Re: Feel like my recovery is going backwards, not forward

[Guest guest]

Kathy, which supplements are you taking for anxiety?

Maybe try to look at your life at the moment, if your nutrition is

good, is there anything really worrying you, are you sleeping ok,

anxiety and panic attacks can come from a whole host of things. Try to

list your needs both physical and emotional and see how many you are

reaching?

Have you tried the guided meditations in the files to help with the

anxiety?

This subject of being lonely comes up again and again, had

some wonderful advise about it back in the summer, wish I could

remember all she said on it. Something about are you lonely for

company or are you lonely because of the situation you are in?

Kim and , can you post what you said on the " lonely " topic????

I still have withdrawal symtoms after nearly a year, many of us do.

The body will heal eventually, feed your bodies needs physically and

spiritually, you'll make it through.

With love

x

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathy,

You said:

<<I don't understand how I can be doing so poorly

2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

Is this how it goes for everyone?>>

It's not unusual, depending on the type of withdrawal process you went

through. Did you withdraw very slowly, or was it more abrupt? An

abrupt withdrawal can have a very long recovery period, and until the

body is getting the nutrients it needs to heal itself, the recovery is

minimal. It sounds like that is where you are at.

It isn't withdrawal any more at this point. Instead, it's the

lingering effects of these toxic drugs and the withdrawal from them.

These drugs have done damage to your body and your body needs the

proper tools with which to repair it.

The good news is that you can recover. It's a matter of giving your

body what it needs to heal. The odds are good that you can regain a

productive and meaningful life.

Tell us a little more about your situation. How old are you? What

drug(s) did you withdraw from and how did you do it? How long had you

been on the drug(s), and why were you taking them? What supplements,

if any, are you taking now?

<<I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out in

the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head

tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and initially

thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair dye.

Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to

everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? >>

***You hit the nail on the head here--the reaction came because you

are so sensitive to everything. Psychotropic drugs have a way of

doing that to people. Many of our members deal with multiple

sensitivities. Most of the time, this sensitivity can be minimized

with the appropriate nutrients, but we must always be careful. Let's

face it, nobody should go near toxic products like hair dye. It's a

testament to the remarkable resilience of the human body that we've

all endured these kinds of exposures for many years without apparent

difficulty (we HAVE all been damaged by our toxic environment,

though--it just isn't recognized).

It sounds like you have a lot going on here. You may find it

beneficial to have a consultation with , which will allow you

to discuss your situation thoroughly and all at once rather than

piecemeal in email. I'll copy and paste the guidelines about

consultations with at the end of this email.

I'm not surprised that the medical establishment hasn't been able to

identify the source of your difficulties. They're simply not taught

to understand situations like yours (and everyone else's on this

list). There is a lot of useful information available here that will

help you understand what is happening with your body and get you on

your way to wellness.

<<I'm back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm ever

going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible

disease that has no cure. >>

***You do NOT have a dread disease. You are suffering from the

aftereffects of having taken and withdrawn from psychotropic drug(s).

Your body needs nutrients in order to repair the damage that has been

done.

BTW, the homeopathic remedy Aconitum napellus works wonders for panic

attacks. It is not appropriate for just plain anxiety, but it's great

for actual panic attacks where you feel like you're dying.

I encourage you to keep reading the files and the archives and take

advantage of all the info that's here. I think a consult with

(see below) will give you a great jumpstart to begin sorting

everything out and getting yourself feeling better.

I'm glad you found us.

Regards,

Kim

(co-moderator)

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closely with people. I tried doing this online but it doesn't work well. It

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time needed to accomplish this is 45 min. and in most cases, requires much

more time than that).

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[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I'm so sorry things have been so difficult for you recently. I passed a kidney stone and can relate to the unbearable of that whole ordeal. However, it didn't matter how much pain killer they gave me nothing worked to reduce the pain for me. it's tough, but hang in there and you will get through it. You will have plenty of support at this group website. I wish I had more to say to encourage you, but don't. I just want you to know your not alone. Your faith in the Lord is your source of strength and He can carry you through all of this, Continue to seek God for healing and spiritual, physical strength. If it wasn't for my belief in God and his healing power and strength I know I wouldn't make it through all I've been through over the past 11 yrs, and especially the past year when I was taking a total of 38 psych pills a day and now I' m down to 4 1/2 pills a day. My God is greater than anything I have or

need to go througth.

