Re: MMR -- how about the R?

May 11, 2006

Hey you know what I had german measles as well, that's strange!

ladyjem

To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse@...: dbsmith@...:

Wed, 10 May 2006 17:53:06 -0500Subject: MMR -- how about the

R?It crossed my mind the other day -- took all day to cross that vast, empty

space ;-) -- that with consideration of the MMR vaccine as a causative factor in

Autistic spectrum conditions, the focus has only been on the mercury content of

the vaccine. Has anyone studied the relationship between Rubella -- sometimes

called German Measles -- and AS? My Mom told me I had German Measles as a

child, which I don't recall, as I was quite young at the time, and I wonder if

there might be some relationship there. I have this vague impression that

Rubella is less common than the other two viruses, which might mean that there

would have been less exposure to that virus before the MMR vaccine became

common. But I don't know if anyone has looked into that possibility.Also, am I

remembering correctly that viruses readily cross the blood-brain barrier? If

so, that also might be suggestive.I know that the " MMR myth " is something of a

bugaboo here, but it's in my nature to look for causes and patterns in things,

and this smells like a possible pattern.-- B. , another satisfied

user ofPegasus Mail Client and Mercury MTA

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May 11, 2006

I don't mean to be rude, but other than the fact that you once had it, why

do you think there might be a connection? I'm not familiar with any evidence

to that effect and I'm not exactly sure what chain of logic led you to that

hypothesis. Clarification would be appreciated if you feel there's a

credible argument to be made there.

-Ari

>

> It crossed my mind the other day -- took all day to cross that vast, empty

> space ;-) -- that with consideration of the MMR vaccine as a causative

> factor in Autistic spectrum conditions, the focus has only been on the

> mercury content of the vaccine. Has anyone studied the relationship

> between Rubella -- sometimes called German Measles -- and AS?

>

> My Mom told me I had German Measles as a child, which I don't recall, as I

> was quite young at the time, and I wonder if there might be some

> relationship there. I have this vague impression that Rubella is less

> common than the other two viruses, which might mean that there would have

> been less exposure to that virus before the MMR vaccine became common.

> But I don't know if anyone has looked into that possibility.

>

> Also, am I remembering correctly that viruses readily cross the blood-

> brain barrier? If so, that also might be suggestive.

>

> I know that the " MMR myth " is something of a bugaboo here, but it's in my

> nature to look for causes and patterns in things, and this smells like a

> possible pattern.

>

> --

>

> B. , another satisfied user of

> Pegasus Mail Client and Mercury MTA <http://www.pmail.com>

> <ftp://ftp.usm.maine.edu/pegasus/winpmail/w32-431.exe>

>

May 11, 2006

And, yes, viruses do cross the BBB. That is why they are more

difficult to get rid of than bacteria.

http://www.autismwebsite.com/ari/vaccine/MMRreferences.htm

The Vaccine-Autism Connection – Part II (MMR)

Read and download an Adobe Acrobat (pdf) file

BERNARD RIMLAND, Ph.D., Director

April, 2004

Partial list of scientific studies linking the MMR vaccine and

autism:

Following are some of the scientific studies that demonstrate the

MMR vaccine to be a significant causal factor in autism. Note that

these studies are consistently ignored in the medical

establishment's publications claiming that there is no evidence for

vaccine-caused autism.

Wakefield AJ, Murch SH, A, Linnell J, Casson DM, Malik M,

Berelowitz M, Dhillon AP, Thomson MA, Harvey P, Valentine A, Davies

SE, - JA. Ileal-lymphoid-nodular hyperplasia, non-

specific colitis, and pervasive developmental disorder in children.

