Re: Something that hurts me.....

[Guest guest]

In this post, I want to write about something that hurt me today and from a

very, very good friend. This is the subject of healing, okay?

Several days ago, my husband fixed up a healthy pizza. Yes, it had cheese on

it, but it was mozz. cheese as well as baby swiss. The next morning I had GB

pain, but it wasn't bad. No attack, i.e,. Just generally, I felt like crap.

I'm sure most of you know the feeling. It wasn't an attack. I know not to

eat this stuff, but sometimes we get a craving and that craving can't be

stopped. But I've eaten our homemade pizza before, with not problems.

Anyway, when I was at my friend's house, I fixed up some tuna this morning

for me to eat. While I was cutting up my onion, he asked me this question

and said it may be negative.

Kind of what he said: Do you even find that this is helping you at all? I

mean, you're still hurting, how can this be helping you?

I answered: Yes, it's helping me, my friend. The only thing that I can

offer is cases. I'll take a friend called Dale, for example. He had a

long-go with health problems with Hep C. He had a very bad case of GB

problems. His GB wasn't working at all. Then he changed his diet, took

cleanses, etc., and now he has a normal-sized GB with no stones, no attacks.

At this time, I mentioned Ken, who has succeeded with his cleanses.

My point that I was thinking about as we were coming home is this, and let's

take someone who has had a heart attack. Most DECENT doctors will tell the

patient: You need to eat better, cut out unhealthy fats, eat more veggies

and fruits, and you need to do this THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!! It's almost

something automatic that we can be assured of from docs in modern-day

medicine. Of course, it doesn't mean every doc will say this, right?

I'm just wondering how they don't think the same way for people with GB

problems. It's a matter of diet that sometimes gets us this way, right? Of

course, in some cases, it's a matter of genetics.

Susie

[Guest guest]

<My point that I was thinking about as we were coming home is this, and

let's

take someone who has had a heart attack. Most DECENT doctors will tell the

patient: You need to eat better, cut out unhealthy fats, eat more veggies

and fruits, and you need to do this THE REST OF YOUR LIFE!!! It's almost

something automatic that we can be assured of from docs in modern-day

medicine. Of course, it doesn't mean every doc will say this, right?

I'm just wondering how they don't think the same way for people with GB

problems. It's a matter of diet that sometimes gets us this way, right? Of

course, in some cases, it's a matter of genetics.

Susie>

Susie;

I can appreciate how you feel about your friends comment, it isn't easy

being independant in thought and action. In fact, it's often times down

right a pain in the ....well ask me and I'll tell you no lie. You know,

Susie, one of the more interesting parts about someone with a bad heart

condition is its root cause is often cholesterol related, this in turn

relates to the liver, and that in turn to the gallbladder with all of this

related to the foods that have been consumed previously. So, for a doctor to

tell someone to eat a much more healthier diet he is really telling them to

take good care of their liver but, he's doing that without impowering them

with an understanding of what is happening with the liver to have caused the

heart condition in the first place.

So, yes the diet is the means to ending a liver and gallbladder condition.

I'm not perfect at keeping with my own set of rules but, it has taken quite

some time for me to be able to do so. I can't tell how many dinners I turned

down just because of the fats I knew were in them and the refined foods from

which they were made. I am so glad that there are those who can take my

example to others and say " see he did it! " when confronted with why their

doing what they are to keep the organs they started with in life. I may not

suceed in my long veiw attempt but for now my liver and gallbladder have

been working pretty good. My biggest battle is dealing wtih the Hepatitis C,

as that can cause the liver to deteriate, but I also have a battle plan for

that in using colonics and ozone insuflation. However, I can't help but to

think that having followed Dr. Cabot's advise has been a major means for my

extended good health.

Hang in there

Dale

[Guest guest]

So, yes the diet is the means to ending a liver and gallbladder condition.