-Kathy wrote:

I know the reading here says that recovery is not a linear process, its backward and forward but it sure feels like my recovery is going backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse with no end in sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had gone on a nutritional supplement and after several months was feeling fairly normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was done with all this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and started with all these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety. I finally started taking the supplement again and did gradually get a little better. Still haven't been able to gain back all the weight though and am in another phase of losing weight and struggling to maintain the weight I have. I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had a

kidney stone attack. The pain management for that is really strong narcotics, morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I had TWO MORE in my right kidney. I did pass the stone after several hours and actually got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find it but this time I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis. I was taking the supplement two times a day and had been doing fine on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic attacks. Well, since I had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual decline that seems never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to help anymore. I'm back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm ever going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while ago with burning, tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked. My head hurts and

I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been feeling nauseous for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function when you feel so crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can be doing so poorly 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal. Is this how it goes for everyone? I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out in the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and initially thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair dye. Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? Tests were run at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my brain. Guess what, nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in the report is that my potassium levels were slightly low. My anxiety levels are

just terrible, and its so hard to find support for this. My husband does not want to hear about it and just thinks its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I express any of my fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways, I don't know what I would have done without him. He juices and makes other healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things when he can. He just doesn't understand this process though and doesn't want to it seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I wish I could just get over it too but I can't!My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is pretty high. I just pray that I don't have another attack before I can get back to my Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing and I don't have to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that they pass silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy duty narcotics is going to

help me at this point but the pain is so unbearable without it. I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it would be great if I was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has been one anchor which has really helped me. Don't know what I would do without the Lord's help, this has been such an awful process. Wish there were more people out there I could talk to, this is so isolating. When I was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda overbearing and when I mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to anti-depressant withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it was over in TWO WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that anxiety attacks are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and all but its not normal for me to be feeling so fearful. Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and weird and juggling Dr. appts has been so draining.

I just want to feel like myself again, to function normally and enjoy my life. I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a product that is gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I have started to feel better since I started it. I have periods where I feel good, have actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like this, feeling really anxious and not feeling at all well. I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my ribs too. The other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I thought I might have strained something. But then after several hours it went away. And of course, I totally stress over every little ache or pain. Will this ever end? Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what else to say here. I know this board is busy, and its hard for people to respond sometimes....I feel so alone.Kathy To subscribe to the off-topic list go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/socialWandR/

[Guest guest]

Dear Kathy,

You said:

> I know the reading here says that recovery is not a linear process,

> its backward and forward but it sure feels like my recovery is

going

> backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse with no end in

> sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had gone on a

> nutritional supplement and after several months was feeling fairly

> normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was done with all

> this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and started with all

> these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety. I finally

> started taking the supplement again and did gradually get a little

> better. Still haven't been able to gain back all the weight though

> and am in another phase of losing weight and struggling to maintain

> the weight I have. >>

** Without your history I can only make some general observations.

Drug metabolites are stored in fat as are toxins. When a

person loses weight these metabolites and toxins are released into

the body. If you have not restored your liver so that it is

functioning properly after whatever it is you took (all of these

drugs deplete liver energy), it cannot handle the load. Also, if you

are not getting enough exercise, eating properly, and taking

supplements, there is no way for these things to come out of your

body.

You said:

<< I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had a kidney stone

> attack. The pain management for that is really strong narcotics,

> morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I had TWO MORE in

my

> right kidney. I did pass the stone after several hours and

actually

> got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find it but this

time

> I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis.

> I was taking the supplement two times a day and had been doing fine

> on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic attacks. Well, since

I

> had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual decline that

seems

> never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to help anymore.

I'm

> back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm ever

> going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible

> disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while ago with burning,

> tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked. My head hurts

and

> I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been feeling

nauseous

> for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function when you feel

so

> crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can be doing so

poorly

> 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

> Is this how it goes for everyone?

> I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out

in

> the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head

> tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and initially

> thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair

dye.

> Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to

> everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? Tests were

run

> at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my brain. Guess

what,

> nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in the report is

> that my potassium levels were slightly low.

> My anxiety levels are just terrible, and its so hard to find

support

> for this. My husband does not want to hear about it and just

thinks

> its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I express any of my

> fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways, I don't know

> what I would have done without him. He juices and makes other

> healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things when he can. He

> just doesn't understand this process though and doesn't want to it

> seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I wish I could

just

> get over it too but I can't!

> My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is pretty high. I

just

> pray that I don't have another attack before I can get back to my

> Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing and I don't have

> to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that they pass

> silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy duty narcotics is

> going to help me at this point but the pain is so unbearable

without

> it.

> I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it would be great if

I

> was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has been one

anchor

> which has really helped me. Don't know what I would do without the

> Lord's help, this has been such an awful process. Wish there were

> more people out there I could talk to, this is so isolating. When

I

> was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda overbearing and when I

> mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to anti-depressant

> withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it was over in TWO

> WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that anxiety attacks

> are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and all but its not

> normal for me to be feeling so fearful.

> Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and weird and juggling

> Dr. appts has been so draining. I just want to feel like myself

> again, to function normally and enjoy my life.

> I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a product that

is

> gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I have started to

feel

> better since I started it. I have periods where I feel good, have

> actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like this, feeling

really

> anxious and not feeling at all well.

> I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my ribs too. The

> other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I thought I might

> have strained something. But then after several hours it went

away.

