Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

[Guest guest]

I'll be darned Debbie. I am one of those squirters. Could really explain my

burning after multiple orgasms.

Lona

:

: The female prostate is a collection of ducts that drain into the urethra.

: There can 30 or more of these ducts. These glands produce an alkaline

liquid

: and it appears all women may produce this fluid and release it during

sexual

: arousal and orgasm. The quantity may be so small that you just do not

notice

: it, others squirt etc.

:

[Guest guest]

On Mon, 07 May 2001 00:06:56 -0400 (EDT), debiefoxx@... wrote:

>The female prostate is a collection of ducts that drain into the urethra.

>There can 30 or more of these ducts. These glands produce an alkaline liquid

Would that be the same as the paraurethral glands?

Ora

http://www.wdxcyber.com/mutinfection2.htm#m04

Female urethral syndrome. A female prostatitis?

Gittes RF, Nakamura RM

West J Med 1996 May;164(5):435-438

Department of Surgery, Scripps Clinic and Research

Foundation, La Jolla, California, USA. The cause of the

female urethral syndrome has previously been obscure, as

it has been associated by definition with a lack of

objective findings but a plethora of subjective complaints

of retropubic pressure, dyspareunia, urinary frequency,

and dysuria. There is now strong evidence that the

microscopic paraurethral glands connected to the distal

third of the urethra in the prevaginal space are

homologous to the prostate. They stain histologically for

prostate-specific antigen and, like the prostate, are

subject to both infection and cancer. The most important

aspect of recognizing this microscopic " female prostate "

as an anatomic feature is that its infections may

completely explain many cases of the urethral syndrome.

Further, the diagnosis is not elusive if trained

clinicians palpate for localized and objective

paraurethral tenderness through the anterior vagina wall

to one or both sides of the urethra. Treatment parallel to

that for male prostatitis is usually rewarded by the

elimination of symptoms and the objective finding of the

loss of tenderness of the paraurethral glands. As with

prostatitis, the localized problem often recurs. It is

time to alert primary care physicians to this disorder and

to eliminate the widespread practice of treating affected

women with either invasive urethral dilation or

tranquilizers.

[Guest guest]

Also known as Skenes glands. See:

http://www.incontinet.com/skenesgland.htm

Ora

>On Mon, 07 May 2001 00:06:56 -0400 (EDT), debiefoxx@... wrote:

>

>

>>The female prostate is a collection of ducts that drain into the urethra.

>>There can 30 or more of these ducts. These glands produce an alkaline liquid

>

>Would that be the same as the paraurethral glands?

>

>Ora

>

>http://www.wdxcyber.com/mutinfection2.htm#m04

>

> Female urethral syndrome. A female prostatitis?

>

> Gittes RF, Nakamura RM

>

> West J Med 1996 May;164(5):435-438

>

> Department of Surgery, Scripps Clinic and Research

> Foundation, La Jolla, California, USA. The cause of the

> female urethral syndrome has previously been obscure, as

> it has been associated by definition with a lack of

> objective findings but a plethora of subjective complaints

> of retropubic pressure, dyspareunia, urinary frequency,

> and dysuria. There is now strong evidence that the

> microscopic paraurethral glands connected to the distal

> third of the urethra in the prevaginal space are

> homologous to the prostate. They stain histologically for

> prostate-specific antigen and, like the prostate, are

> subject to both infection and cancer. The most important

> aspect of recognizing this microscopic " female prostate "

> as an anatomic feature is that its infections may

> completely explain many cases of the urethral syndrome.

> Further, the diagnosis is not elusive if trained

> clinicians palpate for localized and objective

> paraurethral tenderness through the anterior vagina wall

> to one or both sides of the urethra. Treatment parallel to

> that for male prostatitis is usually rewarded by the

> elimination of symptoms and the objective finding of the

> loss of tenderness of the paraurethral glands. As with

> prostatitis, the localized problem often recurs. It is

> time to alert primary care physicians to this disorder and

> to eliminate the widespread practice of treating affected

> women with either invasive urethral dilation or

> tranquilizers.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are the

female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since I'm

having them removed in a week.

