Fwd: Saliva Hormone Panel Results/Blood Test Results

[Guest guest]

Here are the results from my saliva cortisol/hormone panel. Tell me

what you think please.

Estradiol 3.5 Range1.0-10.8 Normal

Progesterone 44.8 Range 127-446 Low

Ratio of Pg/E2 12.7 Range 200-600 Low

Testosterone 18.3 Range 4.5-49 Normal

DHEA 137.0 Range 106-300 Normal

Cortisol Morning 7.9 Range 5.1-40.2 Normal

Cortisol Noon 4.3 Range 2.1-15.7 Normal

Cortisol Evening 1.0 Range 1.8-12.1 Low

Cortisol Night <0.3 Range 0.9-9.2 Low

Interpretation :

.Pg/E2 ratio and reported symptoms are typical of estrogen

dominance

.DHEA, diurnal cortisol pattern and reported symptoms are

consistant with evolving adrenal gland fatigue(hypoadrenia)

Saliva Thyroid Study:

fTSH 52 Range 26-85

fT4 0.28 Range 0.17-0.42

fT3 0.49 Range 0.28-1.10

TPO Negative Normal:negative

Serum Thyroid Results on the same test:

S-TSH <0.2 Range 0.4-7.0

S-fT4 0.8 Range 0.8-2.0

S-fT3 1.9 Range 1.4-4.2

Regular Thyroid Blood Test done the same day:

T3 Uptake 35.35 Range 24.4-39.1

fT3 2.9 Range 2.3-4.2

T4 Total 6.8 Range 6.5-10.5

fT4 Index 7.5 Range 6.0-11.4

Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 Range <35

Uric Acid 3.1 Range 2.5-6.8

Ferritin 33 Range 10-291

Insulin 8.15am 12.4 Range 5.0-35.0 Normal

Insulin 8.45am 49.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

Insulin 9.15am 46.5 Range 5.0-35.0 High

Insulin 9.45am 75.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

C-reactive Protein(hs-CRP) 0.87 Range <=5.00

Hematology Sedimentation Rate (ESR) 2 Range 0-20

ANA Screen - Negative

Immunology

Anti-Streptosyn O <100 Range 0-200

Rheumatoid Factor 6 Range <14

Thank you all for taking the time to look at these, and tell me what

you think my next course of action should be.

--- End forwarded message ---

[Guest guest]

Though your first two cortiosl reading sare in range, they are very LOW

in those ranges. This suggests to me thta you will need Hydorcortisone

to be able to get your Armrou high enogh. Your T3 in all tests is

pitiful. Suggestions would be A good progesterone cream, 5-10MG DHEA

(regular not 7-KETO) a day , sea salt, unrefuined 1/2 to 1 tsp twice a

day. And HC built slowly to 20MG a dya then hold while you tru to raise

Armour to get those free levels up. have written instructions for

startig HC here:

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=994 & sid=39b29111e\

d6366a7beb06f3a70864ca6

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[Guest guest]

Hi , Definitely you need to start on Progesterone

replacement. Don't take synthetic, only bioidentical.

Bellevue out of St. Louis makes bioidentical

Progesterone, and they are really nice and very

experienced there. They mail your prescriptions

wherever you are, and will recommend a Dr. if you

don't have one in your area who knows what he's doing.

Also your Dr. can prescribe Prometrium progesterone

pills, also bioidentical and is commonly prescribed by

Drs.

In the meantime you can buy USP Progesterone on the

internet at

http://www.naturallybetter.net/1pro-est_ingred.html

(scroll down page). This is my favorite because I like

the way it spreads on, absorbs well, not greasy, makes

my skin really soft, but it costs a little more.

or

http://store.ourhealthcoop.com/product_p/pr.htm which

costs less but I didn't care for the way it felt like

putting vaseline on my skin and it didn't absorb well

for me. But many women like this product just fine,

it's popular.

Over the counter Progesterone should say USP on it,

and if you buy any from a regular drug store, be sure

that it doesn't just say " contains yam " or whatever,

but says " extracted or processed FROM yam " because our

bodies don't have the mechanism necessary to extract

it from the yam ourselves.

Usually each jar contains 20 mg. of Progesterone per

1/4 tsp. We normally make about 40 mg. of Progesterone

a day, but go by symptoms when applying the cream and

use more if you need it to alleviate the symptoms

until they are gone, at which point you'll be back in

balance with the Estrogen.