Lancet. 1998 28;351(9103):637-41. PMID: 9500320

Ashwood P et al. Intestinal lymphocyte populations in children with

regressive autism: evidence for extensive mucosal immunopathology. J

Clin Immunol. 2003 Nov;23(6):504-17. PMID: 15031638

Wakefield AJ. Enterocolitis, autism and measles virus. Mol

Psychiatry. 2002;7 Suppl 2:S44-6. PMID: 12142948

Wakefield AJ. The gut-brain axis in childhood developmental

disorders. J Pediatr Gastroenterol Nutr. 2002 May-Jun;34 Suppl 1:S14-

7. PMID: 12082381

Torrente F et al. Small intestinal enteropathy with epithelial IgG

and complement deposition in children with regressive autism. Mol

Psychiatry. 2002;7(4):375-82, 334. PMID: 11986981

Wakefield AJ et al. Review article: the concept of entero-colonic

encephalopathy, autism and opioid receptor ligands. Aliment

Pharmacol Ther 2002 16(4):663-74. PMID 11929383

Furlano RI et al. Colonic CD8 and gamma delta T-cell infiltration

with epithelial damage in children with autism. J Pediatr. 2001

Mar;138(3):366-72. PMID: 11241044

O'Leary JJ et al. Measles virus and autism. Lancet. 2000 Aug 26;356

(9231):772. PMID: 11085720

Wakefield AJ et al. Enterocolitis in children with developmental

disorders. Am J Gastroenterol. 2000 Sep;95(9):2285-95. PMID:

11007230

Wakefield AJ, Montgomery SM. Autism, viral infection and measles-

mumps-rubella vaccination. Isr Med Assoc J. 1999 Nov;1(3):183-7.

PMID: 10731332

Wakefield AJ. MMR vaccination and autism. Lancet. 1999 Sep 11;354

(9182):949-50. PMID: 10489978

Quigley EM, Hurley D. Autism and the gastrointestinal tract. Am J

Gastroenterol. 2000 Sep;95(9):2154-6. PMID: 11007210

Kawashima H et al. Detection and sequencing of measles virus from

peripheral mononuclear cells from patients with inflammatory bowel

disease and autism. Dig Dis Sci. 2000 Apr;45(4):723-9. PMID 10759242

Vijendra K. Singh, Ph.D. Autism, Vaccines, and Immune Reactions. IOM

presentation, Feb 9, 2004.

Audio only: http://www.iom.edu/view.asp?id=19132

Singh VK, Jensen RL. Elevated levels of measles antibodies in

children with autism. Pediatr Neurol. 2003 Apr;28(4):292-4. PMID:

12849883

Singh VK et al. Abnormal measles-mumps-rubella antibodies and CNS

autoimmunity in children with autism. J Biomed Sci. 2002 Jul-Aug;9

(4):359-64. PMID 12145534

>

> It crossed my mind the other day -- took all day to cross that

vast, empty

> space ;-) -- that with consideration of the MMR vaccine as a

causative

> factor in Autistic spectrum conditions, the focus has only been on

the

> mercury content of the vaccine. Has anyone studied the

relationship

> between Rubella -- sometimes called German Measles -- and AS?

>

> My Mom told me I had German Measles as a child, which I don't

recall, as I

> was quite young at the time, and I wonder if there might be some

> relationship there. I have this vague impression that Rubella is

less

> common than the other two viruses, which might mean that there

would have

> been less exposure to that virus before the MMR vaccine became

common.

> But I don't know if anyone has looked into that possibility.

>

> Also, am I remembering correctly that viruses readily cross the

blood-

> brain barrier? If so, that also might be suggestive.

>

> I know that the " MMR myth " is something of a bugaboo here, but

it's in my

> nature to look for causes and patterns in things, and this smells

like a

> possible pattern.

>

> --

>

> B. , another satisfied user of

> Pegasus Mail Client and Mercury MTA <http://www.pmail.com>

> <ftp://ftp.usm.maine.edu/pegasus/winpmail/w32-431.exe>

>

May 11, 2006

German measles used to be a very widely-caught childhood illness. Like

Chickenpox. Everyone I knew had both, as children in the 1950s/1960s,

before the vaccines.

