Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Hi, Winifred...well, the current thinking is that spikes above 140 aren't good...so I guess 186 spike qualifies as Not Good...however..part of this might be due to dawn effect. If you can postpone breakfast, it would probably be interesting to check your BG upon awakening then one and two hours later without eating and then you'd have an idea of your dawn effect's contribution to that 186. (Of course, it's not the same every day...) You might try one slice of toast...or no toast and something else (non-grain-based) for breakfast... I also want to point out that that 140 postprandial spike business only applies to type 2s...type 1s would find this impossible to maintain. Vicki In a message dated 01-06-22 11:40:08 EDT, you write: << For the last two weeks I have been having 2 slices of lite bread for breakfast. Today I decided to test myself one hour after eating the bread. I went from 87 this morning upon waking up to 186 one hour after the bread. Is this normal? Should I be worried? Is 186 too high after eating? I am controlling my sugar with diet and exercise and I heard that high spikes are not good! Can anyone give me advice? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Winifred, bread is a problem for many or most of us. It's often worse than table sugar at producing spikes. Many of us have found that Dr. Bernstein's recommendation to keep our carbs low and primarily eat protein at breakfast works best. Tom the Actuary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Barb- I wondered about this too as my mother (not diabetic) was 86 after eating. <<<<Lizz, please check your sources. I believe this is really incorrect information. Everything I have read says that non-diabetics stay in normal range. Barb>>>> > > 186 one hour after the bread > > try testing your sugar 2 hours after eatting.... > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after eatting. > hugs. > lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 :-) LOL- then they better go see a dr. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 > > > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after > > eatting. > > hugs. > > lizz > > > > then they better go see a dr. > carol > > Doctors regard 180 - 200 spikes as " impaired glucose tolerance, " not diabetes. I clearly had " impaired glucose tolerance " for many years and my top-of-the-line Chicago medical college faculty doctors said NOTHING. One day I showed up at fasting 286; then and only then was I diagnosed. As a matter of fact, most doctors don't enough do post-prandial blood testing (glucose tolerance testing) unless you insist on it. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 > > > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after > > eatting. > > hugs. > > lizz > > > > then they better go see a dr. > carol > > Doctors regard 180 - 200 spikes as " impaired glucose tolerance, " not diabetes. I clearly had " impaired glucose tolerance " for many years and my top-of-the-line Chicago medical college faculty doctors said NOTHING. One day I showed up at fasting 286; then and only then was I diagnosed. As a matter of fact, most doctors don't enough do post-prandial blood testing (glucose tolerance testing) unless you insist on it. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 ok i think non diabetic readings can very as well as our diabetic readings also, my 6yr old daughter for example spiked to 185 after a meal, she went down very slowly withtin a 4hr peroid, by the time i got her to the doc her readings are fasting 89 the avge reading over 3month time was a perfict 5.0, so from personal experance non diabetics can spike to the 180s, shes 6yrs old. glenna http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html Re: Spike In a message dated 06/22/2001 4:51:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after > eatting. > hugs. > lizz > then they better go see a dr. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 then we say huray for ponca and my daughters pedatricion cause the gluecose tolerance test is the first thing they do. well first fasting then gtt the avg. test glenna http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html Re: Spike > > > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after > > eatting. > > hugs. > > lizz > > > > then they better go see a dr. > carol > > Doctors regard 180 - 200 spikes as " impaired glucose tolerance, " not diabetes. I clearly had " impaired glucose tolerance " for many years and my top-of-the-line Chicago medical college faculty doctors said NOTHING. One day I showed up at fasting 286; then and only then was I diagnosed. As a matter of fact, most doctors don't enough do post-prandial blood testing (glucose tolerance testing) unless you insist on it. T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 maryato@... wrote: > > > > > > FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 > after > > > eatting. > > > hugs. > > > lizz > > > > > > > then they better go see a dr. > > carol > > > > > Doctors regard 180 - 200 spikes as " impaired glucose tolerance, " not > diabetes. I clearly had " impaired glucose tolerance " for many years > and my top-of-the-line Chicago medical college faculty doctors said > NOTHING. One day I showed up at fasting 286; then and only then was > I diagnosed. > Yep, that just shows me that care from " top-of-the-line " doctors doesn't cut the mustard unless you yourself are involved. Anyone with IGT should be on an intensive program to keep numbers down. Too bad we can't sue.. -- Dave - 7:24:35 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I will defend to your death my right to my opinion. -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 In a message dated 06/23/2001 