Re: Helmet law

[Guest guest]

Texas has some very stange logic when it comes to law.

This is a state that will fine you for not wearing a seat belt, but let you

drive 70 mph on a two-wheeled, motorized, open air vehicle without a seat belt

(or a helmet). This is also the state that willing gives up $75 million dollars

of federal funds because it doesn't want to penalize anyone for having open

alcholol containers in the " moving, operational vehicles. "

Go figure!

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From: Trauma2002@...[sMTP:Trauma2002@...]

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Subject: [texasems-L] Helmet law

This has been a real issue with me. What were the lawmakers thinking whenever

they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without a helmet?????It has been

proven that helmets save lives.

How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear seatbelts in an automobile, but

you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our lawmakers have any

common sense?

Gene Sullinger EMT-P

[Guest guest]

I understand Pr1's logic, but, putting a seat belt on motorcycles sure

wouldn't help the person on the motorcycle. I cringe everytime I see someone

on a cycle without a helmet, long pants, preferably the same protective gear

mandated in this area for bicycle riders. I had a cousin killed in the 50's

who was hit by a firetruck going through an intersection. If we'd had a

helmet law that mandated he wear one, I'd still have a cousin. As an EMTI I

wish we could band together and lobby Austin to mandate better safety laws

for motorcyclist, whether they like the laws or not. Not everyone likes

seatbelts, but most wear them, and if you don't you can be given a ticket for

it. Same for seatbelting children properly. So why can't we get a Helmet

Law that states EVERYONE must wear at least a helmet and hopefully safety

gear. I'd be willing to help with this campaign if we could get it going.

LloydEMTI

[Guest guest]

Gene,

No, they don't. In fact, they don't have brains at all, just

large counting devices that record what their constituents tell

them, and the more money they have, the more it counts. So,

if 100 people, some with money, say " no helmets " , and no one

tells them " yes, helmets " , the counters go to work and the answer

is: No helmets. Don't confuse them with facts, and what does

logic have to do with it anyway?

I have a friend who has substantial brain damage from a minor

accident on a motorcycle with no helmet. Riding again. Still

no helmet. Go figure.

=Steve=

Steve , EMT-P

>--- Original Message ---

>From: Trauma2002@...

>To: egroups

>Date: 10/2/00 11:56:14 PM

>

>Do any of our lawmakers have any common sense?

>

>Gene Sullinger EMT-P

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jana & Gene: I agree with both of you and would be willing to try to help in

any way I can. I don't work right now (though I am commented to PT 3x week

x1 MO) but I got really good at writing letters to reps and even going to

state and Washington level to go one on one with the reps (little good it

did-with other DME companies from this area when Medicare started cutting

what they were paying us for equipment). So write letters I can do. And

lots of them. Just tell me what you want done and I will try to do it. I

will need a list of all the Texas reps but with a computer to write the

letters it wouldn't take long to get the ball rolling.

Another thing yall can do. I won't be able to go to the conference this

year, however, start petitions and get as many signatures, with addresses if

possible, so that each rep will know how many in his area is concerned about

this absurd law and mail it to the House of Reps! And send our Governor one

too! If he is going to run for President, the least he can do before he

leaves here, if he does (LOL) is help in passing a Great Helmet Law!

LloydEMTI

[Guest guest]

To all concerned on the issue of helmet laws:

(And I am writing this under my partner's account)

