Re: To Isa and Group re: Drugs

[Guest guest]

i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has been

devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the severity

of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their system. what

this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but it is no sure

thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very

very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the right one.

just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe yourself not the

homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear about your experiences. I suppose we should count ourselves

lucky to have been given the right one.

>

> i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has been

devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the severity

of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their system. what

this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but it is no sure

thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very

very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the right one.

just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe yourself not the

homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

>

[Guest guest]

I have yet to hear anyone complain about having a bad homeopathic experience

other than die-off. It is pervasive in the homeopathic literature that the

wrong remedy doesn't have much of an effect. Can you explain what happened in

details so I can understand more of your bad experience? It is agreed in in the

homeopathic arena that getting the right remedy is what it's all about.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has been

devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the severity

of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their system. what

this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but it is no sure

thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very

very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the right one.

just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe yourself not the

homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

>

[Guest guest]

i am talking about extreme bad effect with three different very famous homeopaths, three different remedies. i mean misery, abject misery that was much worse than original condition. i had to go to someone else to seek a remedy that would cure what was done to me. i found lyssin 100 M, and i tried about 30 remedies before i found it. that was not my constitutional remedy , just the one that fixed the pickle i was in. . it may be called "proving' the remedy , not sure. it may be that i live in an area where famous healers tend to be narcissistic and cocksure. i think it is known to happen, at least when i told someone who was studying it, she was not surprised at the story, more surprised that the doctors would not listen. (sound familiar?)i feel so strongly about this that i wish two of those i saw to be sanctioned in some way. they both were extremely arrogant. just listen to yourself and trust yourself. don't try to power through something that feels wrong. it is not harmless. also, i heard one who charges $1000 for the visit including followup. this is way cheaper than what i paid and seems more fair. it can take many tries to find a remedy that does anything.

I have yet to hear anyone complain about having a bad homeopathic experience other than die-off. It is pervasive in the homeopathic literature that the wrong remedy doesn't have much of an effect. Can you explain what happened in details so I can understand more of your bad experience? It is agreed in in the homeopathic arena that getting the right remedy is what it's all about.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

>

> i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has been devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the severity of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their system. what this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but it is no sure thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the right one. just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe yourself not the homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting . My son has had bad experiences also. One doc.

said he didn't know why he was soo sick from the remedies.That was

scary,but that doc. said to continue and the side effects got worse

over time,not better (after about 6 months). After that experience,I

don't continue treatments longer than 3 weeks usually if there are

side effects.        Tammy F.

 

I am so sorry you have had several bad experiences with

Homeopathy. One of the first principles homeopaths learn

is 'first, do no harm'.

I agree with you regarding the arrogance of some

homeopaths, especially those who are chasing the

limelight.

Homepathy is comparatively a very cheap medicine, that and

its effectiveness have made it widely used in the third

world - no-one can justify charging the amounts you have

mentioned.

Regarding the remedy reaction, you are right, you could

have experienced a proving, especially if you were

prescribed repeated doses ... or it was a strong remedy

reaction, often the result of inappropriate prescribing

(too deep too soon and not prescribing according to what

the patient presents).

Most homeopaths belong to a registering body and need to

abide by their code of ethics, you are perfectly within

your right to contact the relevant body and make a

complaint.

Best wishes

Sent from my HTC

----- Reply message -----

Date: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 00:10

Subject: Re: To Isa

and Group re: Drugs

To:

<BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

i am talking about extreme bad effect with three different

very famous homeopaths,  three different remedies.   i

mean misery, abject misery that was much worse than

original condition.  i had to go to someone else to seek a

remedy that would cure what was done to me.   i found

lyssin 100 M,  and i tried about 30 remedies before i

found it.   that was not my constitutional remedy , just

the one that fixed the pickle i was in.

...    it may be called "proving' the remedy ,  not sure.  

it may be that i live in an area where famous healers tend

to be narcissistic and cocksure.   i think it is known to

happen,  at least when i told someone who was studying it,

 she was not surprised at the story,  more surprised that

the doctors would not listen.  (sound familiar?)

i feel so strongly about this that i wish two of those i

saw to be sanctioned in some way.  they both were

extremely arrogant.

just listen to yourself and trust yourself.  don't try to

power through something that feels wrong.  it is not

harmless.

also,  i heard one who charges $1000 for the visit

including followup.  this is way cheaper than what i paid

and seems more fair.   it can take many tries to find a

remedy that does anything.  