12:05:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, barnie64@... writes: > spiked to 185 after a meal, she went down very slowly withtin a 4hr peroid, > by the time i got her to the doc her readings are fasting 89 the avge > reading over 3month time was a perfict 5.0, so from personal experance non > diabetics can spike to the 180s, shes 6yrs old. > you do realize diabetes runs in families? I'd keep an eye on her, spikes are warnings, 4 hrs is much too long. carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 The published diagnostic BG for diabetes is a fasting sugar over 126 (7) or a reading at any time over 200. The test may be repeated to confirm the diagnosis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 In a message dated 6/22/01 3:51:18 PM Central Daylight Time, lizzbeth97@... writes: << > 186 one hour after the bread try testing your sugar 2 hours after eatting.... FYI in a normal non diabetic, their sugar can go as high as 180 after eatting. hugs. lizz >> Really?? I specifically asked my endo how high a non diabetic would go after eating a meal of candy bars, cotton candy and soda. He stated that a non diabetics glucose would never be over 140 no matter what they ate....hmmm.... ressy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 In a message dated 01-06-23 01:02:01 EDT, you write: << Vicki- what do you mean by this. Do type 1's spike higher. I thought the insulin took care of that. Sorry if this is a dumb question. >> Not a dumb question at all, ...I often spike above 140 at two hours even with insulin. At certain times of the day my BG comes down so drastically -- and it takes my body 4 to 6 hours to clear Humalog, unlike lots of people who get it out of their system in 3 hours -- that if I'm at 140 at two hours, at certain times of the day I may be at hypo levels by the end of the Humalog. I seem to get a giant drop between hour four and five in the late afternoon. . Also, I think type 1s have more variables so that even though I dose insulin to carbs, it's not exact science, at least with me. What worked at the beginning of the month may not work by the end of the month. And lots of time I just guess wrong at the amount of insulin necessary. However, after 2-1/2 years of diligent work, my last A1C was 6.4. I keep trying to do better tho...it's a constant challenge. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 In a message dated 6/22/2001 9:44:43 PM Central Daylight Time, designnut@... writes: > or a reading at any time over 200 what about in kids? does anyone know? my kid often want their BG taken when i do mine, and about 25% of the time its above 200...even 300. doc did urine and blood testes, but showed normal. lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 I see- by the humalog not leaving your system fast enough you can't give yourself " more " or it will cause an even worse low? Then I guess you would have to maybe eat two meals in a row or have a snack to cover that 4-6 hrs? It does sound like a constant challenge. Another question- at 2 hours after eating are we supposed to be back down to where we were before we ate? Like I just ate some ham and swiss in a low carb roll up at 2 pm. I was 98 when I started. At 3 pm I was 136. At 3:40pm I am at 138. There is no way I will be back down to 98 for a long while. I'll keep testing to see how long it takes me to get back to 98. Thanks- <<Not a dumb question at all, ...I often spike above 140 at two hours even with insulin. At certain times of the day my BG comes down so drastically -- and it takes my body 4 to 6 hours to clear Humalog, unlike lots of people who get it out of their system in 3 hours -- that if I'm at 140 at two hours, at certain times of the day I may be at hypo levels by the end of the Humalog. I seem to get a giant drop between hour four and five in the late afternoon. . Also, I think type 1s have more variables so that even though I dose insulin to carbs, it's not exact science, at least with me. What worked at the beginning of the month may not work by the end of the month. And lots of time I just guess wrong at the amount of insulin necessary. However, after 2-1/2 years of diligent work, my last A1C was 6.4. I keep trying to do better tho...it's a constant challenge. Vicki>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 In a message dated 01-06-23 15:50:29 EDT, you write: << I see- by the humalog not leaving your system fast enough you can't give yourself " more " or it will cause an even worse low? << Right - I get one chance; if I goof I've got to wait till it's out of my system and start over again. EXCEPT at dinnertime because Ron Sebol designed a computer program for me that can predict a correction based on three-hour data (but this only works in the evening) based on data I gave him. << Then I guess you would have to maybe eat two meals in a row or have a snack to cover that 4-6 hrs? It does sound like a constant challenge. << No, I basically don't eat between meals. I realize this is a lot different from type 2s. << Another question- at 2 hours after eating are we supposed to be back down to where we were before we ate? Like I just ate some ham and swiss in a low carb roll up at 2 pm. I was 98 when I started. At 3 pm I was 136. At 3:40pm I am at 138. There is no way I will be back down to 98 for a long while. I'll keep testing to see how long it takes me to get back to 98. Thanks- << Here I can't help you, ...type 2s and 1s are a lot different in this respect, IMHO. The way I understand it, for me, if I'm approximately back to where I started (baseline) when the H is finished I'm in good shape. And this also takes into account the " basal " U insulin I take twice a day. Vicki >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 In a message dated 01-06-23 17:10:20 EDT, you write: << Well I was wrong. At 4 pm I was 126 and at 4:30 pm I was at 90!!! So in just a tad over two hrs I was back to 98 or below. In the morning it seems to take a lot longer. I guess because of the dawn effect. >> That's about what happens to me at that same time, ...giant drop in BGs between 4 and 5. Interesting. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Well I was wrong. At 4 pm I was 126 and at 4:30 pm I was at 90!!! So in just a tad over two hrs I was back to 98 or below. In the morning it seems to take a lot longer. I guess because of the dawn effect. <<Another question- at 2 hours after eating are we supposed to be back down to where we were before we ate? Like I just ate some ham and swiss in a low carb roll up at 2 pm. I was 98 when I started. At 3 pm I was 136. At 3:40pm I am at 138. There is no way I will be back down to 98 for a long while. I'll keep testing to see how long it takes me to get back to 98.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 Well I guess type 1 and 2's aren't totally different! I always go low around that time. << Well I was wrong. At 4 pm I was 126 and at 4:30 pm I was at 90!!! So in just a tad over two hrs I was back to 98 or below. In the morning it seems to take a lot longer. I guess because of the dawn effect. >> That's about what happens to me at that same time, ...giant drop in BGs between 4 and 5. Interesting. Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 my doc sent me to a diabetes class at the hospital. the people teaching the class were a dietitian and a diabetes educator. they told us that there are different diets that can be used depending on the individual's response to them. they gave us information on low carb dieting and the ADA diet plan using food group exchanges. then they gave us all sugar meters and showed us how to use them and chart our numbers after eating so we could each of us figure out which diet was best for our bodies. they said there isn't any one diet that is right or wrong. judy > > > > Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? > By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal > that's the limitations my dietitian told me. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 In a message dated 6/23/01 7:58:41 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: << Well I guess type 1 and 2's aren't totally different! I always go low around that time. << Well I was wrong. At 4 pm I was 126 and at 4:30 pm I was at 90!!! So in just a tad over two hrs I was back to 98 or below. In the morning it seems to take a lot longer. I guess because of the dawn effect. >> That's about what happens to me at that same time, ...giant drop in BGs between 4 and 5. Interesting. Vicki >> My theory is that my liver has gone to sleep finally and the rest of my body has awakened up to the insulin floating around. I also get low also at that time....sometimes I use it for an excuse for an snack before dinner ressy always looking for excuses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 lizzbeth97@... wrote: > > In a message dated 6/24/2001 1:23:10 PM Central Daylight Time, > teri@... writes: > > > this IS essentially a low carb list. > > > > Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? > By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal > that's the limitations my dietitian told me. > Hell no! -- Dave - 2:53:50 PM T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, U & H A 4th generation Diabetic - Davors Daily Aphorism: I've learned.... That opportunities are never lost; someone will take the ones you miss. --Andy Rooney- -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 I was just saying that your reply indicated that I had written the original post by saying- " woodduckflds@... writes " : ....... but I didn't write that post. However, I agree that going up to 180 is not normal. My mother is not diabetic and is around 85-90 after eating. I didn't see that post about your children. When did you send it? Anyway I would also be very concerned about spiking to 200 and more. This is just my opinion though. ---------- From: lizzbeth97@... To: diabetes_int Subject: Re: Spike Date: Sun, Jun 24, 2001, 2:24 PM In a message dated 6/24/2001 1:11:42 PM Central Daylight Time, woodduckflds@... writes: > Lizz- I did not send this post. > > > I was just saying that my doc told me a normal non diabetic can go up to 180, and its perfectly normal. Others seem to disagree. ialso posted a question about my children spiking 200 and more, that noone has responded to. IM quite disappointed that everyone can post to tell me how wrong me and my doctor are, but noone can give me their opinion on something so important to me. Lizz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 I think of low carb as 20-40 carbs a day. I eat about 40 a day- maybe 50 somedays but I can't eat breads, pastas,regular potatoes,rice etc because they spike me too much. Like I can be at 90- eat 2 slices of whole oat bread (11 carbs per slice) and jump up to 188 which is a big jump. So most all my carbs come from veggies which I seem to tolerate better. <<Arent all diabetics, type one or type 2 supposed to be on a low carb diet?? By low carb I mean 45-60 grams per meal that's the limitations my dietitian told me.>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2001 Report Share Posted June 24, 2001 No problem- I know it takes a while to get to know everyone and keep all the names straight. I have been on for about 4-5 months and I still get mixed up on who is who. <<oh, ididnt read it right the first time/..... i thought you said i did not SEE this post. im sorry, but either way, i dont know who sent the post, i was just responding to it. im still new here, and dont know anyone yet. lizz>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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