I have only read a few of the posts on this issue and

the biggest point has not been adequately brought

up...It is OUR choice! I ride motorcycles (incidently,

so does my partner) and I am glad the no helmet law

was passed and I obey it. I am a Paramedic and yes I

have seen what not wearing them can do, but no one has

the right to tell me I have to wear one. I agree with

the seatbelt law because an unrestrained person in a

vehicle can be thrown into a restrained person in the

same vehicle, killing or seriously injuring them. That

is not the case with motorcyles so I do not believe I

am endangering anyone else. Besides, if you

reinstitute the helmet law we will do what people in

other states that have similar laws do, buy and wear

" illegals " just to shove it in everyone's face. None

of you citizens have the right to tell anyone else

that they have to wear a helmet. Second, I can't

believe what I think I read (I did not read the entire

post because I can't believe this is an issue)about

seatbelts on motorcycles! That is the most ridiculous

thing! Obviously this idea has not been brought up by

people that ride (and ride well.) First rule when you

are going to crash is push away from the bike unless

it is a controlled laying down of the bike and even

then you are riding on top of the bike. You cannot do

this with a seatbelt on the bike. The last thing I

want to do is be attached to at least 500lbs of metal

flipping down the street or highway, with a piece of

flesh attached to it that used to be me. If that were

passed all it would accomplish is the mortality rates

involved with motorcycle crashes would rise, with or

without a helmet. You would also have a lot of

seatbelts in your city/county dumps. Seatbelts on

bikes are just as crazy as airbags on bikes, which by

the way, Honda has already tested. I have to say I am

concerned that this is being brought up again. I

personally will fight this to the end, and if you

guys win, I will buy an illegal helmet. The AMA

(American Motorcyclist Association)has a strong voice

and are pro-rider. Which is the way it should be. I am

sorry for those people that have lost relatives or

friends due to crashes but it was THEIR decision. We

live with other peoples decisions everyday, whether we

agree or disagree. I am also sorry if I made anyone

mad with my post, but that is also my right. I look

foward to your responses even though I believe they

will be unAmerican in the sense that because you

disagree you will take it to a personal level. (Yes, I

have seen this take place on this list server many

times.) Everyone take care and....LET THOSE THAT RIDE

DECIDE!

--- LloydEMTI@... wrote:

> I understand Pr1's logic, but, putting a seat belt

> on motorcycles sure

> wouldn't help the person on the motorcycle. I

> cringe everytime I see someone

> on a cycle without a helmet, long pants, preferably

> the same protective gear

> mandated in this area for bicycle riders. I had a

> cousin killed in the 50's

> who was hit by a firetruck going through an

> intersection. If we'd had a

> helmet law that mandated he wear one, I'd still have

> a cousin. As an EMTI I

> wish we could band together and lobby Austin to

> mandate better safety laws

> for motorcyclist, whether they like the laws or not.

> Not everyone likes

> seatbelts, but most wear them, and if you don't you

> can be given a ticket for

> it. Same for seatbelting children properly. So why

> can't we get a Helmet

> Law that states EVERYONE must wear at least a helmet

> and hopefully safety

> gear. I'd be willing to help with this campaign if

> we could get it going.

>

> LloydEMTI

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

By the way, my name is Brad Gross and my email address

is gross72@... not millsj66. I wanted to leave

my address so that you could respond directly to me.

--- LloydEMTI@... wrote:

> I understand Pr1's logic, but, putting a seat belt

> on motorcycles sure

> wouldn't help the person on the motorcycle. I

> cringe everytime I see someone

> on a cycle without a helmet, long pants, preferably

> the same protective gear

> mandated in this area for bicycle riders. I had a

> cousin killed in the 50's

> who was hit by a firetruck going through an

> intersection. If we'd had a

> helmet law that mandated he wear one, I'd still have

> a cousin. As an EMTI I

> wish we could band together and lobby Austin to

> mandate better safety laws

> for motorcyclist, whether they like the laws or not.

> Not everyone likes

> seatbelts, but most wear them, and if you don't you

> can be given a ticket for

> it. Same for seatbelting children properly. So why

> can't we get a Helmet

> Law that states EVERYONE must wear at least a helmet

> and hopefully safety

> gear. I'd be willing to help with this campaign if

> we could get it going.

>

> LloydEMTI

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

paramedic . That being said please dont compare

wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

--- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> lawmakers thinking whenever

> they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> a helmet?????It has been

> proven that helmets save lives.

> How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> seatbelts in an automobile, but

> you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> lawmakers have any

> common sense?

>

> Gene Sullinger EMT-P

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hey all:

The repeal of the mandatory helmet laws was due solely to the political

actions and lobbying of the state legislature by organized motorcycle riders

that has been described as a model for the decade.. They presented a " no

nonsense " " non-emotional " plan. They identified key legislators and lobbyed

them by the book. They had various lobby waves and an organized

administration. The participants ran from the gnarly Harly riders to the

salt and pepper haired Gold Wing riders. They kept it low key, got the

support of key legislators, and the law is history. If only EMS could be so

effective with a legislative agenda.

I also ride big motorcycles. I choose to wear a helmet. But, I paid the

$5.00 fee for the exepmtion sticker just in case I ever change my mind. I

like to know I have the freedom to choose.

Just my thoughts.

Bledsoe, DO

j

[Guest guest]

Amen ! Maybe we should focus more energy on getting our coworkers off

alcohol or drugs! This really endangers people's lives..especially when they

go to work " high " or still drunk..this is a big problem in our profession

(nursing and ems) and definitely needs to be addressed instead of ignored!

