Guest guest Posted October 5, 2000 Report Share Posted October 5, 2000 Uh-oh! Ken Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess > > > > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a > > > > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare > > > > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car . > > > > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my > > > > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to > > > > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and > > > > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that > > > > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad > > > > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck > > > > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I > > > > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! . > > > > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its > > > > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when > > > > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who > > > > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not > > > > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not > > > > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that > > > > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! . > > > > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some > > > > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will > > > > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety > > > > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics > > > > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the > > > > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities ( > > > > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks . > > > > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills > > > > >> > > > > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote: > > > > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the > > > > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever > > > > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without > > > > >> > a helmet?????It has been > > > > >> > proven that helmets save lives. > > > > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear > > > > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but > > > > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our > > > > >> > lawmakers have any > > > > >> > common sense? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> __________________________________________________ > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Well said Gene, I will start signing my full name. I'm not ashamed of my views and if someone doesn't agree that's OK because I don't agree with everyone else's views either. But like you, going by an anonymous name makes it awfully easy to say things about people without any one really being able to take you to task for it. If nothing else, Gene, you and Jana have guts and that's what I admire about you two. If this person doesn't like my views on trying to change the laws, (and believe me I am not a real political person-I cringe when someone asked me what party I belong to because I vote my conscious, not a party!), that's his choice, however, his attack on us was uncalled for! Glenda LloydEMTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Alan: This is probably the best said plan on Helmet wearing I've heard so far. Though I hope ALL in EMS would want everyone in a helmet, just as we require children to wear them in the Houston area while riding bicycles, you can't make everyone do it. Just as with seat belts. I put my on automatically, have to keep reminding husband who is ex-EMT because he says 1. He can't stand being strapped in 2. Government has no right telling him what to do even though he can get a ticket for it 3. He has first hand experience with MVAs where the occupants didn't wear seat belts and we found them on the outside of the vehicle upon arrival-usally evicted through a windshield or a side window! Glenda LloydEMTI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Gene: Could it be that MBF's (MansBestFriend) name is, in fact, Fido? If so, I'm not sure I'd sign my true name either. I might consider suing my parents for it, though. ;^) Dave Say, if they remake " To Kill A Mockingbird, " you ought to audition for the part of Atticus Finch. Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess > > > > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a > > > > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare > > > > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car . > > > > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my > > > > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to > > > > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and > > > > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that > > > > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad > > > > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck > > > > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I > > > > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! . > > > > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its > > > > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when > > > > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who > > > > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not > > > > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not > > > > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that > > > > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! . > > > > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some > > > > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will > > > > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety > > > > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics > > > > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the > > > > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities ( > > > > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks . > > > > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills > > > > >> > > > > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote: > > > > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the > > > > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever > > > > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without > > > > >> > a helmet?????It has been > > > > >> > proven that helmets save lives. > > > > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear > > > > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but > > > > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our > > > > >> > lawmakers have any > > > > >> > common sense? > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> __________________________________________________ > > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 I would like to but in just long enough to say that the helmet law issue will be resolved about as easily as the abortion issue. Whatever side you take doesn't make you any more right than you are wrong. Someone is going to get their rights infringed upon either way. Personally, I will wear a helmet when I ride a bike, just as I will wear a seatbelt in a car. But I'm not going to tell someone (unless it's my kid)they have to wear a helmet, that's their choice. Just my opinion. OK, round two! Alan Norris, NREMT-B Oak Cliff F.D. Logan Co., OK Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law > > > > > > > > > > > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess > > > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a > > > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare > > > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car . > > > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my > > > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to > > > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and > > > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that > > > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad > > > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck > > > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I > > > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! . > > > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its > > > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when > > > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who > > > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not > > > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not > > > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that > > > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! . > > > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some > > > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will > > > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety > > > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics > > > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the > > > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities ( > > > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks . > > > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills > > > >> > > > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote: > > > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the > > > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever > > > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without > > > >> > a helmet?????It has been > > > >> > proven that helmets save lives. > > > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear > > > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but > > > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our > > > >> > lawmakers have any > > > >> > common sense? > > > >> > > > > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> __________________________________________________ > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Personal attacks! Personal attacks! I was under the impression that all EMS professionals are thick skinned and know to let personal attacks pass them by. Maybe it is not the perceived personal attacks but that little grain of truth that really bothers you. Big Ern PS Figure out who