Re: Spike

[Guest guest]

See- now that makes sense. My HMO dr handed me a little ADA pamphlet , said

nothing about the fact that carbs might affect me badly and sent me on my

way. I got home and bought oatmeals, whole grain breads, beans, chick peas,

etc and my blood sugars were running at 200-300 !! It wasn't till I got on

some lists that I realized these starches actually turn into sugar and don't

work for me. I now rarely ever go above 140 and my fasting is 105. My

evening #'s are 85. A big difference!

It is scarey to think that in the days before the internet I might have

just gone along with that drs advice and suffered the horrible complications

later!

<<my doc sent me to a diabetes class at the hospital. the people

teaching the class were a dietitian and a diabetes educator. they

told us that there are different diets that can be used depending on

the individual's response to them. they gave us information on low

carb dieting and the ADA diet plan using food group exchanges. then

they gave us all sugar meters and showed us how to use them and chart

our numbers after eating so we could each of us figure out which diet

was best for our bodies. they said there isn't any one diet that is

right or wrong.

judy>>

[Guest guest]

, I eat carbs in small amounts as dictated by hunger and the

clock. I eat small " meals " I simply don't need either the

calories, or carbs. Sam

[Guest guest]

Dave- I think this is a little bit unfair. If we all don't talk about what

works for us how can any of us learn and live with this disease. I don't

think was saying " her way or the highway " .

In fact, I resent the fact that alot of Drs don't discuss the low carb

option. Instead they just stick us on meds. The Glucophage made me very sick

and I was the one who figured out that if I didn't eat certain foods I could

be medicine free. Spending half my life tied to the toilet wasn't my idea of

a life. I was scared to leave the house. So I went to my dr and said I

wanted to try to control with diet and exercise only. She was skeptical but

when my hbA1c went from 11.7 to 6.7 in 7 weeks she hopefully learned

something from me!

JMHO-

Score another one for the insensitive low-carb " my way or the highway "

zealots.

Sometimes I think they're some sort of religious sect.

--

Dave - 2:50:50 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-06-24 14:29:55 EDT, you write:

<<

Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet??

By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal

that's the limitations my dietitian told me.

>>

Well, Lizz, common sense would lead one to believe that but unfortunately

many docs consider lowcarbing to be radical or just plain don't know about

it. The ADA considers it dangerous. But those of us who've found success

over the longterm know better. Guess you were lucky to have a dietitian who

promoted it. Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 1:56:35 PM Central Daylight Time,

judyj@... writes:

> they said there isn't any one diet that is

> right or wrong.

>

shes right,

is there anyone here who has no trouble eatting lots of carbs?

lizz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-06-24 14:56:15 EDT, you write:

<< they gave us information on low

carb dieting and the ADA diet plan using food group exchanges. then

they gave us all sugar meters and showed us how to use them and chart

our numbers after eating so we could each of us figure out which diet

was best for our bodies. they said there isn't any one diet that is

right or wrong. >>

That was a good class, Judy! Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-06-24 15:00:24 EDT, you write:

<<

Score another one for the insensitive low-carb " my way or the highway "

zealots.

Sometimes I think they're some sort of religious sect.

>>

C'm on, Dave...I've mellowed out, haven't I? (smile) Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 2:33:18 PM Central Daylight Time,

fencible@... writes:

> Hell no!

>

so dave, tell me why, make me understand, because i do not.

lizz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 1:52:24 PM Central Daylight Time,

RainbowFarm@... writes:

> under 60 carbs per day,

wow! just out of curiosity, what is a daily menue like with under 60 carbs a

day????

i tottaly understand that what i eat may affect my BG in a way that doesnt

affect you, every ones body is different, and that is what makes this HORRID

disease so hard to controll.

heck, what i eat today, doesnt affect me the same way as it would tomorrow.

(does this happen to anyone here?)

so, yes, i tottaly understand... i just didnot know a diabetic could get away

with eatting tons of carbs without taking tons of insulin.

like, i have a friend, who eats what she wants when she wants, but also takes

over 100 units of insulin a day

lizz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 7:42:20 PM Central Daylight Time,

whimsy2@... writes:

> The ADA considers it dangerous. But those of us who've found success

> over the longterm know better. Guess you were lucky to have a dietitian

> who

> promoted it. Vicki

>

>

i have heard that low carb diets where dangerous, but i didnt really read why.

can someone explain this to me.

im just looking for a lot of info. as i have been diagnosed sence december,

and yet to do anything but take a pill, and watch what i eat a little.

