Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 I feel that my bowels may be emptying to quickly to give the bulk necessary to push out the stones. Perhaps I should do only one epsom drink at 8 p.m.? Suzanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 I'm new here, so I'm sure there are others who know FAR more than I do. But I will offer my thoughts anyway, if you're interested. I hear what you're saying, but isn't it the action of the gallbladder itself that pushes out the stones? Then they go into the digestive system and get eliminated through the bowels. So it would seem to me that the important thing is how the bowels move after the flush is completed, right? Feel free to correct me if I'm not understanding this right. --- suzanne_on_ca@... wrote: > I feel that my bowels may be emptying to quickly to > give the bulk > necessary to push out the stones. > Perhaps I should do only one epsom drink at 8 p.m.? > Suzanne > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2001 Report Share Posted November 18, 2001 << Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones. " ********************************** Hello, I think the cleanse can be modified, myself. I modify mine. I do have my lemmon or lime water in the morning first thing. In that way, I follow Dr. Cabot. But this is something that I do every morning since I started Dr. Cabot's healthy liver-cleansing diet. Then I have my water, and lots of it, followed by a steamed potato about 1:00. At 2:00, I stop drinking my water and then somewhat follow Dr. 's method with the ES at 6:00 and 8:00. But where I differ, I add more water to my ES and when I mix up my olive oil/grapefruit juice, I usually add 1/4 cup of organic apple juice. I then try to take this dose at least twice at 20 minutes apart. I've never had any problems passing tons of stuff, but I'm very well cleaned out even a couple of days before my cleanse. The pre-cleanse is just as important as the cleanse, and most every method will tell you this. Some pre-cleanses even recommend an enema during the week at least a couple of days before the cleanse. Keep in mind, there are several cleanses with variations, and they work well. The ES, which is magnesium sulphate, it relaxes your bile ducts. But you can also apply heat, which opens up the bile ducts, too. I usually do both. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 " The Cure for all Diseases " : Copyright 1995 by Hulda Regehr , Ph.D., N.D. All rights reserved. Here is a quote from the above book (which I'm sure that many of you are familiar with)....... " Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones. " I felt, especially on my last cleanse that not too many stones came out because the " bulk " all exited my body before I went to bed. That left nothing to form bile. Do you have any more clarifications on this? I hope that I am explaining this properly - or is it normal for bowels to do what mine do on a cleanse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Hi, As I understand things, the liver always produces bile(and gallstones). The gallbladder stores bile and therefore it has a ready supply, should the body need it. The no-fat breakfast and lunch on the day of the cleanse, causes the bile to back up in the liver, because none is needed unless you have eaten fat( although I've read bile helps digest protein as well). Therefore, almost 24 hours has passed before you drink the olive-oil/grapefruit. The olive oil stimulates the body to secrete bile to digest it, and as a result of pressure due to the bile backup, more stones are passed than would be normally. I'm not sure I understand what you meant when you said, " the " bulk " all exited my body before I went to bed. " If you're meaning that you have bowel movements before going to bed, it could be that you are extra sensitive to the epsom salts. Epsom salts are a laxative, and could start the bowels to move before taking the olive oil, but I don't think epsom salts would effect bile secretion or the amount of stones passed. I'm just guessing though.... Adrienne --- suzanne_on_ca@... wrote: > " The Cure for all Diseases " : Copyright 1995 by Hulda Regehr , > Ph.D., N.D. All rights reserved. > > Here is a quote from the above book (which I'm sure that many of you > are familiar with)....... > > " Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, > fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked > potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to > build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes > out more stones. " > > I felt, especially on my last cleanse that not too many stones came > out because the " bulk " all exited my body before I went to bed. That > > left nothing to form bile. Do you have any more clarifications on > this? > > I hope that I am explaining this properly - or is it normal for > bowels to do what mine do on a cleanse? > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 << I feel that my bowels may be emptying to quickly to give the bulk necessary to push out the stones. Perhaps I should do only one epsom drink at 8 p.m.? >> ************************ all I can say is that you can try it. If it was me, I do both doses. You want water BMs before you drink you mixture. As I stated before, you want to be flowing. Also, it's the oil that pushes out the stones! Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 I hear what you're saying, but isn't it the action of the gallbladder itself that pushes out the stones? Then they go into the digestive system and get eliminated through the bowels. So it would seem to me that the important thing is how the bowels move after the flush is completed, right? >> ************************ You're right, . The oil helps start the GB to pushing. Now, earlier in the day, the potato or whatever veggie starts pressure to building up in the liver. But the oil makes the GB start working, pushing. Being cleaned out helps the nausea, too, which many people get. The only time that I've hd nausea was this last time. I think it's because I didn't have my quart of organic apple juice every day before the cleanse for 5 days. That apple juice breaks stuff up more. Dr. Cabot says it dissolves many stones. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 The no-fat breakfast and lunch on the day of the cleanse, causes the bile to back up in the liver, because none is needed unless you have eaten fat( although I've read bile helps digest protein as well). Therefore, almost 24 hours has passed before you drink the olive-oil/grapefruit. The olive oil stimulates the body to secrete bile to digest it, and as a result of pressure due to the bile backup, >> ******************************** Hello, You explained it very well, a whole lot better than I could. Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Hello, everyone, My early morning posts may have been repeats. I checked my e-mail this morning and didn't realize that it was my old e-mails. I just want to apologize if I did repeated posts. I.e., I wasn't really awake good when I wrote my posts. I goofed! Susie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 Hi Adrienne, Yes, I believe you have understood what I'm trying to say - I have had to use a bowel cleanser called " Go Lightly " prior to surgery. It really cleans out your bowels - you are very light after that! The Epsom Salts seem to have the same effect on me - my bowels are very sensitive. Is it good to have such a cleanout just before the oil/juice drink at night? Thanks again for all of your ideas. Suzanne P.S. I'm just in the process of doing a week of the Gold Coin Grass treatment before I do my next cleanse. _______________________________________________________ Build your own website in minutes and for free at http://ca.geocities.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2001 Report Share Posted November 19, 2001 11/19/01 8:32:27 AM, Tishri7@... commented on someone's thoughts that: > The no-fat breakfast and lunch on the day of the > cleanse, causes the bile to back up in the liver, because none is > needed unless you have eaten fat( although I've read bile helps digest > protein as well). That's one view. There is another---namely that bile is waste removed from the blood by the liver and that the gallbladder stores it up for explusion into the next mass of food going by. This waste, bile, is then excreted out of the body along with the feces that passed by. It's sort of like " Honey, if you're going to the curb please take out the trash from under the kitchen sink. " I can tell you that when you are butchering animals, any spilled bile from a carelessly nicked gallbladder makes the flesh absolutely inedible. In other words, bile, at least in this case, doesn't digest anything but it sure makes the meat toxic. Regards, Rex Harrill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Hi again, I'm not positive, but I don't think the early bowel movements effect things one way or the other. The important thing is that the epsom dialates the bile ducts so that the stones pass painlessly. Adrienne ;-) --- Suzanne Gilmore <suzanne_on_ca@...> wrote: > Hi Adrienne, > > Yes, I believe you have understood what I'm trying to > say - I have had to use a bowel cleanser called " Go > Lightly " prior to surgery. It really cleans out your > bowels - you are very light after that! > > The Epsom Salts seem to have the same effect on me - > my bowels are very sensitive. Is it good to have such > a cleanout just before the oil/juice drink at night? > > Thanks again for all of your ideas. > > Suzanne > > P.S. I'm just in the process of doing a week of the > Gold Coin Grass treatment before I do my next cleanse. > > _______________________________________________________ > Build your own website in minutes and for free at > http://ca.geocities.com > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Thanks, I'd never heard that before. I'm always amazed at the complexity of our bodies, and how much our " scientific " community (and we too) still has to learn. --- " R. Harrill " <brixman@...