newbie w/multi questions

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In a message dated 11/09/2006 14:03:24 GMT Daylight Time, skg59@...

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The other option I have I guess is to increase cortef/Isocort to 25 or 30

mgs. a day and see if I feel better enough with that.

Hi

I just increased to 30 mg recently and was relieved to discover that

actually this is about right for my height and weight.

Cannot say more than that for now as I am not feeling too good and waiting

to see if my increase of Armour yesterday will make a difference.

Those palps are murder, are they not!

Mo

ps did you see that post saying magnesium/Epson salts will with that?

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Hi, It's from NTH. I have read the files and links and learned some

things I didn't know. I never realized that weight had to do with dosing for

cortisol. I know that I am quite adrenally insufficient, but previous ACTH

tests didn't show 's, although after first taking thyroid hormone,

adrenal insufficiency was uncovered as I became very weak, irritable, unable to

cope with any stress, plus the hypoglycemic episodes. I don't know what testing

would have showed after the thyroid hormone worsened my adrenal insufficiency.

In the last 9 months I've tried both prednisolone and cortef. I've been afraid

to increase the doses even though I think I really need to. I weigh 205 lbs.

and I am 5 feet 6 inches tall. Currently I take 20 mgs. cortef/Isocort per day

in divided doses. I feel I need more. I also feel that prednisolone works

better for me and somehow the cortef isn't " strong " enough. I was never sure at

what dose adrenal suppression occurred, but after reading files section it seems

that even at 30 mgs. per day, it would only suppress my own adrenal production

of cortisol by a certain percentage, but not completely. I won't have a doc to

work with if I increase my dose because he won't prescribe more than 15 mgs. per

day of Cortef, 10 mgs. breakfast and 5 mgs. lunch, so I've been supplementing

the additional 5 mgs. with Isocort. I keep trying to listen to my " gut " as I

know it is " truth " and doesn't lie. My gut is telling me that I need to be

taking prednisolone as I still experience many symptoms of adrenal insufficiency

and it's very very uncomfortable even with the 20 mgs. Cortef/Isocort. I guess

my question is that if I went back to prednisolone, would it be best to take 2.5

mgs. in the morning and 2.5 mgs. in the afternoon, for a total of 5 mgs? I

realize 5 mgs. prednisolone is equal to 20 mgs. cortef, but I know it works

differently in the body so I want to know if this changes the " adrenal

suppression " part. I guess I'm looking for validation to go back to

prednisolone and take the 5 mgs. daily and KNOW that this is safe and won't

suppress my adrenals. I'm finally taking my weight into account which I never

knew about before. I have lots of trouble tolerating thyroid hormone even now,

and I cannot get past one grain without serious heart palps. I've given up on

that. I still have difficulty coping with stress, though taking the adrenal

support eliminated my hypoglycemic stuff. I'm also concerned about being on the

right dose of adrenal support for my body's needs because I know that it's

important for growth hormone production and I am also quite deficient in that.

Any and all advice would be welcome. The other option I have I guess is to

increase cortef/Isocort to 25 or 30 mgs. a day and see if I feel better enough

with that.

Thanks,

Confused, scared

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Hi ! Imagine meeting you here! LOL Anyway my suggestion would be

to try the higher HC dosage as it is WAY easier to customize to JUST

what your body needs and WHEN you need it which is just as important. on

the 20MG you are on now, what are your symptoms and when ?

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I have gained 10 lbs in the past month. Armour or T3 has never brought my

weight down. Has anyone had weight gain on HC?

-- Re: newbie w/multi questions

Hi ! Imagine meeting you here! LOL Anyway my suggestion would be

to try the higher HC dosage as it is WAY easier to customize to JUST

what your body needs and WHEN you need it which is just as important. on

the 20MG you are on now, what are your symptoms and when ?