Lola Dorsett-Reyna

LPN/LEMTP

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>To: egroups

>Subject: Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

>Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2000 23:44:41 -0700 (PDT)

>

>I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

>but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

>paramedic . That being said please dont compare

>wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

>Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

>partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

>pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

>helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

>seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

>thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

>and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

>dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

>And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

>time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

>they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

>ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

>to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

>wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

>individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

>Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

>politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

>save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

>lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

>driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

>ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

>helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

>

>--- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > a helmet?????It has been

> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > lawmakers have any

> > common sense?

> >

> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> >

>

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Dr Bledsoe,

I hope you always remain as wise as your are today...keep the helmet on.

[Guest guest]

:

I speak as a old motorcylist and as a tax payer. As long as not one cent of

MY tax money goes to pay for the rehabilitation, long term care of, or

family support for a motorcyclist who is brain injured because he or she

won't wear a helmet, I stand with the freedom-to-choose crowd. Since my

money and that of a lot of other hard working people WILL end up footing the

bills for these peoples' care and family upkeep, I have to say we need the

mandatory helmet law restored. Your freedom to choose has built into it the

freedom to inflict a financial burden on society that I find unacceptable.

Dave

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> To all concerned on the issue of helmet laws:

> (And I am writing this under my partner's account)

> I have only read a few of the posts on this issue and

> the biggest point has not been adequately brought

> up...It is OUR choice! I ride motorcycles (incidently,

> so does my partner) and I am glad the no helmet law

> was passed and I obey it. I am a Paramedic and yes I

> have seen what not wearing them can do, but no one has

> the right to tell me I have to wear one. I agree with

> the seatbelt law because an unrestrained person in a

> vehicle can be thrown into a restrained person in the

> same vehicle, killing or seriously injuring them. That

> is not the case with motorcyles so I do not believe I

> am endangering anyone else. Besides, if you

> reinstitute the helmet law we will do what people in

> other states that have similar laws do, buy and wear

> " illegals " just to shove it in everyone's face. None

> of you citizens have the right to tell anyone else

> that they have to wear a helmet. Second, I can't

> believe what I think I read (I did not read the entire

> post because I can't believe this is an issue)about

> seatbelts on motorcycles! That is the most ridiculous

> thing! Obviously this idea has not been brought up by

> people that ride (and ride well.) First rule when you

> are going to crash is push away from the bike unless

> it is a controlled laying down of the bike and even

> then you are riding on top of the bike. You cannot do

> this with a seatbelt on the bike. The last thing I

> want to do is be attached to at least 500lbs of metal

> flipping down the street or highway, with a piece of

> flesh attached to it that used to be me. If that were

> passed all it would accomplish is the mortality rates

> involved with motorcycle crashes would rise, with or

> without a helmet. You would also have a lot of

> seatbelts in your city/county dumps. Seatbelts on

> bikes are just as crazy as airbags on bikes, which by

> the way, Honda has already tested. I have to say I am

> concerned that this is being brought up again. I

> personally will fight this to the end, and if you

> guys win, I will buy an illegal helmet. The AMA

> (American Motorcyclist Association)has a strong voice

> and are pro-rider. Which is the way it should be. I am

> sorry for those people that have lost relatives or

> friends due to crashes but it was THEIR decision. We

> live with other peoples decisions everyday, whether we

> agree or disagree. I am also sorry if I made anyone

> mad with my post, but that is also my right. I look

> foward to your responses even though I believe they

> will be unAmerican in the sense that because you

> disagree you will take it to a personal level. (Yes, I

> have seen this take place on this list server many

> times.) Everyone take care and....LET THOSE THAT RIDE

> DECIDE!

> --- LloydEMTI@... wrote:

> > I understand Pr1's logic, but, putting a seat belt

> > on motorcycles sure

> > wouldn't help the person on the motorcycle. I

> > cringe everytime I see someone

> > on a cycle without a helmet, long pants, preferably

> > the same protective gear

> > mandated in this area for bicycle riders. I had a

> > cousin killed in the 50's

> > who was hit by a firetruck going through an

> > intersection. If we'd had a

> > helmet law that mandated he wear one, I'd still have

> > a cousin. As an EMTI I

> > wish we could band together and lobby Austin to

> > mandate better safety laws

> > for motorcyclist, whether they like the laws or not.

> > Not everyone likes

> > seatbelts, but most wear them, and if you don't you

> > can be given a ticket for

> > it. Same for seatbelting children properly. So why

> > can't we get a Helmet

> > Law that states EVERYONE must wear at least a helmet

> > and hopefully safety

> > gear. I'd be willing to help with this campaign if

> > we could get it going.