Many women need much more than 40 mg. during

perimenopause if they are Estrogen dominant, which you

are according to your test results. Sore breasts,

irritability, insomnia, heavy bleeding with big clots,

carb cravings, etc. all are from being Estrogen High

and Progesterone low. And yours is really low. It

needs to be brought back up into balance with the

Estrogen. I had all those symptoms and they

immediately stopped when I got my Progesterone back

into balance with my Estrogen.

Progesterone has a half-life of 12-15 hours, so split

your dosage into two, and apply every 12 hours or so

to make sure you're covered 24 hours.

You look like you might be insulin resistant too. I

found that healthy eating and exercise (mainly

walking, weight bearing (5 lb. weights), and things

like situps, leglifts, etc. is getting rid of mine,

and extra weight. But be careful if you're adrenally

fatigued to do any exercise gently and don't push it.

I'm not experienced enough on the thyroid and cortisol

aspects to tell you what your next step should be on

those, but others here who have lots more experience

can help you there. One thing though, your adrenals

use Progesterone to make Cortisol, and then Cortisol

opens the receptors for your thyroid hormones produced

by the thyroid, to enter the body systems. So by

correcting that very low Progesterone you'll be

helping your adrenals produce more Cortisol - I see

you're low in Cortisol. Whether that deficit is due to

the very deficient Progesterone (which for sure isn't

helping) or whether your adrenals are too fatigued to

make enough Cortisol even WITH enough Progesterone in

your body, (or both)you'll have to see how your

Cortisol levels are after you get the Progesterone

back up where it's supposed to be. You might have a

big improvement on the Cortisol, and thus the thyroid

too, after getting that Progesterone back up. I have,

and my Progesterone was even a bit lower than yours

until I began replacing it. I have very crashed

adrenals also, so the Progesterone hasn't cured them,

they need lots of rest for that, but it is certainly

helping them out.

--- catladystacy wrote:

>

>

> Here are the results from my saliva cortisol/hormone

> panel. Tell me

> what you think please.

>

> Estradiol 3.5 Range1.0-10.8 Normal

> Progesterone 44.8 Range 127-446 Low

> Ratio of Pg/E2 12.7 Range 200-600 Low

> Testosterone 18.3 Range 4.5-49 Normal

> DHEA 137.0 Range 106-300 Normal

> Cortisol Morning 7.9 Range 5.1-40.2 Normal

> Cortisol Noon 4.3 Range 2.1-15.7 Normal

> Cortisol Evening 1.0 Range 1.8-12.1 Low

> Cortisol Night <0.3 Range 0.9-9.2 Low

>

> Interpretation :

> .Pg/E2 ratio and reported symptoms are typical of

> estrogen

> dominance

> .DHEA, diurnal cortisol pattern and reported

> symptoms are

> consistant with evolving adrenal gland

> fatigue(hypoadrenia)

>

> Saliva Thyroid Study:

> fTSH 52 Range 26-85

> fT4 0.28 Range 0.17-0.42

> fT3 0.49 Range 0.28-1.10

> TPO Negative Normal:negative

> Serum Thyroid Results on the same test:

> S-TSH <0.2 Range 0.4-7.0

> S-fT4 0.8 Range 0.8-2.0

> S-fT3 1.9 Range 1.4-4.2

> Regular Thyroid Blood Test done the same day:

> T3 Uptake 35.35 Range 24.4-39.1

> fT3 2.9 Range 2.3-4.2

> T4 Total 6.8 Range 6.5-10.5

> fT4 Index 7.5 Range 6.0-11.4

> Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 Range <35

>

> Uric Acid 3.1 Range 2.5-6.8

> Ferritin 33 Range 10-291

> Insulin 8.15am 12.4 Range 5.0-35.0 Normal

> Insulin 8.45am 49.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

> Insulin 9.15am 46.5 Range 5.0-35.0 High

> Insulin 9.45am 75.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

>

> C-reactive Protein(hs-CRP) 0.87 Range <=5.00

> Hematology Sedimentation Rate (ESR) 2 Range 0-20

> ANA Screen - Negative

> Immunology

> Anti-Streptosyn O <100 Range 0-200

> Rheumatoid Factor 6 Range <14

>

> Thank you all for taking the time to look at these,

> and tell me what

> you think my next course of action should be.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

---Thanks you, this is very informative. I am using BioIdentical

Progesterone, it is compounded into troches. I just started on 100mg,

at night. I am supposed to work my way up to as high as 300 if needed.

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , JD

wrote:

>

> Hi , Definitely you need to start on Progesterone

> replacement. Don't take synthetic, only bioidentical.