Bunny

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Reply-To: VulvarDisorders

To: <VulvarDisorders >

Subject: Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 21:10:08 -0700

I'll be darned Debbie. I am one of those squirters. Could really explain my

burning after multiple orgasms.

Lona

:

: The female prostate is a collection of ducts that drain into the urethra.

: There can 30 or more of these ducts. These glands produce an alkaline

liquid

: and it appears all women may produce this fluid and release it during

sexual

: arousal and orgasm. The quantity may be so small that you just do not

notice

: it, others squirt etc.

:

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[Guest guest]

Before I would let any doctor remove any of my glands I would want to know what

he was going to remove. See:

Ora

http://www.vulvarpain.icomm.ca/paavonen_1.html

Findings on Physical Examination

Vulvar pain is typically located in the vulvar

vestibulum, but can also occur in other areas. The

vestibule comprises the area between the labia

minora and the hymenal ring which marks the

beginning of the vaginal mucous membrane. Anteriorly

the vestibule extends from the frenulum of the clitoris

and posteriorly from the fourchette to the vaginal

introitus. The urethra, paraurethral glands (Skene's

glands), Bartholin's glands and the minor vestibular

glands are all located in the vulvar vestibulum.6-8

On Mon, 07 May 2001 00:15:08 -0500, Bunny

wrote:

>

>I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are the

>female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

>important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since I'm

>having them removed in a week.

>

> Bunny

>

>

[Guest guest]

I would speak to your doctor first, find out what he really knows. Ask him to

explain what he is removing, if he gives you the wrong answers, consider find

another doctor.

The vestibule glands correspond to the male Cowper's glands, so I gather.

Skene thought there were only two paraurethral glands located near the

urethral opening, even though other's had already identified more than two

before him. Even though he got it wrong, the glands are named after him.

I believe the major vestibule glands are the same as vestibule

glands/Bartholin glands and the minor vestibule glands are the same as

Skene's/female prostate/paraurethral/G-Spot/urethral sponge. Like I have said

before, it is all pretty confusing.

In a message dated 5/6/01 11:15:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

christina_bunny@... writes:

> I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are the

> female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

> important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since

I'm

> having them removed in a week.

[Guest guest]

EXCUSE ME!!! Your doctor said they serve no useful purpose???

PLEASE educate yourself about the function of your body before you have

surgery. I know your desperate to find a solution to your pain and surgery

may be the answer for you but I would be very worried about a doctor who

does not know the importance of basic body parts. The glands everyone is

talking about here are glands that provide lubrication to the area not only

during sex but more importantly on a regular daily basis.

........ go to your local library, in the reference department. Get

anatomy books and look up the female genitalia and find out where these

glands are and their function. I'm studying anatomy in college and know

where these glands are and what they do. They should not be dismissed as

useless. I know you trust your doctor but he is human and can be wrong. Ask

your self these questions: Is my pain where these glands are? Will taking

them out relieve my pain? Will it make me worse? Will I trade one problem

for another by having them removed and will that new problem if it exists be

better or worse than this one? Is this going to be worth the risk for me?

Blessings,

Shirley.

>

> I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are

the

> female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

> important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since

I'm

> having them removed in a week.

>

> Bunny

[Guest guest]

Ora,

I am already well aware of what glands are being removed. In fact I already

have this artical on my hard drive. My doctor was very careful to point out

exactly where my major and minor vestibulary glands where. What I was

wondering at the time I posted that email was if the skenes glands where the

same glands. I have since then recived hyper links that gave me information

on the skenes glands, so I know now that those are different. I was

confused because female prostate was brought up. On further reflection, I

remember my doctor mentioning that the Bartholins and minor vestibulary

glands are actualy what would have been the MALE prostate. The female

prostate is obviously something entirely different.

Thank you for the information

Bunny

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From: taurusrc@...

Reply-To: VulvarDisorders

To: VulvarDisorders

Subject: Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 22:36:14 -0700

Before I would let any doctor remove any of my glands I would want to know

what

he was going to remove. See:

Ora

http://www.vulvarpain.icomm.ca/paavonen_1.html

Findings on Physical Examination

Vulvar pain is typically located in the vulvar

vestibulum, but can also occur in other areas. The

vestibule comprises the area between the labia

minora and the hymenal ring which marks the

beginning of the vaginal mucous membrane. Anteriorly

the vestibule extends from the frenulum of the clitoris

and posteriorly from the fourchette to the vaginal

introitus. The urethra, paraurethral glands (Skene's

glands), Bartholin's glands and the minor vestibular

glands are all located in the vulvar vestibulum.6-8

On Mon, 07 May 2001 00:15:08 -0500, Bunny

wrote:

>

>I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are

the

>female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

>important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since

I'm

>having them removed in a week.

