Re: ok got our lyme tests back today

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Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine. Band 34 is also specific for Lyme. Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes. There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this more on the IGM western blot we were possitive on31 +++34 IND41+83-93 + possitive IGENEX but not CDC on the IGG western blot 31 +34 IND39 IND58 + INGENEX possitivenot CDC I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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ok so it's unlikly that he GOT a lyme vaccination. so why would those numbers be so high, IF he has true lyme it would be from invitro I would think. I pullwed 8 deer tics of me for weeks when I was a missionary in europe. I got really sick and passed out on a refuge camp and ended up in the hostpial in Czech. they said I had something like mono but NOT mono. I was hosptialized for 2 days, blood drawn every few days, very little foods and lots of meds I had no idea what i was taking. I was pregant 6 months later.

so this is all new for me to research waht is the spirochete?

RE: ok got our lyme tests back today

Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine.

Band 34 is also specific for Lyme.

Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes.

There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

mcfighter@...

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today

ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this more

on the IGM western blot

we were possitive on

31 +++

34 IND

41+

83-93 +

possitive IGENEX

but not CDC

on the IGG western blot

31 +

34 IND

39 IND

58 +

INGENEX possitive

not CDC

I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious

also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.

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ok I have done some reading and have some concerns, I know my youngest was hospitalized for weeks on end (the next one being tested for lyme) with a gram rod infetion, they never did figure it out. after reading up on some of the bands that showed in my son I have a few questions perhaps some on here can answer

first off read up on spirochetes- will oxygen feed or kill this? we are getting ready to do some HBOT in a few weeks.

it also talks about strep in this which our son has PANDAS that just got dxed with lyme. I assume these 2 combind in this area.

we have been treating with clymindamycin daily, azithromyacin every 10th day and flucanzole and he is IGE defient. I am trying to peice all this together!

I have an appointment with our LLMD next week and I am bringing in his list of suppliments ect to patch this altogether and we meet with our DAN the week after who is an immuniologist trying to figure out why we can not fix his IGE deficency. anyone ever peice any of this together. we have recovered him from Autism but his PANDAS is that LAST bit plaguing us and i KNOW somehow this all ties together. even reading I have some theoryies on how this plays in on his liver issues, and enzymes non producing issues,,,....biofilms, and lactose intollerence

RE: ok got our lyme tests back today

Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine.

Band 34 is also specific for Lyme.

Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes.

There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

mcfighter@...

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today

ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this more

on the IGM western blot

we were possitive on

31 +++

34 IND

41+

83-93 +

possitive IGENEX

but not CDC

on the IGG western blot

31 +

34 IND

39 IND

58 +

INGENEX possitive

not CDC

I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious

also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.