> And of course, I totally stress over every little ache or pain.

> Will this ever end?

> Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what else to say here.

I

> know this board is busy, and its hard for people to respond

> sometimes....I feel so alone.>>

Many people find that taking a drug like morphine triggers what

feels like another withdrawal syndrome. When morphine binds to the

receptor, the cell membrane's affinity for sodium ion changes. This

eventually reduces the release of neurotransmitters from the affected

neurons.

If you have previously taken a drug that prevents the reuptake of

a neurotransmitter type, you are now less able to produce these

neurotransmitters and have them arrive at the appropriate receptors.

The reduction in neurotransmitters by morphine increases the problem

and the brain goes into crisis.

Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers. Your body relies upon

these for thousands of actions. When they aren't functioning

properly, your body doesn't function properly.

I hope this explanation helps. I tried to keep it simple but

the fact is that it is much more complex than this. But, this is the

overall reason you're feeling the way you are.

Please describe your " anxiety attacks " in detail and I will give

you some ideas of what will help.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

HI Kathy,

I am curious, what drug(S) are you on and have you

been withdrawing for 2.5 years?

Are you still on them or are you off. Also, I know

what you feel, it is easy to panick over every

symptom.

--- Kathy wrote:

> I know the reading here says that recovery is not a

> linear process,

> its backward and forward but it sure feels like my

> recovery is going

> backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse

> with no end in

> sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had

> gone on a

> nutritional supplement and after several months was

> feeling fairly

> normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was

> done with all

> this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and

> started with all

> these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety.

> I finally

> started taking the supplement again and did

> gradually get a little

> better. Still haven't been able to gain back all

> the weight though

> and am in another phase of losing weight and

> struggling to maintain

> the weight I have.

> I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had

> a kidney stone

> attack. The pain management for that is really

> strong narcotics,

> morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I

> had TWO MORE in my

> right kidney. I did pass the stone after several

> hours and actually

> got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find

> it but this time

> I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis.

> I was taking the supplement two times a day and had

> been doing fine

> on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic

> attacks. Well, since I

> had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual

> decline that seems

> never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to

> help anymore. I'm

> back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and

> wondering if I'm ever

> going to get better. I feel certain that I have

> some terrible

> disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while

> ago with burning,

> tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked.

> My head hurts and

> I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been

> feeling nauseous

> for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function

> when you feel so

> crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can

> be doing so poorly

> 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

> Is this how it goes for everyone?

> I recently went to the emergency room because I

> almost passed out in

> the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing

> and head

> tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous

> week and initially

> thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction

> to the hair dye.

> Maybe the reaction was because my system is so

> sensitive to

> everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair

> dye? Tests were run

> at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my

> brain. Guess what,

> nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in

> the report is

> that my potassium levels were slightly low.

> My anxiety levels are just terrible, and its so hard

> to find support

> for this. My husband does not want to hear about it

> and just thinks

> its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I

> express any of my

> fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways,

> I don't know

> what I would have done without him. He juices and

> makes other

> healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things

> when he can. He

> just doesn't understand this process though and

> doesn't want to it

> seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I

> wish I could just

> get over it too but I can't!

> My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is

> pretty high. I just

> pray that I don't have another attack before I can

> get back to my

> Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing

> and I don't have

> to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that

> they pass

> silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy

> duty narcotics is

> going to help me at this point but the pain is so

> unbearable without

> it.

> I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it

> would be great if I

> was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has

> been one anchor

> which has really helped me. Don't know what I would

> do without the

> Lord's help, this has been such an awful process.

> Wish there were

> more people out there I could talk to, this is so

> isolating. When I

> was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda

> overbearing and when I

> mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to

> anti-depressant

> withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it

> was over in TWO

> WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that

> anxiety attacks

> are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and

> all but its not

> normal for me to be feeling so fearful.

> Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and

> weird and juggling

> Dr. appts has been so draining. I just want to feel

> like myself

> again, to function normally and enjoy my life.

> I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a

> product that is

> gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I

> have started to feel

> better since I started it. I have periods where I

> feel good, have

> actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like

> this, feeling really

> anxious and not feeling at all well.

> I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my

> ribs too. The

> other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I

> thought I might

> have strained something. But then after several

> hours it went away.

> And of course, I totally stress over every little

> ache or pain.

> Will this ever end?

> Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what

> else to say here. I

> know this board is busy, and its hard for people to

> respond

> sometimes....I feel so alone.

> Kathy

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Hi Kathy,

>

> You said:

>

> <<I don't understand how I can be doing so poorly

> 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

> Is this how it goes for everyone?>>

>

>

> It's not unusual, depending on the type of withdrawal process you

went

> through. Did you withdraw very slowly, or was it more abrupt? An

> abrupt withdrawal can have a very long recovery period, and until

the

> body is getting the nutrients it needs to heal itself, the recovery

is

> minimal. It sounds like that is where you are at.