>

> Bunny

>

>

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Thanks,

I guess I just didnt know a whole lot about the g-spot. I see now that the

vestibulary glands have nothing to do with the skenes glands, as those are

actualy inside of the urethra. The vestibulary glands are the glands around

the hymen on the vulva. I knew about the vestibulary glands but I had never

heard of the skenes glands before. I guess you learn something new every

day. Thanks for the extra education guys, and thanks Dee for posting that

picture. That gave me a real good idea about what we were talking about.

Bunny

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From: debiefoxx@...

Reply-To: VulvarDisorders

To: VulvarDisorders

Subject: Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 09:19:56 EDT

I would speak to your doctor first, find out what he really knows. Ask him

to

explain what he is removing, if he gives you the wrong answers, consider

find

another doctor.

The vestibule glands correspond to the male Cowper's glands, so I gather.

Skene thought there were only two paraurethral glands located near the

urethral opening, even though other's had already identified more than two

before him. Even though he got it wrong, the glands are named after him.

I believe the major vestibule glands are the same as vestibule

glands/Bartholin glands and the minor vestibule glands are the same as

Skene's/female prostate/paraurethral/G-Spot/urethral sponge. Like I have

said

before, it is all pretty confusing.

In a message dated 5/6/01 11:15:23 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

christina_bunny@... writes:

> I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are

the

> female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

> important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since

I'm

> having them removed in a week.

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[Guest guest]

My website has a huge Anatomy section that has many many anatomy

illustrations, photographs, and diagrams. I do not have anything on the

vestibule glands of any significance. I became aware of this reading this

groups messages and will remedy that as soon as I can, but information on the

female genitals is very hard to find.

http://www.the-clitoris.com

Debbie

In a message dated 5/7/01 9:07:18 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

bayougodes@... writes:

> ........ go to your local library, in the reference department. Get

> anatomy books and look up the female genitalia and find out where these

> glands are and their function.

[Guest guest]

Shirley,

I HAVE been educating myself on my body, I have a stack of paper litteraly a

foot thick that I have printed out and read off of the internet on the

subject of vulvodynia, Vestibulitis, and the vulva in general. I simply did

not know what the skenes glands where, I was confused that they might be the

same as the vestibulary glands. I have recived alot of CONSTRCTIVE

information from many of the other gals on this group that have been very

informative on the subject. I am glad to say that I now know what the

skenes glands and the g-spot are exactly. I have read a few articals that

did state as my doctor did that the vestibulary glands serve no known useful

purpose. I was told that the lubrication we make is produced elseware.

You said:

>I'm studying anatomy in college and know

where these glands are and what they do.

If you have information, why did you not share it with me? Instead you chose

to tell me to educate myself. I am sure you ment to be helpful, but I am

preparing to leave for Wisconsin in a week for this surgery and I am

nervous, and stressed out enough as it is. I subscribe to this list for the

support that I cannot get from my family, friends, or coworkers. I am sure

that you did not mean it that way, but I found what you said to be negitive,

uninformative, and unsuportive.

Bunny

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Reply-To: VulvarDisorders

To: <VulvarDisorders >

Subject: Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:10:33 -0500

EXCUSE ME!!! Your doctor said they serve no useful purpose???

PLEASE educate yourself about the function of your body before you have

surgery. I know your desperate to find a solution to your pain and surgery

may be the answer for you but I would be very worried about a doctor who

does not know the importance of basic body parts. The glands everyone is

talking about here are glands that provide lubrication to the area not only

during sex but more importantly on a regular daily basis.