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Val,

How cool to have you respond to me..LOL

I've truly been struggling with this for a long time and need all the support I

can get. My symptoms currently still are: difficulty coping with stress,

although NOTHING like before. No more collapsing when faced with even what a

normal person would consider a " mild confrontation " . Now I can FACE the stress,

but it is still difficult, e.g. I still tend to walk right away from the

conflict, even when it's minor. Difference now is I don't collapse in bed like

before and am not stopped in my tracks from this. Now it's more difficulty

recovering after the stress. I still get very weak, shakey, but NOTHING like

before, and my self confidence and self esteem seem very low. I'm also highly

emotional, cry easily, and still have trouble coping with the big stressors.

and feel very vulnerable to my external environment, stressors. I don't get the

hypoglycemic crashes with the stress now either like I used to. Yesterday is a

good example. I went to this Greek festival my church puts out

every year. Last year I could never have even coped with the thought of going

to something like this. I went with my beau and found that the stimulation,

e.g. music, etc. people, commotion was piercing right through me and I felt very

shakey. The funny thing is I always feel this shakiness in the area of my

adrenal glands, which doesn't make much sense to me since my doctor told me you

can't " feel your adrenal glands " . I felt highly stressed there, the way a

healthy person might feel if they were under some kind of serious threat. There

was fear, lack of confidence, and lots of discomfort in my body. Upon exposure,

felt very weak, worried I might not be able to cope and have to leave. I did

get through it, we sat and ate stuff, but everytime someone I knew would come to

talk to me, I became very nervous and shakey. After we left, once the stress

was over, I began to feel better and went home to " recover " . Do you really

believe that increasing the HC could take care of this stuff?

What dose/schedule do you think would be appropriate for my 205 weight without

suppressing my own production?

Re: newbie w/multi questions

Hi ! Imagine meeting you here! LOL Anyway my suggestion would be

to try the higher HC dosage as it is WAY easier to customize to JUST

what your body needs and WHEN you need it which is just as important. on

the 20MG you are on now, what are your symptoms and when ?

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How much Armour (or ??? thyroid meds) are you on now?

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My temp is 98.6 without Armour but I decided to get back on Armour due to

feeling cold a lot. I am currently on 1grain at 7:00 a.m., a half grain at

noon, another half at 5:00, and another half grain at 10:00.

I have been on HC for almost a year now. I have been on 15 mgs a day and

increased to 30 mgs a day. At 30 mgs all I wanted to do was eat pastries

and ice cream and did not feel like exercising at all. I am currently

weaning to 5 mg every 4 hours hoping that will help me drop the weight.

Am going to naturopath/chiropractor for saliva testing and that is another

reason I am weaning from HC. However, I was on it a long time so I have had

adrenal support every time I did Armour or T3. And my temps have been 98.6

for months. Don't have a clue what is going on unless it is related to the

mercury filling removal. I have been in chelation treatments for months.

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How much Armour (or ??? thyroid meds) are you on now?

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Val, I'm on one grain of thyroid and cannot tolerate anymore. Bad news!!

Re: newbie w/multi questions

How much Armour (or ??? thyroid meds) are you on now?

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I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you need to

experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks start

on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a bedtime

2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you are

having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me wonders.

35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's care that

are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend that. I

feel most can get better with 30MG.

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>>I have been on HC for almost a year now. I have been on 15 mgs a day and

increased to 30 mgs a day. At 30 mgs all I wanted to do was eat pastries

and ice cream and did not feel like exercising at all. I am currently

weaning to 5 mg every 4 hours hoping that will help me drop the weight.<<

First problem I see is that Cortisol BURNS thyroid hormones. If oyu were even

the leats bit low in thyroid then taking 30MG a day of HC, oyu mostcertainly

went hypo, causing the hunger and weight gain.

I also have had a normal temp for a couple years! Even befor going on HC my

temps wer 98.6 every time I took them except basal temps. But I still felt hypo.

I believe the T4 has alot to do with body temps and that my T3 being low was not

bringing my temps down. But I also feel the HC briught my T3 up.. labs coming

soon to know for sure. SO do your labs and then we can have an updated feel for

what is going on now.

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>>Val, I'm on one grain of thyroid and cannot tolerate anymore. Bad news!!<<

This is a sure sign you need more HC. But I would work with HC to the max (at

least 35MG if you need it) before going back to Pred.

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I'm wondering what my dose of HC would be for my own

height and weight, in addition to treating by symptoms

and test results. Or if you know of some sort of chart

or something that I can look at, that would be good

too!

Thanks!

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 11/09/2006 14:03:24 GMT Daylight

> Time, skg59@...