I am. I too have posted my name before. This time I choose to post a pseudoname. Any objections? At 12:57 AM 10/6/00 -0400, you wrote: >Well I don't know about the other two you vented at, but I know from where I >speak about " politically attacking " a law or rule set by our government. I >didn't put your shorts in a wad and I would appreciate it if you would be >gentlemanly enough to be more specific when addressing me! I normally don't >get up set, that is what these post are for, to state our views, and I agree >that if you want to ride a motorcylce without a helmet, honey, just hop on it >and go a hundred miles and hour and when one of your comrades in your area >has to scrape you up off the road, and you vegetate, you've no one to blame >but yourself. Jana has a right to her views, Gene has one to his and I have >mine and you have yours and that's the end of that. >Whatever caused you to have such a bad day and take your frustrations out on >us three, I'm truly sorry. Like I said your entitled to your own opinion and >we to ours. I know that big businesses lobby the government for what they >want, and if EMS isn't a big business, what is it. It's job opportunities >for us all!! And that what big business is too. >So before you jump down our throats again, please atleast stop to think you >have your right to post your feelings about a subject without being so rude >to others and we have a right to post also. I was very rude to Ron H. but I >was woman enough to apologize both on post and to his email address. My >guess you never will. You probably are like some of the firefigher/ems I >know/ I know it all and no one will ever change my mind! > >NOW-that's my spin on your attack on the 3 of us. Jana hang in there. I >don't approve of your smoking, but it's your life. I don't have to scrape >you off the road because you didn't wear a helmet! And Gene didn't deserve >to be attacked either. Only a coward hides behind his handle. I don't mind >signing my full name as I have done in many post. > >Glenda Lloyd, EMTI > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 Jana, You can count to a dozen or two dozen, even more. The fact still remains that we all have the right to make our own choices. What about the person that has a living will or a DNR. Its their choice. We can't pick and choose what rights we think people have. Henry Jana Jordan wrote: > Let's see, let's go over the messages from the last day or so, and see > if > I'm the only one who feels this way? NO, why my goodness! I just > can't > believe it, I'm not alone with believing it costs innocent people > money when > bikers don't wear helmets? Mercy! Let's take a count, now, all > together, > 1, 2, 3, 4. . . . . . > > Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!! > Jana > FW,TX > > Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law > > > > > > > > > > > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess > > > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a > > > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare > > > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car . > > > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my > > > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to > > > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and > > > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that > > > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad > > > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck > > > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I > > > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! . > > > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its > > > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when > > > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who > > > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not > > > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not > > > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that > > > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! . > > > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some > > > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will > > > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety > > > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics > > > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the > > > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities ( > > > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks . > > > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills > > > >> > > > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote: > > > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the > > > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever > > > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without > > > >> > a helmet?????It has been > > > >> > proven that helmets save lives. > > > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear > > > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but > > > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our > > > >> > lawmakers have any > > > >> > common sense? > > > >> > > > > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> __________________________________________________ > > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2000 Report Share Posted October 6, 2000 I truly don't care who you are! Or for that matter, your opinions either or what name you go by. You are acting like a child and this is supposed to be a place where we can say how we feel, even if others don't agree with our view on a subject, such as the Helmet law and get feedback. It might not be the feedback that agrees with our view, but it is feedback that someone else values and there will always be those who agree with that person 2nd person's view. That's why there are 2 sides to each view/story and as far as my political potential or whatever you want to call it. I spent quiet a few years lobbying in person, writing so many letters-they couldn't be massed produced my boss insisted I typed each one personally and make it a personal letter, and sending the Western Union letters that were all alike but to different reps. So I think I know how a law can be lobbied for and passed or failed. What have you ever done to help a cause you truly believed in? Because this was something I BELIEVED in. Medicare problems and the elderly!! Glenda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2000 Report Share Posted October 30, 2000 Ok I going to do it. Yes I'm have been a medic for many years and yes I have been known to get on a bike. Yes Helmets have been known to save lives. Yes some of the laws do seem wrong in many areas. Is the seat belt law right? Does having a seat belt inplace make you a better driver? No its a law to protect us from ourselves as are most. Who cares about a helmet law anyway. Its simple if you wish to protect yourself if you ride, put on the right clothing and a helmet. If not you could die or be severly injured. Why must we make the GOV. protect the " adults " of this great state. I'm sure some will say that it drives up our insurance rates when a person without insurance it treated at a hospital s/p mva, but what is the ratio of those without helments in our ERs and NICU units to those who have smoked, drinked and abused drugs over the years. Lets lobby to outlaw those things. Lets set weight limits on people so we have less patients with IDDM, MIs, HNT, CVAs, ect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2000 Report Share Posted October 31, 2000 I used to work with a paramedic on our VFD who would use the PA in the trucks to remind parents to buckle their kids into the car seats. When I asked why he did it, he pointed out that not only could the kid suffer, but there was also undue strain on the EMS/fire and who emergency services systems when a person was hurt due to this type of preventable accident. This includes the risk to the responders driving Code 3 to the call, the mental toll it takes from dealing with our friends/family/neighbors/strangers who decided to test the structural integrity of asphalt with their skulls, the health care resources used to safe this person who didn't want to be safe in the first place, etc., etc. Public health has lots of example of legislating preventive health measures...tobacco sale to minors, seat belts, kids car seats, safe water and sewer systems, food inspections, standards for health care providers and equipment. The list is endless, for there is not a day that goes by in which you are not protected by some level of public health law, regulation or intervention. Which public health measure do we need to do away with? To: egroups From: CALLEN43@... Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2000 18:02:26 EST Reply-to: egroups Subject: Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law Ok I going to do it. Yes I'm have been a medic for many years and yes I have been known to get on a bike. Yes Helmets have been known to save lives. Yes some of the laws do seem wrong in many areas. Is the seat belt law right? Does having a seat belt inplace make you a better driver? No its a law to protect us from ourselves as are most. Who cares about a helmet law anyway. Its simple if you wish to protect yourself if you ride, put on the right clothing and a helmet. If not you could die or be severly injured. Why must we make the GOV. protect the " adults " of this great state. I'm sure some will say that it drives up our insurance rates when a person without insurance it treated at a hospital s/p mva, but what is the ratio of those without helments in our ERs and NICU units to those who have smoked, drinked and abused drugs over the years. Lets lobby to outlaw those things. Lets set weight limits on people so we have less patients with IDDM, MIs, HNT, CVAs, ect. Barry Sharp, MSHP, EMT, CHES Education Specialist Office of Tobacco Prevention & Control Texas Department of Health barry.sharp@... Check out the coolest tobacco sites on the web: www.ducktexas.com www.dontgetburned.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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