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The numbers are high because he has been exposed to Borrelia burgdorferi, the bacterial spirochete that causes Lyme disease. And yes, it is possible that he was exposed in utero, given your history of tick bites and illness shortly before you became pregnant. The Lyme vaccine had a short life, from 1999 to about 2001, before it was pulled from the market due to “poor sales”. What they did not mention was the reason for the poor sales were the numerous reports of a Lyme-like illness that followed vaccination. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: ok got our lyme tests back today ok so it's unlikly that he GOT a lyme vaccination. so why would those numbers be so high, IF he has true lyme it would be from invitro I would think. I pullwed 8 deer tics of me for weeks when I was a missionary in europe. I got really sick and passed out on a refuge camp and ended up in the hostpial in Czech. they said I had something like mono but NOT mono. I was hosptialized for 2 days, blood drawn every few days, very little foods and lots of meds I had no idea what i was taking. I was pregant 6 months later. so this is all new for me to research waht is the spirochete? RE: ok got our lyme tests back today Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine. Band 34 is also specific for Lyme. Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes.There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity.Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@...From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this moreon the IGM western blotwe were possitive on31 +++34 IND41+83-93 +possitive IGENEX but not CDCon the IGG western blot31 +34 IND39 IND58 +INGENEX possitivenot CDCI have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curiousalso in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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Lyme spirochetes do not like oxygen. They prefer a low oxygen environment. Many people have reported positive results with hyperbaric therapy, others have experienced flares in symptoms. It is possible that some of the infections that often accompany Lyme may love oxygen and thrive during hyperbaric treatments, which would result in a flare of symptoms. Two of the main suspects, in my opinion, are Bartonella and Babesia, since both of these organisms like to parasitize red blood cells. You might want to get him tested for infections before starting hyperbaric. Just be aware that testing results in many false negatives, similar to Lyme tests. Any test that depends on immune response is going to have false negatives, and PCRs are only accurate if you happen to capture an organism in the sample. Best to have a long chat with the LLMD before proceeding with oxygen therapy. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:36 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: ok got our lyme tests back today ok I have done some reading and have some concerns, I know my youngest was hospitalized for weeks on end (the next one being tested for lyme) with a gram rod infetion, they never did figure it out. after reading up on some of the bands that showed in my son I have a few questions perhaps some on here can answer first off read up on spirochetes- will oxygen feed or kill this? we are getting ready to do some HBOT in a few weeks. it also talks about strep in this which our son has PANDAS that just got dxed with lyme. I assume these 2 combind in this area. we have been treating with clymindamycin daily, azithromyacin every 10th day and flucanzole and he is IGE defient. I am trying to peice all this together! I have an appointment with our LLMD next week and I am bringing in his list of suppliments ect to patch this altogether and we meet with our DAN the week after who is an immuniologist trying to figure out why we can not fix his IGE deficency. anyone ever peice any of this together. we have recovered him from Autism but his PANDAS is that LAST bit plaguing us and i KNOW somehow this all ties together. even reading I have some theoryies on how this plays in on his liver issues, and enzymes non producing issues,,,....biofilms, and lactose intollerence RE: ok got our lyme tests back today Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine. Band 34 is also specific for Lyme. Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes.There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity.Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@...From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this moreon the IGM western blotwe were possitive on31 +++34 IND41+83-93 +possitive IGENEX but not CDCon the IGG western blot31 +34 IND39 IND58 +INGENEX possitivenot CDCI have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curiousalso in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5605 (20101109) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com

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I have seen the reports that the Lyme vaccine was causing people to develop the

symptoms of Lyme Disease. Maybe there is a clue in there as to what is

happening to our children with autism.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> The numbers are high because he has been exposed to Borrelia burgdorferi,

> the bacterial spirochete that causes Lyme disease. And yes, it is possible

> that he was exposed in utero, given your history of tick bites and illness

> shortly before you became pregnant. The Lyme vaccine had a short life, from

> 1999 to about 2001, before it was pulled from the market due to " poor

> sales " . What they did not mention was the reason for the poor sales were

> the numerous reports of a Lyme-like illness that followed vaccination.

>

>

>

> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

>

> mcfighter@...

>

>

>

> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of

> Christel King

> Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:42 PM

> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

> Subject: Re: ok got our lyme tests

> back today

>

>

>

>

>

> ok so it's unlikly that he GOT a lyme vaccination. so why would those

> numbers be so high, IF he has true lyme it would be from invitro I would

> think. I pullwed 8 deer tics of me for weeks when I was a missionary in

> europe. I got really sick and passed out on a refuge camp and ended up in

> the hostpial in Czech. they said I had something like mono but NOT mono. I

> was hosptialized for 2 days, blood drawn every few days, very little foods

> and lots of meds I had no idea what i was taking. I was pregant 6 months

> later.

>

>

>

> so this is all new for me to research waht is the spirochete?

>

>

>

> ok got our lyme tests back

> today

>

>

>

> ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters

> tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting

> this more

>

> on the IGM western blot

>

> we were possitive on

>

> 31 +++

>

> 34 IND

>

> 41+

>

> 83-93 +

>

> possitive IGENEX

>

> but not CDC

>

> on the IGG western blot

>

> 31 +

>

> 34 IND

>

> 39 IND

>

> 58 +

>

> INGENEX possitive

>

> not CDC

>

> I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious

>

> also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I

> look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is

> herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV

> (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that

> hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.