> writes:

>

> The other option I have I guess is to increase

> cortef/Isocort to 25 or 30

> mgs. a day and see if I feel better enough with

> that.

>

>

>

> Hi

> I just increased to 30 mg recently and was relieved

> to discover that

> actually this is about right for my height and

> weight.

> Cannot say more than that for now as I am not

> feeling too good and waiting

> to see if my increase of Armour yesterday will make

> a difference.

> Those palps are murder, are they not!

>

> Mo

>

> ps did you see that post saying magnesium/Epson

> salts will with that?

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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[Guest guest]

Val,

Is it true that someone with let's say " 's, might do better with

prednisolone than Cortef just because....

Re: newbie w/multi questions

>>Val, I'm on one grain of thyroid and cannot tolerate anymore. Bad news!!<<

This is a sure sign you need more HC. But I would work with HC to the max (at

least 35MG if you need it) before going back to Pred.

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Hey Val,

Would it help you at all if I told you that about 8 months ago I did a 5 day

prednisolone taper (on my own) as per Dr. Cutler's schedule/protocol in his

mercury toxicity book that I have. He tells you to use 5 mg. tablets, which I

did and I took them for five days twice a day per his recommended schedule, when

by the fifth day, I went down to zero.

In looking back now, doing this allowed me to feel the best I had felt in a long

time adrenally and for the first time in a long long time I almost felt like a

normal person. Does that tell you anything?

Re: newbie w/multi questions

I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you need to

experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks start

on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a bedtime

2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you are

having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me wonders.

35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's care that

are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend that. I

feel most can get better with 30MG.

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>>Is it true that someone with let's say " 's, might do better with

prednisolone than Cortef just because....<<

Yes it is possible but even many 's patients are on HC too. Some also

need Medrol.

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Is Medrol some brand name for prednisone or something? When you say some

's people also need Medrol do you mean along with the Cortef/prednisolone

or by itself?

Re: newbie w/multi questions

>>Is it true that someone with let's say " 's, might do better with

prednisolone than Cortef just because....<<

Yes it is possible but even many 's patients are on HC too. Some also

need Medrol.

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[Guest guest]

,

Could you please describe in further detail the 5 day prednisolone

taper? I do not quite understand the taper part of this treatment?

>

> Hey Val,

>

> Would it help you at all if I told you that about 8 months ago I did

a 5 day prednisolone taper (on my own) as per Dr. Cutler's

schedule/protocol in his mercury toxicity book that I have. He tells

you to use 5 mg. tablets, which I did and I took them for five days

twice a day per his recommended schedule, when by the fifth day, I

went down to zero.

>

> In looking back now, doing this allowed me to feel the best I had

felt in a long time adrenally and for the first time in a long long

time I almost felt like a normal person. Does that tell you anything?

>

>

> Re: newbie w/multi questions

>

>

> I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you

need to

> experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks

start

> on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a

bedtime

> 2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you are

> having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me

wonders.

> 35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's

care that

> are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend

that. I

> feel most can get better with 30MG.

>

> --

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>

>

>

>

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--- , that's just how I feel. I am not as bad as that all the

time but it's just not nice is it?

If I think about having to make a slightly stressful phone call or

something (for example) just thinking about it can start me shaking. I

am better on the HC though, although I have had some ups and downs

what with thyroid dumps, changes in meds etc so I haven't been

" stable " adrenally for very long at a time.

I am adapting to living in a new country and dread having to deal with

new situations and stuff. I still get flustered when having to make

appointments on the phone etc. Oh, one other symptom that is big with

me is sweating. I can be doing the phone thing say, and sweat just

starts dripping off me. Most annoying.

And the loud music/noise thing. Noises such as sirens, alarms, loud

music, motorbikes etc make me feel really weird. Sometimes they make

me really agitated and I have to really concentrate of staying calm.

Sometimes they make me feel like crying! Most peculiar.I ALWAYS stick

my fingers in my ears when a siren goes past. I don't care how stupid

I look! They are just painful to me.

I do recover a little quicker from stressors now though and I always

stress dose.