> I have yet to hear anyone complain about having a bad

homeopathic experience other than die-off. It is pervasive

in the homeopathic literature that the wrong remedy

doesn't have much of an effect. Can you explain what

happened in details so I can understand more of your bad

experience? It is agreed in in the homeopathic arena that

getting the right remedy is what it's all about.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> >

> > i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and

every single time it has been devastating to my health.

generally also , they will not believe the severity of the

symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their

system. what this means is that it is a powerful modality.

it can work. but it is no sure thing that you get the

right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very

very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick

the right one. just be forewarned. if you get a terrible

reaction , believe yourself not the homeopath. if you know

something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

exactly, tammy. i was urged to continue and even castigated for my complaining that i was suffering. i wonder if those with this disease are more vulnerable?? so sorry that your child would have to go through this.

Interesting . My son has had bad experiences also. One doc.

said he didn't know why he was soo sick from the remedies.That was

scary,but that doc. said to continue and the side effects got worse

over time,not better (after about 6 months). After that experience,I

don't continue treatments longer than 3 weeks usually if there are

side effects. Tammy F.

I am so sorry you have had several bad experiences with

Homeopathy. One of the first principles homeopaths learn

is 'first, do no harm'.

I agree with you regarding the arrogance of some

homeopaths, especially those who are chasing the

limelight.

Homepathy is comparatively a very cheap medicine, that and

its effectiveness have made it widely used in the third

world - no-one can justify charging the amounts you have

mentioned.

Regarding the remedy reaction, you are right, you could

have experienced a proving, especially if you were

prescribed repeated doses ... or it was a strong remedy

reaction, often the result of inappropriate prescribing

(too deep too soon and not prescribing according to what

the patient presents).

Most homeopaths belong to a registering body and need to

abide by their code of ethics, you are perfectly within

your right to contact the relevant body and make a

complaint.

Best wishes

Sent from my HTC

----- Reply message -----

Date: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 00:10

Subject: Re: To Isa

and Group re: Drugs

To:

<BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

i am talking about extreme bad effect with three different

very famous homeopaths, three different remedies. i

mean misery, abject misery that was much worse than

original condition. i had to go to someone else to seek a

remedy that would cure what was done to me. i found

lyssin 100 M, and i tried about 30 remedies before i

found it. that was not my constitutional remedy , just

the one that fixed the pickle i was in.

... it may be called "proving' the remedy , not sure.

it may be that i live in an area where famous healers tend

to be narcissistic and cocksure. i think it is known to

happen, at least when i told someone who was studying it,

she was not surprised at the story, more surprised that

the doctors would not listen. (sound familiar?)

i feel so strongly about this that i wish two of those i

saw to be sanctioned in some way. they both were

extremely arrogant.

just listen to yourself and trust yourself. don't try to

power through something that feels wrong. it is not

harmless.

also, i heard one who charges $1000 for the visit

including followup. this is way cheaper than what i paid

and seems more fair. it can take many tries to find a

remedy that does anything.

> I have yet to hear anyone complain about having a bad

homeopathic experience other than die-off. It is pervasive

in the homeopathic literature that the wrong remedy

doesn't have much of an effect. Can you explain what

happened in details so I can understand more of your bad

experience? It is agreed in in the homeopathic arena that

getting the right remedy is what it's all about.

>

> Love and prayers,

>

> Heidi N

>

>

> >

> > i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and

every single time it has been devastating to my health.

generally also , they will not believe the severity of the

symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their

system. what this means is that it is a powerful modality.

it can work. but it is no sure thing that you get the

right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very

very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick

the right one. just be forewarned. if you get a terrible

reaction , believe yourself not the homeopath. if you know

something is really wrong, then stop it asap.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