> Bellevue out of St. Louis makes bioidentical

> Progesterone, and they are really nice and very

> experienced there. They mail your prescriptions

> wherever you are, and will recommend a Dr. if you

> don't have one in your area who knows what he's doing.

>

>

> Also your Dr. can prescribe Prometrium progesterone

> pills, also bioidentical and is commonly prescribed by

> Drs.

>

> In the meantime you can buy USP Progesterone on the

> internet at

> http://www.naturallybetter.net/1pro-est_ingred.html

> (scroll down page). This is my favorite because I like

> the way it spreads on, absorbs well, not greasy, makes

> my skin really soft, but it costs a little more.

>

> or

>

> http://store.ourhealthcoop.com/product_p/pr.htm which

> costs less but I didn't care for the way it felt like

> putting vaseline on my skin and it didn't absorb well

> for me. But many women like this product just fine,

> it's popular.

>

> Over the counter Progesterone should say USP on it,

> and if you buy any from a regular drug store, be sure

> that it doesn't just say " contains yam " or whatever,

> but says " extracted or processed FROM yam " because our

> bodies don't have the mechanism necessary to extract

> it from the yam ourselves.

>

> Usually each jar contains 20 mg. of Progesterone per

> 1/4 tsp. We normally make about 40 mg. of Progesterone

> a day, but go by symptoms when applying the cream and

> use more if you need it to alleviate the symptoms

> until they are gone, at which point you'll be back in

> balance with the Estrogen.

>

> Many women need much more than 40 mg. during

> perimenopause if they are Estrogen dominant, which you

> are according to your test results. Sore breasts,

> irritability, insomnia, heavy bleeding with big clots,

> carb cravings, etc. all are from being Estrogen High

> and Progesterone low. And yours is really low. It

> needs to be brought back up into balance with the

> Estrogen. I had all those symptoms and they

> immediately stopped when I got my Progesterone back

> into balance with my Estrogen.

>

> Progesterone has a half-life of 12-15 hours, so split

> your dosage into two, and apply every 12 hours or so

> to make sure you're covered 24 hours.

>

> You look like you might be insulin resistant too. I

> found that healthy eating and exercise (mainly

> walking, weight bearing (5 lb. weights), and things

> like situps, leglifts, etc. is getting rid of mine,

> and extra weight. But be careful if you're adrenally

> fatigued to do any exercise gently and don't push it.

>

> I'm not experienced enough on the thyroid and cortisol

> aspects to tell you what your next step should be on

> those, but others here who have lots more experience

> can help you there. One thing though, your adrenals

> use Progesterone to make Cortisol, and then Cortisol

> opens the receptors for your thyroid hormones produced

> by the thyroid, to enter the body systems. So by

> correcting that very low Progesterone you'll be

> helping your adrenals produce more Cortisol - I see

> you're low in Cortisol. Whether that deficit is due to

> the very deficient Progesterone (which for sure isn't

> helping) or whether your adrenals are too fatigued to

> make enough Cortisol even WITH enough Progesterone in

> your body, (or both)you'll have to see how your

> Cortisol levels are after you get the Progesterone

> back up where it's supposed to be. You might have a

> big improvement on the Cortisol, and thus the thyroid

> too, after getting that Progesterone back up. I have,

> and my Progesterone was even a bit lower than yours

> until I began replacing it. I have very crashed

> adrenals also, so the Progesterone hasn't cured them,

> they need lots of rest for that, but it is certainly

> helping them out.

>

>

>

> --- catladystacy wrote:

>

> >

> >

> > Here are the results from my saliva cortisol/hormone

> > panel. Tell me

> > what you think please.

> >

> > Estradiol 3.5 Range1.0-10.8 Normal

> > Progesterone 44.8 Range 127-446 Low

> > Ratio of Pg/E2 12.7 Range 200-600 Low

> > Testosterone 18.3 Range 4.5-49 Normal

> > DHEA 137.0 Range 106-300 Normal

> > Cortisol Morning 7.9 Range 5.1-40.2 Normal

> > Cortisol Noon 4.3 Range 2.1-15.7 Normal

> > Cortisol Evening 1.0 Range 1.8-12.1 Low

> > Cortisol Night <0.3 Range 0.9-9.2 Low

> >

> > Interpretation :

> > .Pg/E2 ratio and reported symptoms are typical of

> > estrogen

> > dominance

> > .DHEA, diurnal cortisol pattern and reported

> > symptoms are

> > consistant with evolving adrenal gland

> > fatigue(hypoadrenia)

> >

> > Saliva Thyroid Study:

> > fTSH 52 Range 26-85

> > fT4 0.28 Range 0.17-0.42

> > fT3 0.49 Range 0.28-1.10

> > TPO Negative Normal:negative

> > Serum Thyroid Results on the same test:

> > S-TSH <0.2 Range 0.4-7.0

> > S-fT4 0.8 Range 0.8-2.0

> > S-fT3 1.9 Range 1.4-4.2

> > Regular Thyroid Blood Test done the same day:

> > T3 Uptake 35.35 Range 24.4-39.1

> > fT3 2.9 Range 2.3-4.2

> > T4 Total 6.8 Range 6.5-10.5

> > fT4 Index 7.5 Range 6.0-11.4

> > Antithyroid Peroxidase <10 Range <35

> >

> > Uric Acid 3.1 Range 2.5-6.8

> > Ferritin 33 Range 10-291

> > Insulin 8.15am 12.4 Range 5.0-35.0 Normal

> > Insulin 8.45am 49.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

> > Insulin 9.15am 46.5 Range 5.0-35.0 High

> > Insulin 9.45am 75.9 Range 5.0-35.0 High

> >

> > C-reactive Protein(hs-CRP) 0.87 Range <=5.00

> > Hematology Sedimentation Rate (ESR) 2 Range 0-20

> > ANA Screen - Negative

> > Immunology

> > Anti-Streptosyn O <100 Range 0-200

> > Rheumatoid Factor 6 Range <14

> >

> > Thank you all for taking the time to look at these,

> > and tell me what

> > you think my next course of action should be.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Awesome. I'm on 240 mg. right now. I've tried backing

down to 160 mg., but all symptoms returned. Then I

tried backing down to 200 mg. but again all symptoms

returned. Also overweight right now, which is storing

that really strong type of Estrogen in my fat cells

where it's reproducing itself, so if you are

overweight like me, that's part of the problem.

I expect that as I lose weight and lose that Estrogen

storage in the fat cells that I won't need quite as

much Progesterone then either, but will go by symptoms

to keep it all balanced as things change.

Glad you are getting your bioidentical Progesterone,

way to go! :-)

Did you see the charts for checking out what stage of

adrenal fatigue you might be in? They are in the

" files " section of this list. Also some good books for

reading about it are listed there, like Unmasking

Chronic Fatigue 2000.

--- catladystacy wrote:

> ---Thanks you, this is very informative. I am using

> BioIdentical

> Progesterone, it is compounded into troches. I just

> started on 100mg,

> at night. I am supposed to work my way up to as high

> as 300 if needed.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I knew when I needed more by the symptoms I was

having. Excessive bleeding/clots, breast soreness,

insomnia, crabbiness, feeling blue, carb craving, etc.

If you aren't having any symptoms then you're probably

either AT or ABOVE the right dosage that you needed in

order to stop those symptoms.

If you ARE having symptoms still, then you can

increase by 20 mg. for two or three days and see if

they stop. It doesn't take long. If the symptoms don't

stop, then go up another 20 mg., etc. giving each

increase about two or three days to work. Keep doing

that until your symptoms are gone.

Also, for me it was best to find my right dosage

during the week to ten days before my period, when all

those PMS symtoms appear, so it's easy to tell if I've

hit the right dose or not that way.

--- catladystacy wrote:

> --- Thanks, yes I am overweight, so that is part of

> the problem, but

> I insisted on Bio-Identical, and changed doctors

> many times until I

> got what I wanted. How did you know when you needed

> more?

>

>

> In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

> JD

> wrote:

> >

> > Awesome. I'm on 240 mg. right now. I've tried

> backing

> > down to 160 mg., but all symptoms returned. Then I

> > tried backing down to 200 mg. but again all

> symptoms

> > returned. Also overweight right now, which is

> storing

> > that really strong type of Estrogen in my fat

> cells

> > where it's reproducing itself, so if you are

> > overweight like me, that's part of the problem.

> > I expect that as I lose weight and lose that

> Estrogen

> > storage in the fat cells that I won't need quite

> as

> > much Progesterone then either, but will go by

> symptoms

> > to keep it all balanced as things change.

> >

> > Glad you are getting your bioidentical

> Progesterone,

> > way to go! :-)

> >

> > Did you see the charts for checking out what stage

> of

> > adrenal fatigue you might be in? They are in the

> > " files " section of this list. Also some good books

> for

> > reading about it are listed there, like Unmasking

> > Chronic Fatigue 2000.