I'm not perfect at keeping with my own set of rules but, it has taken quite

some time for me to be able to do so. >>

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Hi, Dale,

Thanks for your response. I know that my friends don't understand. Maybe in

time they will. I've been doing this for a little over a year now. When I

first started, I started it as a life-long eating plan. It's not something

that I can think and say: " Gee, it's been 6 months since I've started. I can

go back to eating my old way. "

I also told my friend that I'll be doing this the rest of my life. I don't

want to go back to my old way of eating. That's why I'm in the shape that

I'm in now. And even if I have to have my GB out somewhere down the road, I

would still have to eat healthy. One of the problems is modern-day medicine.

Most people think like the medical world.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Okay, now I'm getting wordy here, so I'll stop. I

just wanted to try to offer some encouragement and

support to you. I'm glad that you're on the path

you're on and I'm glad that you're sharing it with us

out here! >>

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Thanks, . You and Dale had a very good post, and I truly appreciate

it. I know how it is to eat something wrong and suffer for it. Actually,

there's some good things you can eat and it still make you sick. Like

sometimes eggs trigger an attack on me, and eggs are good for you. But all in

all, I used to live on junk food. It's funny, but all the things that I used

to eat years ago, I thought that I was kind of eating healthy until I got Dr.

Cabot's book. LOL!

Anyway, I can't force my friends to understand, nor would I want to.

Sometimes it's hard to understand something until it actually happens to you.

But I sure don't wish GB problems on anyone.

I sure am thankful for this wonderful group. Y'all are so much help. When I

first started these cleanses, I remember how scared I was and how much

courage this group gave me. It was comforting.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Susie

I know it's hard when people question what you're

doing. I'm sure they usually have good intentions and

only ask because they care, but it still can be

frustrating and even seem to be hurtful.

One thing I think is that people (generally speaking)

see pain as a bad thing and that the only goal is to

eliminate pain. These are the people who would never

understand a 'healing crisis' or 'cleansing crisis'

and would probably be likely to pop a pill to

alleviate whatever symptom they were having. I'm not

saying this to be critical - I just mean that this is

the mainsteam way of thinking. This is the society

'norm'. Whenever someone steps outside that way of

thinking and considers and alternative, it is hard for

a lot of people to understand.

I also think that some people just want us to take the

same route they did so that they feel better about the

decisions they've made. Not everyone, of course, but

I have encountered some of those types, too.

So I just wanted to encourage you that you are doing a

GOOD thing for yourself. You know your body better

than anybody else. You would know if there was a sign

of a bile duct being blocked, right? (jaundice,

etc..). You would know if your health was at stake

and you alone know if your path is one that is good

for you.

Pain is not a bad thing. I once read a WONDERFUL

book, which is unfortunately out of print now, called

" The Gift Nobody Wants " by Brand. If you can

ever get your hands on a copy of it I highly recommend

it. It gives a completely different perspective on

pain and reveals it as a gift rather than something to

be avoided at all costs. It's the story of this man's

experience with patients with leprosy, mainly. With

leprosy, one of the main problems is that the nerve

endings die and the patient experiences no pain in

that area of their body. So if they are cut, they

don't know it right away unless it bleeds and it can

get infected. If they sprain their ankle, they dont'

know it and continue walking on it, making it worse.

That's a really loose translation of part of what the

book says, but the point is that pain can be a

signpost to us, indicating something we need to do

differently. If we were to pop a pill every time we

hurt, then we are, essentially, creating a

psuedo-leprosy state! (okay, so maybe that's a

stretch, but I'm sure you see my point.)

Last week I had a minor GB episode. It only lasted

about ten minutes, but I was really bummed out because

I hadn't had one in about 5 weeks. I knew, though,

without a doubt, that I had let my eating habits slide

- a lot - and that morning I had (can't believe I " m

admitting this out here) a brownie from a vending

machine and drank a cup of coffee with cream. So -

that pain of that GB attack was saying something to me

and it was loud and clear that I need to be good to my

body and input healthy things.

Most people, in the mainstream, don't understand that

way of thinking. The general attitude is like that

commercial for a pain reliever that says " I haven't

got time for the pain. " Well, the truth is that we

can't afford to NOT listen to the pain!

Okay, now I'm getting wordy here, so I'll stop. I

just wanted to try to offer some encouragement and

support to you. I'm glad that you're on the path

you're on and I'm glad that you're sharing it with us

out here!