You might want to remember that correlation does not necessarily imply

causality - think of it this way: saying German Measles or a vaccine

" causes " autism spectrum disorders is like saying that because a

criminal has brown eyes, everyone with brown eyes is prone to be a

criminal.

The correlation I see is that the spectrum disorders were only being

widely recognized at about the same time as the vaccines (etc.) were

widely available. That means only that they were being widely

recognized, not necessarily that they are related in any other way.

>

> Hey you know what I had german measles as well, that's strange!

> ladyjem

>

> To: AutisticSpectrumTreeHouse@...: dbsmith@...: Wed, 10 May 2006

17:53:06 -0500Subject: MMR -- how about the R?It

crossed my mind the other day -- took all day to cross that vast,

empty space ;-) -- that with consideration of the MMR vaccine as a

causative factor in Autistic spectrum conditions, the focus has only

been on the mercury content of the vaccine. Has anyone studied the

relationship between Rubella -- sometimes called German Measles -- and

AS? My Mom told me I had German Measles as a child, which I don't

recall, as I was quite young at the time, and I wonder if there might

be some relationship there. I have this vague impression that Rubella

is less common than the other two viruses, which might mean that there

would have been less exposure to that virus before the MMR vaccine

became common. But I don't know if anyone has looked into that

possibility.Also, am I remembering correctly that viruses readily

cross the blood-brain barrier? If so, that also might be suggestive.I

know that the " MMR myth " is something of a bugaboo here, but it's in

my nature to look for causes and patterns in things, and this smells

like a possible pattern.-- B. , another satisfied user

ofPegasus Mail Client and Mercury MTA

<http://www.pmail.com><ftp://ftp.usm.maine.edu/pegasus/winpmail/w32-431.exe>

>

May 11, 2006

Exactly. My father had Aspergers (almost certainly). He had an

obviously autistic brother. He most likely had at least two other

siblings on the spectrum, one of which had severe issues. His mother

exhibited symptoms that would qualify her for a diagnosis somewhere in

the moderate-functioning range. Her mother was also considered " odd. "

I have Aspergers in spades. My child also is impacted. My child is the

only one in the five generations to have had any of the vaccinations.

I find it highly unlikely that there is anything but coincidence in a

correlation between the vaccinations and her issues.

It is my understanding, from reading arguments on both sides of the

" vaccine " hypothesis, that the problem was to have been from the

mercury in the carrier, not the killed or disabled viruses. Since they

haven't use mercury in years in the bases, if there was a direct link

between the vaccine and the spectrum, it should have statistically

shown itself by a decrease in cases. Which, as far as I know, is not

what the stats are showing.

Most likely, and although I do know that people want to find a

cut-and-dried something to blame for it all (it's much easier to

demonize something than accept serendipity), I think that increased

awareness and diagnostic abilities are the cause in the " increase " in

persons with a diagnosis of an autistic spectrum disorder.

That, and because people no longer hide us away and pretend we aren't

part of the family. (Ah, thank you eugenics movement for all that

nonsense!)

> >

> > It crossed my mind the other day -- took all day to cross that

vast, empty

> > space ;-) -- that with consideration of the MMR vaccine as a causative

> > factor in Autistic spectrum conditions, the focus has only been on the

> > mercury content of the vaccine. Has anyone studied the relationship

> > between Rubella -- sometimes called German Measles -- and AS?

> >

> > My Mom told me I had German Measles as a child, which I don't

recall, as I

> > was quite young at the time, and I wonder if there might be some

> > relationship there. I have this vague impression that Rubella is less

> > common than the other two viruses, which might mean that there

would have

> > been less exposure to that virus before the MMR vaccine became common.

> > But I don't know if anyone has looked into that possibility.

> >

> > Also, am I remembering correctly that viruses readily cross the blood-

> > brain barrier? If so, that also might be suggestive.

> >

> > I know that the " MMR myth " is something of a bugaboo here, but

it's in my

> > nature to look for causes and patterns in things, and this smells

like a

> > possible pattern.