> >

> >

> >

> > --- catladystacy wrote:

> >

> > > ---Thanks you, this is very informative. I am

> using

> > > BioIdentical

> > > Progesterone, it is compounded into troches. I

> just

> > > started on 100mg,

> > > at night. I am supposed to work my way up to as

> high

> > > as 300 if needed.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

---See I am a little perplexed, because I started having a period

when I started taking Pg. I had one a week before starting Pg, and

now I am having another after. Hmmm...still crabby, and still craving

carbs immensly. Bloating is better though. I guess I will have to

experiment. Mine are in 200mg troches, so I guess I could try cutting

them in 1/4, and increaseing 50mg at a time. hmmmmm.....

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , JD

wrote:

>

> I knew when I needed more by the symptoms I was

> having. Excessive bleeding/clots, breast soreness,

> insomnia, crabbiness, feeling blue, carb craving, etc.

>

> If you aren't having any symptoms then you're probably

> either AT or ABOVE the right dosage that you needed in

> order to stop those symptoms.

>

> If you ARE having symptoms still, then you can

> increase by 20 mg. for two or three days and see if

> they stop. It doesn't take long. If the symptoms don't

> stop, then go up another 20 mg., etc. giving each

> increase about two or three days to work. Keep doing

> that until your symptoms are gone.

>

> Also, for me it was best to find my right dosage

> during the week to ten days before my period, when all

> those PMS symtoms appear, so it's easy to tell if I've

> hit the right dose or not that way.

>

>

>

>

> --- catladystacy wrote:

>

> > --- Thanks, yes I am overweight, so that is part of

> > the problem, but

> > I insisted on Bio-Identical, and changed doctors

> > many times until I

> > got what I wanted. How did you know when you needed

> > more?

> >

> >

> > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

> > JD <ybr1959@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Awesome. I'm on 240 mg. right now. I've tried

> > backing

> > > down to 160 mg., but all symptoms returned. Then I

> > > tried backing down to 200 mg. but again all

> > symptoms

> > > returned. Also overweight right now, which is

> > storing

> > > that really strong type of Estrogen in my fat

> > cells

> > > where it's reproducing itself, so if you are

> > > overweight like me, that's part of the problem.

> > > I expect that as I lose weight and lose that

> > Estrogen

> > > storage in the fat cells that I won't need quite

> > as

> > > much Progesterone then either, but will go by

> > symptoms

> > > to keep it all balanced as things change.

> > >

> > > Glad you are getting your bioidentical

> > Progesterone,

> > > way to go! :-)

> > >

> > > Did you see the charts for checking out what stage

> > of

> > > adrenal fatigue you might be in? They are in the

> > > " files " section of this list. Also some good books

> > for

> > > reading about it are listed there, like Unmasking

> > > Chronic Fatigue 2000.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- catladystacy <stacymccann@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > ---Thanks you, this is very informative. I am

> > using

> > > > BioIdentical

> > > > Progesterone, it is compounded into troches. I

> > just

> > > > started on 100mg,

> > > > at night. I am supposed to work my way up to as

> > high

> > > > as 300 if needed.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Come over to the list at

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/hrt-nhrt/

and ask Randy and the women there about this. They

will be able to give you a lot more information.

--- catladystacy wrote:

> ---See I am a little perplexed, because I started

> having a period

> when I started taking Pg. I had one a week before

> starting Pg, and

> now I am having another after. Hmmm...still crabby,

> and still craving

> carbs immensly. Bloating is better though. I guess I

> will have to

> experiment. Mine are in 200mg troches, so I guess I

> could try cutting

> them in 1/4, and increaseing 50mg at a time.

> hmmmmm.....

>

>

> In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

> JD

> wrote:

> >

> > I knew when I needed more by the symptoms I was

> > having. Excessive bleeding/clots, breast soreness,

> > insomnia, crabbiness, feeling blue, carb craving,

> etc.

> >

> > If you aren't having any symptoms then you're

> probably

> > either AT or ABOVE the right dosage that you

> needed in

> > order to stop those symptoms.

> >

> > If you ARE having symptoms still, then you can

> > increase by 20 mg. for two or three days and see

> if

> > they stop. It doesn't take long. If the symptoms

> don't

> > stop, then go up another 20 mg., etc. giving each

> > increase about two or three days to work. Keep

> doing

> > that until your symptoms are gone.

> >

> > Also, for me it was best to find my right dosage

> > during the week to ten days before my period, when

> all

> > those PMS symtoms appear, so it's easy to tell if

> I've

> > hit the right dose or not that way.

> >

> >

__________________________________________________