[Guest guest]

since I'm new maybe I shouldn't say anything about this but would

like to know what I'm getting into and if I should stay on this

group. Went back and put Terri's name into the search and saw that

she used to post a lot and was maybe even a moderator? if people here

call other peoples diets crappola maybe I'm in the wrong place. I got

the idea from Terri's last message that she'd read that too many

times?

judy

> Dave- I think this is a little bit unfair. If we all don't talk

about what

> works for us how can any of us learn and live with this disease. I

don't

> think was saying " her way or the highway " .

>

> In fact, I resent the fact that alot of Drs don't discuss the low

carb

> option. Instead they just stick us on meds. The Glucophage made me

very sick

> and I was the one who figured out that if I didn't eat certain

foods I could

> be medicine free. Spending half my life tied to the toilet wasn't

my idea of

> a life. I was scared to leave the house. So I went to my dr and

said I

> wanted to try to control with diet and exercise only. She was

skeptical but

> when my hbA1c went from 11.7 to 6.7 in 7 weeks she hopefully learned

> something from me!

> JMHO-

>

>

>

> Score another one for the insensitive low-carb " my way or the

highway "

> zealots.

>

> Sometimes I think they're some sort of religious sect.

>

> --

> Dave - 2:50:50 PM

> T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

> A 4th generation Diabetic

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/24/01 2:56:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

judyj@... writes:

<< my doc sent me to a diabetes class at the hospital. the people

teaching the class were a dietitian and a diabetes educator. they

told us that there are different diets that can be used depending on

the individual's response to them. they gave us information on low

carb dieting and the ADA diet plan using food group exchanges. then

they gave us all sugar meters and showed us how to use them and chart

our numbers after eating so we could each of us figure out which diet

was best for our bodies. they said there isn't any one diet that is

right or wrong. >>

Wow Judy,

sounds like you have a good dr, diabetic class etc...

I too agree that there are many different ways of eating, and many different

ways that diabetics need to manage their bs's.

I manage mine thru low carbing, i tried ADA and it didn't work for me.... I

know some people that can eat more carbs, or that choose to eat more, and use

medications to control their diabetes.

This is their choice, and its what appears to work best for them

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> Dave- I think this is a little bit unfair. If we all don't talk about what

> works for us how can any of us learn and live with this disease. I don't

> think was saying " her way or the highway " .

It isn't just who thinks that low carb is the only way. There

are many here who do just fine on their own plans, not the ADA and not

for sure low carb.

>

> In fact, I resent the fact that alot of Drs don't discuss the low carb

> option. Instead they just stick us on meds. The Glucophage made me very sick

> and I was the one who figured out that if I didn't eat certain foods I could

> be medicine free. Spending half my life tied to the toilet wasn't my idea of

> a life. I was scared to leave the house. So I went to my dr and said I

> wanted to try to control with diet and exercise only. She was skeptical but

> when my hbA1c went from 11.7 to 6.7 in 7 weeks she hopefully learned

> something from me!

That's you, and just you. My HbA1c has been 5.7 the past two times, and

I certainly do not low carb.

We've been though this time after time. Check the archives.

--

Dave - 6:08:45 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

In youth we learn; in age we understand.

--

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-06-24 20:29:34 EDT, you write:

<< disease so hard to controll.

heck, what i eat today, doesnt affect me the same way as it would tomorrow.

(does this happen to anyone here?) >>

Yes Lizz, that happens to me too. It also depends on the time of day. Think

of it as a challenge (smile) Vicki

[Guest guest]

But Dave you are taking meds to help with the control. I am only saying if I

don't want to take medicines then this is what I have to do. I don't want to

fight with you I am just saying that in order not to take insulin or

Glucophage I have to not eat carbs much. That is my choice.

<<It isn't just who thinks that low carb is the only way. There

are many here who do just fine on their own plans, not the ADA and not

for sure low carb.

>

> In fact, I resent the fact that alot of Drs don't discuss the low carb

> option. Instead they just stick us on meds. The Glucophage made me very sick

> and I was the one who figured out that if I didn't eat certain foods I could

> be medicine free. Spending half my life tied to the toilet wasn't my idea of

> a life. I was scared to leave the house. So I went to my dr and said I

> wanted to try to control with diet and exercise only. She was skeptical but

> when my hbA1c went from 11.7 to 6.7 in 7 weeks she hopefully learned

> something from me!

That's you, and just you. My HbA1c has been 5.7 the past two times, and

I certainly do not low carb.

We've been though this time after time. Check the archives.

--

Dave - 6:08:45 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic>>

[Guest guest]

Me too- I eat some nuts or whipped cream and raspberries and figure it's

" free " <smile>

<<My theory is that my liver has gone to sleep finally and the rest of my

body

has awakened up to the insulin floating around. I also get low also at that

time....sometimes I use it for an excuse for an snack before dinner

ressy

always looking for excuses>>

[Guest guest]

Lizz, I found my one hour reading told me what the meal did to my

sugars, the 2 hour reading told me how wwell I was dealing with

it. Sam

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> Dave- please ignore my last post. I apologise. Your Mom should eat whatever

> the heck she wants! My Dad just died of EC !