> >

> > --

> >

> > B. , another satisfied user of

> > Pegasus Mail Client and Mercury MTA <http://www.pmail.com>

> > <ftp://ftp.usm.maine.edu/pegasus/winpmail/w32-431.exe>

> >

May 11, 2006

New Study: Declining Autism Cases Tied to

Removal of Mercury from Vaccines

Two Unrelated Government Databases Show

Same Downward Trend in Autism Cases

A new study published today (March 1,) shows that the rate of

neurodevelopmental disorders (NDs) in children has decreased

following removal of thimerosal, a preservative containing the

neurotoxin mercury, from American childhood vaccines. The study,

published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons, a peer

reviewed journal, by Dr. Mark Geier and Geier examined two

independent databases maintained by the government – one national

and one state.

The Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) database

maintained by the Centers for Disease Control and the Californian

Department of Developmental Services (CDDS) database each showed the

same downward trend for the period from 2002 through 2005. According

to the study " [t]he results indicate that the trends in newly

diagnosed NDs correspond directly with the expansion and subsequent

contraction of the cumulative mercury dose to which children were

exposed from [thimerosal-containing vaccines] through the U.S.

immunization schedule. "

The study examined the trend for cases of autism during the

period beginning 1994 and ending 2002 compared with the period from

2002 to June, 2005.

The trends for increases and decreases of cases of autism

found in the VAERS national database were consistent with the trends

found in the CDDC California database. Most significantly, in each

database the increasing and decreasing trends correlate with the

time that the exposure to thimerosal through the immunization

schedule was increased and then decreased after removal of mercury

containing vaccines. " The consistency of the effects observed for

the spectrum of NDs, including autism and speech disorders, and the

agreement between the observations from two separate databases,

support the conclusion that the effect is real and not a chance

observation. " The study found that the magnitude of the change in

the decreasing trend of cases was significant after removal of

mercury from vaccines. Data from the U.S. Department of Education, a

third database, showed a recent decrease of autism diagnoses that is

consistent with the findings in the two databases.

The authors show that the biological plausibility of their

statistical findings is supported by recent toxicological and

molecular studies that reveal the mechanism by which mercury from

vaccines can cause damage to the developing brains of children. A

recent study by researchers at the University of Washington has

shown that ethylmercury from thimerosal in vaccines can cross from

the bloodstream into the brain in toxic amounts which can remain in

brain tissue for many years. This finding contradicted the untested

view about the toxicity of ethylmercury in vaccines that prevailed

in public health for 75 years. Other researchers have shown that

minute concentrations of mercury, far lower than previously believed

and far less than other toxins such as lead, can destroy neurons and

damage DNA within hours of exposure.

Such low levels of mercury, which likely are reached in infant

brains via vaccine thimerosal exposure, can disrupt cell signaling

and metabolic pathways necessary for normal brain development.

Studies in mice, rabbits, monkeys, rats and other animals support

these findings. Further studies in children have found evidence of

mercury toxicity, metabolic disruption and oxidative stress that is

consistent with the author's statistical findings that thimerosal in

vaccines causes autism and developmental disorders.

The authors point out that their finding that the VAERS and

CDDS databases show strong associations between thimerosal

containing vaccines and neurodevelopmental disorders completely

contradicts the 2004 findings contained in a report published by the

Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences – which

was based on data controlled exclusively by the Center for Disease

Control's National Immunization Program and

unavailable to outside researchers. In arguing that their study's

findings justify additional research the authors point out that the

handling of vaccine safety data by the Centers for Disease Control

has been called into serious question in a 2005 report published by

the Institute of Medicine.

You can view and download a pdf file containing the new

study, " Early Downward Trends in Neurodevelopmental Disorders

Following Removal of Thimerosal-Containing Vaccines " by clicking

here. It is being published today in Volume 11, Number 1, Spring

2006 of the peer-reviewed Journal of American Physicians and

Surgeons.