My experience too. Arrogant jet-setty guy homeopath destroyed my friend's detox pathways by detoxing too fast with German remedies that would have been too much for a less fragile person. Make sure your gut feels OK with a homeopath and that they are known to be careful with fragile cases. My first classical homeopath, well-known in yogic circles and author of a classic nutritional text, sneered "Work on your Mind!!!!!" when he took my money and failed to help and sent me to a novice to also failed to help. I had already been working on consciousness since childhood. A man with a clear mind could have seen that, but he was full of himself. There are many of these power- or Lyme-mad practitioners around, just as there are conventional docs. Some

alt practitioners give the other saints a bad name; careful treading here, but if they hurt you, the classic pattern is they have likely hurt many others. Is it fair to humanity to allow that to continue? Silence perpetuates abuse and can make one a silent participant, possibly. Then, one day when a person needs accurate info before undertaking a new practitioner, critical stuff one needs to know might not come to the seeker, if what comes around goes around sooner or later. If. It is possible. Living in carefully considered Activist Alley is not easy but can save much human and animal suffering.From:

"siancollister@..." To: susan letteer ; BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Tue, December 21, 2010 6:46:19 AMSubject: Re: Re: To Isa and Group re: Drugs

I am so sorry you have had several bad experiences with Homeopathy. One of the first principles homeopaths learn is 'first, do no harm'.I agree with you regarding the arrogance of some homeopaths, especially those who are chasing the limelight.Homepathy is comparatively a very cheap medicine, that and its effectiveness have made it widely used in the third world - no-one can justify charging the amounts you have mentioned. Regarding the remedy reaction, you are right, you could have experienced a proving, especially if you were prescribed repeated doses ... or it was a strong remedy reaction, often the result of inappropriate prescribing (too deep too soon and not prescribing according to what the patient presents).Most homeopaths belong to a registering body and need to abide by their code of ethics, you are perfectly within your right to contact the relevant body and make a complaint.Best wishesSent from my

HTC----- Reply message -----Date: Tue, Dec 21, 2010 00:10Subject: Re: To Isa and Group re: DrugsTo: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >i am talking about extreme bad effect with three different very famous homeopaths, three different remedies. i mean misery, abject misery that was much worse than original condition. i had to go to someone else to seek a remedy that would cure what was done to me. i found lyssin 100 M, and i tried about 30 remedies before i found it. that was not my constitutional remedy , just the one that fixed the pickle i was in. .. it may be called "proving' the remedy , not sure. it may be that i live in an area where famous healers tend to be narcissistic and cocksure. i think it is known to happen, at

least when i told someone who was studying it, she was not surprised at the story, more surprised that the doctors would not listen. (sound familiar?)i feel so strongly about this that i wish two of those i saw to be sanctioned in some way. they both were extremely arrogant. just listen to yourself and trust yourself. don't try to power through something that feels wrong. it is not harmless. also, i heard one who charges $1000 for the visit including followup. this is way cheaper than what i paid and seems more fair. it can take many tries to find a remedy that does anything. > I have yet to hear anyone complain about having a bad homeopathic experience other than die-off. It is pervasive in the homeopathic literature that the wrong remedy doesn't have much of an effect. Can you explain what happened in details so

I can understand more of your bad experience? It is agreed in in the homeopathic arena that getting the right remedy is what it's all about.> > Love and prayers,> > Heidi N> > > >> > i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has been devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the severity of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their system. what this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but it is no sure thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one , it can be very very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the right one. just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe yourself not the homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop it asap.>

>> >

[Guest guest]

i was given high doses the three times it was disastrous, 10 M. supposedly

there were my constitutionally remedy and the doctors were unshakeable in the

belief that they were right. i only went to the famous guru types locally.

one remedy i remember having an obsessive thought to physically harm myself. i

had never had that before and have never had it since. it was a nightmare.

i would suggest to people to assess the doctors personality and general

sensitivity as human beings. in this field i think it is more important than

ever to have those qualities of deep listening. this is not chemistry set

medicine and is deeply intuitive. and yes, it CAN cause harm.

[Guest guest]