........ go to your local library, in the reference department. Get

anatomy books and look up the female genitalia and find out where these

glands are and their function. I'm studying anatomy in college and know

where these glands are and what they do. They should not be dismissed as

useless. I know you trust your doctor but he is human and can be wrong. Ask

your self these questions: Is my pain where these glands are? Will taking

them out relieve my pain? Will it make me worse? Will I trade one problem

for another by having them removed and will that new problem if it exists be

better or worse than this one? Is this going to be worth the risk for me?

Blessings,

Shirley.

>

> I was told by my doctor that the major and minor vestibulary glands are

the

> female prostate gland...or am I just confused. If so, I hope its not

> important to have those(doctor said they serve no useful purpose) since

I'm

> having them removed in a week.

>

> Bunny

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Sorry to jump in here ,

I'm sure no negatively was intended. It's good you have been doing

research, knowledge is power.

As far as the glands go, I will tell you what I know from the

research I have done.

The bartholin (vestibular) glands do produce librication, but it is a

small amount and it seems women can get by fine without them/it.

However the surgery to remove them has risks. It is hard to remove

them completely as they go very deep into the tissue, and only

removing the top part near the skin surface (like when they are

lasered) has not been shown to be helpful. Deep lasering to remove

the entire gland can make the pain much much worse, that is from what

a woman on one of these lists has said who had such a procedure done.

As far as the skene's (urethral) glands go, it seems nobody knows

exactly what these glands are for or what they do. I have read that

some women who have had them removed have difficulty acheiving orgasm.

What sort of surgery are you having? Have you gotten a second

opinion? Do you feel comfortable with the doctor who will be doing it?

regards,

in SF

[Guest guest]

,

I intend to apologise to Sherley, I was having a very bad day when I posted that and I had this pounding stress headeach that I could not get rid of. I am just feeling a little stressed because my surgery is less then a week away. I am sure that what was said was ment to be helpful, I guess I just feel sometimes like we could be a little more positive and constructive when others ask questions. I in no way harbor any bad feelings tward Sherley, and I know that if people didnt care they wouldnt respond at all. The conciern is apreciated.

As for the surgery...I know about the surgerys preformed where only part of the gland is removed, or where the top layer of tissue is removed by lasar. I would never have either of those procedures done. The first 2 doctors to mention surgery as an inevitability would have had me do the lasar removal and skin graft thing,no thanks. Dr. on is actually my third opinion, and her surgical aproach makes the most sense to me. She will remove all my vestibulary glands as well as the Bartholins glands. She does not remove only part of the gland. She removes the entire gland, sometimes they are up to 3 inches deep! The hymen will be removed as well since it belongs to the same blood suply as the Bartholin's glands, and it is chronicly swolen and inflammed. A skin tuck will be made from the skin between the vagina and anus to just inside the vulva area. This is because I keep tearing with intercourse, even after several months on Estrace and Estring (although the tissue in general is much stronger and healthyer).

I have confidence in Dr. on, I like her and I have a good feeling about her. I know that I could be wrong, but I think sometimes a good feeling is what you have to go with. She has been informative and so far all of the treatments I have recieved from her have had better results then anyone else I have ever seen. I feel that she did everything she felt she could before resorting to surgery. I had tried many things before I even saw her. I have also looked up articals that Dr. on has written, and Abstracts. She apears to be very well known in this area. I have an artical that she wrote for an NVA newsletter on Bacterial Vaginosis.

I apologise for being crabby, I think I could just use some possitive support right now since I have already decided to have the surgery. I truly apreciate everyones comments, feedback, and support .

Bunny

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Sorry to jump in here ,

I'm sure no negatively was intended.

The bartholin (vestibular) glands do produce librication, but it is a small amount and it seems women can get by fine without them/it. However the surgery to remove them has risks. It is hard to remove them completely as they go very deep into the tissue, and only removing the top part near the skin surface (like when they are lasered) has not been shown to be helpful. Deep lasering to remove

the entire gland can make the pain much much worse.

What sort of surgery are you having? Have you gotten a second opinion? Do you feel comfortable with the doctor who will be doing it?

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Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too!

> Shirley & , I have had the surgery that is about to

have. I had the surgery done >by the same doctor as is. I have

had NO PROBLEM with lubrication. I think Dr. >on explains the surgery

very well and would not have any doubt that she will do an

> excellent job. Before I had my surgery sex was impossible! And now a

year after my surgery it is > not painful at all. Good luck to you

. I will be thinking of you next week.

