Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Excellent information. This is good post. I wonder if you have any advice for me about nutritional supplements and if you could elaborate a little more about the Omega 3 in relation to the Omega 6 fatty acids you mentioned in an earlier post. Dawn. mary jaye wrote: thanks Lily, I actually took catherines advice and took 2 mgs of seroquil and i just cant believe that, that was what i was withdrawling from. I thought it was the zanax. Now i have hope. Ive printed out everything to show my doctor on monday and i just pray she will work with me. Thanks for your words of wisdom:) maryCVEmery wrote: Jaye, you can do it and you will! I felt the same way when I joined two days ago. Before I joined this group, I had ordered a program called Attacking Anxiety and Depression. There is a 30 day trial offer where you pay for shipping only and if you send it back, they pay for shipping that way and you don't owe a thing. I've started my 30 day trial and it is really going to work for my anxiety!! It's expensive but I know you can get it "secondhand" on eBay too. It's by Lucinda Bassett at Midwest something or other. Of course you'll need more than that while you withdraw but once you do, this program is wonderful at bringing us anxiety ridden folks back to normal.... for a lifetime. Best, Lily Re: Re: hi oh my god people that actually care. I am crying right now. Um...yes my body feels like it's dying.1. i take 1 mg xanax when i wake up. rhis could be any time before 12. Im tring to take 100 mg of seroquil later in the day so i can relax more.2. i have been taking xanax since i was 15, i am now 23. And i started on 500mg of seoquil at the beggining of this year because that was yet another attempt of mine to get of xanax, it led to a mental brakedown to where i couldnt consentrate or sleep, & my thoughts were racing. My doc tells me there is no side effect from coming off seroquil, but i know that's crap!3. I want to stop taking these pills because im tired of having to take these pills. Im not nuts, and I think anxiety can be treated with therapy. It has been a rollercoaster ride with the xanax for as long as i can remember. I can feel my body starting to feel bad in less than a day before it's time for my dose, which means my body wants more. THis drug is taking over my life, but i'm afraid to come off of it now. I don't want to die, because some doctor won't work with me how my body needs it done. i go back to the doc on mon. im going to print all of this and show it to her. She knows i really want to come off of it, but she needs to see what's really going on. Thankyou so much for caring. please write me backccreel_04064 wrote: >> Well i came from 3mg about a month ago. Now I am on 2. I have recently tried the taking 4 halves for 2 weeks and then 3 halves for 2 weeks, and my body couldnt handle it. I felt nuts. i couldnt go outside. No motivation once so ever! I cant have a life. So ive come to the conclusion that maybe i do need it.And there just shouldnt be such a stigma attached to it. I am also taking Seroquil. in about a months time i came off of 500mg down to about 1 a day now. Are there any side effects to coming off of that drug?> ** Yes, Seroquel is a very difficult drug to discontinue. The problems you are having are because you are reducing too quickly. The doctor told you it was slow, but it's not. They don't know what is slow. You were on 3 mg. of Xanax. A month later you were on 2 mg. Does this mean that at some point you dropped one whole milligram or did you do it in phases? Did you drop a half milligram every two weeks? It helps me to know exactly how you did it, but either way, you went too fast. If you dropped even half of a mg. at a time, this would be a reduction of 16.66%. If you dropped by an entire mg., this would be a 33.3% reduction. You did the same with Seroquel. I'm going to assume you mean you are now on 100 mg. but were at 500 mg a month ago. This is an EIGHTY PERCENT reduction in a month! Let me be frank here. You feel like shit because you are going off TWO drugs at once (not advisable unless you're taking 6 or more drugs) and you're going off them much too quickly. We recommend 5%-10% reductions of ONE DRUG AT A TIME. This is what we have found that works. Also, you don't set time frames for reductions. You go by how you feel. Your body is your best guide. When you do an initial reduction of 5 or 10%, you wait until you feel fine again. Then, you do the next reduction, which would be 5-10% of the last dose you took. You also have to decide which dose to take it from . You didn't say how you take it -- how many times a day and at what times of day. I saw another post of yours that stated maybe you really need this. This is exactly what the drug companies want you to believe which is why they tell the doctors reduction schedules that are too fast. Doing what you are doing is causing damage to your system. This needs to change. Now, about Seroquel. Why would you take an antipsychotic? How long have you taken this drug? ly, if I were you, I'd stop taking this one first, then I'd deal with the Xanax. Many people find it much easier to switch to Valium and work at getting off that rather than trying to reduce the Xanax. Being a drug with a short half-life, Xanax is difficult to discontinue. Id this making sense to you? Here's what I need from you if you want help:1) I need to know exactly how and when you