> wrote: > 11/19/01 8:32:27 AM, Tishri7@... commented on someone's > thoughts that: > > > The no-fat breakfast and lunch on the day of the > > cleanse, causes the bile to back up in the liver, because none is > > needed unless you have eaten fat( although I've read bile helps > digest > > protein as well). > > That's one view. There is another---namely that bile is waste > removed > from the blood by the liver and that the gallbladder stores it up for > explusion > into the next mass of food going by. This waste, bile, is then > excreted out of > the body along with the feces that passed by. It's sort of like > " Honey, if > you're going to the curb please take out the trash from under the > kitchen > sink. " > > I can tell you that when you are butchering animals, any spilled bile > from a > carelessly nicked gallbladder makes the flesh absolutely inedible. > In other > words, bile, at least in this case, doesn't digest anything but it > sure makes > the meat toxic. > > Regards, > Rex Harrill > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Ira wrote: > You are treating liver cleansing as though it were a religion that must not > be questioned. I fear that this approach is what turns off the > skeptics. If we have a system that works, we must try to understand how it > > works and not take it on blind faith. Especially when one of the > approaches does away with Epsom salts entirely and apparently has no > negative effects as a result. I can see how you would read it that way, but let me clarify that this was not my thought process at all. I have questioned everything every step of the way - trust me! What I was trying to say was that I was looking for an answer from the allopathic medical establishment and they are not the ones who generally even acknowledge the flush, so it's unrealistic to expect to find an explanation of the role of Epsom Salts from a non-cleanse source. My personal choice was that I don't really need an explanation of HOW the Epsom Salts dilate the bile ducts. After all, I don't have an explanation of how drinking a lot of apple juice works as a laxative, and yet I use it. I don't know how the pectin in the apples allegedly breaks down or softens the gallstones, and yet I use it. Would I like to read an explanation of the claim that Epsom Salts dilate the bile ducts? Sure - that would be interesting and it would probably make me lean more toward using them again. Do I take it on blind faith? Nope. What I do take on blind faith is the success that others say they have had with using them. Does that alone convince me to include them? Not really - since I've had success without them. Do I respect their choice to use them? Absolutely! So no, Ira, I definitely don't treat this cleanse as a religion that is not to be questioned. In fact, I don't consider religion as something that is not to be questioned! But that's a topic for another place and time. I'm glad you're also interested in an answer to the question. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one who was curious about it. It will be interesting to see if anyone has any information to post about it. As for me....I will continue with my current plans for preparation for my next cleanse which will be this Friday. Thanks for listening, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 wrote in Digest Number 936: >Now, though, I'm thinking about this idea of the ES opening up the bile ducts >and allowing for more stones to pass through. I guess that's something I >should consider. What I would like to know is if anyone has a reference of >any kind to any source OTHER than cleansing sites that might support the >theory of Epsom Salts relaxing the bile ducts. This is an excellent idea. Especially considering that some people refrain from using Epsom salts and have good results anyway. And considering that ingesting Epsom salts is a very unpleasant experience. Perhaps their only function is indeed laxative, and in that case they could be replaced by a less distasteful laxative. I'd be very interested in learning what the basis is for that claim that Epsom Salts open up the bile ducts. And so I was disappointed by 's next decision: >Never mind about the Epsom Salts question. Chances are that if I did come >across a site with an explanation of how the magnesium sulfate dilates the >bile ducts I probably wouldn't understand it any more than I do now anyway! > >So I will just believe that it does and leave it at that. Sometimes I just >investigate things TOO far and it isn't always necessary. :) You are treating liver cleansing as though it were a religion that must not be questioned. I fear that this approach is what turns off the skeptics. If we have a system that works, we must try to understand how it works and not take it on blind faith. Especially when one of the approaches does away with Epsom salts entirely and apparently has no negative effects as a result. I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Hi Ira and everyone, I asked my husband (a chiropractor) how the epsom salt works. He said it probably had to do with the Sodium-Potassium Pump action of the body's cells. He said to start there. I did a search and here is one of the links I found: http://www.nd.edu/~aseriann/nak.html I don't understand what's written there, but maybe some of you will. Adrienne --- " Ira L. son " <laser@...