,

I'm very interested in hearing more about your surgery... what lead to your

decision to have it, what the experience of surgery and recovery was like,

and your symptoms now (if you still have any). I have been researching a

lot (for years) and I think that my vulvar glands are inflammed (all of

them) and are the main cause of my pain... I have pain in the exact spots

where there are glands.

While I would still consider certain types of surgery, I have heard many

horror stories of bad vulvar surgery. In fact, I have an on-line friend who

was literally masacred by an incompetent surgeon. But I have also heard of

women who were helped, as you were. In my friends case her doctor didn't

remove glands, but removed all the tissue all the way around her vestibule,

and one gland was cut partially and became blocked and got super inflammed.

She had to have follow up surgery to fix the blockage.

At any rate, I would never have the type of surgery she had, but would

consider a gland removal surgery if it would take away the pain. I wouldn't

mind one bit having to use daily moisterizers and lots of lube during sex if

my vulva didn't hurt any more! It would be a small price to pay. But you

don't even have to do that? Any info you might give me would be

appreciated! Thanks.

, I sure hope your surgery went well and I can't wait to hear how

you are feeling!

[Guest guest]

,

I was diagnosed with Lichen Sclerosis and Vestibulitis

in March 1998. After going to doctor after doctor, I

finally found Dr. on in Milwaukee. I started

seeing her in June 1999. At the time I was using only

temovate. She recommended I add the estrace. The

estrace seemed to help. In Dec 1999 I had steriod

injections which immediately helped - but not long

term. In March 2000 it was decided that the treatment

I was using was not improving the skin as it should. I

was still in extreme pain. At that time I decided to

have surgery. My surgery was a little more involved

than 's (because of my LS) I had skin

grafting of my vulva (removal of the diseased skin and

replacing it with skin from my buttocks) and the

vestibuloctomy. I was in the hospital for 8 days and

remained in Milwaukee for another week (I live 6 hrs

away near Minneapolis, MN). I was off work for 11

weeks - primarily because of the skin graft. I healed

better than expected. The first time I had

intercourse it was pain free!! I was amazed! I can't

remember every not being in pain afterwards! If I had

to do it all over again I would have the surgery - but

only by a compentent doctor. I would never have the

lazer sugery - this was suggested by a previous

doctor. Today I do use some lubrication but not much -

just externally so I don't tear.

Hope this helps.

,

I'm very interested in hearing more about your

surgery... what lead to your decision to have it, what

the experience of surgery and recovery was like,

and your symptoms now (if you still have any). I

have been researching a lot (for years) and I think

that my vulvar glands are inflammed (all of them) and

are the main cause of my pain... I have pain in the

exact spots where there are glands.

While I would still consider certain types of

surgery, I have heard many horror stories of bad

vulvar surgery. In fact, I have an on-line friend who

was literally masacred by an incompetent surgeon.

But I have also heard of women who were helped, as you

were. In my friends case her doctor didn't remove

glands, but removed all the tissue all the way around

her vestibule, and one gland was cut partially and

became blocked and got super inflammed. She had to

have follow up surgery to fix the blockage.

At any rate, I would never have the type of surgery

she had, but would consider a gland removal surgery if

it would take away the pain. I wouldn't mind one bit

having to use daily moisterizers and lots of lube

during sex if my vulva didn't hurt any more! It would

be a small price to pay. But you don't even have to

do that? Any info you might give me would be

appreciated! Thanks.

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To: <VulvarDisorders >

> Yes Clobetasol and Temovate are the same thing

> (steroid cream).

Thought so.

> Yes I did have my glands removed, I think there was 8

> of them. I don't know that I would say I am " cured " -

> I don't know that there is a cure. But I am pretty

> darn close to being cured. Before my surgery I would

> not attempt sex at all and now I am pain free during

> and after. But like I said before I use some

> lubrication so I don't tear.

That's pretty impressive. I'd have the curgery if I knew I would get that

type of result. It's just scary to consider b/c what if it made me worse?!

> How severe is your LS? Are you seeing a doctor that

> is able to treat it effectively?

Actually, my NP thinks I have Lichen Simplex or Lichen Planus, but I just

call it LS because everyone knows what that is without me explaining.