When I first went off the drugs doing a two week taper as suggested

by a Dr.(who should have known better), I became a total wreck and my

life was a nightmare. I had audio hallucinations, psychotic eposides

of screaming and yelling at my husband for no reason, I had to quit

my job because I felt so sick and was so distraught.

>

>

> It isn't withdrawal any more at this point. Instead, it's the

> lingering effects of these toxic drugs and the withdrawal from

them.

> These drugs have done damage to your body and your body needs the

> proper tools with which to repair it.

>

>

> The good news is that you can recover. It's a matter of giving your

> body what it needs to heal. The odds are good that you can regain a

> productive and meaningful life.

>

>

> Tell us a little more about your situation. How old are you? What

> drug(s) did you withdraw from and how did you do it? How long had

you

> been on the drug(s), and why were you taking them? What

supplements,

> if any, are you taking now?

I would have to look back in my old emails here, I took a variety of

anti-depressants on and off for more than 10 years. I took zoloft,

paxil, remeron, seroquel, effexor(this is the one that I took the

longest and at the highest dose), there were a few others but I can't

think of their names. It'll probably come to me later tonite. Sigh.

>

>

> <<I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out

in

> the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head

> tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and initially

> thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair

dye.

> Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to

> everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? >>

>

>

> ***You hit the nail on the head here--the reaction came because you

> are so sensitive to everything. Psychotropic drugs have a way of

> doing that to people. Many of our members deal with multiple

> sensitivities. Most of the time, this sensitivity can be minimized

> with the appropriate nutrients, but we must always be careful.

Let's

> face it, nobody should go near toxic products like hair dye. It's a

> testament to the remarkable resilience of the human body that we've

> all endured these kinds of exposures for many years without apparent

> difficulty (we HAVE all been damaged by our toxic environment,

> though--it just isn't recognized).

>

>

> It sounds like you have a lot going on here. You may find it

> beneficial to have a consultation with , which will allow

you

> to discuss your situation thoroughly and all at once rather than

> piecemeal in email. I'll copy and paste the guidelines about

> consultations with at the end of this email.

>

Thanks for sharing the info. I'll have to set something up soon.

This is so stressful on my own, and I don't feel like I can trust

anyone with my health issues. The Dr's won't listen, and don't

believe you.

>

> I'm not surprised that the medical establishment hasn't been able to

> identify the source of your difficulties. They're simply not taught

> to understand situations like yours (and everyone else's on this

> list). There is a lot of useful information available here that

will

> help you understand what is happening with your body and get you on

> your way to wellness.

>

>

> <<I'm back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm

ever

> going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible

> disease that has no cure. >>

>

>

> ***You do NOT have a dread disease. You are suffering from the

> aftereffects of having taken and withdrawn from psychotropic drug

(s).

> Your body needs nutrients in order to repair the damage that has

been

> done.

>

>

>

> BTW, the homeopathic remedy Aconitum napellus works wonders for

panic

> attacks. It is not appropriate for just plain anxiety, but it's

great

> for actual panic attacks where you feel like you're dying.

>

Thanks, I do have some on hand and have had to start using it again.

>

> I encourage you to keep reading the files and the archives and take

> advantage of all the info that's here. I think a consult with

> (see below) will give you a great jumpstart to begin

sorting

> everything out and getting yourself feeling better.

>

>

> I'm glad you found us.

>

> Regards,

> Kim

> (co-moderator)

>

>

> About Consultations with

>

>

> I've found over the years that there are complications to some

cases that

> require collecting much more information than the norm and working

more

> closely with people. I tried doing this online but it doesn't work

well. It

> requires too many emails that all contain important information

spread out

> over time. Trying to see the whole picture over a period of a

couple of

> weeks while attempting to put a dozen or so emails into some

semblance of an

> entire story with which I can work is a nightmare. I found this was

best

> accomplished by phone or in person.

>

>

>

> Some examples of cases with complications are situations where a

person is

> taking more than one psychotropic drug, where there are other drugs

or other

> health problems, where someone has had an adverse reaction to a

drug shortly

> after taking it, where someone has gone cold turkey more than six

weeks ago,

> where someone has been on a psychotropic drug for more than five

years and

> is under the age of 25 or over the age of 35, where people are

under the age

> of 21, where people are over the age of 60, where people have

attempted

> several times to discontinue a drug (having done this at least once

similar

> to the style we do it here), where people drink or use street drugs

while

> taking a psychotropic drug, where someone has consecutively been on

several

> drugs, where I perceive someone as having difficulty communicating

in an

> email list environment, where people, preferring more privacy or

being

> uncomfortable in groups, do not wish to post to the list, and

finally, where

> the occasional case cannot be well-served by the group and defies

all

> categories of complicated cases. This is rare but I have to allow

for it.

> These are all examples of situations requiring a private consult.