--- Tishri7@... wrote:

> Kind of what he said: Do you even find that this is

> helping you at all? I

> mean, you're still hurting, how can this be helping

> you?

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[Guest guest]

Susie

I know it's hard when people question what you're

doing. I'm sure they usually have good intentions and

only ask because they care, but it still can be

frustrating and even seem to be hurtful.

One thing I think is that people (generally speaking)

see pain as a bad thing and that the only goal is to

eliminate pain. These are the people who would never

understand a 'healing crisis' or 'cleansing crisis'

and would probably be likely to pop a pill to

alleviate whatever symptom they were having. I'm not

saying this to be critical - I just mean that this is

the mainsteam way of thinking. This is the society

'norm'. Whenever someone steps outside that way of

thinking and considers and alternative, it is hard for

a lot of people to understand.

I also think that some people just want us to take the

same route they did so that they feel better about the

decisions they've made. Not everyone, of course, but

I have encountered some of those types, too.

So I just wanted to encourage you that you are doing a

GOOD thing for yourself. You know your body better

than anybody else. You would know if there was a sign

of a bile duct being blocked, right? (jaundice,

etc..). You would know if your health was at stake

and you alone know if your path is one that is good

for you.

Pain is not a bad thing. I once read a WONDERFUL

book, which is unfortunately out of print now, called

" The Gift Nobody Wants " by Brand. If you can

ever get your hands on a copy of it I highly recommend

it. It gives a completely different perspective on

pain and reveals it as a gift rather than something to

be avoided at all costs. It's the story of this man's

experience with patients with leprosy, mainly. With

leprosy, one of the main problems is that the nerve

endings die and the patient experiences no pain in

that area of their body. So if they are cut, they

don't know it right away unless it bleeds and it can

get infected. If they sprain their ankle, they dont'

know it and continue walking on it, making it worse.

That's a really loose translation of part of what the

book says, but the point is that pain can be a

signpost to us, indicating something we need to do

differently. If we were to pop a pill every time we

hurt, then we are, essentially, creating a

psuedo-leprosy state! (okay, so maybe that's a

stretch, but I'm sure you see my point.)

Last week I had a minor GB episode. It only lasted

about ten minutes, but I was really bummed out because

I hadn't had one in about 5 weeks. I knew, though,

without a doubt, that I had let my eating habits slide

- a lot - and that morning I had (can't believe I " m

admitting this out here) a brownie from a vending

machine and drank a cup of coffee with cream. So -

that pain of that GB attack was saying something to me

and it was loud and clear that I need to be good to my

body and input healthy things.

Most people, in the mainstream, don't understand that

way of thinking. The general attitude is like that

commercial for a pain reliever that says " I haven't

got time for the pain. " Well, the truth is that we

can't afford to NOT listen to the pain!

Okay, now I'm getting wordy here, so I'll stop. I

just wanted to try to offer some encouragement and

support to you. I'm glad that you're on the path

you're on and I'm glad that you're sharing it with us

out here!

--- Tishri7@... wrote:

> Kind of what he said: Do you even find that this is

> helping you at all? I

> mean, you're still hurting, how can this be helping

> you?

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[Guest guest]

I think that support from loved ones in this type of situation is rarer than

not. Although I ended up having surgery, I was a member of this group for a

lonf while before that. >>

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Thanks for such a kind post, Debra. I know that my friends love me. I may

be oversensitive about it, I guess. sometimes it's hard to understand any

situation until your in that person's shoes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Tishri7@... writes:

> I know that my friends love me. I may

> be oversensitive about it, I guess. sometimes it's hard to understand any

> situation until your in that person's shoes.

>

It's easy to be sensitive about this, especially since it's something so

unusual. And it's easy for other people to talk it down, too, because it's

something that most others would never consider doing!! I think a lot of

people get really uncomfortable, too, around people who are doing anything to

improve their health. This could be quitting smoking, losing weight, getting

in shape or anything. It makes them think twice about what they are doing

for themselves and that's what's uncomfortable, I think.

just my .02

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I think that support from loved ones in this type of situation is rarer than

not. Although I ended up having surgery, I was a member of this group for a

lonf while before that. This was the ONLY place I got any type of support

for not immediately opting for surgery, and trying other things. My fiance

actually would get mildly aggravated with me sometimes.