> >

> > LloydEMTI

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

First, If you are trying to get EMS people together to change laws, I think

that you should come up with something better than taking peoples rights

away. If you dont ride a motorcycle stay out of it. If you are offened by

this post, good.

R. Saunders NREMT-P

[Guest guest]

That's what I like about Mr. Saunders, he always reserves his comments and holds

back! Thank you, Bobby!

In a message dated Thu, 5 Oct 2000 3:28:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

asystole25@... writes:

<< First, If you are trying to get EMS people together to change laws, I think

that you should come up with something better than taking peoples rights

away. If you dont ride a motorcycle stay out of it. If you are offened by

this post, good.

R. Saunders NREMT-P

>>

[Guest guest]

, now I know where your son gets it! No, it does harm other people when

you ride without a helmet. What about the person who's in the accident with

you that has to live with having killed a person for all their life? What

about me who has to suffer the increased taxes, increased insurance

premiums, etc. I'm tired of paying for stupid people to do stupid things!

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

>

> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > a helmet?????It has been

> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > lawmakers have any

> > common sense?

> >

> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

My most sincere apologies, this was not supposed to go to the list.

Thanks for understanding my " bubble " fingers.

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

>

>

> > I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> > but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> > paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> > wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> > Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> > partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> > pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> > helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> > seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> > thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> > and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> > dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> > And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> > time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> > they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> > ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> > to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> > wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> > individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> > Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> > politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> > save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> > lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> > driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> > ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> > helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> > RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> >

> > --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > > a helmet?????It has been

> > > proven that helmets save lives.

> > > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > > lawmakers have any

> > > common sense?

> > >

> > > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> > >

> >

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

[Guest guest]

Everyone,

Correct me if I am wrong, but did not the Texas Legislature pass the helmet

law indicating NOT that anyone can ride a motorcycle without a helmet,

period, but that IF you ride a motorcycle without a helmet, you are free to

do so, however, you must be able to prove up that you have insurance to take

care of your hospital bills IF you are injured. While personal freedom does

come into play here, where it was stepping on the public's toes was the folks

that got hurt and DID NOT HAVE INSURANCE, in which case, the taxpayers pick

up the bill. I believe the letter of the law is that if you do not have this

type of injury insurance, you still must wear a helmet to operate a

motorcycle, or be cited. As far as the RIDE FREE, LIVE FREE thing, I am all

for freedoms. What you should not have the freedom to do is make taxpayers

foot the bill if your riding free causes your brain to herniate through your

foramen magnum, and I think that was the point of the " helmet law " that has

been referred to here in this forum.

I don't ride, but in all fairness to the riders out there, I will make an

observation if folks will permit me. After more than eleven years on the box

in 9-1-1 service, literally ALL the motorcycle fatalities that I personally

have worked, (I believe seven in all, if memory serves), NONE of them were,

according to the legal definition, the motorcyclist's fault. In most cases, a

vehicle pulled out in front of them, or traffic patterns caused the problem.

Of course, that makes those motorcyclists just as deceased, no matter who was

at fault. Some had helmets on, some did not. If you are running a legal

seventy on the highway, and someone pulls out in front of you, I would submit

that a helmet may or may not really make that much difference.

Just a thought.

L. Grote, EMT-P

(my opinion, not the opinion of the.......)

Corpus Christi

Fire Department EMS

[Guest guest]

In my opinion, nothing is more stupid than smoking. Remember the number

one cause of death in th US is cardiovascular related. A direct link is

SMOKING!

You choose to go out smoking, the helmetless Harley rider wants to go out

without messing up their beautiful doo.

Ernie

At 11:29 AM 10/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

>, now I know where your son gets it! No, it does harm other people when

>you ride without a helmet. What about the person who's in the accident with

>you that has to live with having killed a person for all their life? What

>about me who has to suffer the increased taxes, increased insurance

>premiums, etc. I'm tired of paying for stupid people to do stupid things!

>

>Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

>Jana

>FW,TX

>

> Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

>

>

>> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

>> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

>> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

>> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

>> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

>> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

>> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

>> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

>> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

>> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

>> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

>> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

>> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

>> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

>> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

>> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

>> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

>> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

>> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

>> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

>> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

>> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

>> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

>> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

>> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

>> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

>> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

>>

>> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

>> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

>> > lawmakers thinking whenever

>> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

>> > a helmet?????It has been

>> > proven that helmets save lives.

>> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

>> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

>> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

>> > lawmakers have any

>> > common sense?