>

> Exactly. My father had Aspergers (almost certainly). He had an

> obviously autistic brother. He most likely had at least two other

> siblings on the spectrum, one of which had severe issues. His

mother

> exhibited symptoms that would qualify her for a diagnosis

somewhere in

> the moderate-functioning range. Her mother was also

considered " odd. "

> I have Aspergers in spades. My child also is impacted. My child is

the

> only one in the five generations to have had any of the

vaccinations.

> I find it highly unlikely that there is anything but coincidence

in a

> correlation between the vaccinations and her issues.

>

> It is my understanding, from reading arguments on both sides of the

> " vaccine " hypothesis, that the problem was to have been from the

> mercury in the carrier, not the killed or disabled viruses. Since

they

> haven't use mercury in years in the bases, if there was a direct

link

> between the vaccine and the spectrum, it should have statistically

> shown itself by a decrease in cases. Which, as far as I know, is

not

> what the stats are showing.

>

> Most likely, and although I do know that people want to find a

> cut-and-dried something to blame for it all (it's much easier to

> demonize something than accept serendipity), I think that increased

> awareness and diagnostic abilities are the cause in the " increase "

in

> persons with a diagnosis of an autistic spectrum disorder.

>

> That, and because people no longer hide us away and pretend we

aren't

> part of the family. (Ah, thank you eugenics movement for all that

> nonsense!)

May 11, 2006

le - I have researched this publication, since you were so kind

as to send the information on it. The Journal of American Physicians

and Surgeons is published by a generic association of physicians, not

of the top (or even mid-level) researchers in their fields. It is not

considered a serious research journal by any of the research

librarians at the University or the Medical School with whom I have

spoken today. It seems to be considered somewhat of a sick joke,

actually, foisted on the desperate and uneducated.

Quite frankly, from having looked through the site, the credentials of

the authors of many of the pieces, and at some of the articles on the

site, I'm leaning towards agreeing with what I've heard today. It

reads more like a soapbox for those who are more interested in putting

a spin on their personal views than the actual accuracy of the

information. This is not serious research.

Taking these guys too seriously would be like assuming the guy who can

fly the piper cub over at the local airport was an expert on the finer

points of navigating the space shuttle. The basics are the same, but

they just don't have either the education or research experience to be

taken very seriously except by those who are unfamiliar with the

scientific peer-review process.

Put plainly, you've got marginally qualified people making some pretty

broad statements that are not, as far as I can tell, backed up by

other, rigorously controlled and reviewed studies. You'd do better

looking for research results on PubMed or Sage. The pub you reference

reads like the National Enquirer of the medical world, sorry! I really

can't give it a lot of credibility. Best - Nannersone

> >

> > Exactly. My father had Aspergers (almost certainly). He had an

> > obviously autistic brother. He most likely had at least two other

> > siblings on the spectrum, one of which had severe issues. His

> mother

> > exhibited symptoms that would qualify her for a diagnosis

> somewhere in

> > the moderate-functioning range. Her mother was also

> considered " odd. "

> > I have Aspergers in spades. My child also is impacted. My child is

> the

> > only one in the five generations to have had any of the

> vaccinations.

> > I find it highly unlikely that there is anything but coincidence

> in a

> > correlation between the vaccinations and her issues.

> >

> > It is my understanding, from reading arguments on both sides of the

> > " vaccine " hypothesis, that the problem was to have been from the

> > mercury in the carrier, not the killed or disabled viruses. Since

> they

> > haven't use mercury in years in the bases, if there was a direct

> link

> > between the vaccine and the spectrum, it should have statistically

> > shown itself by a decrease in cases. Which, as far as I know, is

> not

> > what the stats are showing.

> >

> > Most likely, and although I do know that people want to find a

> > cut-and-dried something to blame for it all (it's much easier to

> > demonize something than accept serendipity), I think that increased

> > awareness and diagnostic abilities are the cause in the " increase "

> in

> > persons with a diagnosis of an autistic spectrum disorder.

> >

> > That, and because people no longer hide us away and pretend we

> aren't

> > part of the family. (Ah, thank you eugenics movement for all that

> > nonsense!)