>

>

>

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Currently, there is much controversy concerning Lyme. It's a bit scarey

actually to see docs getting into trouble seemingly just for treating patients

for Lyme. Due to this high controversy on how to diagnose and treat Lyme, Lyme

test results will be interpreted differently by different practitioners. Of

course, most on the Lyme forums beleive that Lyme is a long-term illness that is

very difficult to treat. Special doctors called LLMDs or alternative health

practitioners, like herbalists and naturopaths are recommended. Many of the

recommended treatments are very similar to autism biomed treatments.

From what I have seen, it appears that most LLMDs and naturopaths would call an

Igenex positive Lyme test, positive for Lyme Disease if the patient has current

symptoms. Symptoms of Lyme include just about every symptom out there because

of the way it damages the immune system, rendering the whole body to work amiss.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> ok so it's unlikly that he GOT a lyme vaccination. so why would those numbers

be so high, IF he has true lyme it would be from invitro I would think. I

pullwed 8 deer tics of me for weeks when I was a missionary in europe. I got

really sick and passed out on a refuge camp and ended up in the hostpial in

Czech. they said I had something like mono but NOT mono. I was hosptialized

for 2 days, blood drawn every few days, very little foods and lots of meds I had

no idea what i was taking. I was pregant 6 months later.

>

> so this is all new for me to research waht is the spirochete?

>

> ok got our lyme tests back

today

>

>

>

>

>

> ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters

tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting

this more

>

>

>

> on the IGM western blot

>

>

>

> we were possitive on

>

> 31 +++

>

> 34 IND

>

> 41+

>

> 83-93 +

>

>

>

> possitive IGENEX

>

> but not CDC

>

>

>

>

>

> on the IGG western blot

>

>

>

> 31 +

>

> 34 IND

>

> 39 IND

>

> 58 +

>

>

>

> INGENEX possitive

>

> not CDC

>

>

>

> I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious

>

>

>

> also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I

look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is

herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV

(believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis

c???) haven't tested on that one.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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we have done HBOT before and were on antibiotics and antifungal and has AMAZING Die off, some of the best, infact it was SO impressive we took pictures and FLOORED our unbelieveing primary. HE was so impressed he shared it with other drs. I still have the pictures. TONS of yeast and bacteria junk for days coming out~! then finally solid stools we only got with secretin. we meet with the LLMD next week and the DAN the week after that has the DAN so we will see what he has to say.

RE: ok got our lyme tests back today

Band 31 is highly specific for Lyme. It is one of the bands removed from the standard Western Blot because it was being used in the failed Lyme vaccine.

Band 34 is also specific for Lyme.

Band 41 is cross-reactive for other spirochetes.

There is no current vaccine available. People are getting re-infected with subsequent tick bites. If the whole spirochete does not produce immunity, I seriously doubt that a part of the spirochete will produce immunity.

Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN

mcfighter@...

From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Christel KingSent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 4:42 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: ok got our lyme tests back today

ok got copies of our sons test today and we are drawing on our daughters tommorrow. so can anyone help me with the coinfection stuff and interpeting this more

on the IGM western blot

we were possitive on

31 +++

34 IND

41+

83-93 +

possitive IGENEX

but not CDC

on the IGG western blot

31 +

34 IND

39 IND

58 +

INGENEX possitive

not CDC

I have heard people talk about bands, and coinfections so I am curious

also in the info we recieved it talks about a lyme vaccination, what would I look for on that in records? it also talked about HSV (guessing that is herpies?? which we have done a panel and are fine on, no issues) and EBV (believe that test came back fine as well in the past) and HCV (is that hepitis c???) haven't tested on that one.

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