Re: Dr. and his veiw on taking cortisol

[Guest guest]

My dr recommended the same thing actually. Dr. lives in AZ

and works with many of the naturopaths. He me to stay on

Isocort/Armour for a few weeks and see how things go. The adrenal

extracts are next. I will keep you posted if I start this therapy.

Good post

>

> I just purchased Dr. 's book called, Adrenal Fatigue: The

21st Century Stress

> Syndrom. One thing he recommends is buying adrenal cell extracts

which have been the

> cornerstone of effective therapy for adrenal fatigue for decades.

This must be purchased

> through a physician. I've never heard any mention of this on this

forum or stop the thyroid

> madness site. Is this something I should consider since Dr.

is a reputable doctor

> with a phd? He says it's safer than Cortisol because the extracts

nourish and help rebuild

> your adrenal cells. As these cells recover, they can once again

produce the proper amount

> of the various hormones needed for the many functions perfermed by

your adrenal glands.

> In contrast, natural or synthetic cortisol tend to reduce or

shutdown the activity of your

> adrenal glands. This happens because your brain senses the

presence of these cortisol

> substitutes and, in response, withholds the signal (ACTH) it would

otherwise send to your

> adrenal glands to make more adrenal hormones. In spite of the fact

that this action can

> produce dramatic initial improvements in your symptoms, these

symptomatic

> improvements come with a heavy price. He goes on and on but my

point here is who is

> correct? I'm confused? Please explain..thanks.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

:

I am confused too as MacJefferies states that low doses will not suppress

your own production.

My mom recently tried my cortef pills at 10 mgs at breakfast, 5 at lunch.

She has had a dramatic improvement in her arthritis pain and ability to get

around. She now says she will never stop using it even tho her doctor went

ballistic when he heard she started using it without his permission. He

warned her that she will get osteoporosis and that she should never take

Armour as it will cause a heart attack.

So are these doctors just stupid or evil?

I have two of Dr. 's books. However, all of my doctors disagree on

how I should be using Armour and cortef (hydrocortisone).

It is enough to make one go crazy, particularly when you feel sick.

[Guest guest]

As I understand it, the mechanism works like this:

1. If small dosages of cortisol merely suppressed your own

production, you would notice no difference in symptoms. Let's say

your body is only producing 20 mg/day. If you began taking 20

mg/day, and all it did is suppress your own production, you would

feel no different. You'd simply be substituting 20mg introduced

artificially for the 20 mg that would normally come from your own

adrenals. I think what Jefferies is saying is that in this case

(and I am oversimplifying) the amounts would be additive...you would

have 40 mg of cortisol in your system per day...20 from your

adrenals, and 20 from oral ingestion. However, it is additive,

rather than suppressive, only up to a point. After that, it does

become suppressive.

2. In the above example you are making 20 mg/day, just as before.

However, the ACTH signal to " make more " isn't constantly bombarding

your adrenals...whipping them when the well is dry, because they are

getting some external assistance. I don't think it is so much the

stress of making 20mg that is the problem...it is the stress of

*trying* to make more than 20 mg when they don't have any of the raw

materials left. It is like they never switch off at all (even

though they aren't making anything past a certain point) and never

have a chance to rest.

3. As you gradually dial in the " right " dose of HC, it becomes not

just supplemental, but actually curtails your own production of HC.

Let's say (just for argument) that your body needs 40 mg per day,

and is currently working its little *** off trying to do that. It

is only pumping out 20, however. You take 20 mg of HC orally and

begin to feel better because your body is now getting a full 40

mg/day. You then up the dose to 30 mg/day. Your body now only has

to produce 10mg on its own, and you provide the rest (30 mg)

artificially. This suggests that your adrenals don't have to work

as hard.

Now, this is grossly oversimplified, just to sort of convey the

theory. The problem is that it can be really, really hard to dial

in the right amount. And, your cortisol needs are not stable from

day to day...stress requires more. I think Jefferies suggested that

40-60mg/day is for someone who has just a normal, unstressed

day...and that the body's needs could easily go to 200mg or more

under stress conditions. To normally functioning adrenals, this is

not a problem. They rise to the occassion and deliver the goods.

To the person with adrenal fatigue, it is a big problem. You can

try to " stress dose " but who really knows exactly how much is too

much, and how much is " not enough " ?