Simplex and Planus are very similar, but not as much of the white or silver

skin. I don't think it is severe, but I am itchy and raw from it all the

time. I have no white patches, nor fusing. My NP is Spadt, but I

live too far from her practice to continue seeing her. She is who diagnosed

me with some type of Lichen dermatosis. She doesn't do biopsies on skin as

irritated as mine is, but feels sure it is either Simplex or Planus. She

prescribed Estrace cream and Clobetasol ointment, and I am continuing to use

them both. As soon as I stop the symptoms flare up.

> Where do you live?

> I am curious too!

I am in Athens, Georgia. How about you?

[Guest guest]

Hi , I live near Minneapolis, MN. My doctor

is in Milwaukee WI. She is about a 6 hour drive away.

But she is definately worth it.

You may have read posts by Bunny - she had

the same type of surgery I had - by the same doctor.

I hope she has the same results I had.

--- " B. Standard " wrote:

>

> ----- Original Message -----

>

> To: <VulvarDisorders >

>

> > Where do you live?

> > I am curious too!

>

> I am in Athens, Georgia. How about you?

>

>

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> Hi , I live near Minneapolis, MN. My doctor

> is in Milwaukee WI. She is about a 6 hour drive away.

> But she is definately worth it.

I'd go see her if I were closer, or richer! ;-) What is the name of her

practice?

> You may have read posts by Bunny - she had

> the same type of surgery I had - by the same doctor.

> I hope she has the same results I had.

Yes, I did see those posts... in fact that is why I started writing to you

about your surgery - after you posted that you had the same surgery I got

very curious about the procedure. I hope has such good results

too!!! How are you feeling ?

[Guest guest]

Hi and ,

What kind of surgery did you have? If the interferon

doesn't work, or if I decide not to have those, my

doctor said he'd do a surgery called " vestibulectomy

with vaginal advancement " . It seems to me that it

takes much more tissue than necessary, but I don't

know. My pain is very bad on contact, but very

localized to a dime size area in only one side of the

vestibule.

How long ago did you have your surgery (this goes to

, I've read about s). Did you get

relief?

--- Hoover wrote:

> Hi , I live near Minneapolis, MN. My doctor

> is in Milwaukee WI. She is about a 6 hour drive

> away.

> But she is definately worth it.

>

> You may have read posts by Bunny - she had

> the same type of surgery I had - by the same doctor.

>

> I hope she has the same results I had.

>

>

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I am the Bunny spoken of:). I have been seeing Dr. on for about a year now. She has been the best doctor I have ever seen. She did everything she could for me that hadnt already been tried before resorting to surgery. She is kind, down to earth, and compationate(she is the only doctor I have ever had that gives me a hug at every doctor visit). She is also very knowledgable on the subject of Vulvodynia and all its little subgroups. I had vulvar vestibulitis( I say had because she removed all of may magor and minor vestibulary glands as well as my hymen on the 15th).

Dr. on has written articals for the NVA. A couple of thease you can find online. She is also on that list I have posted with vulvar specialists by state. Milwaukee is 7-8 hours away from me(I live in MN too), but it is well worth the trouble. I had to fight my insurance to get her covered in network, but that was also worth the trouble. The trips themselves are practicaly sending us into bankruptsy. There is no way I would have been able to see her otherwise, and she is the closest specialist to where I live.

I know how hard it can be to travel to thease specialists, but if you ever want to see Dr. on let or me know. We can give you her phone #, address, and let you know the hotel rooms to stay at.

Bunny

----Original Message Follows---- From: Hoover

Hi , I live near Minneapolis, MN. My doctor is in Milwaukee WI. She is about a 6 hour drive away. But she is definately worth it.

You may have read posts by Bunny - she had the same type of surgery I had - by the same doctor. I hope she has the same results I had.

--- " B. Standard" wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hoover "

> Where do you live?

> I am curious too!

> I am in Athens, Georgia. How about you?

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Hi ,

Sorry, I responded to the last post before reading this one.

So far I am doing ok. The pain is no nearly as bad as I thought it would be. Thank God! I havent been able to tolerate any pain killers and am just using tylenol.