>> >

>> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

>> >

>>

>>

>> __________________________________________________

>>

[Guest guest]

:

You got it! That's one I frequently misspell. Thank Zeus for spellcheckers.

Dave

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> > >

> > >

> > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> > >>

> > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > >> > a helmet?????It has been

> > >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > >> > lawmakers have any

> > >> > common sense?

> > >> >

> > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> __________________________________________________

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Jana,

No matter how hard we try to, we can't live in a vacuum (Ok you spelling

guys, did I get it right?). I, when younger road a bike and wore a

helmet. I now have to argue daily about why my 12 year old son about why

he can't have a dirt bike or a four wheeler. My father had to do the

same for me. You know what? When I was out on my own, I went out and

bought a bike. Through the grace of god, no one used me for target

practice. I can control what my son buys while he is a minor. However,

after he is grown, he has the right to make his own choices. Get a bike

don't get a bike. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet. Smoke or not.

These are choices he will have to make on his own no matter how much it

worries me or his mom.

Insurance companies do not really care about our safety. They care about

the money they have to spend. Your insurance will continue to go up no

matter what happens. They will continue to find any excuse they can. If

you use insurance cost as a ruler. No one should be allowed to drive a

car, own a home, rent an apartment or own a business. All of these areas

generate a claim and are pointed at as the cause for increases.

And then we have the gun or no gun issue and the abortion or no abortion

issue. Boy could we jam up net space on these. What it all boils down to

is our right to make our own choices.

Henry Barber

EWhitene wrote:

> In my opinion, nothing is more stupid than smoking. Remember the

> number

> one cause of death in th US is cardiovascular related. A direct link

> is

> SMOKING!

> You choose to go out smoking, the helmetless Harley rider wants to go

> out

> without messing up their beautiful doo.

> Ernie

> At 11:29 AM 10/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

> >, now I know where your son gets it! No, it does harm other

> people when

> >you ride without a helmet. What about the person who's in the

> accident with

> >you that has to live with having killed a person for all their life?

> What

> >about me who has to suffer the increased taxes, increased insurance

> >premiums, etc. I'm tired of paying for stupid people to do stupid

> things!

> >

> >Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

> >Jana

> >FW,TX

> >

> > Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> >

> >

> >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> >>

> >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> >> > a helmet?????It has been

> >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> >> > lawmakers have any

> >> > common sense?

> >> >

> >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> __________________________________________________

> >>

[Guest guest]

You got vacuum right but have to take a point off for the use of ROAD

instead of rode :>)----Jim Easley

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

Jana,

No matter how hard we try to, we can't live in a vacuum (Ok you spelling

guys, did I get it right?). I, when younger road a bike and wore a

helmet. I now have to argue daily about why my 12 year old son about why

he can't have a dirt bike or a four wheeler. My father had to do the

same for me. You know what? When I was out on my own, I went out and

bought a bike. Through the grace of god, no one used me for target

practice. I can control what my son buys while he is a minor. However,

after he is grown, he has the right to make his own choices. Get a bike

don't get a bike. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet. Smoke or not.

These are choices he will have to make on his own no matter how much it

worries me or his mom.

Insurance companies do not really care about our safety. They care about

the money they have to spend. Your insurance will continue to go up no

matter what happens. They will continue to find any excuse they can. If

you use insurance cost as a ruler. No one should be allowed to drive a

car, own a home, rent an apartment or own a business. All of these areas

generate a claim and are pointed at as the cause for increases.

And then we have the gun or no gun issue and the abortion or no abortion

issue. Boy could we jam up net space on these. What it all boils down to

is our right to make our own choices.

Henry Barber

EWhitene wrote:

> In my opinion, nothing is more stupid than smoking. Remember the

> number

> one cause of death in th US is cardiovascular related. A direct link

> is

> SMOKING!

> You choose to go out smoking, the helmetless Harley rider wants to go

> out

> without messing up their beautiful doo.

> Ernie

> At 11:29 AM 10/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

> >, now I know where your son gets it! No, it does harm other

> people when

> >you ride without a helmet. What about the person who's in the

> accident with

> >you that has to live with having killed a person for all their life?

> What

> >about me who has to suffer the increased taxes, increased insurance

> >premiums, etc. I'm tired of paying for stupid people to do stupid

> things!

> >

> >Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

> >Jana

> >FW,TX

> >

> > Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> >

> >

> >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> >>

> >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> >> > a helmet?????It has been

> >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> >> > lawmakers have any

> >> > common sense?