>

May 11, 2006

> I don't mean to be rude, but other than the fact that you once had

> it, why do you think there might be a connection? I'm not familiar

> with any evidence to that effect and I'm not exactly sure what

> chain of logic led you to that hypothesis. Clarification would be

> appreciated if you feel there's a credible argument to be made

> there.

I don't know that there is. Lots of people of a certain generation

had Rubella. Most of them are not autistic.

My mother had it, and as a result she's got to wear incredibly thick

glasses, but there were no neurological changes.

The only connection I see with Rubella, at all, is that there's

evidence that Rubella babies are more often autistic. (As well as

more often deaf, and a lot of other things.)

May 11, 2006

I honestly don't care about your opinion toward this or the opinions

of the so called better researchers. My son has had several tests

that reflect heavy metal toxicity (primarily mercury and lead),

chronic virus, chronic candidiasis and many other medical problems.

Since starting treatment 3 years ago, he has been getting better.

We continually monitor his blood and urine through lab work. You

can say what you want, I know the truth. I have, in the last year

began to work on myself and I am getting better........still

asperger but I'm not always sick at least. I just started chelating

myself a week or so ago so I can't say that has helped yet. I don't

believe vaccines cause everything but I do believe they are a major

cause. Conventional medicine failed my son and me. Niether of us

got any better on any of the drugs they put us on. Conventional

medicine couldn't even stop my son's seizures which were continiuing

to get worse until he started biomedical 3 years ago. Since

starting biomedical, he has not had 1 seizure. I am not going to

argue about all of this. I was just putting the information out

there for the person/people who was/were interested enough to ask

about it. There are reasons I will not get into right now for your

referenced people or organizations to say the things they said but I

can assure you that it has nothing to do with reliability of the

sources I provided.

>

> le - I have researched this publication, since you were so

kind

> as to send the information on it. The Journal of American

Physicians

> and Surgeons is published by a generic association of physicians,

not

> of the top (or even mid-level) researchers in their fields. It is

not

> considered a serious research journal by any of the research

> librarians at the University or the Medical School with whom I have

> spoken today. It seems to be considered somewhat of a sick joke,

> actually, foisted on the desperate and uneducated.

>

> Quite frankly, from having looked through the site, the

credentials of

> the authors of many of the pieces, and at some of the articles on

the

> site, I'm leaning towards agreeing with what I've heard today. It

> reads more like a soapbox for those who are more interested in

putting

> a spin on their personal views than the actual accuracy of the

> information. This is not serious research.

>

> Taking these guys too seriously would be like assuming the guy who

can

> fly the piper cub over at the local airport was an expert on the

finer

> points of navigating the space shuttle. The basics are the same,

but

> they just don't have either the education or research experience

to be

> taken very seriously except by those who are unfamiliar with the

> scientific peer-review process.

>

> Put plainly, you've got marginally qualified people making some

pretty

> broad statements that are not, as far as I can tell, backed up by

> other, rigorously controlled and reviewed studies. You'd do better

> looking for research results on PubMed or Sage. The pub you

reference

> reads like the National Enquirer of the medical world, sorry! I

really

> can't give it a lot of credibility. Best - Nannersone

May 11, 2006

le - Bless you, dear. Any port in a storm. Sorry to hear of

your problems, and of those of your son. You sound pretty desperate. I

will pray that you're not being taken advantage of and that you find

some peace and any solutions there may be to your and your son's issues.

If you find something that makes you feel better, physically or

emotionally, I think that's wonderful. Believe whatever works for you

- there's quite a lot to be said for the power of positive thought.

Just be careful, as some of the " alternative " treatments being touted

out there move beyond being benign and can cause damage.

