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Yes, I am constantly up and down. I was thinking it may be weather related

due to where I live. Are you on the coast?

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am very up and down

in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days, then crash for a

couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe when I felt okay)

and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine. Well, I thought that

I should take it again when I'm feeling really crappy. Then, finally

the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that perhaps this blood

test is a snapshot at that moment of what's happening in the body and

that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I get. Has anybody

had an experience like this?

Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva test too. Since you

have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day, wouldn't it be wise to

make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even if you have to wait

another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related to adrenals. I

think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days or so...can't

quite remember...another symptom of mine.

in Florida

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I cannot seem to keep my temp even. I have been weaning off cortef due to

weight gain and due to feeling great after I exercise. Prior to exercising

I feel crummy and wonder if it is my carpet or an allergic rx or the weather

Nevertheless, today I cannot believe my temp, first it was 99, then 98.2

then 97.8. I guess I am not ready to be off of HC.

I do not get why I feel bad until I exercise. I feel so badly right now

that I am leaving the house just to drive 8 miles to the YMCA.

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am very up and down

in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days, then crash for a

couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe when I felt okay)

and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine. Well, I thought that

I should take it again when I'm feeling really crappy. Then, finally

the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that perhaps this blood

test is a snapshot at that moment of what's happening in the body and

that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I get. Has anybody

had an experience like this?

Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva test too. Since you

have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day, wouldn't it be wise to

make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even if you have to wait

another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related to adrenals. I

think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days or so...can't

quite remember...another symptom of mine.

in Florida

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TSH is a horrible indicator of HypoT. You were

probably really HypoT for a long time that it took

your TSH to rise, until your doc could finally

acknowledge your obvious thyroid problem.

In the future, make sure to have your Free T4 and Free

T3 tested, which are your active thyroid hormones.

I think with women, we experience more of the up and

down due to mentrual cycle hormone changes. I deal

with this contantly. Day to day and hour to hour, I

never know how I'm going to feel. It's been really

bad for about 4 days now and I have no idea why.

SAMMIE

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> Yes, I am constantly up and down. I was thinking it

> may be weather related

> due to where I live. Are you on the coast?

>

> -- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

> in Florida

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Personally I think it's the lactic acid build up in the muscles that

makes you feel bad. When you work out, you get rid of it. Plus you

just feel better getting the lymph system working. It's one of the

reasons that exercise gets additive once you get used to it, not only

does it make you feel better, you feel bad when you skip it.

Linn

On Sep 23, 2006, at 4:05 PM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> I cannot seem to keep my temp even. I have been weaning off cortef

> due to

> weight gain and due to feeling great after I exercise. Prior to

> exercising

> I feel crummy and wonder if it is my carpet or an allergic rx or

> the weather

> Nevertheless, today I cannot believe my temp, first it was 99, then

> 98.2

> then 97.8. I guess I am not ready to be off of HC.

>

> I do not get why I feel bad until I exercise. I feel so badly right

> now

> that I am leaving the house just to drive 8 miles to the YMCA.

>

> .

>

>

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I will be sure to always have them check the FT4 and FT3 when having TSH done as

this gives a more complete picture of what's happening. Perhaps our adrenals are

in the initial stages of decline resulting in highs and lows. When adrenals

worsen there may be no highs anymore. Has anyone had this experience?

Sammie Baker wrote:

TSH is a horrible indicator of HypoT. You were

probably really HypoT for a long time that it took

your TSH to rise, until your doc could finally

acknowledge your obvious thyroid problem.

In the future, make sure to have your Free T4 and Free

T3 tested, which are your active thyroid hormones.

I think with women, we experience more of the up and

down due to mentrual cycle hormone changes. I deal

with this contantly. Day to day and hour to hour, I

never know how I'm going to feel. It's been really

bad for about 4 days now and I have no idea why.

SAMMIE

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> Yes, I am constantly up and down. I was thinking it

> may be weather related

> due to where I live. Are you on the coast?

>

> -- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

> in Florida

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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>>Personally I think it's the lactic acid build up in the muscles that

makes you feel bad. When you work out, you get rid of it. Plus you

just feel better getting the lymph system working. It's one of the

reasons that exercise gets additive once you get used to it, not only

does it make you feel better, you feel bad when you skip it.<,

It can be the lactoic acid build up that ,akes you feel bad and in hypo people

they are less able to lose that build up, butit cn also be from low cortisol.

When the pain and fatigue lasts for days na deven a couple weeks, it is more

likely from low cortiosl that your body just can;t replace.

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Yes! And I cannot believe I had my mercury thermometer in my mouth and bent

over to pet the cat and it fell out of my mouth into the bathtub!!

Like I need more mercury exposure and contamination of the environment.

Fortunately I know how to clean it up and dispose of it via university.

I sure like the temps from my mercury thermometer. What else is there

besides thermometer? Pulse is so variable too.

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

> in Florida

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

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This is interesting, can you elaborate on the T4 to T3 conversion halting in

high or low cortisol?