The bottom line is that dosages between about 15 mg/day and 35

mg/day are probably appropriate for most people, and probably serve

not just to supplement the amount your own body produces, but to

also curtail your own adrenal's production to a certain extent,

without shutting down your adrenals entirely.

Most physicians are terrified of prescribing HC because of all the

horror stories they've been told...probably by big pharma who would

suggest you use " their " product (prednisone) instead. I don't know

how many physicians actually have personal experience prescribing

HC, however. I think there aversion is based more in hype than in

fact. For this reason, I have personally become very dubious of

what physicians have to say about HC, because I don't think much (or

any) of it is rooted in their own personal experience. Once I see

them spouting the evils of prednisone with equal vigor, then maybe

they'll regain a bit of credibility in my mind.

--Steve

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> :

>

> I am confused too as MacJefferies states that low doses will not

suppress

> your own production.

>

> My mom recently tried my cortef pills at 10 mgs at breakfast, 5 at

lunch.

> She has had a dramatic improvement in her arthritis pain and

ability to get

> around. She now says she will never stop using it even tho her

doctor went

> ballistic when he heard she started using it without his

permission. He

> warned her that she will get osteoporosis and that she should

never take

> Armour as it will cause a heart attack.

>

> So are these doctors just stupid or evil?

>

> I have two of Dr. 's books. However, all of my doctors

disagree on

> how I should be using Armour and cortef (hydrocortisone).

>

> It is enough to make one go crazy, particularly when you feel sick.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I feel that if adrenal fatigue is caught early on, the herbals and

extracts are very helpful and maybe even enough to heal the adrenals,

though I have not known anyone yet that did it. I do know several people

that have healed their adrenals with HC. most folks are not even aware

for their adrenal fatigue in the first few stages, which is why I mostly

recommend HC. I follow the works of Dr Jefferies and Peatfield, and

until I see some results with these extracts in someone healing with

them as in FULL recovery.. I will have my doubts. PHD's mean nothing to

me. When I was so ill with thyroid disease I went to some really

supposedly GOOD doctors. My antibodies were NEVER checked, my adrenals

were NEVER checked, and I was about dead from their lack of knowledge.

SO let's just rest it to say I ma NOT trustful of doctors.. and must see

results for myself or the research behind it at least to be willing to

take their word for it.,

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[Guest guest]

>>2. In the above example you are making 20 mg/day, just as before.

However, the ACTH signal to " make more " isn't constantly bombarding

your adrenals...whipping them when the well is dry, because they are

getting some external assistance. I don't think it is so much the

stress of making 20mg that is the problem...it is the stress of

*trying* to make more than 20 mg when they don't have any of the raw

materials left. It is like they never switch off at all (even

though they aren't making anything past a certain point) and never

have a chance to rest.<<

Steve I will say it again, you have a great talent with words. This SO aptly

expresses what I have gathered from my reading. Perfect explanation.

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Amen to THAT.

--- wrote:

> PHD's mean nothing to

> me. When I was so ill with thyroid disease I went to

> some really

> supposedly GOOD doctors. My antibodies were NEVER

> checked, my adrenals

> were NEVER checked, and I was about dead from their

> lack of knowledge.

> SO let's just rest it to say I ma NOT trustful of

> doctors.. and must see

> results for myself or the research behind it at

> least to be willing to

> take their word for it.,

>

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[Guest guest]

Yes, most doctors don’t know enough and/or are

ignorant, BUT Dr. who wrote a book is one of

the pioneers that many of us learn from. Otherwise,

where do you get your information?

--- JD wrote:

> Amen to THAT.

>

>

>

> ---

> wrote:

>

> > PHD's mean nothing to

> > me. When I was so ill with thyroid disease I went

> to

> > some really

> > supposedly GOOD doctors. My antibodies were NEVER

> > checked, my adrenals

> > were NEVER checked, and I was about dead from

> their

> > lack of knowledge.

> > SO let's just rest it to say I ma NOT trustful of

> > doctors.. and must see

> > results for myself or the research behind it at

> > least to be willing to

> > take their word for it.,

> >

> > --

> > Artistic

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> > My Ebay Jewelry Store

> > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> >

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

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[Guest guest]

I just don't feel that writing a book makes one an expert. I have talked

to patients of Dr Peatfield, thus I believe his books. Dr Peatfield and

Dr Lowe both recognize and promote the work of Dr Jeffries. I just have

not seen anyone get well using 's protocol, and yes i have read

his book. If you are using this please let us know how it goes, I am

open to changes for better ways to heal!

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