> wrote: > wrote in Digest Number 936: > > >Now, though, I'm thinking about this idea of the ES opening up the > bile ducts > >and allowing for more stones to pass through. I guess that's > something I > >should consider. What I would like to know is if anyone has a > reference of > >any kind to any source OTHER than cleansing sites that might support > the > >theory of Epsom Salts relaxing the bile ducts. > > This is an excellent idea. Especially considering that some people > refrain > from using Epsom salts and have good results anyway. And considering > that > ingesting Epsom salts is a very unpleasant experience. Perhaps their > only > function is indeed laxative, and in that case they could be replaced > by a > less distasteful laxative. > > I'd be very interested in learning what the basis is for that claim > that > Epsom Salts open up the bile ducts. > > And so I was disappointed by 's next decision: > > >Never mind about the Epsom Salts question. Chances are that if I > did come > >across a site with an explanation of how the magnesium sulfate > dilates the > >bile ducts I probably wouldn't understand it any more than I do now > anyway! > > > >So I will just believe that it does and leave it at that. Sometimes > I just > >investigate things TOO far and it isn't always necessary. :) > > You are treating liver cleansing as though it were a religion that > must not > be questioned. I fear that this approach is what turns off the > skeptics. If we have a system that works, we must try to understand > how it > works and not take it on blind faith. Especially when one of the > approaches does away with Epsom salts entirely and apparently has no > negative effects as a result. > > I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the > claim > that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? > > > ----------------------- > IRA L. JACOBSON > ----------------------- > mailto:laser@... > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Ira asks: I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? responds: > Ira, the evidence is in the collander! of DH > Then what about the colanders that are full of stones for people (like myself) who don't usually use Epsom Salts? I think the colander is evidence that the Epsom Salts clean out the bowels, sure. And I don't really doubt that they do have some effect on the bile ducts. It just would be interesting to read an explanation, that's all. In the meantime, we'll all keep doing the cleanses that work best for us! in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2002 Report Share Posted January 28, 2002 Thanks for asking him, Adrienne! I'll admit I didn't understand a lot of what was written there either, but it's the closest I've seen to an explanation. I appreciate you doing that! in health, adriennelynn1@... writes: > I asked my husband (a chiropractor) how the epsom salt works. He said > it probably had to do with the Sodium-Potassium Pump action of the > body's cells. He said to start there. I did a search and here is one of > the links I found: > > http://www.nd.edu/~aseriann/nak.html > > I don't understand what's written there, but maybe some of you will. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Ira asks: I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? Ira, the evidence is in the collander! of DH " People are like stain glass windows; they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in, their true beauty is revealed only if there is alight within. " -Kubler Ross " Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. " Holy Bible --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Hi , you are correct. I think maybe didn't read all of your last posts to understand the question fully. Yes, you can get many stones by not using the epsom because the oil will contract the gb and get the stones out also. And, the juices you use will also help to eliminate in the morning so that you can see the results. To be honest with you, IMO, if you can 'handle' the epsom, I think it will probably give you better results. I think the epsom not only opens the bowels/colon, but also opens the other digestive organs in your body. Like the intestines, liver ducts and pores, etc. Epsom salts are used for constipation, stomach aches, etc. It can even relieve gb attacks because it will relax the ducts and allow the stone to drop back down into the gb. So, even though I don't have documented proof at this moment, my knowledge of epsom salt (even before this cleanse) is that it acts as a relaxer and opener of all the body organs in effect. It does lots of things to your body to aide in the passing of most objects throughout your digestive system. Use it if you can, it works better on your entire digestive system than if you don't. Just my thoughts. I know you want some