> >> >

> >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >> __________________________________________________

> >>

[Guest guest]

I knew that, just wanted to see if you fellers were paying attention.

Did you see the other mistake? So much for my proof reading.

Henry

Jim Easley wrote:

> You got vacuum right but have to take a point off for the use of ROAD

> instead of rode :>)----Jim Easley

>

> Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

>

> Jana,

>

> No matter how hard we try to, we can't live in a vacuum (Ok you

> spelling

> guys, did I get it right?). I, when younger road a bike and wore a

> helmet. I now have to argue daily about why my 12 year old son about

> why

> he can't have a dirt bike or a four wheeler. My father had to do the

> same for me. You know what? When I was out on my own, I went out and

> bought a bike. Through the grace of god, no one used me for target

> practice. I can control what my son buys while he is a minor. However,

>

> after he is grown, he has the right to make his own choices. Get a

> bike

> don't get a bike. Wear a helmet, don't wear a helmet. Smoke or not.

> These are choices he will have to make on his own no matter how much

> it

> worries me or his mom.

>

> Insurance companies do not really care about our safety. They care

> about

> the money they have to spend. Your insurance will continue to go up no

>

> matter what happens. They will continue to find any excuse they can.

> If

> you use insurance cost as a ruler. No one should be allowed to drive a

>

> car, own a home, rent an apartment or own a business. All of these

> areas

> generate a claim and are pointed at as the cause for increases.

>

> And then we have the gun or no gun issue and the abortion or no

> abortion

> issue. Boy could we jam up net space on these. What it all boils down

> to

> is our right to make our own choices.

>

>

> Henry Barber

>

> EWhitene wrote:

>

> > In my opinion, nothing is more stupid than smoking. Remember the

> > number

> > one cause of death in th US is cardiovascular related. A direct

> link

> > is

> > SMOKING!

> > You choose to go out smoking, the helmetless Harley rider wants to

> go

> > out

> > without messing up their beautiful doo.

> > Ernie

> > At 11:29 AM 10/5/00 -0500, you wrote:

> > >, now I know where your son gets it! No, it does harm other

> > people when

> > >you ride without a helmet. What about the person who's in the

> > accident with

> > >you that has to live with having killed a person for all their

> life?

> > What

> > >about me who has to suffer the increased taxes, increased insurance

>

> > >premiums, etc. I'm tired of paying for stupid people to do stupid

> > things!

> > >

> > >Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

> > >Jana

> > >FW,TX

> > >

> > > Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> > >

> > >

> > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> > >>

> > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > >> > a helmet?????It has been

> > >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > >> > lawmakers have any

> > >> > common sense?

> > >> >

> > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> __________________________________________________

> > >>

[Guest guest]

Well I don't know about the other two you vented at, but I know from where I

speak about " politically attacking " a law or rule set by our government. I

didn't put your shorts in a wad and I would appreciate it if you would be

gentlemanly enough to be more specific when addressing me! I normally don't

get up set, that is what these post are for, to state our views, and I agree

that if you want to ride a motorcylce without a helmet, honey, just hop on it

and go a hundred miles and hour and when one of your comrades in your area

has to scrape you up off the road, and you vegetate, you've no one to blame

but yourself. Jana has a right to her views, Gene has one to his and I have

mine and you have yours and that's the end of that.

Whatever caused you to have such a bad day and take your frustrations out on

us three, I'm truly sorry. Like I said your entitled to your own opinion and

we to ours. I know that big businesses lobby the government for what they

want, and if EMS isn't a big business, what is it. It's job opportunities

for us all!! And that what big business is too.

So before you jump down our throats again, please atleast stop to think you

have your right to post your feelings about a subject without being so rude

to others and we have a right to post also. I was very rude to Ron H. but I

was woman enough to apologize both on post and to his email address. My

guess you never will. You probably are like some of the firefigher/ems I

know/ I know it all and no one will ever change my mind!

NOW-that's my spin on your attack on the 3 of us. Jana hang in there. I

don't approve of your smoking, but it's your life. I don't have to scrape

you off the road because you didn't wear a helmet! And Gene didn't deserve

to be attacked either. Only a coward hides behind his handle. I don't mind

signing my full name as I have done in many post.

Glenda Lloyd, EMTI

[Guest guest]

Hidy, Anonymous. Well, I'm going to violate my rule not to acknowledge

anonymous posters to stick it to you as best I can.