A couple of days ago I had a little scare. I poped a couple of stitches (my fault). I was bleading alot, so it looked alot worse then it really was. I called the office the next day and had (one of the nurses) paged. told me that this has happend to women before and that if it is only a couple of stitches I should still heal normaly. My husband freaked out on me though and bought me all kinds of crafts and needle point and embroidery so that I will STAY IN BED! He also moved the computer into the bed room and put it on the dresser on my side of the bed so that I wont get up to check my email. He also caught me cleanning a couple of times. It just comes naturaly, I dont even think about it. On the way to the bathroom, I will see some dirty socks on the floor or something and I just automaticly pick them up. Its a little amusing, but hes right I need to be resting more, I just get so borred! It is so hard to sit still! I guess thats what all the crafts are for.

I have been finding that as more of the nerves come back little by little the location of the pain changes. It looks as if things are healing well. The brusing is compleatly gone, and the swelling is less then it was by far.

All and all I am doing alright. My only real problem is with constipation. I have IBS and I have always had more trouble with the constipation then other women with IBS. I have already had to use a fleet. I thought I was going to today, but shortly after I woke up this morning I began having gas pains and stuff. I went to use the bathroom, and the pain began to get really bad. It is the same pain I have had before from my IBS, but I havent had that pain in a year. I think it is all that Moriphine from the hospital slowing down my colon. In any case I was able to make a bowl movement. I took some Discyclomine for the pain(this is a type of tranqualizer the doctors prescribe for IBS) and it finally whent away. For good I hope...I dont want to go through that again! I almost passed out from the pain, and I started sweating all over only I was cold. At least I have had this before. As luck would have it I didnt tear any more stiches.

Well that is about all thats going on with me, I am sorry to ramble on a little I think I am getting a bit tired, I will have more info for every one after my post operative appiontment on the 5th.

Bunny

Ohh...Dr. on practices at the Columbia Hospital in Milwaukee. The name of her practice is WemonNow. Just ask or me if you need a phone # or adress or anything.

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Subject: Re: Female Prostate Gland - Yep Women have them too! Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 12:02:20 -0400

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hoover "

> Hi , I live near Minneapolis, MN. My doctor > is in Milwaukee WI. She is about a 6 hour drive away. > But she is definately worth it.

I'd go see her if I were closer, or richer! ;-) What is the name of her practice?

> You may have read posts by Bunny - she had > the same type of surgery I had - by the same doctor. > I hope she has the same results I had.

Yes, I did see those posts... in fact that is why I started writing to you about your surgery - after you posted that you had the same surgery I got very curious about the procedure. I hope has such good results too!!! How are you feeling ?

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I am sure that will reply as well,

You probably already read my update on the surgery I had, but the surgery you are describing sounds like the same or similar surgery to what and I had (only 's surgery was a little more involved because she is in the advanced stages of lichen sclerosis).

Vestibulectomy is the removal off all of the minor vestibluary glands and sometimes the Barholins glands as well. The doctor who preformed surgery on and I removed all the vestibulary glands and the barholin glands as well as the hymen because it belongs to the same blood supply.

Vaginal advancement is where they make a little tuck or minor skin graft by taking skin from the perineum and creating a vaginal flap to streach and graft inside to the vulva. This is done to prevent tearing during intercourse, and often because the forchette has had tissue damage from skin disorders like lichen sclerosis, lichen planus, etc...

It may seem like more tissue then necessary, but that is for you to decide. I decided that if I was going to have to have surgery anyways, that I would rather everything was done at once so that it was less likly that I would have to return for more surgery at a latter date. After having the surgery, I am glad this was my decission. Dr. on found scar tissue, and fibromas(little bignign tumors) all over my Bartholins glands and on other vestibulary glands as well.

Good luck in what ever decision you make.

Bunny

----Original Message Follows---- From: Ojeda

Hi and ,

What kind of surgery did you have? If the interferon doesn't work, or if I decide not to have those, my doctor said he'd do a surgery called "vestibulectomy with vaginal advancement". It seems to me that it takes much more tissue than necessary, but I don't know. My pain is very bad on contact, but very localized to a dime size area in only one side of the vestibule. How long ago did you have your surgery (this goes to , I've read about s). Did you get relief?

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