take the Xanax and Seroquel. This means dose and time.2) I need to know how long you've been taking Seroquel and Xanax.3) I need to know all the reasons you are discontinuing each. Here's what you need to know in order to get out of this mess.1) You need to begin your normal dose (3 mg) of Xanax again.2) You need to increase the Seroquel, hopefully not to 500 mg. again but it may have to be. Try 300mg. first, and see how that goes. Then try 400 mg. if 300 mg is not helping. If these don't work, go back up to 5mg.3) If you take the suggestion above, then you need to let us know whether there is a good reason to discontinue the Xanax before discontinuing Seroquel. I've spent the time spelling this out for you so you can see we're about action here. Let us know what you want to do.Regards, Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 > > Excellent information. This is good post. I wonder if you have any advice for me about nutritional supplements and if you could elaborate a little more about the Omega 3 in relation to the Omega 6 fatty acids you mentioned in an earlier post.>> Dear Dawn, There is a post in the FILES section titled " Basic Healing Protocol " . It contains genewral recommendations. For protocols more tailored to the individual private consultations are offered. The info is also in the FILES and titled " 's Consultation Info " . http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/ You may also want to look at the folder titled NUTRITION. As far as the omega 6/3 info, the human body requires a ratio of at the least 4:1 omega-6 (n-6) to omega-3 (n-3) fatty acids. It is even better to be 2:1 or 1:1. The average person today eats a diet of 22:1 or as much as 32:1 n-6 to n-3. This has serious negative consequences on one's health. In our FILES there are also articles on fish oil. <http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Withdrawal_and_Recovery/files/Su pplements/> What I wanted people to take from the post I mentioned was how to slowly reduce a psychotropic drug. The things being taken by anyone else here does not necessarily mean that others should be following this protocol. Biochemical individuality is real and plays a huge role in how one metabolizes nutrients from foods, toxins from foods, supplements and herbs, and, of course, drugs. Regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 > > What is seroquel? An anti depressant or benzo or somthing else? ** Here's what I tell everyone who asks similar questions. Please go to www.google.com and put the search term Seroquel in the box. Click SEARCH. Because we have a high volume of messages on this list, I ask that questions where there is an obvious definitive answer most likely easily found, be taken care of yourself and not posted to the list. Thanks! Regards, Fishing Instructor Extraordinaire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 Hi Kim, You are absolutely right. There is no help for getting off meds in the recognized medical system. The good news is we do not need their help. We can take back control over our bodies, minds, and health. The instructions for tapering off meds are simple. They do not require medical assistance. The guideline is to make cuts of no more than 5-10% and wait until you are stable before making another cut. I am so glad to hear you are going to start tapering slowly! It took me a while to realize I had to settle in for the long haul. I've been tapering since May and have about 3.5 more months to go. You can do this! Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 " Fishing Instructor Extraordinaire " A new talent ?? xx > >Reply-To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery >To: Withdrawal_and_Recovery >Subject: Re: hi >Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:11:01 -0000 > > > > > > What is seroquel? An anti depressant or benzo or somthing else? > > > ** Here's what I tell everyone who asks similar questions. >Please go to www.google.com and put the search term Seroquel in the >box. Click SEARCH. > > > Because we have a high volume of messages on this list, I ask that >questions where there is an obvious definitive answer most likely >easily found, be taken care of yourself and not posted to the list. > > > Thanks! > >Regards, > >Fishing Instructor Extraordinaire > > > > > > >To subscribe to our off-topic Social list go to: > >http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ > >To subscribe to our Truth-in-Health list go to: > >http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/truth-in-health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2005 Report Share Posted November 20, 2005 << " Fishing Instructor Extraordinaire " A new talent ?? xx>> " Give a man a fish, and he eats for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he eats for a lifetime. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 DEar Jem, Whewn yousay " gradually " what exactly do you mean? Over what period of time did you do this? Regards, > hi, > i am new to this group and have been off lexapro for about a week, i was originally on 20 mg then reduced gradually to 5 then nothing. my experience with antidepressants is that after going off of them at aroud the 6 month point i start to feel depressed again but i always stopped abruptly. while i am on antidepressants i tend to feel numb and unmotivated though, so i don't see it as the answer for me. my question right now is that for the past 3 years i have been taking benadryl 50 mg every night to sleep. i have recently reduced that to 25 mg but would like to stop completely. when i try to sleep without it i'm up all night long, any suggestions? > jem > > > > > > To subscribe to our off-topic Social list go to: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/ > > To subscribe to our Truth-in-Health list go to: > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/truth-in-health > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 Heya Just out of curiosity what country do you live in? I know if I were to work (over a certain amount) I'd loose my (we call it) pension. > > i have been reading your group for almost 2 months now and have > finally worked up the courage to say hello and tell a little about > myself. my name is natalie i am 27. i was diagnosed with asd at 21. it > is really nice to know that there are others out there like me who > were not diagnosed untill later in there lives, it makes me feel not > so alone. my mom took me to a symposium on autism earlier this month > and it was great. i learned alot, like i had no clue that i could work > and not loose my benifits. i'm really exited about that because now i > can help with some of my extra expenses. was recently diagnosed with > fibromyalgia on top of several other problems i already had, kinda > curious if others of you suffer from afflictions on top of your > autisum. i hope i am not being confusing. this is a great site. > natalie whitt > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 what is asd that is not a dignoses.there is autism,asperger's syndrome.pdd-nos.rett's,cdd.witch one do you have autism is known be 3-5 years of age.asperger's IQ over 90 under 90 pdd-nos,rett's is for girls only most with IQ of 0-35,and cdd boy's starting at 5years old and by 10 cant talk and do the same things like children and adults with autism do.thomas Re: hi Heya Just out of curiosity what country do you live in? I know if I were to work (over a certain amount) I'd loose my (we call it) pension. > > i have been reading your group for almost 2 months now and have > finally worked up the courage to say hello and tell a little about > myself. my name is natalie i am 27. i was diagnosed with asd at 21. it > is really nice to know that there are others out there like me who > were not diagnosed untill later in there lives, it makes me feel not > so alone. my mom took me to a symposium on autism earlier this month > and it was great. i learned alot, like i had no clue that i could work > and not loose my benifits. i'm really exited about that because now i > can help with some of my extra expenses. was recently diagnosed with > fibromyalgia on top of several other problems i already had, kinda > curious if others of you suffer from afflictions on top of your > autisum. i hope i am not being confusing. this is a great site. > natalie whitt > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 I know that but this is not a diagnoses.asd is the spectrum i was asking the person that said thy had a disorder and what was it thy wrote asd and that cant be a diagnoses.there are five.autism.asperger's.pdd-nos.rett's.cdd................... Re: hi > > Heya > > Just out of curiosity what country do you live in? I know if I were to > work > (over a certain amount) I'd loose my (we call it) pension. > > > > > > i have been reading your group for almost 2 months now and have > > finally worked up the courage to say hello and tell a little about > > myself. my name is natalie i am 27. i was diagnosed with asd at 21. it > > is really nice to know that there are others out there like me who > > were not diagnosed untill later in there lives, it makes me feel not > > so alone. my mom took me to a symposium on autism earlier this month > > and it was great. i learned alot, like i had no clue that i could work > > and not loose my benifits. i'm really exited about that because now i > > can help with some of my extra expenses. was recently diagnosed with > > fibromyalgia on top of several other problems i already had, kinda > > curious if others of you suffer from afflictions on top of your > > autisum. i hope i am not being confusing. this is a great site. > > natalie whitt > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how i know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos 70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now way to have two at the same time if your IQ is 57 and you have autism you cant have asperger's at the same time thanks ......... Re: hi Marilyn wrote: >what is asd that is not a dignoses.there is autism,asperger's >syndrome.pdd-nos.rett's,cdd.witch one do you have .... Right now? Or last week? Or 15 years ago? People grow and change. People change with stress and with relief from stress. There are innumerable examples of people who " fit " the criteria for all of those ASD diagnostic labels (autism, asperger's, pdd-nos) at different stages of their lives. Some of us fit different criteria from one day (or week, month, year) to another. And some fit part of the criteria from each category all at once. As someone posted recently, until there is a genetic or biological test, it's all anecdotal. Firm divisions between the diagnoses are an illusion that can be sustained only by ignoring reality. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 wrote: >there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how >i know what i have. Can you direct me to further information about that genetic testing for autism diagnosis? >natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd >that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have >autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it >just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos >70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now way >to have two at the same time Those categories were *made up* (invented) in an attempt to express observed reality. Those categories are not themselves reality. In so far as the categories fail to reflect the full complexity of reality, they are wrong and misleading. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 The first mistake anyone can make is to place faith in so-called IQ tests. For one thing, these tests are designed with the NT brain in mind. The autistic mind is far from fully understood. And autism is autism no matter it's place on the spectrum, i.e, Aspergers IS a type of autism. a > there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how i > know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd > that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have > autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it > just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos 70-90IQ..asperger's > 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now way to have two at the > same time if your IQ is 57 and you have autism you cant have > asperger's at the same time thanks ......... > > Re: hi > > Marilyn wrote: > >what is asd that is not a dignoses.there is autism,asperger's > >syndrome.pdd-nos.rett's,cdd.witch one do you have .... > > Right now? Or last week? Or 15 years ago? > > People grow and change. People change with stress and with relief > from stress. There are innumerable examples of people who " fit " the > criteria for all of those ASD diagnostic labels (autism, asperger's, > pdd-nos) at different stages of their lives. Some of us fit different > criteria from one day (or week, month, year) to another. And some fit > part of the criteria from each category all at once. > > As someone posted recently, until there is a genetic or biological > test, it's all anecdotal. Firm divisions between the diagnoses are an > illusion that can be sustained only by ignoring reality. > > Jane > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 , > natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd that > is impossible you cant have all five just one. It is true that you can't have all five but could it be possible that for a reason, her doctor diagnosed her with ASD because it: 1-: can be hard to pin down the right categories especially when such categories can evolve over time (case in point, i have 3 diagnoses, all of them are different, Lunatic at 5 1/2 years old, Asperger at 19 years old and Autism at 28 years old, but the " symptoms " are the same) 2-: some doctor don't believe in categorizing (see my previous point about my diagnoses). 3-: the diagnostic manuals may be different (DSM-IV in the states, something else i can't recall for europe and doctors are pretty much free to choose which one they use). > you cant have autism > and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it just > doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos 70-90IQ..asperger's > 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now way to have two at the > same time if your IQ is 57 and you have autism you cant have > asperger's at the same time thanks ......... IQ is just one of the way to categorize diagnostic and it relevance is questioned because my doctor published a study in which the result of the Raven's Progressive Matrices results might not correlate with the one of Wechsler Scale or the PPVT (these are 3 way of measuring the IQ); The result was because one of his non-verbal (and thus " low-functioning " ) patient tested very low on the Wechsler Scale yet he tested near ceiling in the Raven's Progressive Matrices, it must also be said that both tests measure the Central Coherence of the mind and for neurotypical people who get tested, they get around the same IQ but it's not the case among autistics people and it's further obvious in the case of the non-verbal person. At the moment, I guess my doctor is hard at work studying this phenomenon and it's been a long time I've talked to him but as soon as he come out with a solid theory, I'll post back about it. Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2006 Report Share Posted May 29, 2006 i went and had genetic testing done her in town where i live.at all the clinics,like mayo.children hospitals.ucla.standford.usfs.boston.you need to go and have your doctor or you can look in there book of doctors that thy refer people to. thy found out that i had klinefelters syndrome,facioscapularhemural muscular dystrophy.and pdd-nos.thy look at your genetic profile to see what missing.in my case my IQ is 83 my verbal IQ is lower then my performance IQ there for i can not have asperger's.i had speech as a child.but i can not learn from books only hands on,i pace,rock.and flap my hand in my face.but because i had speech as a child i can have autism.rett's no i am a man so that wont work CDD never lost speech so the only thing left was pdd-nos witch is known as atypical autism and thy say in the dsm-5 it should change and thy will make pdd-nos a sud thrush hole for diagnosing asd like autism,asperger's.atypical