Re: tv

[Guest guest]

http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/grizzlyman/grizzlyman.html

Tomorrow night on Discovery channel at 8 is a movie I've been waiting for. A

sad but true story about a man eaten by bears that he loved. With actual

footage all the way through, but thankfully not of the attack.

Tonight ( Its 12:40 a.m.) earlier I should say Thursday, I watched E.R.

and found it to be a literal representation of my life last year. I cried

all the way through. This family all chose to watch it, but in separate

rooms.

The man who played the Lou Gehrigs patient should win some award, the

expressions were spot on.

Now to unwind from all that. And possibly sleep.

[Guest guest]

> Tomorrow night on Discovery channel at 8 is a movie I've been

> waiting for. A sad but true story about a man eaten by bears that

> he loved.

If that's really true (and not a te vee entertainment story),

then I don't think I'll get a bear for my next pet. What was

that guy thinking? Does the name " Darwin " come to mind?

Am I cold to say that I would have been at the edge of my seat

waiting for that to happen?

- s

[Guest guest]

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> > Tomorrow night on Discovery channel at 8 is a movie I've been

> > waiting for. A sad but true story about a man eaten by bears that

> > he loved.

>

> If that's really true (and not a te vee entertainment story),

> then I don't think I'll get a bear for my next pet. What was

> that guy thinking? Does the name " Darwin " come to mind?

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> Am I cold to say that I would have been at the edge of my seat

> waiting for that to happen?

>

> - s

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I agree. Hard to have sympathy for such an idiot and I understand

another person also died as a result of this.

Jerry Newport

[Guest guest]

I agree with you both but

I have a recurring nightmare of bears since I was little that has impaired

my ability to hike w/o fear. Ever since I saw cubs in the wild in Vermont

when I was fishing with a little cousin...I turned and got out, having to

climb a slippery hill, afraid to turn around because I knew my teacher said

that bear mothers would protect cubs.

That must be what did it.

So I guess I try to face this fear, I don't mind them in zoos except for my

belief that they should be free...but watching on tv may help my phobia.

Kim

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> > > Tomorrow night on Discovery channel at 8 is a movie I've been

> > > waiting for. A sad but true story about a man eaten by bears that

> > > he loved.

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> > If that's really true (and not a te vee entertainment story),

> > then I don't think I'll get a bear for my next pet. What was

> > that guy thinking? Does the name " Darwin " come to mind?

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> > Am I cold to say that I would have been at the edge of my seat

> > waiting for that to happen?

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> > - s

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> I agree. Hard to have sympathy for such an idiot and I understand

> another person also died as a result of this.

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> Jerry Newport

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[Guest guest]

The movie is called, Grizzley Man; and you can rent it

on DVD (I don't know about video). (The filming is

amature so the topic has to hold your attention to

watch.)

The man used his own resources to photograph and

lecture about bears trying to educate people to their

responsibility to protect wildlife--especially bears.

It is a human study of one person's perseveration.

There is a small, cute segment about a fox's

friendship with the man that is actually more

interesting, to me.

No body was interested in this man, besides a couple

of Alaskan outdoorsmen-friends, an ex-girlfriend and

the teachers of the schools where he spoke (the

students looked bored), until he and his girlfriend

were eaten by one of the bears he tracked. The mauling

was news worthy, not the message.

He spent years visiting a remote place, not

recommended for people where bears spent their

Springs. Some things in the movie looked to me like

harrassement of the bears--they would have bothered me

in a social setting.

The mauling was not so surprising as the fact that he

would do this every year for (I think) five years

without incident.

~Bonnie

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> > Tomorrow night on Discovery channel at 8 is a

> movie I've been

> > waiting for. A sad but true story about a man

> eaten by bears that

> > he loved.

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> What was

> that guy thinking? Does the name " Darwin " come to

> mind?

>

> Am I cold to say that I would have been at the edge

> of my seat

> waiting for that to happen?

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Nope

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[Guest guest]

Kim wrote:

>So I guess I try to face this fear, I don't mind them in zoos except for my

>belief that they should be free...but watching on tv may help my phobia.

How can watching a movie where a human is eaten by a bear help your

phobia? Seems to me it would be better to watch programs about all

the bears who live out their lives without human contact. I have a

" bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the bears will hear me coming

and disappear before I get too close.

Jane

[Guest guest]

Jane wrote:

> I have a " bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the bears

> will hear me coming and disappear before I get too close.

Are you *sure* it frightens them away? They might perceive

it as a dinner bell that says, " Lunch is ready! " ;-)

Clay

[Guest guest]

No body was interested in this man, besides a couple

of Alaskan outdoorsmen-friends, an ex-girlfriend and

the teachers of the schools where he spoke (the

students looked bored), until he and his girlfriend

were eaten by one of the bears he tracked. The mauling

was news worthy, not the message.>>>

Actually he was very popular on the news and in his area, from what I've

seen a few months ago.I thought the kids just seemed awed,

K

[Guest guest]

Well Jane I try to watch anything about them thinking the nightmares may

subside.

In the end, what he did was his choice. I don't advocate or care about his

choice, its not

for me to judge. I think a lack of respect led to the deaths.

I am curious about human nature, the why behind what people do.

K

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> Kim wrote:

> >So I guess I try to face this fear, I don't mind them in zoos except for

> my

> >belief that they should be free...but watching on tv may help my phobia.

