Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a rather good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and for all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my life and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty girl instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my family as a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my disabilty.I want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and Yes to life!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 bestbuy wrote: >...I hate my disabilty.I >want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and Yes to life!!! You want to be like the normal people who teased, bullied, and ignored you? Not a very splendid ambition. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 > You want to be like the normal people who teased, bullied, and > ignored you? Not a very splendid ambition. This has got to be one of the best anti-curebie quotes I've ever heard. Brava! --Parrish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 bestbuy1002003 wrote: > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a rather > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and for > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other > people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my life > and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty girl > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my family as > a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled > american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my disabilty.I > want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and Yes to life!!! You're either a troll or you have a serious case of self-hate. If the former, go away. If the latter, I hope we can show you why you think these damaging things about yourself, and eventually change your mind. Griff -- .... Breakdown and breakthrough are the same process, seen from different angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I say this to you: If you project an attitude that you accept yourself, and screw those who don't accept you-they aren't worth it anyway...then that is picked up on, and may even draw the right kinds of people, opportunities, and life situations to you. I think most people here have 'felt' that they are discriminated against and that does suck. I figure I can walloa in it and disgust my own self with my own dismal company, or i can be proactive, that is to say do away with 'all or nothing' thinking. Example-All pretty girls are bad, My " disability " is the cause of all my woes, If I got cured I'd be suddenly 'normal' and immune to life's problems. Those aren't true. I've had crying fits and self destructive behavior as a result of what you speak of...I know I can empathize. Its a conscious choice to accept and even love oneself. The way that you are, and I am IS our normal. And that's because we really are fine the way we are. Don't allow anyone to tell you different.Good luck dealing with all these thoughts/feelings/ideas. > > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a rather > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and for > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other > people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my life > and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty girl > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my family as > a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled > american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my disabilty.I > want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and Yes to life!!! > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Yes! I like me. I like that I'm different. I don't want to be a sheep for the sake of fitting in. I'm going to keep on bein' me regardless, no matter what anyone says. The last thing I want is to be like everybody else. I've been bullied, picked on, teased, ignored... You have to be strong. And you have to be YOU. The people who enjoy making you feel uncomfortable aren't worth a damn. I understand the job situation...as in every thing else...DON'T give up. a > Agreed on all counts. I used to have the " Oh woe is me for having a > disability " attitude several years ago, which ended up getting me > nowhere, and fast. It wasn't until someone told me the following that > I realized what I could be capable of: > Â Â > Â " You can view this as one of two things, and I have to warn you, > there is no middle ground on it. You either pick one or the other. The > first view is to see it as the world chooses to. As a disability. It > means you're less capable than others, that you're somehow not good > enough to be considered normal by the standards of society. The second > view is to to use what you have in all its talents and see the world > in a way no one else can, as an individual. What you have can be a > rare gift. It is something that allowed angelo, Newton, and > Einstein to all be the people they were, not because they wanted to be > like everyone else, but because they just wanted to be themselves, and > accepted what they had as a gift. > Â Â > Â When someone asks you whether or not you're normal, reply with a > question of your own. Normal compared to what? " > > " Adam (\ " Griff\ " ) Sanford " wrote: > Â bestbuy1002003 wrote: > > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a > rather > > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and > for > > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other > > people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my > life > > and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty > girl > > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my > family as > > a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled > > american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my > disabilty.I > > want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and Yes to > life!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a rather > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and for > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other > people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my life > and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty girl > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my family > as a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled > american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my > disabilty.I want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and > Yes to life!!! If you did accept a cure, you would probably be in for a nasty shock. You would probably still be just as unhappy if not more so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 > > > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find disabilites a rather > > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as autism once and for > > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or ignored by other > > people. It would be nice actually work a good job for once in my life > > and actually make some friends.I also would like to date a pretty girl > > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be accepted by my family > > as a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is being a disabled > > american absolulety sux shit and U people know it.I hate my > > disabilty.I want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to curation and > > Yes to life!!! > > If you did accept a cure, you would probably be in for a nasty shock. > > You would probably still be just as unhappy if not more so. > > > I have had decent jobs, married a pretty woman and am accepted without being cured. I think the thing this person needs to be cured of his is self-hatred. The autism is not the problem. Jerry Newport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 --- Bourquin wrote: > I, for one, am not a disabled american... Nor am I a > disabled Australian (I > am Australian). > I don't see