Hi,It is so true that getting the right remedy is not an easy thing, I want to share with the group that l just started my kid on CEASE homeopathy a couple days ago. I am praying this will work well for my son, I have great hope. The intake work was extensive and required a 3 hour skype video conference with the Therapist to go over all information l had filled up in the forms (lots of). I have given the doses of 3 remedies now and so far, my son looks very peaceful, happy. He slept today until from 2200 to 1100 am, he had not slept so long and so deep in....I can't remember how long. I think the detail the therapist went into prior to preparing the remedy course for him has a lot to do with the good start we are having, she went over details that concern not only the months prior to his birth, the moment of birth, but also my emotions, my relationship to my DH and parents, to the pregnancy itself, she elaborated a time line to see clearly the vaccines he received and mentioned how bad this schedule looks, how most basic safety rules were overlooked over and over, what an immense load of viruses he received until the camel's back broke when he was 22mos. I know it is too soon to talk, what l am trying to say is that if the professional is oriented to his own beliefs and knowledge, he will err, while the individual - oriented treatment is less likely to fail. I am sure you have reasons to mention arrogance as a characteristic of this professionals who treated you, they were most likely interested in proving their /his method to be right than in helping you as an individual....catastrophic. This is so unfair, u are the one who is paying and also the one who feels ill if the given remedies are not the right thing for you. Today it looks like holiday here, happy calmed child is around. The homeopath warned me about negative reactions too, but they are not to prevail or be the general rule. You are completely right about the importance of listening, of finding a practitioner who is patient-oriented and humble enough to recognize he doesn't know it all and that a mother's voice (as advocate to an under age patient, in this case) is almost always right. In this aspect l am extremely satisfied w our homeopath implementing CEASE, she is so calm, listens carefully, goes into detail and is flexible and very accessible, very sensible, she knows her work but so far has never pretended to know it all. I have the impression that this group of CEASE professionals who received training with Dr Tinnus are in balanced, that they carry along the character of being healing tools and not semi-Gods... So, please join my prayers that this new approach will untie the prince in my DS.Blessings to all,IsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:35:50 -0800To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: To Isa and Group re: Drugs i was given high doses the three times it was disastrous, 10 M. supposedly there were my constitutionally remedy and the doctors were unshakeable in the belief that they were right. i only went to the famous guru types locally. one remedy i remember having an obsessive thought to physically harm myself. i had never had that before and have never had it since. it was a nightmare. i would suggest to people to assess the doctors personality and general sensitivity as human beings. in this field i think it is more important than ever to have those qualities of deep listening. this is not chemistry set medicine and is deeply intuitive. and yes, it CAN cause harm.

[Guest guest]

Hi Isa ,My son started his bad reactions within 2 hours of starting

the treatments.So I am  happy to hear your son is more peacefull and

happy. I know that every one reacts different to different

treatments. At some point I may want to try that treatment,can I ask

who was so calm and sensible with the CEASE Therapy.               

                                                                   

  I will pray for your son, to untie his prince from within.

            Best Regards,Tammy F.

 

Hi,

It is so true that getting the right remedy is not an easy

thing, I want to share with the group that l just started

my kid on CEASE homeopathy a couple days ago. I am praying

this will work well for my son, I have great hope. The

intake work was extensive and required a 3 hour skype

video conference with the Therapist to go over all

information l had filled up in the forms (lots of). I have

given the doses of 3 remedies now and so far, my son looks

very peaceful, happy. He slept today until from 2200 to

1100 am, he had not slept so long and so deep in....I

can't remember how long. I think the detail the therapist

went into prior to preparing the remedy course for him has

a lot to do with the good start we are having, she went

over details that concern not only the months prior to his

birth, the moment of birth, but also my emotions, my

relationship to my DH and parents, to the pregnancy

itself, she elaborated a time line to see clearly the

vaccines he received and mentioned how bad this schedule

looks, how most basic safety rules were overlooked over

and over, what an immense load of viruses he received

until the camel's back broke when he was 22mos. I know it

is too soon to talk, what l am trying to say is that if

the professional is oriented to his own beliefs and

knowledge, he will err, while the individual - oriented

treatment is less likely to fail. I am sure you have

reasons to mention arrogance as a characteristic of this

professionals who treated you, they were most likely

interested in proving their /his method to be right than

in helping you as an individual....catastrophic. This is

so unfair, u are the one who is paying and also the one

who feels ill if the given remedies are not the right

thing for you. Today it looks like holiday here, happy

calmed child is around. The homeopath warned me about

negative reactions too, but they are not to prevail or be

the general rule. You are completely right about the

importance of listening, of finding a practitioner who is

patient-oriented and humble enough to recognize he doesn't

know it all and that a mother's voice (as advocate to an

under age patient, in this case) is almost always right.

In this aspect l am extremely satisfied w our homeopath

implementing CEASE, she is so calm, listens carefully,

goes into detail and is flexible and very accessible, very

sensible, she knows her work but so far has never

pretended to know it all. I have the impression that this

group of CEASE professionals who received training with Dr

Tinnus are in balanced, that they carry along the

character of being healing tools and not semi-Gods...