Friends and family viewpoint is understandable, from their perspective.

They love you, and just want to see the pain stop. However, they are not

the ones doing research and trying to get educated about the whole process.

They see a quick fix available, and can't understand why everyone doesn't

just choose it. Even if they don't understand, they should at least be able

to respect the fact that this is YOUR body, Your health, YOUR decision, and

that you are being proactive about it. Tell your friend that if he cannot

be supportive, then he will just need to be respectful and keep his opinions

to himself in this matter, because you do not need negative input. That is

sort of what I ended up saying to my fiance, so he backed off the subject.

Your friend means well, he cares, he just doesn't understand. Like I said,

he's not the one educating himself on the matter, you are.

Debra

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--- D <RACHD1961@...> wrote:

> Susie

> I know it's hard when people question what you're

> doing. I'm sure they usually have good intentions and

> only ask because they care, but it still can be

> frustrating and even seem to be hurtful.

>

> One thing I think is that people (generally speaking)

> see pain as a bad thing and that the only goal is to

> eliminate pain. These are the people who would never

> understand a 'healing crisis' or 'cleansing crisis'

> and would probably be likely to pop a pill to

> alleviate whatever symptom they were having. I'm not

> saying this to be critical - I just mean that this is

> the mainsteam way of thinking. This is the society

> 'norm'. Whenever someone steps outside that way of

> thinking and considers and alternative, it is hard for

> a lot of people to understand.

>

> I also think that some people just want us to take the

> same route they did so that they feel better about the

> decisions they've made. Not everyone, of course, but

> I have encountered some of those types, too.

>

> So I just wanted to encourage you that you are doing a

> GOOD thing for yourself. You know your body better

> than anybody else. You would know if there was a sign

> of a bile duct being blocked, right? (jaundice,

> etc..). You would know if your health was at stake

> and you alone know if your path is one that is good

> for you.

>

> Pain is not a bad thing. I once read a WONDERFUL

> book, which is unfortunately out of print now, called

> " The Gift Nobody Wants " by Brand. If you can

> ever get your hands on a copy of it I highly recommend

> it. It gives a completely different perspective on

> pain and reveals it as a gift rather than something to

> be avoided at all costs. It's the story of this man's

> experience with patients with leprosy, mainly. With

> leprosy, one of the main problems is that the nerve

> endings die and the patient experiences no pain in

> that area of their body. So if they are cut, they

> don't know it right away unless it bleeds and it can

> get infected. If they sprain their ankle, they dont'

> know it and continue walking on it, making it worse.

> That's a really loose translation of part of what the

> book says, but the point is that pain can be a

> signpost to us, indicating something we need to do

> differently. If we were to pop a pill every time we

> hurt, then we are, essentially, creating a

> psuedo-leprosy state! (okay, so maybe that's a

> stretch, but I'm sure you see my point.)

>

> Last week I had a minor GB episode. It only lasted

> about ten minutes, but I was really bummed out because

> I hadn't had one in about 5 weeks. I knew, though,

> without a doubt, that I had let my eating habits slide

> - a lot - and that morning I had (can't believe I " m

> admitting this out here) a brownie from a vending

> machine and drank a cup of coffee with cream. So -

> that pain of that GB attack was saying something to me

> and it was loud and clear that I need to be good to my

> body and input healthy things.

>

> Most people, in the mainstream, don't understand that

> way of thinking. The general attitude is like that

> commercial for a pain reliever that says " I haven't

> got time for the pain. " Well, the truth is that we

> can't afford to NOT listen to the pain!

>

> Okay, now I'm getting wordy here, so I'll stop. I

> just wanted to try to offer some encouragement and

> support to you. I'm glad that you're on the path

> you're on and I'm glad that you're sharing it with us

> out here!

>

>

>

>

> --- Tishri7@... wrote:

> > Kind of what he said: Do you even find that this is

> > helping you at all? I

> > mean, you're still hurting, how can this be helping

> > you?

>

>

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