Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 In a message dated 11/10/2006 15:49:35 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Well my AM sugar was 350 and I am not feeling a bit better. This stuff takes 4-6 weeks to lower the sugar! I think this doctor is full of crap.. like most. I am considering heading to the ER as I can't afford another office visit now and there I MIGHT just get some treatment to lower this now. Val I was discussing this whole issue with someone an a UK list this morning and he said that he tried home testing for fasting glucose levels, his ranges being anything between 4.9 (the day after eating sugary sweets) to 6.0. But his GP told him that venus blood measures higher than a finger prick test. One day he finger prick tested 6.0 at home, then had a veinous blood done half an hour later and results came back 6.5. It must be anxiety-making waiting for that stuff to work. What about the Metformin as an interim measure? You have some ordered? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 In a message dated 11/10/2006 17:00:52 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: You'd more than likely get 2 different results even checking the same method at 2 different times, even 30 minutes apart, even with no food or drink to influence. Way too many factors can influence this. Hi Linn Would you pse say what factors can influence levels, even 30 minutes apart, without food? I had the finger-prick test done at the local pharmacy a couple of years ago and they said it was high and I should go to the GP for further testing. The nurse then said, at the practice, that lab testing was more accurate and I should not worry about the pin-prick as it could be incorrect. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 In a message dated 11/10/2006 17:03:24 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: am getting really discouraged. I heard that too much cinnamon is not a good thing either. Hang on in there girl, the Metformin will arrive soon and that should help until this other med kicks in. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Well my AM sugar was 350 and I am not feeling a bit better. This stuff takes 4-6 weeks to lower the sugar! I think this doctor is full of crap.. like most. I am considering heading to the ER as I can't afford another office visit now and there I MIGHT just get some treatment to lower this now. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Val, When my daughter's blood sugar gets high we always start flushing everything out with water. It works pretty well at lowering it quickly. You might try drinking a lot of water if don't have any other problems that would prevent that. Sometimes when people are first diagnosed they do get put on insulin (usually long acting, like a basal amount of insulin) temporarily, at least until they can get the blood sugar under control. Your thinking of the ER may be a good route. It's definitely not good for your body for your blood sugar to continue that high on a daily basis. Does it rise when you eat? Have you taken it within a hour after food to see what it goes to? Linn > Well my AM sugar was 350 and I am not feeling a bit better. This stuff > takes 4-6 weeks to lower the sugar! I think this doctor is full of > crap.. like most. I am considering heading to the ER as I can't afford > another office visit now and there I MIGHT just get some treatment to > lower this now. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Yes I have checked it an hour and at two hours after eating.. It is scary then..It has gone to 519 twice then in th 400's after 2 hours. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Val, So the doc's not concerned that your blood sugar might continue to be this high for another 2 - 3 months? That's kinda scary. That just sucks Val. Do you take enzymes or eat any kind of sprouts? That would also help. Have you tried any of the alternative stuff at all, like bitter melon or cinnamon? Not sure of the cost of those but I think they're pretty reasonable. There's several vitamin/supplement combos that are specifically for lowering the blood sugar, most will include chromium. Linn > Yes I have checked it an hour and at two hours after eating.. It is > scary then..It has gone to 519 twice then in th 400's after 2 hours. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Metformin works almost as slow though I do have some ordered. But not here yet. My doctor is supposed to call me today with the results of my blood work from yesterday, so I am waiting to hear back fro him. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 > artisticgroomer@... writes: > > Well my AM sugar was 350 and I am not feeling a bit better. This stuff > takes 4-6 weeks to lower the sugar! I think this doctor is full of > crap.. like most. I am considering heading to the ER as I can't afford > another office visit now and there I MIGHT just get some treatment to > lower this now. > Val, I'm not sure if this helps, but my dh was diagnosed with diabetes in Sep with a blood sugar of 400 about 5 hours after he last ate. His doctor put him on insulin 4 times per day and it still took about 3 weeks to get consistent good numbers. I hope your doctor (or someone) will find out if you are type 1 or 2. Type 1 is autoimmune so all us hypos are more prone to that. Hope this helps, Barbara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 I am eating all the cinnamon I can and garlic too. Any more and i get horrid palps or muscle pain. I am also queasy this morning so this med may not work for me at all. I am getting really discouraged. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Thanks Barbara, I am hoping one of the tests he did yesterday is to determine if I have high or low insulin so I will know. cause if it is low, the med I am taking is not going to work at all. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 That's curious, because the reason they do finger sticks (or toe sticks) is that that's where the smallest capillaries are and the first to show shows of blood sugar highs or lows. Even inpatient hospital testing for blood sugar they will do finger or toe sticks over venipunctures. Last Christmas my daughter was hospitalized for DKA and on an insulin drip which requires very strict glucose monitoring and even then they still used the fingers or toes. It's the most accurate and first to signal changes in the glucose. You'd more than likely get 2 different results even checking the same method at 2 different times, even 30 minutes apart, even with no food or drink to influence. Way too many factors can influence this. Linn > > > In a message dated 11/10/2006 15:49:35 GMT Daylight Time, > artisticgroomer@... writes: > > Well my AM sugar was 350 and I am not feeling a bit better. This stuff > takes 4-6 weeks to lower the sugar! I think this doctor is full of > crap.. like most. I am considering heading to the ER as I can't afford > another office visit now and there I MIGHT just get some treatment to > lower this now. > > Val > I was discussing this whole issue with someone an a UK list this > morning and > he said > that he tried home testing for fasting glucose levels, his ranges > being > anything between 4.9 (the day after eating sugary sweets) to 6.0. > But his GP told > him that venus blood measures higher than a finger prick test. One > day he > finger prick tested 6.0 at home, then had a veinous blood done half > an hour > later and results came back 6.5. > > It must be anxiety-making waiting for that stuff to work. What > about the > Metformin as an interim measure? You have some ordered? > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 In a message dated 11/10/2006 20:58:09 GMT Daylight Time, linnmiller@... writes: So getting it tested occasionally like you did at a pharmacy can alert you to problems earlier on. If your blood sugar goes over 200-250 after meals you have a problem that needs looking into. Well that was my thinking precisely Linn, at the time, and then when I went to the GP and got tested, they said borderline and have been saying so ever since....... There seems to be a difference of opinion between the UK doctors and US ones re which is the more accurate method of testing because this is what they are saying here, well my doctor and this other person I mentioned earlier, which makes a grand total of two! Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Type 1 is an acute onset and will make one violently ill because it results in ketoacidosis setting in rather quickly, you would become quite ill within days or at the most a few weeks. There would be no mistaking that you are quite ill. It is not uncommon for a Type 1 at onset and diagnosis to be admitted to the hospital with blood sugars upwards of 1000. If treatment is not started you will not survive. One could have Type 2 for many years and not even know it. The difference is that in Type 1 the pancreas in no longer capable of producing any insulin. Without insulin you cannot survive very long. In Type 2, the body is still capable of producing insulin, it's either insulin resistance or that the pancreas has been stressed so much due to overproduction of insulin that it is not capable of keeping up anymore and although is still capable of producing insulin, it's not as much as is needed (nutshell description). Type 1 is almost always a juvenile form, onset before the age of 20 and usually before the age of 12. It is possible to develop Type 1 later in life, but it is pretty rare and even then it's younger adults the majority of the time. Although it is common to have more than one autoimmune disease, having another type of autoimmune disease doesn't make you more prone to Type 1 specifically, if you're an adult. That's a misnomer. However if you have Type 1 diabetes, there is a very high rate of certain other