So, please join my prayers that this new approach will

untie the prince in my DS.

Blessings to all,

Isa

Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

From: susan letteer

Sender:

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:35:50 -0800

To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

ReplyTo:

BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

Subject:

Re: To Isa and Group re: Drugs

 

i was given high doses the three times it was

disastrous, 10 M. supposedly there were my

constitutionally remedy and the doctors were unshakeable

in the belief that they were right. i only went to the

famous guru types locally. one remedy i remember having

an obsessive thought to physically harm myself. i had

never had that before and have never had it since. it

was a nightmare.

i would suggest to people to assess the doctors

personality and general sensitivity as human beings. in

this field i think it is more important than ever to

have those qualities of deep listening. this is not

chemistry set medicine and is deeply intuitive. and yes,

it CAN cause harm.

[Guest guest]

Just exactly what were the constitutional remedies, in 10M, I have NEVER given

anyone a 10 M remedy off of the bat!! Am wondering if one ofthem was syphilinum,

as it can bring out the syphilis miasm and you prprobably was not ready to

handle the miasm treatment. Miasm treatment for the syphilis miasm certainly

can make one depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts!! Never work with

miasms until well into a healing program and doing good.

>

> i was given high doses the three times it was disastrous, 10 M. supposedly

there were my constitutionally remedy and the doctors were unshakeable in the

belief that they were right. i only went to the famous guru types locally.

one remedy i remember having an obsessive thought to physically harm myself. i

had never had that before and have never had it since. it was a nightmare.

> i would suggest to people to assess the doctors personality and general

sensitivity as human beings. in this field i think it is more important than

ever to have those qualities of deep listening. this is not chemistry set

medicine and is deeply intuitive. and yes, it CAN cause harm.

>

[Guest guest]

one of them was aurum . another i can't remember but it was constitutional for anger. she had asked me to talk about my divorce for an hour! of course i was angry! the anger remedy took me a long time to get over, a lot of praying basically. the first one i took 100 m lyssin to get over. after trying about 30 others.

Just exactly what were the constitutional remedies, in 10M, I have NEVER given anyone a 10 M remedy off of the bat!! Am wondering if one ofthem was syphilinum, as it can bring out the syphilis miasm and you prprobably was not ready to handle the miasm treatment. Miasm treatment for the syphilis miasm certainly can make one depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts!! Never work with miasms until well into a healing program and doing good.

>

> i was given high doses the three times it was disastrous, 10 M. supposedly there were my constitutionally remedy and the doctors were unshakeable in the belief that they were right. i only went to the famous guru types locally. one remedy i remember having an obsessive thought to physically harm myself. i had never had that before and have never had it since. it was a nightmare.

> i would suggest to people to assess the doctors personality and general sensitivity as human beings. in this field i think it is more important than ever to have those qualities of deep listening. this is not chemistry set medicine and is deeply intuitive. and yes, it CAN cause harm.

>

[Guest guest]

I want to change my answer here. I would rather have worded it that homeopathy

often proclaims to not have the side effects seen with mainstream medicines,

but. . . one can have a strong, adverse reaction if given a remedy they don't

need. So, this is where a good practitioner is key. It appears that homeopathy

usually works by taking something that gives the same symptoms one has. So, if

you take something that gives different symptoms than what you have, you will

likely acquire new symptoms if you continue to take it.

Homeopathy is being practiced very differently per each practitioner, and some

products state they are homeopathic that many of the practitioners would not

agree are homeopathic. Thus, it is kind of a broad and varying thing. Some

feel homeopathy is obeying very strict procedures and others feel it's any item

that is shaken and diluted repeatedly. So, it's complicated, but yes, you can

have a bad reaction. I still rarely see complaints, but probably because people

work closely with their practitioners, communicating often and in detail on how

the remedy should be taken.

Love and prayers,

Heidi N

> >

> > i have spent a fortune on famous homeopaths and every single time it has

been devastating to my health. generally also , they will not believe the

severity of the symptoms because they are blinded by their belief in their

system. what this means is that it is a powerful modality. it can work. but

it is no sure thing that you get the right remedy. if you get the wrong one ,

it can be very very bad. there are 10,000 remedies and they have to pick the

right one. just be forewarned. if you get a terrible reaction , believe

yourself not the homeopath. if you know something is really wrong, then stop

it asap.

> >

>