>

>

>

> Effective June 5, my fee for

> private consults will be as follows:

>

>

> 30 min. -- $30

>

> 60 min. -- $60

>

> Beyond an hour fees will be charged to the nearest 10 min.

>

> There will be no charge for the time I spend after we are off the

phone

> working up your case, choosing an appropriate protocol for you, and

getting

> that to you via email no matter how long I work on it (the minimum

amount of

> time needed to accomplish this is 45 min. and in most cases,

requires much

> more time than that).

>

>

>

> Fees for half an hour or an hour will be paid prior to the consult

at PayPal

> (www.PayPal.com) using a credit card, debit card, personal check or

transfer

> from your PayPal account. I will also accept postal money orders in

U.S.

> funds sent by snail mail.

>

>

>

> As a rule of thumb, most consults can be done in an hour if you

email your

> medical history at least 24 hours before your consult and organize

your

> thoughts on paper prior to our conversation. Consults that require

about

> an hour and a half are those where more than two drugs are being

taken

> (pharmaceutical or street), there is an illness or condition that

> complicates the case, there has been an adverse reaction to a drug,

or one

> is particularly sensitive to nutrients or other substances taken to

support

> healing.

>

>

>

> I've found that the majority of these more complicated cases

require only

> one follow-up via phone and then the rest can be done on the group

once the

> foundation has been laid. As always, there is no charge for

anything done

> online in the group. Private email will be kept to a minimum and

will be

> limited to simple questions requiring only a couple of minutes to

answer. If

> a person does not want to utilize the list for more complex follow-

up,

> another consult can be booked.

>

>

>

> In the meantime, the most common cases will continue to be served

by me on

> the group list for which there is no charge.

>

>

>

> You will never incur more of a charge than you intended on paying.

I will

> keep track of the time and will tell you when we are reaching the

end of the

> consult. At that time, if you choose to lengthen the consult, I

will trust

> that you will pay the balance due through PayPal or mail a postal

money

> order within 24 hours.

>

> To book a consult you may email me at catherine.creel@g... (note

> the dot between 1st and last name). If you haven't heard from me in

> 24 hours please re-send your email just in case it fell into that

big

> dark hole in cyberspace. Thanks!

[Guest guest]

> Kathy,

>

> I'm so sorry things have been so difficult for you recently. I

passed a kidney stone and can relate to the unbearable of that whole

ordeal. However, it didn't matter how much pain killer they gave me

nothing worked to reduce the pain for me. it's tough, but hang in

there and you will get through it. You will have plenty of support

at this group website. I wish I had more to say to encourage you,

but don't. I just want you to know your not alone. Your faith in

the Lord is your source of strength and He can carry you through all

of this, Continue to seek God for healing and spiritual, physical

strength. If it wasn't for my belief in God and his healing power

and strength I know I wouldn't make it through all I've been through

over the past 11 yrs, and especially the past year when I was taking

a total of 38 psych pills a day and now I' m down to 4 1/2 pills a

day. My God is greater than anything I have or need to go througth.

>

> -

>

, thanks for your understanding post and your support. I cried

when I read it. Thanks so much for sharing about your faith in God.

He truly is greater than everything we have to go through and it

comforts me greatly to know He is with me.

I'm so glad to hear that you have been able to reduce your meds, that

is awesome!

God bless you!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Hi :

I think I'm going to need to set up a time for a consult with you at

some point. I'm having health issues right now and feel so

overwhelmed. I have to see the urologist next week to find out what

kind of stones I have and hear what treatment he prescribes. I'm not

going to do surgery, the zapping thing doesn't sound too bad but

going natural may be just the way for me to go at this point. Thanks

for sharing all the info and your insight.

God bless!

Kathy

> Dear Kathy,

>

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> > I know the reading here says that recovery is not a linear

process,

> > its backward and forward but it sure feels like my recovery is

> going

> > backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse with no end in

> > sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had gone on a

> > nutritional supplement and after several months was feeling

fairly

> > normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was done with

all

> > this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and started with

all

> > these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety. I finally

> > started taking the supplement again and did gradually get a

little

> > better. Still haven't been able to gain back all the weight

though

> > and am in another phase of losing weight and struggling to

maintain

> > the weight I have. >>

>

>

> ** Without your history I can only make some general

observations.

>

>

> Drug metabolites are stored in fat as are toxins. When a

> person loses weight these metabolites and toxins are released into

> the body. If you have not restored your liver so that it is

> functioning properly after whatever it is you took (all of these

> drugs deplete liver energy), it cannot handle the load. Also, if

you

> are not getting enough exercise, eating properly, and taking

> supplements, there is no way for these things to come out of your

> body.

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> << I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had a kidney

stone

> > attack. The pain management for that is really strong narcotics,

> > morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I had TWO MORE

in

> my

> > right kidney. I did pass the stone after several hours and

> actually

> > got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find it but this

> time

> > I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis.