Autism, at least the High Functioning > sort, as a Disability. > Sure there are difficulties in life, not being able > to function " properly " > in society, not understanding many things other > people do... But most of our > troubles come from other people not understanding > us... > I've been really lucky in my life, I've made several > friends, and even have > a girlfriend whom I love dearly. And my family can > be pretty understanding. > It's when people chose not to understand, and > instead expect you to change > to their ways that life can begin to suck... > I don't want to be cured, I am Autistic. Cure the > autism, and I won't be who > I am now... I think many would agree with me on that > point. > > - GalileoAce > > On 1/31/06, bestbuy1002003 > wrote: > > > > It bothers me a lot that some people like to find > disabilites a rather > > good thing. U know what, I do want to be cured as > autism once and for > > all because I don't like to be teased,bullied or > ignored by other > > people. It would be nice actually work a good job > for once in my life > > and actually make some friends.I also would like > to date a pretty girl > > instead of bullied by them. Most of all, to be > accepted by my family as > > a normal ,mature adult OK? One thing I do know is > being a disabled > > american absolulety sux shit and U people know > it.I hate my disabilty.I > > want to be a normal mature adult. So YES to > curation and Yes to life!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Bourquie wrote: >> Not everyone sees Autism as a part of who they are... Whether or not that view point is actually correct or not..or even if the " Autism is me " viewpoint is correct, remains to be seen. << In my mind (beyond a core existence that could be characterized as a spirit or soul), my " personality " is me. Of course, my personality has changed over the years -- for better and for worse. I'm not the same person I was as a child or as a young adult. How much our personalities are formed by biology and how much by environment is an unanswerable question. But I know for sure that many of my personality traits are directly attributable to my autism. And I'm happy with that. I won't go into the positive aspects of autism. We all know what they are -- or we may have various ideas what they are. But the personality traits I see as part of my autism are the very traits I've valued most throughout life. I don't want my opinions and life choices to be controlled by a neurotypical need for social connection. I want to be accepted (or left alone) as I am. I don't want to be cured. (By the way, I think bestbuy1002003 is a troll. He sent me the same message privately several months ago. When I asked who he was, he didn't respond.) - Debra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Troll or not, i think he sparked an interesting discussion here. I don't very often reply to this list, but i wanted to for this topic... > Bourquie wrote: > >> Not everyone sees Autism as a part of who they are... Whether or > not that view point is actually correct or not..or even if > the " Autism is me " viewpoint is correct, remains to be seen. << > > > In my mind (beyond a core existence that could be characterized as a > spirit or soul), my " personality " is me. Of course, my personality > has changed over the years -- for better and for worse. I'm not the > same person I was as a child or as a young adult. > > How much our personalities are formed by biology and how much by > environment is an unanswerable question. But I know for sure that > many of my personality traits are directly attributable to my > autism. And I'm happy with that. > > I won't go into the positive aspects of autism. We all know what > they are -- or we may have various ideas what they are. But the > personality traits I see as part of my autism are the very traits > I've valued most throughout life. > > I don't want my opinions and life choices to be controlled by a > neurotypical need for social connection. I want to be accepted (or > left alone) as I am. > > I don't want to be cured. > > (By the way, I think bestbuy1002003 is a troll. He sent me the same > message privately several months ago. When I asked who he was, he > didn't respond.) > > - Debra > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 debra wrote: >In my mind (beyond a core existence that could be characterized as a >spirit or soul), my " personality " is me. Of course, my personality >has changed over the years -- for better and for worse. I'm not the >same person I was as a child or as a young adult. Interesting. " Not the same, " true. But " not the same person " ? I wonder. I feel like the same person I've always been. My knowledge and experience have changed a lot. But I feel changed by that, not totally transformed into a different person. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 At 01:57 PM 2/4/2006, Bourquin wrote: >Troll or not, i think he sparked an interesting discussion here. I >don't very often reply to this list, but i wanted to for this topic... I have been following the discussion with interest as well. I have a notion that I would love to hear your opinions on. I've been running into this with some of the " under the radar " Aspies I have met as well. It seems to me that the people who are most unhappy with being autistic or the thought of being autistic are the ones who are trying the hardest to appear " normal " . When the person gets to the point that they realize that normal doesn't really exist and that for them, being autistic is normal, and they stop constantly pushing themselves and feeling guilty for what they are not, it seems that they do a lot better. That has definitely been the case for me. I got a formal diagnosis, and what a load of misery it was off me. I was no longer guilty of a defective character, I simply had a readily identifiable constellation of traits that could be worked with in such a way that, just like any " normal " person, I could have the kind of life I wanted to have. I think when I was younger, I would have wanted desperately to be " cured " , but at 43, having had a lot more opportunity to observe people and the things they do, I wouldn't want that at all. It seems to be almost a form of what's often called " magical thinking " , in that the person seizes on the idea that " if only I wasn't Aspie/Autistic/different I would be happy. " Of course, in a younger person, they don't have the life experience to have seen lots of perfectly " normal " people who are equally unhappy over their life, their weight, their looks, their marriage choices, their jobs... lots of people are unhappy and fall prey to that same kind of thinking. And for an autistic person thinking this way, just as with a " normal " person, the solution is to give up the idea that there is one magical thing that will make everything okay and start from where you are to make things better for yourself in the ways that work with who you are instead of against. Has anyone else found this to be true? Z http://zola.livejournal.com/ " What are we going to do tonight, Brain? " " The same thing we do every night, Pinky. We're going to try to take over the world!! " ---Pinky and the Brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 Zola wrote: >It seems to be almost a form of what's often called " magical thinking " , in >that the person seizes on the idea that " if only I wasn't >Aspie/Autistic/different I would be happy. " >Of course, in a younger person, they don't have the life experience to have >seen lots of perfectly " normal " people who are equally unhappy over their >life, their weight, their looks, their marriage choices, their jobs... Yes. I think my oldest sister's first marriage was a case of " magical thinking. " She thought being married would make her " a grown up " and that many problems would disappear automatically as a result. Of course, that wasn't true. (It was a mess.) I also agree that fixating on one element that supposedly will bring happiness is pretty well guaranteed to lock a person into unhappiness. For instance, I've met young autie men who want a girl friend more than anything in the world. But being focused on wanting a girl friend makes them unable to interact with young women (even most auties) in a way that would bring about the kind of friendship/relationship they want. Looking for a " solution " (for a unit to plug into one's life, so to speak) can prevent a person from perceiving what's already there to be worked with. And a determined focus on a search for a " solution " is likely to make a person boring for others. Interesting people are those who are interested (in whatever). A person so has " narrow interests " (according to non-autistics' standards) is much more likely to be able find someone else who shares those interests if s/he is engaged in/with those interests (rather than engaged in a tunnel-eyed search for " the solution " or " the cure " ). Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Jane wrote: >> Interesting. " Not the same, " true. But " not the same person " ? I wonder. I feel like the same person I've always been. My knowledge and experience have changed a lot. But I feel changed by that, not totally transformed into a different person. << I don't know if it's just a phase I'm going through, but lately I feel detached from the person I used to be. On a more general note, I feel there are experiences, physical and emotional, that permanently change a person. Sometimes that change is considered positive -- maturation or progress. But it can also be negative. Back to the personal, that change can take away the things you love about a person -- the reason my marriage ended. Changing the topic somehwat: Change has always been an issue in my life. (I can give you a whole list of songs about change.) I become very involved in a cause or an activity (special interest?) and then I change (move to another special interest?). That generally means leaving people behind. Only as I've gotten older have I found a few friends who can accept and appreciate the variety in my life. - Debra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 > I have a notion that I would love to hear your opinions on. I've > been running into this with some of the " under the radar " Aspies I > have met as well. It seems to me that the people who are most > unhappy with being autistic or the thought of being autistic are > the ones who are trying the hardest to appear " normal " . I have noticed that some of the ones who are most unhappy with autistic, are also those who *have* the ability to pass, somewhat, but not quite. Because it seems to them like just a minor change (even though it would have to be a pretty fundamental one). (Last time I said this, someone said " But I can pass and I'm happy being autistic. " To be clear, this isn't universal, just a tendency I've noticed.) > It seems to be almost a form of what's often called " magical > thinking " , in that the person seizes on the idea that " if only I > wasn't Aspie/Autistic/different I would be happy. " > Of course, in a younger person, they don't have the life experience > to have seen lots of perfectly " normal " people who are equally > unhappy over their life, their weight, their looks, their marriage > choices, their jobs... lots of people are unhappy and fall prey to > that same kind of thinking. And for an autistic person thinking > this way, just as with a " normal " person, the solution is to give > up the idea that there is one magical thing that will make > everything okay and start from where you are to make things better > for yourself in the ways that work with who you are instead of > against. > Has anyone else found this to be true? Yes. I was just talking about it to a friend the other day. We were discussing how nearly everyone has things they want to do, and yet are not very good at. Lots of people with no talent at basketball wish they were basketball stars. Etc. Most people also come to some realization at some point in their life that they're not going to be everything they've ever wanted to be. (Some also come to the realization that who they thought they wanted to be was shaped by a lot of widespread prejudices about who is valuable, or a desire to belong or be looked up to, or other things like that.) And yet, if you are disabled, the dream you are supposed to have, is to be as like the non-disabled " ideal " as possible, and to continually strive against your nature to become something you are not, while ignoring the value in who you are, as you are, already. Growth, for us, is not considered to be the *ways in which we can actually grow*, but it's considered to be " approximate normalcy at all costs " . If we rebel against this ideal, we are said to be rebelling against growing and changing as people, even if this ideal actually stunts our natural form of growth. There's nothing wrong with trying things you're not good at, of course. I've got a weird obsession with trying to learn languages, and I'm horrible at them. But I'm not staking my worth as a person on my ability to learn languages (and it's a good thing, too). But it seems like if I were following the " strive towards normal " model of most people's heads about disability, I would be expected to dedicate all my spare time and energy to learning foreign languages, even if it got nowhere, burned me out, and took away from my other interests. And I bet it would be considered " only natural " for me to do that, when in a non-disabled person doing the equivalent thing would probably be considered irresponsible. The desire for a cure seems to stem from the same general things that most people are dissatisfied with, only if you're autistic, or otherwise disabled, you can pin all your dissatisfaction on the attributes of yourself that society views as horrible anyway. (Sort of like some women believe they'll only be " confident " with bigger breasts, when if they had big breasts already, they'd have probably found something else.) But the message that *all* disabled people get, as far as I can tell, is that even if we are not ever going to be 'normal', we should be brought as close to 'normalcy' as possible, and if we reject this goal, we are rejecting life and growth and a number of other things. That message is a lie, but it's what we're all told in one way or another. When I was housebound in the past due to pain and motor/stamina problems, I was told that it was better to be housebound and walking, than get out of the house, and have a wheelchair. I opted for the wheelchair and have never regretted it. The " normalcy brigade " certainly put up a fight against it, though, even though I was well past the point of needing it. Because it doesn't look normal. There was once a drug someone prescribed, for a condition I wasn't sure I had, and the drug had a number of heart-related side effects that I was sure could cause problems for me. I told my doctor that I did not think the potential risks were worth the potential benefits. My doctor wrote a long letter to my mother, about how I was throwing my life away, how all my friends would leave me, how I needed to fight against my disability (again, one I don't think I actually *had*) and not " give in " to it, how I needed my family to encourage me to take this drug because it was clear that I was not thinking rationally and would only cause eternal misery for myself. The predicted eternal misery has not arrived, but I'm sure if I subscribed to his view of the world, it would be here, because I would be, as I was when my mother had more control over my life, trying treatment after treatment, getting sick from all the treatments, and not being helped enough by most of them for it to be worth it. And constantly striving to be something I was not, which would make anyone miserable. I discovered that, in regards to autism, too, I simply don't have the energy to try to be something I'm not. I could work very hard at doing exactly one " normal " task, and that would be all I could do. And some people would prefer that life for me, but I don't. I also know that some things are so far beyond my capabilities that attempting them would be ludicrous and a waste of time. Which, in a non-disabled person, would be considered maturity, but in a disabled person, is considered stagnation. The idea that I have other ways in which I grow, and other reasons for finding myself and other people of value, is not considered in all this. I'm just told that I'm choosing pain and misery. If that's true, I wonder why pain and misery have gotten so much less since deciding this, and real growth has happened that was not possible before. I hope that this rambling on this topic has made sense. There is a main point, I just don't know how to say it shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 > >> Interesting. " Not the same, " true. But " not the same person " ? I > wonder. I feel like the same person I've always been. My knowledge > and experience have changed a lot. But I feel changed by that, not > totally transformed into a different person. << > I don't know if it's just a phase I'm going through, but lately I > feel detached from the person I used to be. > On a more general note, I feel there are experiences, physical and > emotional, that permanently change a person. Sometimes that change > is considered positive -- maturation or progress. But it can also > be negative. I've been thinking lately about adolescence. I never really knew what it *was* before, like what happened to the brain during that period. I was talking to a friend about this time in my life when a lot of change happened, and she knew immediately from my description that it must have been adolescence. She said that the child brain starts turning into an adult brain and totally reconfiguring some things. I had, for a long time, been unable to even think about the onset of adolescence without re-experiencing some of the confusion involved, and wondering if things really happened that happened around then. A lot of it was that I did feel like a whole different person. My friend said that the changes I experienced were more drastic than most people experience (a web search on my part showed this is probably true -- I saw a lot of " see a neurologist if... " about my kind of changes), but that some amount of that kind of change is normal. (I wasn't aware enough of other kids to see how they were changing.) In my case, the change was so much that it felt like... like stepping out your door and falling into the air. I had awareness and abilities that I'd never had before. And at the same time, I had a lot of things I had been able to do with a lot of effort, that were now completely vanished, and trying to do them provoked shutdown, meltdown, etc. I looked -- outwardly -- much more obviously autistic. It was like I was handed a near-complete reconfiguration of my abilities, the world was now even more unpredictable than it had been before, and I really didn't know how to deal with it at all. From the outside, it apparently looked like I went from a stereotype of " somewhat high functioning " to a stereotype of " relatively low functioning " overnight. What I heard from professionals really didn't help matters, and this is where I wish professionals knew more about autistic adolescence. I was immediately sent to neurologists and psychiatrists and so forth because of the drastic changes in my abilities and behavior. They came to the conclusion that my brain might be degenerating in some way. This needless to say scared the crap out of me. They told me (or rather, said in front of me, since most of them didn't talk to me directly) that I was " regressing, " which meant " growing backwards, " and the images this conjured up for me were less than pleasant. Their predictions for my future were pretty bleak too, and heavily grounded in the attitude that certain abilities are the only key to success or happiness. There were also a lot of people who said that I was no longer the person I was, and that the old person, the person I'd been, needed to be brought back. They had this image in their imagination, of a more neurotypical-like developmental timeline. They visualized the person that they had thought I was, " progressing " along this timeline. They visualized that person trapped behind the new person I was. They visualized " freeing " that person. This taught me that my value as the person I was *right then* was lower than dirt. They tried really hard to get me to act like that other person, with only tiny amounts of " success " before I started acting like myself again, and of course acting like myself, they called backsliding. They were so determined to pull an imaginary me out of a hole or something, that they could not see me at all. When they looked at me they just saw the trap that someone else -- a non-existent someone else -- was in. What I needed at that point, was to be guided through adolescence, autistic-style. Most teenagers are guided through adolescence by adults who understand their form of adolescence. If you're one of the fairly large number of autistic teenagers who have the kind of adolescence I did, instead of guidance, you get concerted attempts to rescue a person who no longer exists if they ever did. There was no need to terrify me, or undoubtedly the many other people who experienced something similar, and yet that's what they did, because they didn't understand the ways in which some of us change. So it was uncharted territory and often regarded as the opposite of growth, despite the fact that I was growing all along. So I had a very rocky adolescence, and a real sense that I was now a different person, because of the apparent total reconfiguration of everything. I like the person I've become. I don't know if I can be said to be a " whole different person " to the person I was before those changes, but she's certainly alien to me. Of course, the person I was before institutions is also alien to me. But while it was a very scary process, and some elements of change are inherently scary, I don't think it needed to be quite as scary as it was. There was no preparation made for it, no explanations made beyond the idea that my brain was mysteriously disintegrating, and no real guidance from adults or anyone else who knew what was going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 wrote: >There's nothing wrong with trying things you're not good at, of >course. I've got a weird obsession with trying to learn languages, >and I'm horrible at them. But I'm not staking my worth as a person on >my ability to learn languages (and it's a good thing, too). > >But it seems like if I were following the " strive towards normal " >model of most people's heads about disability, I would be expected to >dedicate all my spare time and energy to learning foreign languages, >even if it got nowhere, burned me out, and took away from my other >interests. > >And I bet it would be considered " only natural " for me to do that, >when in a non-disabled person doing the equivalent thing would >probably be considered irresponsible. Interesting. My obsession with trying to learn languages (even though it's something I'm terrible at, and even though there probably are things I could learn much more easily) is accepted as " good " by the people where I work. But I think that's because they assume I am learning the language in the same way and for the same reasons as they would. And I'm not. For them, the reason to learn a language is to be able to use it with other people. You learn a language and then you go to the part of the world where that language is spoken and you " get to know " people there (either just to do it, because getting to know people is a major Good Thing in itself, or as part of some other project, academic or humanitarian or even economic). It doesn't occur to them that it is the learning itself (and the language itself) that I want/enjoy. If I could learn " pure " (written) Persian, I'd prefer to. We are getting increasing amounts of emphasis on colloquial Persian (irritatingly different from written), and I'll just have to put up with that, because there are no classes designed from someone like me. If I tried to follow the NT model in this instance (the model assumed by those where I work), I'd feel like I was committing suicide. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 At 12:43 PM 2/5/2006, alfamanda wrote: >(Last time I said this, someone said " But I can pass and I'm happy >being autistic. " To be clear, this isn't universal, just a tendency >I've noticed.) I think that is absolutely true. I've met a number of ones who " pass " , and it seems as though the more they try to tell themselves they are " normal " , the unhappier they are. I can " pass " too, if you don't look to closely, but it wasn't until I acknowledged what was really going on that I started to feel better. I'm also noticing that I have more friends now, not less, since " coming out " , because now that I am not trying to pretend I'm something I'm not, I am giving people an opportunity to actually know me, and overall, most are pretty accepting. It's very hard to put into words... I have graduated from the negative " weird " to the more amusing " quirky " I guess is the best way to say it. What I mean is that I cope differently and I don't act the same as NT's. So when I was trying to pretend I was an NT, something was " off " about my behavior, and many people got a sense that I was dishonest or hiding something. And that's true, that's exactly what I was doing. So now, a person gets who I actually am. It doesn't bother me to tell someone whose opinion I value about not making eye contact and stuff, so instead of that lack being interpreted as " dishonesty " , now it's " just Zola being Zola " because my differentness is no longer a threat, it's just traits and no longer worthy of being concerned about. A kind of simple parallel would be when people get to understand cultural differences and become tolerant and relaxed. For example, there is an Indian (from India) dude who runs a store I go to a lot. One night one of his relatives was there working and he called me " Grandmother " . Someone who knew nothing about it might have been horribly insulted, being called " Grandmother " at 43, but from him, it was intended as a mark of politeness and respect. Different culture, different forms of address. It startled me, but then I just shrugged and took it as intended. I think that many of the differences that used to seem to plague me are precisely the same. If I'm not desperately trying to pretend they aren't there, and another person sees that it's just something that arises from the fact that I don't process the world the same, the differences get the same reaction, a shrug and taking it for what is intended. While it would be nice if NT's were more tolerant overall, I'm enough of a pragmatist that to me, the value of taking a moment to explain to someone yields so many benefits that I will do so readily. I've had the opportunity to meet many different kinds of people, in fact, I kind of like people in controlled doses, and if I take the time to educate them a little, that might make all the difference in the world for another autistic person they meet later because they will no longer have that kneejerk reaction of rejecting differentness. >Yes. > >I was just talking about it to a friend the other day. > >We were discussing how nearly everyone has things they want to do, and >yet are not very good at. Lots of people with no talent at basketball >wish they were basketball stars. Etc. > >Most people also come to some realization at some point in their life >that they're not going to be everything they've ever wanted to be. >(Some also come to the realization that who they thought they wanted >to be was shaped by a lot of widespread prejudices about who is >valuable, or a desire to belong or be looked up to, or other things >like that.) > >And yet, if you are disabled, the dream you are supposed to have, is >to be as like the non-disabled " ideal " as possible, and to continually >strive against your nature to become something you are not, while >ignoring the value in who you are, as you are, already. > >Growth, for us, is not considered to be the *ways in which we can >actually grow*, but it's considered to be " approximate normalcy at all >costs " . If we rebel against this ideal, we are said to be rebelling >against growing and changing as people, even if this ideal actually >stunts our natural form of growth. > >There's nothing wrong with trying things you're not good at, of >course. I've got a weird obsession with trying to learn languages, >and I'm horrible at them. But I'm not staking my worth as a person on >my ability to learn languages (and it's a good thing, too). > >But it seems like if I were following the " strive towards normal " >model of most people's heads about disability, I would be expected to >dedicate all my spare time and energy to learning foreign languages, >even if it got nowhere, burned me out, and took away from my other >interests. Part of it I think is honestly motivated in that the people around us want us to have as many opportunities as anyone else does, but all too often it becomes acting " normal " for " normal's " sake, and I agree, it's counterproductive. And a complete waste because the person ends up so fixated on this one thing that they don't have the time left to find out what they are really good at and their talents and abilities remain untapped, which is in my opinion a waste. >And I bet it would be considered " only natural " for me to do that, >when in a non-disabled person doing the equivalent thing would >probably be considered irresponsible. > >The desire for a cure seems to stem from the same general things that >most people are dissatisfied with, only if you're autistic, or >otherwise disabled, you can pin all your dissatisfaction on the >attributes of yourself that society views as horrible anyway. (Sort >of like some women believe they'll only be " confident " with bigger >breasts, when if they had big breasts already, they'd have probably >found something else.) > >But the message that *all* disabled people get, as far as I can tell, >is that even if we are not ever going to be 'normal', we should be >brought as close to 'normalcy' as possible, and if we reject this >goal, we are rejecting life and growth and a number of other things. > >That message is a lie, but it's what we're all told in one way or another. Yes, and I agree with the pinning it all on one obvious thing. I came out on a forum as Aspie, and I was horrified when one of the kids came to me privately and identified himself to me as a fellow Aspie, and Goddess, he *hated* that part of himself. He doesn't so much any more, I've worked hard to present a more positive image to him as an Aspie who is successful and independent on her own without lifting a finger to be normal at all, but I shudder to think of the kind of crap he had to be getting from his family to be so against his own self. >When I was housebound in the past due to pain and motor/stamina >problems, I was told that it was better to be housebound and walking, >than get out of the house, and have a wheelchair. I opted for the >wheelchair and have never regretted it. The " normalcy brigade " >certainly put up a fight against it, though, even though I was well >past the point of needing it. Because it doesn't look normal. Exactly. No matter that maybe you'd want to get out of the house once in a while... ugh, that kind of crap drives me nuts. >There was once a drug someone prescribed, for a condition I wasn't >sure I had, and the drug had a number of heart-related side effects >that I was sure could cause problems for me. I told my doctor that I >did not think the potential risks were worth the potential benefits. > >My doctor wrote a long letter to my mother, about how I was throwing >my life away, how all my friends