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>>If you have too much cortisol,

exercise probably feels glorious.<<

not even! LOL I still can't tolerate exercise except slow short walks. Even

with my Am high I can't move till around 10AM. Problem is t4 to t3

conversion is stopped in either low or high cortisol states, and there is

where my energy lies.

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Your temperatures are running backwards, how strange. They should gradually

increase as the day progresses. I'm sure I'd be in worse shape if I didn't

exercise regulary....hey, we have something in common. YMCA is a good gym. Is

the goal here to have an average temperature of 98.6 before coming off cortisol?

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: I cannot

seem to keep my temp even. I have been weaning off cortef due to

weight gain and due to feeling great after I exercise. Prior to exercising

I feel crummy and wonder if it is my carpet or an allergic rx or the weather

Nevertheless, today I cannot believe my temp, first it was 99, then 98.2

then 97.8. I guess I am not ready to be off of HC.

I do not get why I feel bad until I exercise. I feel so badly right now

that I am leaving the house just to drive 8 miles to the YMCA.

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am very up and down

in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days, then crash for a

couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe when I felt okay)

and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine. Well, I thought that

I should take it again when I'm feeling really crappy. Then, finally

the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that perhaps this blood

test is a snapshot at that moment of what's happening in the body and

that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I get. Has anybody

had an experience like this?

Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva test too. Since you

have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day, wouldn't it be wise to

make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even if you have to wait

another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related to adrenals. I

think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days or so...can't

quite remember...another symptom of mine.

in Florida

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I use both a digital and old-fashioned kind and always get the same results.

Sammie Baker wrote: this is why i worry about the

reliability of

thermometers.

SAMMIE

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> I cannot seem to keep my temp even. I have been

> weaning off cortef due to

> weight gain and due to feeling great after I

> exercise. Prior to exercising

> I feel crummy and wonder if it is my carpet or an

> allergic rx or the weather

> Nevertheless, today I cannot believe my temp,

> first it was 99, then 98.2

> then 97.8. I guess I am not ready to be off of HC.

>

> I do not get why I feel bad until I exercise. I

> feel so badly right now

> that I am leaving the house just to drive 8 miles to

> the YMCA.

>

> -- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

> in Florida

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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Exercise is a privilege for us and I usually feel very crappy going into it, but

oh well, if I don't do it I will feel just as crappy but if I do exercise than

I'm detoxifying my body and mind. I will never take it or my health for granted.

Blessed are those who feel well!

Steve wrote: >

>

> It can be the lactic acid build up that makes you feel bad and in

> hypo people they are less able to lose that build up, but it can

> also be from low cortisol. When the pain and fatigue lasts for

> days and even a couple weeks, it is more likely from low cortiosl

> that your body just can't replace.

That (low cortisol) is certainly the case for me (rather than excess

lactic acid). I have become very " exercise intolerant " because I am

just too sore and weak afterwards...for about a week. But each of

us are at different stages of AF. If you have too much cortisol,

exercise probably feels glorious.

In the meantime, I am looking forward to the day when I'll be able

to exercise again. Once I'm on the other side of this thing, I

don't think I will *ever* take my health for granted again and will

view exercise as a privilege, not a chore.

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lucky you! all 6 of mine are different!!

SAMMIE

---

wrote:

> I use both a digital and old-fashioned kind and

> always get the same results.

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> this is why i worry about the reliability of

> thermometers.

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

> wrote:

>

> > I cannot seem to keep my temp even. I have been

> > weaning off cortef due to

> > weight gain and due to feeling great after I

> > exercise. Prior to exercising

> > I feel crummy and wonder if it is my carpet or an

> > allergic rx or the weather

> > Nevertheless, today I cannot believe my temp,

> > first it was 99, then 98.2

> > then 97.8. I guess I am not ready to be off of HC.

> >

> > I do not get why I feel bad until I exercise. I

> > feel so badly right now

> > that I am leaving the house just to drive 8 miles

> to

> > the YMCA.

> >

> > -- Fatigue - good and bad

> days

> >

> > I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I

> am

> > very up and down

> > in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few

> days,

> > then crash for a

> > couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times

> (maybe

> > when I felt okay)

> > and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> > Well, I thought that

> > I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> > crappy. Then, finally

> > the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking

> that

> > perhaps this blood

> > test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> > happening in the body and

> > that it's best to have it when you get episodes as

> I

> > get. Has anybody

> > had an experience like this?

> >

> > Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> > test too. Since you

> > have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> > wouldn't it be wise to

> > make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> > if you have to wait

> > another day, just to be sure the fatigue is

> related

> > to adrenals. I

> > think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two

> days

> > or so...can't

> > quite remember...another symptom of mine.

> >

> > in Florida

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> >

> >

>

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Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been walking 30 minutes a day

and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5 pounds in the last week.

I used to be a long distance swimmer and super skinny. That had to end some

day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds heavier is too much.

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am very up and down

in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days, then crash for a

couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe when I felt okay)

and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine. Well, I thought that

I should take it again when I'm feeling really crappy. Then, finally

the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that perhaps this blood

test is a snapshot at that moment of what's happening in the body and

that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I get. Has anybody

had an experience like this?

Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva test too. Since you

have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day, wouldn't it be wise to

make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even if you have to wait

another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related to adrenals. I

think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days or so...can't

quite remember...another symptom of mine.

in Florida

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Thanks Val. Several months ago, if I even did half that much, I would be

wiped out for days. So my adrenals must be bouncing back!

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Congratulations on the weight loss ! It is a good sign that you

CAN get this exercise!

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Wooohooo, GO ! Congratulations! I am going to try and take

your lead and at least walk every day.

I've also been trying to park a little farther from the store

entrance. Every little bit, right?

Jackie

On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:53 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been walking 30

> minutes a day

> and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5 pounds in the

> last week.

>

> I used to be a long distance swimmer and super skinny. That had to

> end some

> day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds heavier is too

> much.

>

>

>

> .

>

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Yeah and Jackie.... I'm gonna do my best too. Although I'm not sure

I will be able to handle it yet. But, won't know till I try.

Oh by the way , I think I found your 4 or 5 pounds!!

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Wooohooo, GO ! Congratulations! I am going to try and take

your lead and at least walk every day.

I've also been trying to park a little farther from the store

entrance. Every little bit, right?

Jackie

On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:53 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been walking 30

> minutes a day

> and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5 pounds in the

> last week.

>

> I used to be a long distance swimmer and super skinny. That had to

> end some

> day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds heavier is too

> much.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

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I don't think I can keep this up when I go back to work in two weeks!

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Wooohooo, GO ! Congratulations! I am going to try and take

your lead and at least walk every day.

I've also been trying to park a little farther from the store

entrance. Every little bit, right?

Jackie

On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:53 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been walking 30

> minutes a day

> and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5 pounds in the

> last week.

>

> I used to be a long distance swimmer and super skinny. That had to

> end some

> day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds heavier is too

> much.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

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well hang onto it cause it is trying to come back on me!!

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Wooohooo, GO ! Congratulations! I am going to try and take

your lead and at least walk every day.

I've also been trying to park a little farther from the store

entrance. Every little bit, right?

Jackie

On Sep 26, 2006, at 2:53 AM, C. Mannelli, Ed.D. wrote:

> Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been walking 30

> minutes a day

> and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5 pounds in the

> last week.

>

> I used to be a long distance swimmer and super skinny. That had to

> end some

> day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds heavier is too

> much.

>

>

>

> .

>

>

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Way to GO, !

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> Well, I am fed up with being so fat so I have been

> walking 30 minutes a day

> and swimming 30 minutes a day. I have lost 4 or 5

> pounds in the last week.

>

> I used to be a long distance swimmer and super

> skinny. That had to end some

> day even if I was perfectly healthy. But 30 pounds

> heavier is too much.

>

>

>

> -- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

> in Florida

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When i watched the clips from the Schwarzbien Principle website (I

probably won't buy anything, but thought the clips were worth a watch).

She says that if you in the getting better process, you don't want to

over due, as it will use up your reserves, so first she likes to

people to get the proper amount of rest and good food.

Then move on todetoxing and exercise, but start slowly, don't go

right to cardio.

I joined a yoga class in my community, and thought, oh gosh, I know I

will quit, it will make me tired, I have a herniated disk that left

me with a numb foot.... whaa, whaa whaa, LOL

BUT I am really looking forward to it. I feel like i got so lucky

with the teacher I have, I swear she is 75 if not older and is VERY

limber, I'm younger and stiff as a board, but she is so kind and

loving and gentle. It's called yoga on the ball, and she told me

that is the best one for me since the ball helps to support the poses.

I'm learning to rest when i need, and try very hard to push the guilt

from hearing all through my childhood, if you sleep during the day,

your just lazy. And then add a little bit of extra movement to my

days, even if it's just stretching at night for 2 minutes. Something

has to be better than nothing.

We're on our way gals :)

Love and light, Jackie

> Yeah and Jackie.... I'm gonna do my best too. Although I'm

> not sure

> I will be able to handle it yet. But, won't know till I try.

>

> Oh by the way , I think I found your 4 or 5 pounds!!

>

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Thanks. Today was so exhausting. It is amazing that a new job is more

stressful to me than walking for 30 minutes followed by swimming for 30

minutes!

-- Fatigue - good and bad days

>

> I was wondering if anybody had this experience. I am

> very up and down

> in the way I feel. I could feel okay for a few days,

> then crash for a

> couple. I took the TSH blood test a few times (maybe

> when I felt okay)

> and doctor's kept on telling me that I was fine.

> Well, I thought that

> I should take it again when I'm feeling really

> crappy. Then, finally

> the test showed hypothyroidism. I was thinking that

> perhaps this blood

> test is a snapshot at that moment of what's

> happening in the body and

> that it's best to have it when you get episodes as I

> get. Has anybody

> had an experience like this?

>

> Also, this may help when doing the cortisol saliva

> test too. Since you

> have to fill the viles 4x throughout the day,

> wouldn't it be wise to

> make sure your having an " episode of fatigue " even

> if you have to wait

> another day, just to be sure the fatigue is related

> to adrenals. I

> think you can refrigerate your saliva up to two days

> or so...can't

> quite remember...another symptom of mine.

>

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