> > I was taking the supplement two times a day and had been doing

fine

> > on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic attacks. Well,

since

> I

> > had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual decline that

> seems

> > never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to help anymore.

> I'm

> > back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm

ever

> > going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible

> > disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while ago with

burning,

> > tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked. My head hurts

> and

> > I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been feeling

> nauseous

> > for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function when you feel

> so

> > crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can be doing so

> poorly

> > 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

> > Is this how it goes for everyone?

> > I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out

> in

> > the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head

> > tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and

initially

> > thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair

> dye.

> > Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to

> > everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? Tests were

> run

> > at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my brain. Guess

> what,

> > nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in the report

is

> > that my potassium levels were slightly low.

> > My anxiety levels are just terrible, and its so hard to find

> support

> > for this. My husband does not want to hear about it and just

> thinks

> > its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I express any of

my

> > fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways, I don't know

> > what I would have done without him. He juices and makes other

> > healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things when he can. He

> > just doesn't understand this process though and doesn't want to

it

> > seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I wish I could

> just

> > get over it too but I can't!

> > My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is pretty high. I

> just

> > pray that I don't have another attack before I can get back to my

> > Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing and I don't

have

> > to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that they pass

> > silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy duty narcotics

is

> > going to help me at this point but the pain is so unbearable

> without

> > it.

> > I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it would be great

if

> I

> > was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has been one

> anchor

> > which has really helped me. Don't know what I would do without

the

> > Lord's help, this has been such an awful process. Wish there

were

> > more people out there I could talk to, this is so isolating.

When

> I

> > was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda overbearing and when I

> > mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to anti-

depressant

> > withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it was over in

TWO

> > WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that anxiety

attacks

> > are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and all but its

not

> > normal for me to be feeling so fearful.

> > Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and weird and

juggling

> > Dr. appts has been so draining. I just want to feel like myself

> > again, to function normally and enjoy my life.

> > I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a product that

> is

> > gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I have started to

> feel

> > better since I started it. I have periods where I feel good,

have

> > actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like this, feeling

> really

> > anxious and not feeling at all well.

> > I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my ribs too. The

> > other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I thought I might

> > have strained something. But then after several hours it went

> away.

> > And of course, I totally stress over every little ache or pain.

> > Will this ever end?

> > Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what else to say

here.

> I

> > know this board is busy, and its hard for people to respond

> > sometimes....I feel so alone.>>

>

>

> Many people find that taking a drug like morphine triggers what

> feels like another withdrawal syndrome. When morphine binds to the

> receptor, the cell membrane's affinity for sodium ion changes. This

> eventually reduces the release of neurotransmitters from the

affected

> neurons.

>

>

> If you have previously taken a drug that prevents the reuptake

of

> a neurotransmitter type, you are now less able to produce these

> neurotransmitters and have them arrive at the appropriate

receptors.

> The reduction in neurotransmitters by morphine increases the

problem

> and the brain goes into crisis.

>

>

> Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers. Your body relies upon

> these for thousands of actions. When they aren't functioning

> properly, your body doesn't function properly.

>

>

> I hope this explanation helps. I tried to keep it simple but

> the fact is that it is much more complex than this. But, this is

the

> overall reason you're feeling the way you are.

>

>

> Please describe your " anxiety attacks " in detail and I will give

> you some ideas of what will help.

>

> Regards,

>

[Guest guest]

> Dear Kathy,

>

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> > I know the reading here says that recovery is not a linear

process,

> > its backward and forward but it sure feels like my recovery is

> going

> > backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse with no end in

> > sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had gone on a

> > nutritional supplement and after several months was feeling

fairly

> > normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was done with

all

> > this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and started with

all

> > these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety. I finally

> > started taking the supplement again and did gradually get a

little

> > better. Still haven't been able to gain back all the weight

though

> > and am in another phase of losing weight and struggling to

maintain

> > the weight I have. >>

>

>

> ** Without your history I can only make some general

observations.

>

>

> Drug metabolites are stored in fat as are toxins. When a

> person loses weight these metabolites and toxins are released into

> the body. If you have not restored your liver so that it is

> functioning properly after whatever it is you took (all of these

> drugs deplete liver energy), it cannot handle the load. Also, if

you

> are not getting enough exercise, eating properly, and taking

> supplements, there is no way for these things to come out of your

> body.

>

>

> You said:

>

>

> << I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had a kidney

stone

> > attack. The pain management for that is really strong narcotics,

> > morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I had TWO MORE

in

> my

> > right kidney. I did pass the stone after several hours and

> actually

> > got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find it but this

> time

> > I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis.

> > I was taking the supplement two times a day and had been doing

fine

> > on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic attacks. Well,

since

> I

> > had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual decline that

> seems

> > never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to help anymore.