autoimmune diseases that correlate, including Hashi's, 's and Celiac disease, (these 3 are the most common) and a few others that aren't as prominent. Linn > > Val, > I'm not sure if this helps, but my dh was diagnosed with diabetes > in Sep > with a blood sugar of 400 about 5 hours after he last ate. His > doctor put > him on insulin 4 times per day and it still took about 3 weeks to get > consistent good numbers. > > I hope your doctor (or someone) will find out if you are type 1 or > 2. Type 1 > is autoimmune so all us hypos are more prone to that. > > Hope this helps, > Barbara > > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Val, Make sure and call your doc if the nausea continues. Linn > I am eating all the cinnamon I can and garlic too. Any more and i get > horrid palps or muscle pain. I am also queasy this morning so this med > may not work for me at all. I am getting really discouraged. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 In a message dated 11/10/2006 21:31:56 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: Well I heard back from the doc agian. My A1c is now at 13.8 so he called in a script for Metformin 1000 MG a day to add to my Actos 30mg a day. So I am hoping this will bring the sugar down a tad quicker. That's brilliant news Val, well done. xx Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Mo, Excitement, stress, exercise, or illness can all have an effect on your blood sugar. So would digestion, so over 30 minutes or an hour digestion alone could affect the number. Even on a fasting blood sugar, the numbers could vary due to stress or excitement alone. You could even take 2 blood sugars close together and more than likely wouldn't get the exact same number each time. I don't think that the assumption that the lab testing is more accurate is correct. Maybe they could mean more thorough in that insulin levels can be measured also. Like I said even hospitals use the finger tip method for measuring blood sugars, even in the ICU. Sometimes when Type 1's are in a crisis, they have to measure the glucose every 5 - 15 minutes, and they do that via the fingers or toes. Also for someone who has Type 2 diabetes, the blood sugar can be reactive to food and drink and be high after eating, but the fasting blood sugar may still be normal. So getting it tested occasionally like you did at a pharmacy can alert you to problems earlier on. If your blood sugar goes over 200-250 after meals you have a problem that needs looking into. Linn > > In a message dated 11/10/2006 17:00:52 GMT Daylight Time, > linnmiller@... writes: > > You'd more than likely get 2 different results even checking the same > method at 2 different times, even 30 minutes apart, even with no food > or drink to influence. Way too many factors can influence this. > > Hi Linn > Would you pse say what factors can influence levels, even 30 > minutes apart, > without food? > I had the finger-prick test done at the local pharmacy a couple of > years ago > and they said it was high and I should go to the GP for further > testing. > The nurse then said, at the practice, that lab testing was more > accurate and > I should not worry about the pin-prick as it could be incorrect. > > Mo > > NOVA Counselling & Healing Services > > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Well I heard back from the doc agian. My A1c is now at 13.8 so he called in a script for Metformin 1000 MG a day to add to my Actos 30mg a day. So I am hoping this will bring the sugar down a tad quicker. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2006 Report Share Posted October 11, 2006 Hi, Val, I haven't posted on this group yet, and haven't posted on the Natural Thyroid Hormone group for a long time. But, I was put on Metformin time released formula because I couldn't take the regular stuff. It made me so nausoeus. I did really well on the time released. Then it came time for a refill. The pills were a different color, but the pharmacist assured me it was metformin. Within a few days I was getting nauseous again. We finally found out that the refill was made by a different company than the first batch I had, so the pharmacist gave me the first brand and I was fine. Now they can't get that first brand I was taking. Apparantly the company sold to someone else and they haven't gone into production yet. So, I can't take any of it and am stuck. We even got the real stuff and not the generic and I got sick on that, too. I'm not familiar with the Acto (is that what you said) but if it kind of does what the metformin does it might be upsetting to your stomach. I hope it does work for you. I'm finding that if I stay on a high protein diet and eat only complex carbs my blood sugar seems better, so I've been trying to do that. But, my numbers weren't as high as yours, so I do hope you can take the medicine. We sure do need you! Best wishes, B wrote: I am eating all the cinnamon I can and garlic too. Any more and i get horrid palps or muscle pain. I am also queasy this morning so this med may not work for me at all. I am getting really discouraged. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Well so far so good, no nausea from the Metformin. Just alot of trotting to the bathroom which I am told is normal and should improve as my body adapts to the med. THIS I can live with. My sugar reading was already a tiny bit better this morning at 292, this is the first time my AM has been under 300 yet! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 In a message dated 12/10/2006 12:00:19 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: bit better this morning at 292, this is the first time my AM has been under 300 yet! Yabba dabba doo! Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Thanks Diane! There have been a slight case of heartburn and a few VERY quick trips to the bathroom but better today than last night so I will get by with it! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Actually I found out by accident. I signed up for a clinical trial of a new drug but before they will let you into the trial they give you ALL kinds of free testing, which was my main reason for doing it. My fasting glucose came back at 353! Now when I went to my doctor Tuesday, he tells me THREE YEARS ago my A1c ( which tells long term glucose levels) was at 6.9.. bet he didn;t even mention it to me as 7.0 is the cut off for them to diagnose Diabetes! N9ow you see why I trust docotrs so much? GGGGRRRRR NOw my A1c is 13.8... SERIOUS Diabetes. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Val, Personally I think sometimes they don't even take the time to actually look at the labs, they just look at a summary report that states " within normal ranges " and don't bother to check what they actually were. This is one of the main reasons it's a great idea to ask for copies of your labs, so you can get a look at the numbers for yourself. From this point on, whether it's a doctor I trust or not, I'm getting copies!! Linn > Yes, I totally why. Infuriating, isn't it? He must be related to > the quack who saw my TSH at 4.9 and declared me normal, despite the > 5.5 cut off range and my plethora of symptoms that SCREAMED hypo. > Not to mention the stupid lab was using outdated ranges, and if it > had had the new 3.5 cut-off, I would have been diagnosed. I wasted > 1.5 years before my TSH got up to 16.9 and I finally got diagnosed. > > I don't get why doctors don't consider clinical trials of > medications with people who are close to the upper limit of the > range and have obvious symptoms. I almost think things were better > before all these lab tests, because at least then doctors listened > to what people were saying. > > > > > > Now when I went to my doctor Tuesday, he tells > > me THREE YEARS ago my A1c ( which tells long term glucose levels) > was at > > 6.9.. bet he didn;t even mention it to me as 7.0 is the cut off > for them > > to diagnose Diabetes! N9ow you see why I trust docotrs so much? > > GGGGRRRRR NOw my A1c is 13.8... SERIOUS Diabetes. > > >> . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 I second that. It’s been my experience as well. I always keep copies. --- Linn wrote: > Val, > > Personally I think sometimes they don't even take > the time to > actually look at the labs, they just look at a > summary report that > states " within normal ranges " and don't bother to > check what they > actually were. This is one of the main reasons it's > a great idea to > ask for copies of your labs, so you can get a look > at the numbers for > yourself. From this point on, whether it's a doctor > I trust or not, > I'm getting copies!! > > Linn > > > > > Yes, I totally why. Infuriating, isn't it? He must > be related to > > the quack who saw my TSH at 4.9 and declared me > normal, despite the > > 5.5 cut off range and my plethora of symptoms that > SCREAMED hypo. > > Not to mention the stupid lab was using outdated > ranges, and if it > > had had the new 3.5 cut-off, I would have been > diagnosed. I wasted > > 1.5 years before my TSH got up to 16.9 and I > finally got diagnosed. > > > > I don't get why doctors don't consider clinical > trials of > > medications with people who are close to the upper > limit of the > > range and have obvious symptoms. I almost think > things were better > > before all these lab tests, because at least then > doctors listened > > to what people were saying. > > > > > > > > > > Now when I went to my doctor Tuesday, he tells > > > me THREE YEARS ago my A1c ( which tells long > term glucose levels) > > was at > > > 6.9.. bet he didn;t even mention it to me as 7.0 > is the cut off > > for them > > > to diagnose Diabetes! N9ow you see why I trust > docotrs so much? > > > GGGGRRRRR NOw my A1c is 13.8... SERIOUS > Diabetes. > > > > >> . > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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