Swiss

> Now I can FACE the stress, but it is still difficult, e.g. I still

tend to walk right away from the conflict, even when it's minor. Now

it's more difficulty recovering after the stress. I still get very

weak, shakey, but NOTHING like before, and my self confidence and self

esteem seem very low. I'm also highly emotional, cry easily, and

still have trouble coping with the big stressors. and feel very

vulnerable to my external environment, stressors. Last year I could

never have even coped with the thought of going to something like

this. I went with my beau and found that the stimulation, e.g. music,

etc. people, commotion was piercing right through me and I felt very

shakey. There was fear, lack of confidence, and lots of discomfort

in my body. Upon exposure, felt very weak, worried I might not be

able to cope and have to leave. I did get through it, we sat and ate

stuff, but everytime someone I knew would come to talk to me, I became

very nervous and shakey. After we left, once the stress was over, I

began to feel better and went home to " recover " . Do you really

believe that increasing the HC could take care of this stuff?

> What dose/schedule do you think would be appropriate for my 205

weight without suppressing my own production?

>

>

>

>

> Re: newbie w/multi questions

>

>

> Hi ! Imagine meeting you here! LOL Anyway my suggestion

would be

> to try the higher HC dosage as it is WAY easier to customize to JUST

> what your body needs and WHEN you need it which is just as

important. on

> the 20MG you are on now, what are your symptoms and when ?

>

> --

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>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

--- What are your Basal temps? Are they still low? (taken before you

get up in the morning as soon as you wake)

I know one other girlie who is having terrible trouble from the

mercury chelation thing - it's really upset all her meds.

Hopefully Val or someone can help you with your other questions but

the sugar craving has to have a reason. Perhaps you were on the wrong

dose of HC at that time for your needs?

Swiss

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " C.

Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

>

> My temp is 98.6 without Armour but I decided to get back on Armour

due to

> feeling cold a lot. I am currently on 1grain at 7:00 a.m., a half

grain at

> noon, another half at 5:00, and another half grain at 10:00.

>

> I have been on HC for almost a year now. I have been on 15 mgs a

day and

> increased to 30 mgs a day. At 30 mgs all I wanted to do was eat

pastries

> and ice cream and did not feel like exercising at all. I am currently

> weaning to 5 mg every 4 hours hoping that will help me drop the weight.

>

> Am going to naturopath/chiropractor for saliva testing and that is

another

> reason I am weaning from HC. However, I was on it a long time so I

have had

> adrenal support every time I did Armour or T3. And my temps have

been 98.6

> for months. Don't have a clue what is going on unless it is related

to the

> mercury filling removal. I have been in chelation treatments for

months.

>

> -- Re: newbie w/multi questions

>

> How much Armour (or ??? thyroid meds) are you on now?

>

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>

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--- I am sure this has been mentioned already but I'll mention it

anyway cos it's such a common problem...

If your Ferritin is low you will have the worse Palps and it makes

tolerating the Armour even more difficult.

My Ferritin is slowly crawling upwards now and I am on a good dose of

HC, but I am also learning that when I still can't tolerate the Armour

I try the following tactics:

1) I have to eek it out in very small doses during the day. You can

always take larger less frequent doses further down the line as you

get moer tolerant.

2) If the palps are bearable, and you know that your adrenals are well

supported, it is sometimes worth pushing through those 2-3 days of

palps. I have read that it is very common and your body just needs to

get used to the extra (T3?). I have experimented with this theory and

it does seem to right!

3) Go up in tiny tiny increments every week or so, instead of 1/2 Grain.

4) Some people stress dose the HC a little for the first 2-3 days of a

Armour dose raise.

5) Try changing the timing of your HC and Armour. Val sugested this to

me and it really helped. I tried taking the Armour 1/2 and hour BEFORE

my HC. It stopped the T3 sitting around in my blood and irritatin me

so much.

6) Someone else once suggested to me that when they get the shaky palp

attacks from an Armour increase, they take a stress dose of 5mgs of HC

and it stops it.

These are ideas which have helped me so far.

Swiss

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wrote:

>

> >>Val, I'm on one grain of thyroid and cannot tolerate anymore. Bad

news!!<<

>

> This is a sure sign you need more HC. But I would work with HC to

the max (at least 35MG if you need it) before going back to Pred.