autism.rett's,CDD P,S my spelling is only 57% of 0-210 and the way i think and talk is hard for people to understand what i am talking about thanks thomas-g........................and in california you must have autism only with an iQ under 70 to any services here asperger's,pdd-nos will not work thy send you to mental health only and thats a joke...................................... Re: hi wrote: >there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how >i know what i have. Can you direct me to further information about that genetic testing for autism diagnosis? >natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd >that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have >autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it >just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos >70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now way >to have two at the same time Those categories were *made up* (invented) in an attempt to express observed reality. Those categories are not themselves reality. In so far as the categories fail to reflect the full complexity of reality, they are wrong and misleading. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 > I know that but this is not a diagnoses.asd is the spectrum i was > asking the person that said thy had a disorder and what was it thy > wrote asd and that cant be a diagnoses.there are > five.autism.asperger's.pdd-nos.rett's.cdd................... That's if you go by the DSM. Some countries don't, and some doctors don't. In some countries, " ASD " *is* the diagnosis that people are given, because in some countries the differentiation of the " spectrum " is not accepted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 > there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how > i know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd > that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have > autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it > just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos > 70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now > way to have two at the same time if your IQ is 57 and you have > autism you cant have asperger's at the same time thanks Some people with Rett's have higher IQ scores than that, I suspect CDD as well. PDD-NOS has no IQ limit at all, it can be used in people with very low tested IQs (who may not be capable, for the same reason that they are not capable of doing well on IQ tests, of doing all the things necessary to even *get* an autism diagnosis, so they get " PDD-NOS " meaning " with autistic traits " ), it can also be used in people with very high tested IQs if for instance they would meet the Asperger criteria other than the fact that they had a speech delay as a child, etc. It's a versatile " catch-all " category. And people can be diagnosed with Asperger with any IQ over 70 as far as I know. Not that I believe in these strict divisions, or in IQ scores, but this is the way it is officially done in places that believe in these divisions, and the numbers are different from what you described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 > and in california you must have autism only with an iQ under 70 to > any services here asperger's,pdd-nos will not work thy send you to > mental health only and thats a > joke...................................... That depends on where in California. I had an autism diagnosis. They never asked my IQ, and I got in. But it is generally difficult even for people with IQ under 70 to get in, if they don't have all the right paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 tony attwood is the leader on asperger's IQ 90 + verbal must be higher then preformace IQ if the preformaceIQ is higher then verbal you cant have asperger's thats the rule for testing.in california if you have a autism diagnosis then you get services if you have asperger's or pdd-nos you only get ssi/ssa and mental health.the department of rehab will not touch you only if you have dds and reginoal services.I have had pdd-nos my whole life and i only get ihss,ssi.ssa.mental health,but it's not a mental disorder and thy do nothing for you.i have a person on my baseball team that is mild retarded and mom say's he has asperger's that is impossible and he doesn't talk he should have the autism diagnosis not asperger's.i just went to a semiar this year called autism,asperger's is the same thing autism is little to no verbal till 5 years of age and asperger's verbal at all times and still have the same problem like autism.thy where teaching how to get services in california but you need 20-30 thousand dollers i do not have for attorney fee's so i anm try to get my genetics test to prove that i am in the right path of diagnosis.just like my spelling is 57% my math is 76% reading is 74%wrighting is 75% and thy say my IQ is 83 thats what i do not under stand.57/76/74/75.and come up with 83.there one more test thy are going to do fragile x syndrome in july thy said i could have that and not have mental retaration so i will have to wait.thanks remember my spelling is mad so forgive me thomas........p.s I was never in regular classes in school i have learned on my own and on the net.reading e-mail has made my reading better but i stll have a spelling problem thomas pdd-nos,klinefelters syndrome facioscapullohumeral muscular dsytrophy.a.k.a jerry's kid but i like jerry's son better take care thomas............ Re: hi > there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how > i know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd > that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have > autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it > just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos > 70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now > way to have two at the same time if your IQ is 57 and you have > autism you cant have asperger's at the same time thanks Some people with Rett's have higher IQ scores than that, I suspect CDD as well. PDD-NOS has no IQ limit at all, it can be used in people with very low tested IQs (who may not be capable, for the same reason that they are not capable of doing well on IQ tests, of doing all the things necessary to even *get* an autism diagnosis, so they get " PDD-NOS " meaning " with autistic traits " ), it can also be used in people with very high tested IQs if for instance they would meet the Asperger criteria other than the fact that they had a speech delay as a child, etc. It's a versatile " catch-all " category. And people can be diagnosed with Asperger with any IQ over 70 as far as I know. Not that I believe in these strict divisions, or in IQ scores, but this is the way it is officially done in places that believe in these divisions, and the numbers are different from what you described. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 I don't know if the criteria described below are followed by all doctors. Plus some of the items listed can be contradictory--for example, by the criteria listed in the post below I should have an autism Dx because my PIQ is 50 points higher than my VIQ, but I spoke in full sentences abruptly at around the age of one, so I should have an AS Dx. I've gotten the impression--and I could be totally wrong-- that different people have different ways they decide to classify based on their own personal ideas and there have been no globally agreed upon criteria for classification. I think about this a bit because I'm often confused by my own Dx in terms of both the DSM and in terms of the sort of " extra " criteria that people use to classify by (e.g. IQ). My doctor gave me an AS Dx because I spoke early (I was never asked however _what_ I spoke about, or _how_ I spoke), although I fit the strict DSM criteria for autism (as far as I can tell, the lack of any early speech is not a trumping criteria for the whole Dx, and I've other items in that number 2. list). I suspect that depending on who inspected me, I'd be classed differently depending on the person's individual pet criteria. The whole classification criteria thing makes me weary, so I've been somewhat ignoring it recently and using " autistic " and " ASD. " I love classification systems--classification systems are one of my life- long perservations. However, in order for a classification system to be useful, it needs to have some self consistency and a rule structure that is agreed upon by everyone using the system. Otherwise the classification system does not have meaning, creates a mess of contradictions, and tends to annoy me on a weird, deep, emotional level :-/ In Oregon, I can get all services, including voc. rehab. (not sure if that's what's meant by " department of rehab? " ) with the AS Dx except for an assistant--the county where I live only gives assistants to people with an IQ less than 70. So I have to pay for my assistant myself, which is OK, for now anyway. -Dora > tony attwood is the leader on asperger's IQ 90 + verbal must be > higher then preformace IQ if the preformaceIQ is higher then verbal > you cant have asperger's thats the rule for testing.in california > if you have a autism diagnosis then you get services if you have > asperger's or pdd-nos you only get ssi/ssa and mental health.the > department of rehab will not touch you only if you have dds and > reginoal services.I have had pdd-nos my whole life and i only get > ihss,ssi.ssa.mental health,but it's not a mental disorder and thy > do nothing for you.i have a person on my baseball team that is mild > retarded and mom say's he has asperger's that is impossible and he > doesn't talk he should have the autism diagnosis not asperger's.i > just went to a semiar this year called autism,asperger's is the > same thing autism is little to no verbal till 5 years of age and > asperger's verbal at all times and still have the same problem like > autism.thy where teaching how to get services in california but > you need 20-30 thousand dollers i do not have for attorney fee's so > i anm try to get my genetics test to prove that i am in the right > path of diagnosis.just like my spelling is 57% my math is 76% > reading is 74%wrighting is 75% and thy say my IQ is 83 thats what i > do not under stand.57/76/74/75.and come up with 83.there one more > test thy are going to do fragile x syndrome in july thy said i > could have that and not have mental retaration so i will have to > wait.thanks remember my spelling is mad so forgive me > thomas........p.s I was never in regular classes in school i have > learned on my own and on the net.reading e-mail has made my reading > better but i stll have a spelling problem thomas pdd- > nos,klinefelters syndrome facioscapullohumeral muscular > dsytrophy.a.k.a jerry's kid > but i like jerry's son better take care thomas............ > > Re: hi > > > > > there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how > > i know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd > > that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have > > autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it > > just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos > > 70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now > > way to have two at the same time if your IQ is 57 and you have > > autism you cant have asperger's at the same time thanks > > Some people with Rett's have higher IQ scores than that, I suspect CDD > as well. > > PDD-NOS has no IQ limit at all, it can be used in people with very low > tested IQs (who may not be capable, for the same reason that they are > not capable of doing well on IQ tests, of doing all the things > necessary to even *get* an autism diagnosis, so they get " PDD-NOS " > meaning " with autistic traits " ), it can also be used in people with > very high tested IQs if for instance they would meet the Asperger > criteria other than the fact that they had a speech delay as a child, > etc. It's a versatile " catch-all " category. > > And people can be diagnosed with Asperger with any IQ over 70 as far > as I know. > > Not that I believe in these strict divisions, or in IQ scores, but > this is the way it is officially done in places that believe in these > divisions, and the numbers are different from what you described. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2006 Report Share Posted May 30, 2006 i have pdd-nos a.k.a atypical autism thy are dumping pdd-nos to use it for a diagnosis tool in the dsm-5 i tell people i am high functioning autism hfa and thy get that.if i said i Had asd then thy will ask witch one of the five.look up tony attwood on oasis there is a section on diagnosing asperger's.it say's verbal must be higher the proformace.i was tested at the m.i.n.d center at uc thy are the top testing for autism in California.thy said my proformance was higher then my verbal so i was strip of the asperger's diagnosis and given pdd-nos Re: hi > > > > > there is genetic testing out there that's what i did and that's how > > i know what i have. natalie whitt said she was diagnosed with asd > > that is impossible you cant have all five just one.you cant have > > autism and asperger's and you cant have rett's and cdd together it > > just doesn't work that way.autism 0-210IQ..pdd-nos > > 70-90IQ..asperger's 90-210 IQ rett's 0-35IQ cdd 0-70IQ there now > > way to have two at the same time if your IQ is 57 and you have > > autism you cant have asperger's at the same time thanks > > Some people with Rett's have higher IQ scores than that, I suspect CDD > as well. > > PDD-NOS has no IQ limit at all, it can be used in people with very low > tested IQs (who may not be capable, for the same reason that they are > not capable of doing well on IQ tests, of doing all the things > necessary to even *get* an autism diagnosis, so they get " PDD-NOS " > meaning " with autistic traits " ), it can also be used in people with > very high tested IQs if for instance they would meet the Asperger > criteria other than the fact that they had a speech delay as a child, > etc. It's a versatile " catch-all " category. > > And people can be diagnosed with Asperger with any IQ over 70 as far > as I know. > > Not that I believe in these strict divisions, or in IQ scores, but > this is the way it is officially done in places that believe in these > divisions, and the numbers are different from what you described. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 > Hi Kassiane, and welcome. I like to watch other people spin, can't do > it myself since it makes me dizzy! I hope you enjoy the list. > Rhonda Welcome Kassiane...I didn't get the first e-mail in this thread, I'm curious about Rhonda's reference to spinning. I love to spin, always have. I still have fairly good balance afterwards. Wish I could say the same when I get up from sitting on the floor or from a lying position... a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Isn't Kassiane on this list already? And didn't start this topic? > > > > > > Hi Kassiane, and welcome. I like to watch other people spin, can't do > > it myself since it makes me dizzy! I hope you enjoy the list. > > Rhonda > > Welcome Kassiane...I didn't get the first e-mail in this thread, I'm > curious about Rhonda's reference to spinning. I love to spin, always > have. I still have fairly good balance afterwards. Wish I could say > the same when I get up from sitting on the floor or from a lying > position... > > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 25, 2007 Report Share Posted July 25, 2007 Thanks , I did start this topic, but Kassiane had begun an earlier topic of the same name when she joined, and by my being new, I did not know. (By the way, Hi Kassiane) De Carlo wrote: Isn't Kassiane on this list already? And didn't start this topic? > > > > > > Hi Kassiane, and welcome. I like to watch other people spin, can't do > > it myself since it makes me dizzy! I hope you enjoy the list. > > Rhonda > > Welcome Kassiane...I didn't get the first e-mail in this thread, I'm > curious about Rhonda's reference to spinning. I love to spin, always > have. I still have fairly good balance afterwards. Wish I could say > the same when I get up from sitting on the floor or from a lying > position... > > a > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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