> I'm

> > back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'm

ever

> > going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible

> > disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while ago with

burning,

> > tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked. My head hurts

> and

> > I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been feeling

> nauseous

> > for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function when you feel

> so

> > crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can be doing so

> poorly

> > 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.

> > Is this how it goes for everyone?

> > I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out

> in

> > the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head

> > tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week and

initially

> > thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair

> dye.

> > Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to

> > everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? Tests were

> run

> > at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my brain. Guess

> what,

> > nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in the report

is

> > that my potassium levels were slightly low.

> > My anxiety levels are just terrible, and its so hard to find

> support

> > for this. My husband does not want to hear about it and just

> thinks

> > its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I express any of

my

> > fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways, I don't know

> > what I would have done without him. He juices and makes other

> > healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things when he can. He

> > just doesn't understand this process though and doesn't want to

it

> > seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I wish I could

> just

> > get over it too but I can't!

> > My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is pretty high. I

> just

> > pray that I don't have another attack before I can get back to my

> > Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing and I don't

have

> > to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that they pass

> > silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy duty narcotics

is

> > going to help me at this point but the pain is so unbearable

> without

> > it.

> > I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it would be great

if

> I

> > was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has been one

> anchor

> > which has really helped me. Don't know what I would do without

the

> > Lord's help, this has been such an awful process. Wish there

were

> > more people out there I could talk to, this is so isolating.

When

> I

> > was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda overbearing and when I

> > mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to anti-

depressant

> > withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it was over in

TWO

> > WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that anxiety

attacks

> > are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and all but its

not

> > normal for me to be feeling so fearful.

> > Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and weird and

juggling

> > Dr. appts has been so draining. I just want to feel like myself

> > again, to function normally and enjoy my life.

> > I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a product that

> is

> > gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I have started to

> feel

> > better since I started it. I have periods where I feel good,

have

> > actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like this, feeling

> really

> > anxious and not feeling at all well.

> > I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my ribs too. The

> > other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I thought I might

> > have strained something. But then after several hours it went

> away.

> > And of course, I totally stress over every little ache or pain.

> > Will this ever end?

> > Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what else to say

here.

> I

> > know this board is busy, and its hard for people to respond

> > sometimes....I feel so alone.>>

>

>

> Many people find that taking a drug like morphine triggers what

> feels like another withdrawal syndrome. When morphine binds to the

> receptor, the cell membrane's affinity for sodium ion changes. This

> eventually reduces the release of neurotransmitters from the

affected

> neurons.

>

>

> If you have previously taken a drug that prevents the reuptake

of

> a neurotransmitter type, you are now less able to produce these

> neurotransmitters and have them arrive at the appropriate

receptors.

> The reduction in neurotransmitters by morphine increases the

problem

> and the brain goes into crisis.

>

>

> Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers. Your body relies upon

> these for thousands of actions. When they aren't functioning

> properly, your body doesn't function properly.

>

>

> I hope this explanation helps. I tried to keep it simple but

> the fact is that it is much more complex than this. But, this is

the

> overall reason you're feeling the way you are.

>

>

> Please describe your " anxiety attacks " in detail and I will give

> you some ideas of what will help.

>

> Regards,

>

Hello :

I have emailed you to book a consult. Thanks for your response and

your insight. I think a consult would help more than just emailing

at this point. I'm feeling so stressed lately, it would be great to

get your feedback on recovery protocols.

Thanks again!

Kathy

[Guest guest]

Kathy, I did get your private email and sent you a response. Did you get it? Let me know. I can re-send it if necessary.

Regards,

> Dear Kathy,>>>> You said:>>> > I know the reading here says that recovery is not a linear

process,> > its backward and forward but it sure feels like my recovery is> going> > backwards. I feel like I'm steadily getting worse with no end in> > sight. After my initial symptoms of recovery I had gone on a

> > nutritional supplement and after several months was feelingfairly> > normal. I went off the supplement and thought I was done withall> > this. Hah. A year ago I lost about 25 pounds and started with

all> > these weird symptoms and alot of panic and anxiety. I finally> > started taking the supplement again and did gradually get alittle> > better. Still haven't been able to gain back all the weight

though> > and am in another phase of losing weight and struggling tomaintain> > the weight I have. >>>>> ** Without your history I can only make some generalobservations.

>>> Drug metabolites are stored in fat as are toxins. When a> person loses weight these metabolites and toxins are released into> the body. If you have not restored your liver so that it is

> functioning properly after whatever it is you took (all of these> drugs deplete liver energy), it cannot handle the load. Also, ifyou> are not getting enough exercise, eating properly, and taking

> supplements, there is no way for these things to come out of your> body.>>> You said:>>> << I was doing okay until about 6 weeks ago when I had a kidney

stone> > attack. The pain management for that is really strong narcotics,> > morphine usually. At that time, I was told that I had TWO MOREin> my> > right kidney. I did pass the stone after several hours and

> actually> > got the stone this time. In the past, I didn't find it but this> time> > I did. Its been sent to the lab for analysis.> > I was taking the supplement two times a day and had been doing

fine> > on it. Some generalized anxiety but no panic attacks. Well,since> I> > had the kidney stone attack I've been on a gradual decline that> seems> > never ending. Even the supplement doesn't seem to help anymore.