Please understand that my post was not a personal attack on you. I

simply dislike seeing snake-oil sold to people who have no other

options. I do hope for the best for you and your son. - Nannersone

> >

> > le - I have researched this publication, since you were so

> kind

> > as to send the information on it. The Journal of American

> Physicians

> > and Surgeons is published by a generic association of physicians,

> not

> > of the top (or even mid-level) researchers in their fields. It is

> not

> > considered a serious research journal by any of the research

> > librarians at the University or the Medical School with whom I have

> > spoken today. It seems to be considered somewhat of a sick joke,

> > actually, foisted on the desperate and uneducated.

> >

> > Quite frankly, from having looked through the site, the

> credentials of

> > the authors of many of the pieces, and at some of the articles on

> the

> > site, I'm leaning towards agreeing with what I've heard today. It

> > reads more like a soapbox for those who are more interested in

> putting

> > a spin on their personal views than the actual accuracy of the

> > information. This is not serious research.

> >

> > Taking these guys too seriously would be like assuming the guy who

> can

> > fly the piper cub over at the local airport was an expert on the

> finer

> > points of navigating the space shuttle. The basics are the same,

> but

> > they just don't have either the education or research experience

> to be

> > taken very seriously except by those who are unfamiliar with the

> > scientific peer-review process.

> >

> > Put plainly, you've got marginally qualified people making some

> pretty

> > broad statements that are not, as far as I can tell, backed up by

> > other, rigorously controlled and reviewed studies. You'd do better

> > looking for research results on PubMed or Sage. The pub you

> reference

> > reads like the National Enquirer of the medical world, sorry! I

> really

> > can't give it a lot of credibility. Best - Nannersone

>

May 11, 2006

Thank you. I really do appreciate what you said. I didn't think

you were launching a personal assault on me, as I was not attempting

to attack your character. Please do pray for us. I do believe in

God and the power of prayer.

Before my son's diagnosis, I believed what you believe. I am about

to graduate from a major university. I am neither stupid nor

naive. I know what a double blind placebo controlled study is.

Three years ago, immediately preceeding our journey into the

biomedical world, our doctor warned me that I should not waste money

on biomedical treatment. If I hadn't " wasted my money " , I would

never have found my son's 19 IgG food allergies that I could not get

the doctors to test him for. I would not have gotten him treated

for his overgrowth of intestinal yeast that caused many of his

intestinal and behavioral problems. Yes, he did have medical tests

for this. Dr. Cave (our biomedical MD) said Nick had some of the

worst or most (don't recall which word) toxins from yeast she had

ever seen. Every time it comes back, Nick's ears get red, he gets

purple circles under his eyes, he gets hyper and aggressive, his

sensory issues worsen and he can't cocentrate to save his life.

When we treat with antifungal meds, all of this disappears. His lab

tests that we have done every 2 and a half months show what metals

and in what quantity are coming out. This child had diarrhea every

day of his life until we started biomedical. Since starting

biomedical, he has not had diarrhea once! He used to get sick all

of the time. We were at the doctor's office almost every week.

Since starting biomedical, he has not been sick once. Everybody in

the house can get sick and he will not. Saturday, we will start

meds for his viral load........confirmed by medical tests.

Every time we see our family doctor for well visits or for my nephew

or my mother or myself (when one of us goes, we all go because I

don't have a babysitter), he comments on how much my son has

improved from the previous visit. This doctor has also stated that

Nick is not even the same kid he was 3 years ago.

I am not doing all of the biomedical treatment on a half-cocked

whim. Medical testing has proved the need for every supplement or

medicine my son has taken. This treatment is also supervised by a

medical doctor, not a homeopath or anyone like that, although I do

believe in homeopathy.

Three years ago, one of the first tests was one that observed Nick's

blood cells under the microscope. His rbc's were misshapen

(teardrop spape) and clustered. They are supposed to be round and

not clustered. Three or so weeks ago, the same test was performed.

The rbc's were round this time, as they were supposed to be. But

they were stacked, meaning a toxic metal load, as I already knew

from lab reports. So even though I have been slowly chelating Nick

for 2 and a half years, he still has enough toxic metals to stack

his red blood cells.