documentation but I can only tell you the action of the salts from a lifetime of knowledge about what it does to many systems in your body (not just the liver ducts). Barry. > Ira asks: > I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim > that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? > > > responds: > > > Ira, the evidence is in the collander! of DH > > > Then what about the colanders that are full of stones for people (like > myself) who don't usually use Epsom Salts? I think the colander is evidence > that the Epsom Salts clean out the bowels, sure. And I don't really doubt > that they do have some effect on the bile ducts. It just would be > interesting to read an explanation, that's all. > > In the meantime, we'll all keep doing the cleanses that work best for us! > > in health, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 In a message dated 1/28/02 10:31:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, barry91162@... writes: > Just my thoughts. I know you want some documentation but I can only > tell you the action of the salts from a lifetime of knowledge about > what it does to many systems in your body (not just the liver ducts). > I appreciate your thoughts. I know that from your experience you believe that the Epsom Salts do certain things. I certainly don't want to beat this topic into the ground. I don't have anything against the Epsom Salts - don't get me wrong. I think there are those who think I'm trying to stir something up here, but it was just an honest question! I have used them, remember, and so it isn't a phobia or a reluctance to drink something that tastes nasty. I don't even mind the taste once there's lemon juice added to it. You believe that it opens up the internal organs even though you don't have any documentation to explain it - and that's fine. I was just looking for a little actual explanation. I guess I still think of Epsom Salts as drinking a chemical and I need to get that idea out of my head. They are natural, right? Anyway - thanks for taking the time to write your thoughts about them. I haven't ruled out using them at some future cleanse, but for now I think I'll continue as I have been doing - with much success. in health, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 I am grateful to for writing in Digest Number 938, in response to my question: >Ira asks: >I therefore ask anyone who's reading: what evidence is there for the claim >that Epsom salts open up (dilate) the bile ducts? > > responds: > > > Ira, the evidence is in the collander! of DH And so, responds and thereby clarifies my question: >Then what about the colanders that are full of stones for people (like >myself) who don't usually use Epsom Salts? I think the colander is evidence >that the Epsom Salts clean out the bowels, sure. And I don't really doubt >that they do have some effect on the bile ducts. It just would be >interesting to read an explanation, that's all. Let me then restate my question: We understand that Epsom salts are a laxative. We understand that liver flushes with and without Epsom Salts produce results in the form of intrahepatic stones eliminated from our bodies. Therefore, I ask whether Epsom salts are needed at all (or are desirable at all). I ask whether they perform any function other than laxative. If the answer is affirmative, how do we know so? If they are no more than a laxative, why not use a pleasant tasting laxative? Why use a laxative at all? If they perform such a function as dilating the bile ducts, how do we know that? (This is not the same as asking how do we know that liver flushes cause the elimination of intrahepatic stones.) Is such a claim made anywhere other than in this forum? Are there any comparisons of liver flushes using Epsom Salts and not using them? ============ Then rachel adds: >In the meantime, we'll all keep doing the cleanses that work best for us! And I reply that I am working up to doing my first flush, which I would like to be most effective but with the least unpleasantness. So I have no reference for " the cleanses that work best " for me. ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 This is what I have been able to find on Epsom salts. I don't see anything about dilating bile ducts. It may be a bit old, though. The American Materia Medica, Therapeutics and Pharmacognosy. by Finley Ellingwood, M.D., 1919. Group V. Agents acting upon the Intestinal Glandular Organs and upon the Intestinal Canal. Chapter IV. Agents used as hydragogue cathartics: Elaterium - Jalap - Helleborus - Magnesium Sulphate - Croton Oil. MAGNESIUM SULPHATE. Other tomes: -- Formula—MgSO47H2O. Synonyms—Epsom Salt, Sulphate of Magnesium. Administration—For general administration it is better to give this agent in a hot solution. Usually one-half of the otherwise necessary dose will accomplish the same result if hot. It is stated that if an ounce be boiled for a short time in a pint of water to which a grain or two of tannic acid is added, it will be entirely deprived of its bitterness. In solution in hot milk, it is of