GG

In a message dated 10/5/2000 23:25:46 Central Daylight Time,

MansBestFriend@... writes:

" Hidy, MansBestFriend, Glad to see you posting. You've got a right to your

notions and we need to hear them. But we've got a thing on here that says

that if you want to be taken seriously you sign with your name. <snip> I'd

like to believe that as a HD rider you've got the stuff to put a name below

your posts. <snip> Let us know who you are and we'll address you concerns.

Gene Gandy "

Gee Gene, when I looked at the rules sent to me by the TDH folks, it said

nothing about, must sign my name to be taken seriously! For that matter,

who left you in charge of the TDH Board?

Hey, I ain't in charge of nothin! Well, son, I'd dearly love to be in charge

of the TDH Board. Believe me, it would be much different!!! It's not a rule

of this list to post your name, it's a universal rule for all lists. Nobody

on Internet Lists pays any attention to those who don't identify themselves.

That's not MY rule, just the way it is. You're not going to get anywhere on

here with anonymous posts. Trust me. You'll get NO respect from me nor any

others.

If you are, then please add your

name to the end of the rule list and add that into the rules for us as we

subscribe. If I, like you, wished to advertise on this board, I would use

my name and how the readers here may bring profit to my organization. I do

not find this a forum for that sort of stuff, but had never express my

opinion until you tried to stifle mine.

Hey, bud, I didn't try to stifle your comments, I just said " have the balls

to identify yourself. " Of if you're female, just have the guts to let us

know who you are. If you ain't got neither of the above, then just let us

know. I don't know what you're talking about when you say the phrase

" advertise on this board. " I'm not advertising anything.

I have respected your opinions for

many months reading what you had to say. I don't know who you are other

than from your enormous amount of posts. Usually you have substance to what

you write, just not always right.

Of course I'm not always right! Who is? Advertise? Advertising what? I

ain't got nothin to sell except ideas. I take it you're a bare-headed MC

rider. Cool. I've rode horses all my life and ain't gonna wear no helmet on

a horse. Probably get my head bashed in sooner or later.

My ONLY issue with you is that I don't like to engage in conversations with

those who don't identify themselves. Now you profess to have read my posts,

but I haven't read yours. Let's make a deal. You know who I am, but I don't

know who you are. So if you don't want to talk to me publically, email me

privately and let me know who you are, and I'll talk till the goats ain't got

another weed to chew on. But I ain't gonna let you bully me without a name,

so if that's yer plan, git over it!

As for Jana, get a life! I have read your ramblings for the past months

regarding your views on EVERYTHING! I was very supportive of what you had

to say when you came to the defense of others as they were being attacked on

various subjects in the past. Why are you on the offensive about the helmet

laws?

Jana Jordan, the one who signs all of her posts " Take care, stay safe, and

practice mercy, ya'll!! " Jana, practice what you preach! Have mercy on

those of us that are trying to do the things we enjoy. By the way, how was

your last cigarette? None of the motorcycle riders that have posted here

has asked or suggested that you are charged with paying higher taxes for our

pleasure. The cost of your habit costs taxpayers more money per year that

all the riders that suffer injury DUE TO NO HELMET combined. (Not a fact I

can back up with evidence tonight, but can you prove it wrong?)

Quoting Jana from a montage of her posts. " It's all about your choices not

interfering with my choices/rights! I have

the right to complain when I'm having to support people who aren't capable

of making the correct choices: prisoners and bikers without helmets! " ...

" But, I've expressed the details of why I believe this way, and this

Cherokee woman is just hard-headed enough that bikers without brains are not

going to win an argument with me. My final word is that there should be a

law requiring helmets on motorcycles - THE END! "

Jana, when and where did you become confused on the issue of bikers w/o

helmets and prisoners? Are you trying to lump us all in the same pot. If

you are not aware, the 99% of bikers are like you and me, not convicts. If

you want to bring the 1%'s into to equation you have made a quantum leap.

For that matter, not all 1%'s have been convicted either. If you don't know

what a 1% is, ask. The demographics of the average biker is above the

average income, above average education and above average financial

holdings. When you see a HD riding up or a Goldwing or whatever bike that

rides up next to you, remember, that bike often costs more than the car you

drive. It is not their primary mode of transport. They do not have to ride

their bike, it is ridden during their pleasure time or they are riding for

the pleasure of the ride. As for what you tell your children in the car

sitting next to you when that HD rider comes up next to you on the street

and your children ask you why they have to wear seatbelts and they don't

have to wear a helmet, tell them it is the same reason you smoke and they

can't. When they are old enough to make that choice, then they make the

choice. I will work to preserve their rights as you work to give away their

rights.