would leave me, how I needed to fight >against my disability (again, one I don't think I actually *had*) and >not " give in " to it, how I needed my family to encourage me to take >this drug because it was clear that I was not thinking rationally and >would only cause eternal misery for myself. > >The predicted eternal misery has not arrived, but I'm sure if I >subscribed to his view of the world, it would be here, because I would >be, as I was when my mother had more control over my life, trying >treatment after treatment, getting sick from all the treatments, and >not being helped enough by most of them for it to be worth it. And >constantly striving to be something I was not, which would make anyone >miserable. > >I discovered that, in regards to autism, too, I simply don't have the >energy to try to be something I'm not. I could work very hard at >doing exactly one " normal " task, and that would be all I could do. >And some people would prefer that life for me, but I don't. I also >know that some things are so far beyond my capabilities that >attempting them would be ludicrous and a waste of time. > >Which, in a non-disabled person, would be considered maturity, but in >a disabled person, is considered stagnation. The idea that I have >other ways in which I grow, and other reasons for finding myself and >other people of value, is not considered in all this. I'm just told >that I'm choosing pain and misery. If that's true, I wonder why pain >and misery have gotten so much less since deciding this, and real >growth has happened that was not possible before. Yes, YES, YES! That is *precisely* what has happened to me. When I realized right around the time I was diagnosed that I am aurally hypersensitive, I got a pair of noise-reduction headphones. At first it was " You're just using them to go off into your own little world and IGNORE everyone " , but as my stress levels dropped and I became a lot more relaxed and pleasant to be around, suddenly it was " Oh, go ahead and put your headphones on, I won't take offense! I know it's noisy in here. " They figured out that I wasn't shutting out THEM, I was shutting out the NOISE. And instead of having all this energy going into staying calm and not biting people's heads off and fighting to concentrate on everything, my productivity and ability to stay on task soared. >I hope that this rambling on this topic has made sense. There is a >main point, I just don't know how to say it shortly. You're making perfect sense to me. A few years ago, there was a special on the Thalidomide babies on TLC or the Discovery channel, and one of the Thalidomide adults said something that stayed with me to this day. He was talking about another girl he knew born without arms. He talked about how she struggled with the prostheses, which weren't comfortable and weren't nearly as effective as her using her feet, and how hundreds of thousands of dollars had been spent in physical therapy and materials and training her to use these not because they were more useful to her, but because they made the people around her more comfortable to look at her. When it becomes about everyone else's ease and convenience and comfort, we have a problem. Z http://zola.livejournal.com/ " What are we going to do tonight, Brain? " " The same thing we do every night, Pinky. We're going to try to take over the world!! " ---Pinky and the Brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Zola wrote: >...A few years ago, there was a special on >the Thalidomide babies on TLC or the Discovery channel, and one of the >Thalidomide adults said something that stayed with me to this day. He was >talking about another girl he knew born without arms. He talked about how >she struggled with the prostheses, which weren't comfortable and weren't >nearly as effective as her using her feet, and how hundreds of thousands of >dollars had been spent in physical therapy and materials and training her >to use these not because they were more useful to her, but because they >made the people around her more comfortable to look at her. I used to know a woman who as a child was partially sighted. Her father used to slap her hands if she felt for something (felt around to find what she wanted to pick up), because it made her " look blind. " Fact is, she was bound to end up blind if she lived long enough (she did), and even with partial sight it often was easier to feel-for rather than look-for. She turned out to be a very independent person, free of all that ableist crap. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 > A few years ago, there was a special on the Thalidomide babies on > TLC or the Discovery channel, and one of the Thalidomide adults > said something that stayed with me to this day. He was > talking about another girl he knew born without arms. He talked > about how she struggled with the prostheses, which weren't > comfortable and weren't nearly as effective as her using her feet, > and how hundreds of thousands of dollars had been spent in physical > therapy and materials and training her to use these not because > they were more useful to her, but because they made the people > around her more comfortable to look at her. There's a performance artist named Duffy who was born without arms because of Thalidomide. She does one relatively famous performance in which she poses naked as the Venus de Milo and recites some things. I have part of it on a tape (that has a lot of other people's performances on it as well), along with interviews with her. This is part of that: ***begin quote*** [this part was where she was doing the nude performance] You have words to describe me that I find frightening. Everytime I hear them they are whispered or screamed silently wordlessly from the front to middle-page spreads of newspapers, only you dare to speak them out loud. I look for them in my dictionary and I only find some. The words you use to describe me are " congenital malformation. " In my child's dictionary I learn that the first part means " born with " . How many times have I answered that question? " Were you born like that? Or did your mother take them dreadful tablets? " How come I always felt ashamed when answering those big staring eyes and gaping mouths? " Did you have an accident? Or did your mother take them dreadful tablets? " With those big words those doctors used, they didn't have any that fitted me properly. I felt even in the face of such opposition that my body was the way it was supposed to be, that it was right for me, as well as being whole, complete, and functional. [then it cut to an interview with her] I mean the first thing he said to me was that I must be very angry towards the medical profession, and that they had a lot to answer for. And I just felt that that was going to affect how he treated me. And I had to deal with that and talk to him about it. And that then led me back to how I felt I'd been objectified by the medical profession in general, and I wasn't able to talk back. And particularly about how they made decisions and comments about my future as if I wasn't there. And speaking to a dictaphone and describing my future as if I was incapable of comprehending. [then it cut back to the nude performance] Today I'm winning battles every day against my own monster, my inner critic, who has internalized all my childhood oppressions. The oppression of constantly trying to be fixed, to be changed, to be made more whole, less visible, to hide and to be hidden. ***end quote*** There's other stuff she said on that video, a lot of other stuff, that's just the part that seems relevant to this discussion. There's another part where she describes being asked to draw a person symbol for a class project, and her teachers freaked out because her person symbol, like her, didn't have arms, and was using her feet for gestures. They apparently thought that she shouldn't think about the fact that she didn't have arms at all (?!?) because this would cause her a nervous breakdown or something. I think autistic people often forget that we're not the only ones who experience this pressure to be cured, and to be made to function in " normal " ways even when they don't work for us. I had been going to bring up the forced prosthesis thing and I think I forgot. (I've gotten yelled at, by the way, by medical professionals, for saying that not everyone likes or functions better with prostheses. I believe I was told that I was a " dangerous moral relativist " , that medicine dictated that prostheses were *always* better, and that as laypeople, people without assorted limbs shouldn't be consulted on the matter because what would they know. Bizarre.