value in debilitated patients. The dose as a hydragogue is from half an ounce to an ounce, well diluted. As an aperient and antacid, from ten to thirty grains will prove satisfactory. Physiological Action—By osmotic processes, this agent abstracts water directly from the intestinal capillaries. This explains the efficient influence of the remedy in dropsy. Its solutions are not readily absorbed, and it directly stimulates intestinal peristaltic action. Concentrated solutions of the agent are more active in abstracting water, and thus more efficient when given for the reduction of dropsical effusions. The solutions so concentrated must be avoided if there be no dropsy. While epsom salt is considered perfectly safe, it has produced death in overdoses. Concentrated solutions when dropsy is not present occasionally produce from rapid absorption of the drug, marked constitutional effects, and death may occur, from convulsions or from suppression of urine. There has been extreme vomiting and paralysis. The agent is also poisonous when solutions are injected directly into the blood stream. There is a pronounced influence upon the respiratory apparatus with sudden respiratory failure. Therapy—This agent is demanded when a non-irritating cathartic is needed, which will produce copious watery stools without nausea or pain. It is of much service in abdominal surgery, thoroughly evacuating the intestinal canal prior to an operation. Given in small doses it stimulates normal secretion, causes liquid feces and prevents any possible impaction. This is accomplished without stimulating the peristalsis to any great extent, or otherwise disturbing the muscular structure of the bowels. It is a most available remedy in dropsy. If the skin is cool, it eliminates large quantities of water through the kidneys as well as from the intestinal canal. If the character of the kidney disease is such that active elimination is undesirable, it will cause active transpiration through the skin instead, if the skin be thoroughly warm and moist at the time of its administration. If the patient is greatly debilitated, it will not produce increased weakness, if it is given in conjunction with the carbonate of iron or some other mild, well selected tonic. If given when the stomach is empty, it seems to act more directly upon the kidneys, as a diuretic. In the treatment of dysentery, given in small doses, it is an efficient remedy. It apparently has a soothing instead of an irritating effect, as have most cathartics in this disease. It is valuable in impaction of the bowels from any cause. In this case fifteen grains of the salt with an equal amount of the bitartrate of potassium every two hours will produce satisfactory results. This combination is also useful as an antacid and refrigerant in many of the disordered conditions of the stomach and bowels during hot weather. If the agent be administered in full doses in colica pictonum it will serve an excellent purpose. Inasmuch as sulphuric acid is a direct antidote in lead poisoning, the dilute acid may be added in small quantities to a solution of this remedy. Dr. Vogler claims that it will produce sleep where the cause depends upon indigestion or constipation if given in dram doses. It is used both internally and externally in rheumatism. I have had many reports during the last two years of the application of a solution of an ounce of epsom salt in a pint of boiling water to which ten or fifteen drops of carbolic acid has been added. This is not only beneficial wherever a fomentation is required but is a superior application, Dr. Gordon says, in the treatment of erysipelas. There is a peculiar disease of the skin in old people characterized by a hard incrusted condition, dusky red or purplish, which cracks and bleeds, and fissures with a slimy exudate at times, which Dr. Waterhouse cures satisfactorily with the above solution. Where the patient has a large number of warts which persist in spite of treatment, from two to five grains of epsom salts four or five times a day with a drop or two of thuja will cure, Dr. Webster says, in a short time. As a pain reliever, this agent has come into prominence during the past few years, through the teachings of many observers: Burgess of Chattanooga claims it to be distinctly anesthetic. Externally applied in concentrated hot solutions, it often exhibits this influence satisfactorily for local inflammations. It was suggested for intra-spinal injections to control tetanus, and at one time to induce temporary anesthesia of the extremities and of the pelvic organs, but serious results followed its use in so many cases that it has now been largely abandoned. Dr. advises the agent in ounce doses of the saturated solution every two hours in the treatment of amebic dysentery. After the first active operations, he gives thirty drops of this solution until the patient has entirely recovered, using starch, water and laudanum, if necessary for the tenesmus, and aconite in fever. When salt rheum so called is present on the hands and fingers, he immerses the