>

>

Yes, I remember that , and I know it's hard for you.

Yeah, my feelings exactly. She's a fighter, is a breast cancer & colon

cancer survivor and I'm not even going to suggest.... BTW, we *will*

have a regular cake for her upcoming birthday..

--

Dave - 10:18:45 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

Procrastination Day Has Been Postponed!

--

[Guest guest]

Bill Eastman wrote:

>

> Some of us (me) have more than diabetes to worry about. For gout I'm suppose

to limit protein. Experimenting, I've learned I sleep better with no caffeine

after 7 PM. Each person needs to find out what works for them. I must be doing

something right, since the last A1C was 6.0 and also I have not had a gout flare

up. I've only been on a CPAP for starting 3 weeks tomorrow night.

>

> I've sent Terri some private email with information I have learned so far

about Sleep Apnea so she can discuss it with her doctor. Terri and I have been

e-mail friends since the beginning of this list. She used to be the moderator

but she gave that up the same time I unsubscribed. Since then I did

resubscribe, and have used the inbox assistant rules to filter out what I don't

want to read. If I ever feel like I need to unsubscribe, I'll just take a break

by setting yahoogroups up to web only instead of sending the email messages.

Hang in there Bill! I find your posts very informative. Glad to hear the

Cpap is working out for you.

I've found that I get a good night's sleep by following Vickie's

suggestion (the ingredient that's in Benadryl). Works for me also.

--

Dave - 10:21:45 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

The ultimate reason is " because. "

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[Guest guest]

I hope she will eat all the cake she wants! The more the better. My Dad was

a fighter too. Happy Birthday to her!!

wrote:

>

> Dave- please ignore my last post. I apologise. Your Mom should eat whatever

> the heck she wants! My Dad just died of EC !

>

>

Yes, I remember that , and I know it's hard for you.

Yeah, my feelings exactly. She's a fighter, is a breast cancer & colon

cancer survivor and I'm not even going to suggest.... BTW, we *will*

have a regular cake for her upcoming birthday..

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>

> I hope she will eat all the cake she wants! The more the better. My Dad was

> a fighter too. Happy Birthday to her!!

>

Thanks!

--

Dave - 10:45:46 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H

A 4th generation Diabetic

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

* I don't suffer from insanity, I enjoy every minute of it.

--

[Guest guest]

> << they gave us information on low

> carb dieting and the ADA diet plan using food group exchanges. then

> they gave us all sugar meters and showed us how to use them and chart

> our numbers after eating so we could each of us figure out which diet

> was best for our bodies. they said there isn't any one diet that is

> right or wrong. >>

>

> That was a good class, Judy! Vicki

It was way better than mine. We were all given the exact same diet, men and

women, except men were allowed 2 more oz. of meat a day, for a grand total of 6

oz. And the amount of carbs on their diet was More than I was eating before.

Heck, if my body couldn't handle what I ate before, how was it supposed to

handle even more? And meters? We were told about them, shown one brand and

told we only needed to check our sugar 2 or 3 times a week. Had I known then

what I know now, I would have asked why bother checking at all.

Annette

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 9:20:48 PM Central Daylight Time,

woodduckflds@... writes:

> My Dad just died of EC !

>

>

, my dad was recently diagnosed, has a grim prognosis

email me privately if you would like to talk.

Lizz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 06/24/2001 9:38:28 PM Central Daylight Time,

fencible@... writes:

> Can't beat an HbA1c however.

>

>

see, now thats where im confused!

i actually had a doc tell me i was not diabetic, because all, even at

diagnosis, my HbA1c was 5.0-5.5

but all my fastings are high (140's) and durring the day isnt much better.

try explaining that one!

lizz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-06-24 21:28:08 EDT, you write:

<<

Vicki, I have common sense, and I'll match my HbA1c with you any day of

the week.

>>

Sorry. Dave, I don't accept the challenge - you'd win. But you're type 2 and

I'm type 1 and things are a lot more complicated for 1s. . I test 12-14

times a day, take about six insulin shots a day, eat an average of 50 carbs

per day and I'm still trying to find excellent control. My last A1C was 6.4

and I keep working to get it down but Things Keep Changing so it's pretty

difficult. I'm sure your A1C is lower than mine...but there are a lot more

variables for type 1s. My personal challenge is to get it below 6 and I'll

keep working on it for the sake of my own health, not because I'm in a

contest with someone else, smile. Vicki PS: However, no complications in

sight and I continue to feel healthy and energetic.