Glenda, your letter writing and contributions towards political action, I

think not.

It is late and most of my frustrations are vented. Good night to all. As

for the bikers in the crowd, have a good ride. Wear your helmet if it

makes you feel safe. If you wish to catch a little air in your hair, have a

great ride.

Buddy, I think yore ass just overloaded yore brains. Yore probly a purty

good guy but we don't git real excited about takin ya seriously unless we've

got a name to go by. If yore mother named ya MansBestFriend then you've got

our sympathy. Otherwise, if you've got another name, have the guts to let us

know who you are and we'll talk to ya. Hell, we all got problems and none

of us are perfect. That's the beauty of this list. It lets us all be

ourselves. Jana and I are ourselves, but you're just MansBestFriend and that

don't let us know much about ya. Like I said, if ya can't go public go

private to me and I'll talk all ya want, but unless ya do, this is the last

and only response you'll ever git frum me.

Gene Gandy

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> > > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> > > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> > > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> > > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> > > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> > > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> > > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> > > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> > > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> > > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> > > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> > > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> > > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> > > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> > > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> > > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> > > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> > > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> > > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> > > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> > > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> > > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> > > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> > > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> > > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> > > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> > > >>

> > > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > > >> > a helmet?????It has been

> > > >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > > >> > lawmakers have any

> > > >> > common sense?

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >>

> > > >> __________________________________________________

> > > >>

[Guest guest]

No, I'm not offended and I've ridden both street and dirt bikes since I was

about 5 years old! I also have my rights and will defend them without fail.

But, I've expressed the details of why I believe this way, and this Cherokee

woman is just hard-headed enough that bikers without brains are not going to

win an argument with me. My final word is that there should be a law

requiring helmets on motorcycles - THE END!

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> First, If you are trying to get EMS people together to change laws, I

think

> that you should come up with something better than taking peoples rights

> away. If you dont ride a motorcycle stay out of it. If you are offened by

> this post, good.

> R. Saunders NREMT-P

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[Guest guest]

Let's see, let's go over the messages from the last day or so, and see if

I'm the only one who feels this way? NO, why my goodness! I just can't

believe it, I'm not alone with believing it costs innocent people money when

bikers don't wear helmets? Mercy! Let's take a count, now, all together,

1, 2, 3, 4. . . . . .

Take care, stay safe, and practice mercy, ya'll!!

Jana

FW,TX

Re: [texasems-L] Helmet law

> > >

> > >

> > >> I would have to say you dont ride . It is just a guess

> > >> but I think Im right . Yes , I do ride and I am a

> > >> paramedic . That being said please dont compare

> > >> wearing helmets to wearing your seatbelt in a car .

> > >> Its apples and oranges ,to this I reference my

> > >> partners posting . What is next?, you want us all to

> > >> pretend that we are nascar drivers with nomex and

> > >> helmets in the cars or trucks ? . Im not saying that

> > >> seatbelts (IN CARS NOT ON MOTORCYCLES ) are a bad

> > >> thing . I personaly wear mine when I drive my truck

> > >> and make my son wear his . But when I ride my bike I

> > >> dont always wear a helmet , and that is my choice ! .

> > >> And that is what the law makers were thinking , its

> > >> time to give the citizens of this state a choice when

> > >> they ride . Dont try to take that away because we who

> > >> ride will fight to the end on this . If we choose not

> > >> to wear a helmet and get hurt that is on us . Not

> > >> wearing a helmet endangers no one other than that

> > >> individual . Let the individual who rides decide ! .

> > >> Wearing a helmet should be our choice not some

> > >> politicains . If you want to fight a battle that will

> > >> save some lives and make an impact on highway safety

> > >> lets sick big brother on all the drunk Paramedics

> > >> driving out there. Because lets be honest what is the

> > >> ratio of 1050's involving motorcycle fatalities (

> > >> helmet or not ) to drunk drivers in cars or trucks .

> > >> RIDE FREE , LIVE FREE ! Mills

> > >>

> > >> --- Trauma2002@... wrote:

> > >> > This has been a real issue with me. What were the

> > >> > lawmakers thinking whenever

> > >> > they ruled to let Texans operate motorcycles without

> > >> > a helmet?????It has been

> > >> > proven that helmets save lives.

> > >> > How can the lawmakers rule that you must wear

> > >> > seatbelts in an automobile, but

> > >> > you can ride a cycle without a helmet. Do any of our

> > >> > lawmakers have any

> > >> > common sense?

> > >> >

> > >> > Gene Sullinger EMT-P

> > >> >

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