parts in warm solution for ten or fifteen minutes, at bedtime. Then draws on clean white cotton gloves for the night, repeating this each night until cured. Where the urine scalds or burns in passing from high acidity, he cures with teaspoonful doses of this solution four times a day. Extreme gastric acidity is relieved by small doses frequently repeated. He treats simple conjunctivitis by dropping a few drops of the saturated solution into the eye, to which is added two grains of cocaine to the ounce, He treats ascaris scabei with hot concentrated solutions applied at bedtime. Dr. Burgess advised the use of this agent to reduce excessive fat. He treated a patient weighing 238 pounds, reducing him to his normal weight, 178 pounds at the rate of about ten pounds per month. His method was to bathe the body night and morning with a solution of one ounce of the salt to a pint of water. At the same time a teaspoonful of the same strength solution was taken internally three times a day. The above course is recommended to reduce the quantity of uric acid in the system when excessive. To unsightly and disfiguring scars, he applied the same solution preferably hot, twice daily. By so doing, he reduced them to a great degree, sometimes removing them entirely. Dr. Broadnax suggested that this treatment might prevent cancers, which develop in scars. Group V. Agents acting upon the Intestinal Glandular Organs and upon the Intestinal Canal. Chapter IV. Agents used as hydragogue cathartics: Elaterium - Jalap - Helleborus - Magnesium Sulphate - Croton Oil. Edited by for the Southwest School of Botanical Medicine Back to the main page - classic texts page - Henriette's herbal homepage ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ---------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 This is what I have been able to find on Epsom salts. I don't see anything about dilating bile ducts. It may be a bit old, though. The American Materia Medica, Therapeutics and Pharmacognosy. by Finley Ellingwood, M.D., 1919. Group V. Agents acting upon the Intestinal Glandular Organs and upon the Intestinal Canal. Chapter IV. Agents used as hydragogue cathartics: Elaterium - Jalap - Helleborus - Magnesium Sulphate - Croton Oil. MAGNESIUM SULPHATE. Other tomes: -- Formula—MgSO47H2O. Synonyms—Epsom Salt, Sulphate of Magnesium. Administration—For general administration it is better to give this agent in a hot solution. Usually one-half of the otherwise necessary dose will accomplish the same result if hot. It is stated that if an ounce be boiled for a short time in a pint of water to which a grain or two of tannic acid is added, it will be entirely deprived of its bitterness. In solution in hot milk, it is of value in debilitated patients. The dose as a hydragogue is from half an ounce to an ounce, well diluted. As an aperient and antacid, from ten to thirty grains will prove satisfactory. Physiological Action—By osmotic processes, this agent abstracts water directly from the intestinal capillaries. This explains the efficient influence of the remedy in dropsy. Its solutions are not readily absorbed, and it directly stimulates intestinal peristaltic action. Concentrated solutions of the agent are more active in abstracting water, and thus more efficient when given for the reduction of dropsical effusions. The solutions so concentrated must be avoided if there be no dropsy. While epsom salt is considered perfectly safe, it has produced death in overdoses. Concentrated solutions when dropsy is not present occasionally produce from rapid absorption of the drug, marked constitutional effects, and death may occur, from convulsions or from suppression of urine. There has been extreme vomiting and paralysis. The agent is also poisonous when solutions are injected directly into the blood stream. There is a pronounced influence upon the respiratory apparatus with sudden respiratory failure. Therapy—This agent is demanded when a non-irritating cathartic is needed, which will produce copious watery stools without nausea or pain. It is of much service in abdominal surgery, thoroughly evacuating the intestinal canal prior to an operation. Given in small doses it stimulates normal secretion, causes liquid feces and prevents any possible impaction. This is accomplished without stimulating the peristalsis to any great extent, or otherwise disturbing the muscular structure of the bowels. It is a most available remedy in dropsy. If the skin is cool, it eliminates large quantities of water through the kidneys as well as from the intestinal canal. If the character of the kidney disease is such that active elimination is undesirable, it will cause active transpiration through the skin instead, if the skin be thoroughly warm and moist at the time of its administration. If the patient is greatly debilitated, it will not produce increased weakness, if it is given in conjunction with the carbonate of iron or some other mild, well selected tonic. If given when the stomach is empty, it seems to act more directly upon the kidneys, as a diuretic. In