>

> How can watching a movie where a human is eaten by a bear help your

> phobia? Seems to me it would be better to watch programs about all

> the bears who live out their lives without human contact. I have a

> " bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the bears will hear me coming

> and disappear before I get too close.

>

> Jane

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[Guest guest]

> How can watching a movie where a human is eaten by a

bear help your phobia?

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1-a movie is artificial. You can watch detached.

2-in this movie the mauling is not shown. At the end

it is discussed. Never is gore shown.

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I have a

> " bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the bears will

> hear me coming

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Describe the bell.

Temple Grandin says animals have sensory reactions

similar to people who have Sensory Integration

Disorder.

A light sound that would warn a bear so your presence

doesn't startle him sounds considerate.

A loud clang seems annoying and might rile the bear's

wrath.

Are there bears in Seattle?

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I am curious about human nature, the why behind what

people do.

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Grizzly Man shows one person's nature and the why

behind his frequent treks into bear country.

It also shows the why behind the bear's mauling.

~Bonnie

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[Guest guest]

I wrote:

> I have a

> > " bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the bears will

> > hear me coming

and Bonnie responded:

>Describe the bell.

http://www.rei.com/category/4500520.htm

second item. the strap is 6 inches long.

http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_national_park/ak_katma.htm

Wear a bear bell, clap, and sing while you walk around the park:

Katmai is home to the largest protected population of brown bears in

the world, some 2,000 in all.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/travel/outdoors/

Gearing up: Give bears a chance to avoid confrontation

Backpackers and day hikers in the Sierra Nevada know to keep clear of

bears, and a good way to do that is to strap a bell to a hiking pole

or pack to warn the bear of your approach and let it stay away.

http://www.wildlife.utah.gov/news/oldarchive/july2000.htm

SALT LAKE CITY -- In August, Salt Lake City residents will have two

opportunities to learn about bears while visiting their local REI

store.

On Saturday, Aug. 5, local kids can learn about Utah's black bears at

the REI store at 3300 S. 3285 E. Audrey , wildlife education

specialist for the Division of Wildlife Resources, will host a bear

education booth and prize drawing between 11 a.m. and 4 p.m.

will discuss a number of issues, such as a recent increase in

conflicts between black bears and humans. This increase is the result

of shrinking black bear habitat in Utah and an increase in the number

of people using the back country. Because these conflicts usually

result in death for the bear, it's important for Utahns to learn

about steps they can take to minimize conflicts and help Utah's black

bear population.

Kids 18 and under are eligible for the free drawing. Prizes include a

" Bear Bag " or " Bear Bell. "

On the following Tuesday evening, Aug. 8, Jordan Pederson will give a

lecture and slide presentation at REI about Utah's black bears. His

presentation will run from 7 to 8:30 p.m.

When it comes to black bear ecology in Utah, Pederson is the man to

see, said. A 35-year employee of the Division of Wildlife

Resources, Pederson has held just about every position within the

Division, from wildlife biologist to his current position as

supervisor of the DWR's Central Region.

Pederson says the black bear is " the neatest animal on earth. " When

asked how long he has been interested in bears, he quickly answered,

" For 61 years. I was given a teddy bear at four-days-old. "

Come learn about Utah's forest-dwelling bear from a fun educational

booth and one of the top bear biologists in the state.

For more information call at .

Contact: Dykstra, DWR Conservation Outreach Intern

[Guest guest]

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> >>>Come learn about Utah's forest-dwelling bear from a fun educational

> booth and one of the top bear biologists in the state.

I am trying to believe this...Across the road from my kitchen window is a

mountain. Its pretty high, and it is pockmarked with natural caves all of

the likes that local kids have named since I was a kid: SkinnyMans Cave,

etc.

My daughter brings back the best quartz!

Anyway about ten years ago, when I had a dalmation...a policeman knocked on

the door and said to get the kids and dog inside because a bear was 'passing

through the area. "

No one ever updated us as to whether it moved through and for a while after

I was thinking it joined our coyote, fox, skunk and raccoon population. We

have some bobcat in our state too so that is just one town over...I was

thinking it liked our caves and stuck around.

I'm trying to believe that with no enemy in the wild other than mankind

(hunting, stealing their habitat) that they won't overpopulate too much.

Yes, a person should bark like a dog and otherwise make a ruckus, a noisy

one, which seems contradictory to a natural inclination not to make noise at

all. But the reverse is true.

[Guest guest]

> > I have a " bear bell " to carry when hiking, so the

bears

> will hear me coming

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http://gorp.away.com/gorp/resource/us_national_park/ak_katma.htm

> Wear a bear bell, clap, and sing while you walk

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Wow. I must have been daydreaming out the window when

this information was given out.

My first dealing with bears and bells is the joke

about hikers being advised to wear bells and the joke

ending with a statistical list of bear stomach

contents including a large number of bells.

It seems considerate to warn bears so they can keep

their privacy.

Getting back to the movie I think Grizzly Man, in his

enthusiasm, invaded bear privacy just one too many

times.

When my (Asperger's) son was a baby, you couldn't

enter the room unexpectedly without his going into

shaking and wide-eyed alarm for 30minutes or so. I

would knock on the doorframe before I entered a room

he was in.

One day, tootling in his walker, he rounded the

corner thinking he was entering an empty kitchen and

startled himself to find me standing at the sink. I

heard him coming and stopped my movement, but he still

shook, mumbled, shakily turned himself around and

exited as quickly as he could.

I guess he had to think about it, accept it, before

dealing with it. He returned as if nothing happened.

~Bonnie

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