My son's progress is NOT all in my head. It is substantiated by

medical lab reports and progress as reported by doctors, peers,

family and teachers.

>

> le - Bless you, dear. Any port in a storm. Sorry to hear of

> your problems, and of those of your son. You sound pretty

desperate. I

> will pray that you're not being taken advantage of and that you

find

> some peace and any solutions there may be to your and your son's

issues.

>

> If you find something that makes you feel better, physically or

> emotionally, I think that's wonderful. Believe whatever works for

you

> - there's quite a lot to be said for the power of positive thought.

> Just be careful, as some of the " alternative " treatments being

touted

> out there move beyond being benign and can cause damage.

>

> Please understand that my post was not a personal attack on you. I

> simply dislike seeing snake-oil sold to people who have no other

> options. I do hope for the best for you and your son. - Nannersone

May 11, 2006

le - Where is all that heavy metal coming from? It's not normal

for anyone to have it in their bodies - it ~doesn't~ form naturally in

the body. The way heavy metals get into the body are via ingestion or

inhalation. Some also might be absorbed directly through the skin - I

think mercury can be pretty dangerous that way, from touching

contaminated soil or surfaces.

Has your home been fumigated in recent years? Some of the termite and

roach fumigants used to use mercury and/or arsnic compounds, I believe

(not sure about that). Could it still be lurking in the wood and

seeping back into your living quarters? Are you near any chemical

plants or electrical power plants that burn petrochemicals or coal?

Are you in old housing that may have lead paint, or with lead water

pipes? If the pipes could be the problem, you need to be on bottled

water. If the paint is the problem, are you able to move to somewhere

safer? If not, can you slap a good coat of latex sealant paint down

over the leaded paint? Have you had your yard soil (if you have a

yard) tested for heavy metal/pesticide toxicity? People used to be

really awful about just dumping pesticides on their yards without

thinking of the long-term impacts on the soil. If you are in the USA,

your county extension agent should be able to refer you to a lab, or

be able to take the sample him/herself for you.

I do know about yeast issues. I have a good friend who had serious

problems with yeast infections in places one normally does not have

them (her lungs). It was a particularly nasty, rare strain of yeast,

not a variety that they see very often. She was mis-diagnosed for

years, because the doctors were not accustomed to dealing with it and

did not run the appropriate tests to detect it. They told her she had

everything from asthma to COPD. Once the infection was cleared up

(which took years), her health improved tremendously. Until then, she

had dark circles under her eyes, problems concentrating, fits of

temper that came out of nowhere, extreme fatigue, and a host of minor

problems.

Unfortunately, yeast really doesn't appear to have much to do with

Aspergers or Autism as far as I am aware, although the byproducts it

creates can certainly make you sick as a dog. I guess, if a clinician

were in a hurry, they might mistake the symptoms caused by the yeast

byproducts to be indicative of something on the Autism spectrum. I

wonder if you were both/either misdiagnosed? - Nannersone

> >

> > le - Bless you, dear. Any port in a storm. Sorry to hear of

> > your problems, and of those of your son. You sound pretty

> desperate. I

> > will pray that you're not being taken advantage of and that you

> find

> > some peace and any solutions there may be to your and your son's

> issues.

> >

> > If you find something that makes you feel better, physically or

> > emotionally, I think that's wonderful. Believe whatever works for

> you

> > - there's quite a lot to be said for the power of positive thought.

> > Just be careful, as some of the " alternative " treatments being

> touted

> > out there move beyond being benign and can cause damage.

> >

> > Please understand that my post was not a personal attack on you. I

> > simply dislike seeing snake-oil sold to people who have no other

> > options. I do hope for the best for you and your son. - Nannersone

>

May 11, 2006

Thank you for this post. I will try give you an appropriate reply tomorrow.

I'd do it now but it will take some time and I have a 5 chapter microbiology

exam tomorrow morning that I need to finish studying for.

nannersone wrote: le - Where is all that heavy

metal coming from? It's not normal