>

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Here is the schedule for a 5 day prednisolone taper: this clears out accumulated

stress from the adrenals:

USING 5 MG. TABLETS:

Day 1: 8 am: take 4----------12 noon: take 2

Day 2: 8 am: take 3----------12 noon: take 1.5

Day 3: 8 am: take 2----------12 noon: take 1

Day 4: 8 am: take 1----------12 noon: take .5

Day 5: 8 am: take .5---------12 noon: take 0

This must be rigidly adhered to. You CANNOT skip or stray from this schedule.

If you do, it will be VERY uncomfortable. Otherwise, it's generally a bit

euphoric and can sometimes feel like a roller coaster ride. This taper is

outlined in Dr. andrew cutler's book " Mercury Amalgam Illness " for people who

have adrenal fatigue and need to clear out stress. Of course then he also

advises to take HC up to 4 times daily on a regular schedule for adrenal

support. These tapers should only be done every 4 or more months, not any more

often than that.

Re: newbie w/multi questions

>

>

> I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you

need to

> experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks

start

> on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a

bedtime

> 2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you are

> having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me

wonders.

> 35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's

care that

> are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend

that. I

> feel most can get better with 30MG.

>

> --

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>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

My temps are mostly normal. I was on medral for a 2 days during the summer

when I had surgery and high dosed HC for several weeks and started tapering

down very slowly as I healed, to a more normal dose. The weight gain seems

to have really increased during the taper down. I then restarted Armour

thyroid again. I have had no thyroid dumps since I started thyroid two

weeks ago and am now on 2 1/2 grains a day. I am weaning the HC so I can be

tested in a week but when I wean I hurt all over.

-- Re: newbie w/multi questions

>

> How much Armour (or ??? thyroid meds) are you on now?

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

that seems like a very fast taper.............

-- Re: Re: newbie w/multi questions

Here is the schedule for a 5 day prednisolone taper: this clears out

accumulated stress from the adrenals:

USING 5 MG. TABLETS:

Day 1: 8 am: take 4----------12 noon: take 2

Day 2: 8 am: take 3----------12 noon: take 1.5

Day 3: 8 am: take 2----------12 noon: take 1

Day 4: 8 am: take 1----------12 noon: take .5

Day 5: 8 am: take .5---------12 noon: take 0

This must be rigidly adhered to. You CANNOT skip or stray from this schedule

If you do, it will be VERY uncomfortable. Otherwise, it's generally a bit

euphoric and can sometimes feel like a roller coaster ride. This taper is

outlined in Dr. andrew cutler's book " Mercury Amalgam Illness " for people

who have adrenal fatigue and need to clear out stress. Of course then he

also advises to take HC up to 4 times daily on a regular schedule for

adrenal support. These tapers should only be done every 4 or more months,

not any more often than that.

Re: newbie w/multi questions

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> I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you

need to

> experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks

start

> on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a

bedtime

> 2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you are

> having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me

wonders.

> 35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's

care that

> are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend

that. I

> feel most can get better with 30MG.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for posting that . That looks kind of scary to me. Have

you done this yourself?

> >

> > Hey Val,

> >

> > Would it help you at all if I told you that about 8 months ago I did

> a 5 day prednisolone taper (on my own) as per Dr. Cutler's

> schedule/protocol in his mercury toxicity book that I have. He tells

> you to use 5 mg. tablets, which I did and I took them for five days

> twice a day per his recommended schedule, when by the fifth day, I

> went down to zero.

> >

> > In looking back now, doing this allowed me to feel the best I had

> felt in a long time adrenally and for the first time in a long long

> time I almost felt like a normal person. Does that tell you anything?

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> > Re: newbie w/multi questions

> >

> >

> > I really can't tell you what will work for you except that you

> need to

> > experiment with the dose and timing of it. What I have most folks

> start

> > on after the 20 doesn't seem like enough is a 10-7.5-5 -5 then a

> bedtime

> > 2.5mg. I have talked to people with ALOT worse symptoms than you

are

> > having g that got relief from higher HC doses. 30 worked for me

> wonders.

> > 35 is working for some and i know of two people under doctor's

> care that

> > are on 40MG though I am not brave enough to actually recommend

> that. I

> > feel most can get better with 30MG.

> >

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> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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Sorry,

In reading back through this post I see that you did do this a while back.