the treatment of dysentery, given in small doses, it is an efficient remedy. It apparently has a soothing instead of an irritating effect, as have most cathartics in this disease. It is valuable in impaction of the bowels from any cause. In this case fifteen grains of the salt with an equal amount of the bitartrate of potassium every two hours will produce satisfactory results. This combination is also useful as an antacid and refrigerant in many of the disordered conditions of the stomach and bowels during hot weather. If the agent be administered in full doses in colica pictonum it will serve an excellent purpose. Inasmuch as sulphuric acid is a direct antidote in lead poisoning, the dilute acid may be added in small quantities to a solution of this remedy. Dr. Vogler claims that it will produce sleep where the cause depends upon indigestion or constipation if given in dram doses. It is used both internally and externally in rheumatism. I have had many reports during the last two years of the application of a solution of an ounce of epsom salt in a pint of boiling water to which ten or fifteen drops of carbolic acid has been added. This is not only beneficial wherever a fomentation is required but is a superior application, Dr. Gordon says, in the treatment of erysipelas. There is a peculiar disease of the skin in old people characterized by a hard incrusted condition, dusky red or purplish, which cracks and bleeds, and fissures with a slimy exudate at times, which Dr. Waterhouse cures satisfactorily with the above solution. Where the patient has a large number of warts which persist in spite of treatment, from two to five grains of epsom salts four or five times a day with a drop or two of thuja will cure, Dr. Webster says, in a short time. As a pain reliever, this agent has come into prominence during the past few years, through the teachings of many observers: Burgess of Chattanooga claims it to be distinctly anesthetic. Externally applied in concentrated hot solutions, it often exhibits this influence satisfactorily for local inflammations. It was suggested for intra-spinal injections to control tetanus, and at one time to induce temporary anesthesia of the extremities and of the pelvic organs, but serious results followed its use in so many cases that it has now been largely abandoned. Dr. advises the agent in ounce doses of the saturated solution every two hours in the treatment of amebic dysentery. After the first active operations, he gives thirty drops of this solution until the patient has entirely recovered, using starch, water and laudanum, if necessary for the tenesmus, and aconite in fever. When salt rheum so called is present on the hands and fingers, he immerses the parts in warm solution for ten or fifteen minutes, at bedtime. Then draws on clean white cotton gloves for the night, repeating this each night until cured. Where the urine scalds or burns in passing from high acidity, he cures with teaspoonful doses of this solution four times a day. Extreme gastric acidity is relieved by small doses frequently repeated. He treats simple conjunctivitis by dropping a few drops of the saturated solution into the eye, to which is added two grains of cocaine to the ounce, He treats ascaris scabei with hot concentrated solutions applied at bedtime. Dr. Burgess advised the use of this agent to reduce excessive fat. He treated a patient weighing 238 pounds, reducing him to his normal weight, 178 pounds at the rate of about ten pounds per month. His method was to bathe the body night and morning with a solution of one ounce of the salt to a pint of water. At the same time a teaspoonful of the same strength solution was taken internally three times a day. The above course is recommended to reduce the quantity of uric acid in the system when excessive. To unsightly and disfiguring scars, he applied the same solution preferably hot, twice daily. By so doing, he reduced them to a great degree, sometimes removing them entirely. Dr. Broadnax suggested that this treatment might prevent cancers, which develop in scars. Group V. Agents acting upon the Intestinal Glandular Organs and upon the Intestinal Canal. Chapter IV. Agents used as hydragogue cathartics: Elaterium - Jalap - Helleborus - Magnesium Sulphate - Croton Oil. Edited by for the Southwest School of Botanical Medicine Back to the main page - classic texts page - Henriette's herbal homepage ----------------------- IRA L. JACOBSON ----------------------- mailto:laser@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2002 Report Share Posted January 29, 2002 Dosage from Medscape: Magnesium Sulfate Adults and Children 12 and Older. The usual oral dosage is 10—30 g daily given as a single dose or in divided doses. Children 6-11 Years of Age. The usual oral dosage is 5—10 g daily given as a single dose or in divided doses. Children 2-5 Years of Age. The usual oral dosage is 2.5—5 g daily given as a single dose or in divided doses. Ira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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