> I'm> > back to feeling a host of awful symptoms and wondering if I'mever> > going to get better. I feel certain that I have some terrible> > disease that has no cure. I just woke up a while ago with

burning,> > tingling in my body and feeling totally panicked. My head hurts> and> > I can't seem to relax enough to sleep. I have been feeling> nauseous> > for about the last two weeks. Its hard to function when you feel

> so> > crappy all the time. I don't understand how I can be doing so> poorly> > 2-1/2 years into my withdrawal.> > Is this how it goes for everyone?> > I recently went to the emergency room because I almost passed out

> in> > the shower a couple of times, dizzy, my heart racing and head> > tingling. I had colored my hair in the previous week andinitially> > thought that I was having a toxic, chemical reaction to the hair

> dye.> > Maybe the reaction was because my system is so sensitive to> > everything. Anyone else have a reaction to hair dye? Tests were> run> > at the ER: Blood work, EKG, even a CAT scan of my brain. Guess

> what,> > nothing showed up. The only thing that I noticed in the reportis> > that my potassium levels were slightly low.> > My anxiety levels are just terrible, and its so hard to find

> support> > for this. My husband does not want to hear about it and just> thinks> > its all me. You worry too much he tells me if I express any ofmy> > fears to him. He has been supportive in other ways, I don't know

> > what I would have done without him. He juices and makes other> > healthy food I can eat, and helps me with things when he can. He> > just doesn't understand this process though and doesn't want to

it> > seems. I think he just wants me to get over it. I wish I could> just> > get over it too but I can't!> > My anxiety about this kidney stone situation is pretty high. I> just

> > pray that I don't have another attack before I can get back to my> > Dr. I'm hoping they can just do the zapping thing and I don'thave> > to go through the ordeal of passing them. Or that they pass

> > silently, with no pain. I don't think more heavy duty narcoticsis> > going to help me at this point but the pain is so unbearable> without> > it.> > I went up for prayer at my church last Sunday, it would be great

if> I> > was healed of them and they were gone! My faith has been one> anchor> > which has really helped me. Don't know what I would do withoutthe> > Lord's help, this has been such an awful process. Wish there

were> > more people out there I could talk to, this is so isolating.When> I> > was at the ER one of the nurses was kinda overbearing and when I> > mentioned I thought some of my symptoms were due to anti-

depressant> > withdrawal she insisted that was wrong and that it was over inTWO> > WEEKS. Yeah, right. Then she was telling me that anxietyattacks> > are all related to fear, etc. Well, thats nice and all but its

not> > normal for me to be feeling so fearful.> > Trying to function in spite of feeling awful and weird andjuggling> > Dr. appts has been so draining. I just want to feel like myself

> > again, to function normally and enjoy my life.> > I'm doing an internal cleanse with my husband with a product that> is> > gentle, and not weakening. I have to say that I have started to

> feel> > better since I started it. I have periods where I feel good,have> > actually been able to laugh. And then I'm like this, feeling> really> > anxious and not feeling at all well.

> > I've had the abdomen pain with pressure against my ribs too. The> > other day it was hurting to take a deep breath, I thought I might> > have strained something. But then after several hours it went

> away.> > And of course, I totally stress over every little ache or pain.> > Will this ever end?> > Thanks for listening to me, not really sure what else to sayhere.> I

> > know this board is busy, and its hard for people to respond> > sometimes....I feel so alone.>>>>> Many people find that taking a drug like morphine triggers what> feels like another withdrawal syndrome. When morphine binds to the

> receptor, the cell membrane's affinity for sodium ion changes. This> eventually reduces the release of neurotransmitters from theaffected> neurons.>>> If you have previously taken a drug that prevents the reuptake

of> a neurotransmitter type, you are now less able to produce these> neurotransmitters and have them arrive at the appropriatereceptors.> The reduction in neurotransmitters by morphine increases the

problem> and the brain goes into crisis.>>> Neurotransmitters are chemical messengers. Your body relies upon> these for thousands of actions. When they aren't functioning> properly, your body doesn't function properly.

>>> I hope this explanation helps. I tried to keep it simple but> the fact is that it is much more complex than this. But, this isthe> overall reason you're feeling the way you are.

>>> Please describe your " anxiety attacks " in detail and I will give> you some ideas of what will help.>> Regards,> Hello :I have emailed you to book a consult. Thanks for your response and

your insight. I think a consult would help more than just emailingat this point. I'm feeling so stressed lately, it would be great toget your feedback on recovery protocols.Thanks again!Kathy