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 > Perhaps, Zola. But haven't you ever wanted to do something that you > can't? Whether that be speaking, or an activity, or go out, but you > can't? Like your body is in complete opposition to what you want to > do. Everyone at some point in their life wants to do things that they can't do. Sometimes, the main thing blocking them is that they haven't trained their body or mind enough to do it. Some may decide not to do it because they want to do other things, and some get athletic training, or schooling, or practice, or some other thing, until their skills improve enough to do it. Sometimes, the main thing blocking them is that the world is set up so that people like them (women, disabled people, people of color, etc) aren't given the opportunities to do it, aren't expected to be able to (even if in either the same or a modified form they'd be able to do it), etc. Some will do other things, some will fight in one form or another for their right to participate in these activities, whatever they are, rather than be blocked out of them. Interesting thing on that last one being that many people mistake the way they are (female, disabled, etc) for an automatic reason that they can't do whatever it is, because it's not set up for them, so they start blaming being female or disabled or whatever even though that's *not* really what's preventing them. And sometimes, it's really something that's beyond their ability to do, or beyond their ability to do well. This is as close to a universal human experience as you're going to get. It's not limited to autistic people or even to disabled people. Lots of people dream of being basketball stars, as I said, and almost nobody actually *is* one, and most people don't have the abilities for it. But, as I also said, when you're a non-disabled person, dreaming of being something you're not, at some point, even though you might fantasize about it, you kind of realize that this is something you're not going to be able to do. You might play basketball in your yard or something, and watch games, and imagine yourself being Jordan, but you don't mourn for the rest of your life that you're not a basketball star, and you don't let it define a desire to be " cured " . I play hammered dulcimer. I'm not too awful, but I'm not too great. Once I saw Masely playing in the middle of Santa Cruz. I stopped and watched him. Hammered dulcimers are played, normally, by striking strings with two hammers, one in each hand. He had strapped hammers to every finger and was playing one like that. I don't have anywhere near the coordination to play that way, and I found him amazing, and I wished I could do it like him, and I still sometimes imagine myself doing it like him. But like most other hammered dulcimer players, I can dream, but I'm never going to be a Masely. I know this, and knowing this is part of what most people call maturity and responsibility and so forth. On the other hand, I used to be truly good at climbing trees. I could just do it without thinking, and I loved to do it. Due to assorted disabilities, it's no longer safe for me to climb trees. I still enjoy watching them, but I can't physically climb them. I sometimes imagine myself doing so, but it's not realistically going to happen in the near future, maybe never, and I don't really mourn about it. I know this, but I am pressured to view it as more of a loss than the fact that I'm no Masely. I have no particular desire for speech, and that on its own is viewed as some kind of sacrilege. I have no desire to do something just because it's what non-disabled people imagine I should want. I fluctuate from relatively agile to completely immobile, from relatively intellectually capable to lacking what non-autistic people call intellect, from understanding some part of my surroundings very well to lacking what non-autistic people call understanding, and at no point in all this (when capable of " viewing myself " at all in the sense that most people mean it) do I view myself and what I can't do in terms of just needing to be fixed. (Yet, I am pressured to do exactly that.) Someone recently told me that she couldn't imagine one thing I experience on a regular basis, because she couldn't imagine losing as much of her life as she does when she experiences it sometimes. And I thought about the amount of time I spend flat on my back, and I thought about the idea of this as losing a chunk of my life, and I just can't see it that way. I know that the world is conditioned to see it this way, but it's not how you experience it once you get rid of the conditioning. (There are things most people miss, too, by not spending that amount of time flat on their back, although they don't realize it.) But as far as the non-disabled world is concerned, the blind are supposed to dream of being able to see to almost the exclusion of all else no matter how happy and accessible their lives are, the deaf are supposed to dream of being able to hear to almost the exclusion of all else no matter how happy and accessible their lives are, the mute are supposed to dream of being able to talk to almost the exclusion of all else no matter how happy and accessible their lives are... and the same goes for people who can't walk, autistic people, lots of other people. We're not supposed to analyze " How much of this is inaccessibility and a society structured to leave me out, how much of this is lack of experience and training, how much of the rest of my life should I be willing to give up for that experience and training, how much of this is prejudice, and how much of this is just plain unrealistic? " We're supposed instead to " never give up hope " for a cure -- something that, if we were not disabled, would be considered immature and irresponsible in the same sort of situation. Imagine a really bad basketball player holding out against everything else in her life waiting for assorted body and brain modifications to make her as talented as Jordan (who also had to work hard to get where he was, but if he wasn't that talented, all the hard work in the world wouldn't have gotten him there). So I fight inaccessibility when I see it, and I also recognize that there are a lot of things I am never going to do, and there is no difference to me between the ones that are because of what society calls disability, and the ones that are because of what society calls just being a regular person (although I certainly note that many things I am said to be unable to do because of disability, are really because of prejudice and inaccessibility, and in those case I fight *those* things). The only times an apparent difference seems to creep into my mind, I get rather suspicious because I know it's arbitrary. So yes, I sometimes dream about being able to do things I can't do. Nearly everyone on the planet does that. And I handle those dreams the way nearly everyone on the planet does, rather than the destructive way most people expect me to handle some of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 wrote: >On the other hand, I used to be truly good at climbing trees. I could >just do it without thinking, and I loved to do it. Due to assorted >disabilities, it's no longer safe for me to climb trees. I still >enjoy watching them, but I can't physically climb them. My Persian class recently was introduced to a new form of pluralizing. The text book says " Substantives denoting animate beings, parts of the body that occur in pairs, and a few other nouns (determined by idiomatic usage) form their plurals " in this way (by adding a particular suffix). The examples that follow are: men, Iranians, hands, trees. :-) Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 > That's not quite what I meant. It's very different from such stuff > as wanting to be something you can't be, or wanting to be able to > do stuff you are unable to do because you lack the skill. From what > you say, you've experienced what I'm talking about. It's a > division. You know what to do but while one part of you says yes, > the other is saying no. It's not like wanting to be a basketball > star and being unable to. It's not about comparing yourself. Like > thinking something, thinking you should say it, but your mouth > won't open. A self-division. Like knowing the place needs cleaning, > but unable to start. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. > Wanting to be a basketballer but not having the sporting skill is > quite different to that. Perhaps, since you've lived with those > things for a long time, you're accustomed to those problems and it > doesn't feel like a divide. But it's very recent for me, or the > awareness of it, and in my mind, it feels very much like a > division. What, though, if the powerful people in the world consisted entirely of people who were really good at basketball? (Stranger things have happened.) Then people would experience the desire to play basketball, vs. their inability, as a horrible division like that. The ideas inside of us that divide what is " divisions " like that (wanting to and not being able to do something), and what is " just normal and not even comparable " (wanting to be a basketball star and lacking shooting skills), is determined largely by what we're used to. If we're used to people (or at least powerful, useful, valued people) being able to get words out with a certain amount of ease, then our desire to be like them is just 'normal' and 'from nowhere' as far as we can tell, even though it's not. (For that matter, not wanting to be like them can be viewed by many as unhealthy, or even impossible.) It's only that way because that's how the world we happen to live in right now happens to work. It would be the exact same way if basketball skills were what were so prized (and, perhaps, speech was not prized at all, and we had people who couldn't type or speak, but who were superb basketball players, viewed as more valuable than people who could type well AND speak well AND not play basketball to save their lives... and the world would be set up for the needs of the non-speaking non-typing basketball experts, but not for the speaking typing basketball dunces). I know it sounds ludicrous, but that's only because we're immersed in a world that does value us less, and doesn't elevate even basketball stars to the level that speech/typing/etc are put at (our world would also make it very difficult for a basketball expert without speech or typing abilities to *become* a basketball star, even if they had the talent -- and I've seen highly talented basketball players who lack those other abilities, so it's not an out of nowhere example). It can be really easy to assume that any of our thoughts and feelings just arise naturally, inside of us, without influence, but in reality, nobody is *that* cut off from the world. And it can be really easy (especially in several aspects of some disturbing bits of culture we have floating around us, the " if it's a feeling it can't possibly be wrong " stuff) to assume that we can't or shouldn't ever change what we think or feel, when that isn't true either. I've had urges to just pick up an instrument and play something that's way way way out of my potential skill range. And I've had urges to just open my mouth and have coherent words come out that are somewhat aligned with what I am thinking. Equally strong urges, equally frustrating in that moment. But I'm taught to look at those two moments differently: I'm taught not to make myself miserable or try to " cure " myself over the first, but I'm taught to make myself miserable and desire a " cure " over the second. And you say they're different, and I really can't see how except in terms of the ways that we're *taught* to feel about them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 At 10:27 AM 2/8/2006, shea laver wrote: >That's not quite what I meant. It's very different from such stuff as >wanting to be something you can't be, or wanting to be able to do stuff >you are unable to do because you lack the skill. From what you say, you've >experienced what I'm talking about. It's a division. You know what to do >but while one part of you says yes, the other is saying no. It's not like >wanting to be a basketball star and being unable to. It's not about >comparing yourself. Like thinking something, thinking you should say it, >but your mouth won't open. A self-division. Like knowing the place needs >cleaning, but unable to start. I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. >Wanting to be a basketballer but not having the sporting skill is quite >different to that. Perhaps, since you've lived with those things for a >long time, you're accustomed to those problems and it doesn't feel like a >divide. But it's very recent for me, or the awareness of it, and in my >mind, it feels very much like a division. For what it is worth, that sort of " stopping " is directly associated with overloading myself. I just had it happen a few nights ago--I'm trying to pack up a whole house full of stuff to make a long-distance move, and I had a big fight with my teenage daughter in which I was informed I had failed as a mother. That sounds awful, but it's actually a pretty normal teenager thing, we're moving and she's unhappy about it and slopping over all over the place. But the whole enormity of the chore plus emotional distress shut me down like flipping a switch. I didn't worry about it because it's very predictable. If I push, it gets worse, so I only push if it is life or death. I gave myself the rest of the evening to rest. I went to bed and got a good night's sleep. I was still somewhat shut down in the morning, so I took it nice and slow. I did simple things, one at a time, instead of complicated ones. When I have a task to do and don't know where to begin, I find one small piece of it that I can handle and I don't worry about it. For example, if I was shutting down over trying to clean my house, I would zoom in on one small area and do ONE thing and only concentrate on that for until I was done, taking breaks as needed. If it was my kitchen that was a pigsty, say, I would start with the sink. If it was really bad, I would wash five dishes only, and rest for a little bit. A little while later I would get up, put those five away, and do five more. And I would keep at it until it was done, one small, easily handled chunk at a time. Unless the situation is drastic, the combination of giving my brain a break and then starting out with small, easily achievable tasks will usually heal the inertia within a day. I was completely shut down, and yet, yesterday, I ended up cleaning my kitchen, getting my laundry done, sorting through stuff in preparation to packing it and taking care of a wealth of minor stuff like making phone calls related to the move and generally getting prepared for it. So doing what I wanted to do wasn't about getting rid of autism, it was about finding a method that worked for me. Now that I have it, I spend much less time in inertia because I don't add load to overload any more. Z http://zola.livejournal.com/ " What are we going to do tonight, Brain? " " The same thing we do every night, Pinky. We're going to try to take over the world!! " ---Pinky and the Brain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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