Re: Is anyone familiar with this clinic?

[Guest guest]

In my opinion, he'd be wasting his money to go there. Better to spend a

little more to see a doc who prescribes Armour & HC. He'd spend MORE at

this clinic through their supplements & compounded meds.

Deborah

JD wrote:

> Hi Everybody

>

> A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment to

> go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct. 12th.

>

> http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

> <http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/>

>

> I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT that

> when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely not,

> that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The doctor

> has his own lab and makes plant bio-id replacements

> for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal support

> and healing, and that is what we use. "

>

> Can anyone shed any light on this? The receptionist

> wouldn't really go into details about what was in the

> plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than that

> to give about it.

>

> Also, she said they do NOT use HC, Delta, or anything

> like that - again with the plant bio id stuff made in

> their own lab.

>

> What I'm worried about is that my friend is going to

> go in there and get ripped off with spending a lot of

> money on these plant things.

>

> He is so tired and worn out and still has to go to

> work every day (window washer in Los Angeles). We are

> pretty sure he is adrenally fatigued and hypothyroid

> (his mother is too), plus he has hypoglycemia. As a

> window washer he just doesn't have a lot of money to

> throw around and still be able to afford his rent. And

> he is SUCH a nice guy, really decent, hard worker,

> does his best, yet so tired and worn out.

>

> We're waiting now for his test results from ZRT Labs

> on his Thyroid, Cortisols x 4. and all his other

> hormone stuff too PSA, SHGB, DHEA's, Testosterone,

> Progesterone, Estrogens, etc.)

>

> This Holtorf clinic said that they will take those

> tests to look at when he comes in and then decide if

> he needs more testing.

>

> Any info or past experiences with this Dr. Holtorf or

> his associates would be much appreciated. The costs

> were not bad for that area for a dr. who doesn't take

> insurance - $385.00 for the first visit and follow

> ups, versus the $475.00-$500.00 for most other drs. in

> the L.A. area who do treat with Armour and HC but

> don't take insurance. And this clinic has a Nurse

> Practitioner, the receptionist told me, who does the

> exact same thing as the Drs, but only charges 185.00.

>

> So that looks good too - but again I'm worried that

> their plant bio id stuff for thyroid and adrenals are

> not what he needs and he will waste the little money

> he has and then be left with nothing and just as sick

> as he is now.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah,

That's what I was afraid of too. It all looked great

until the part about the plant stuff instead of Armour

and HC.

Thanks,

--- Deborah Jacques wrote:

> In my opinion, he'd be wasting his money to go

> there. Better to spend a

> little more to see a doc who prescribes Armour & HC.

> He'd spend MORE at

> this clinic through their supplements & compounded

> meds.

>

> Deborah

>

> JD wrote:

>

> > Hi Everybody

> >

> > A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment

> to

> > go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct.

> 12th.

> >

> > http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

> > <http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/>

> >

> > I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT

> that

> > when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> > Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> > prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely

> not,

> > that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The

> doctor

> > has his own lab and makes plant bio-id

> replacements

> > for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal

> support

> > and healing, and that is what we use. "

> >

> > Can anyone shed any light on this? The

> receptionist

> > wouldn't really go into details about what was in

> the

> > plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than

> that

> > to give about it.

> >

> > Also, she said they do NOT use HC, Delta, or

> anything

> > like that - again with the plant bio id stuff made

> in

> > their own lab.

> >

> > What I'm worried about is that my friend is going

> to

> > go in there and get ripped off with spending a lot

> of

> > money on these plant things.

> >

> > He is so tired and worn out and still has to go to

> > work every day (window washer in Los Angeles). We

> are

> > pretty sure he is adrenally fatigued and

> hypothyroid

> > (his mother is too), plus he has hypoglycemia. As

> a

> > window washer he just doesn't have a lot of money

> to

> > throw around and still be able to afford his rent.

> And

> > he is SUCH a nice guy, really decent, hard worker,

> > does his best, yet so tired and worn out.

> >

> > We're waiting now for his test results from ZRT

> Labs

> > on his Thyroid, Cortisols x 4. and all his other

> > hormone stuff too PSA, SHGB, DHEA's, Testosterone,

> > Progesterone, Estrogens, etc.)

> >

> > This Holtorf clinic said that they will take those

> > tests to look at when he comes in and then decide

> if

> > he needs more testing.

> >

> > Any info or past experiences with this Dr. Holtorf

> or

> > his associates would be much appreciated. The

> costs

> > were not bad for that area for a dr. who doesn't

> take

> > insurance - $385.00 for the first visit and follow

> > ups, versus the $475.00-$500.00 for most other

> drs. in

> > the L.A. area who do treat with Armour and HC but

> > don't take insurance. And this clinic has a Nurse

> > Practitioner, the receptionist told me, who does

> the

> > exact same thing as the Drs, but only charges

> 185.00.

> >

> > So that looks good too - but again I'm worried

> that

> > their plant bio id stuff for thyroid and adrenals

> are

> > not what he needs and he will waste the little

> money

> > he has and then be left with nothing and just as

> sick

> > as he is now.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I just moved from LA and have never heard of this place. Is it new? If it ever

came across my brain fogged mind, I might have passed based on the fees they

charge and the fact that they are mixing their own meds and assumably charging a

lot of money for them. I've done the bio id T3 meds from compounding

pharmacies, as well as the $ynthroid route. I also doubt that insurance

companies would cover much of the fees. I do have a holistic doc in LA I do

phone appointments with (I live in the SF Bay Area now) but honestly, I really

really really get more helpful and consistent info from these groups.

SAMMIE

JD wrote:

Hi Everybody

A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment to

go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct. 12th.

http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT that

when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

Armour (thinking they probably would since they

prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely not,

that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The doctor

has his own lab and makes plant bio-id replacements

for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal support

and healing, and that is what we use. "

Can anyone shed any light on this? The receptionist

wouldn't really go into details about what was in the

plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than that

to give about it.

Also, she said they do NOT use HC, Delta, or anything

like that - again with the plant bio id stuff made in

their own lab.

What I'm worried about is that my friend is going to

go in there and get ripped off with spending a lot of

money on these plant things.

He is so tired and worn out and still has to go to

work every day (window washer in Los Angeles). We are

pretty sure he is adrenally fatigued and hypothyroid

(his mother is too), plus he has hypoglycemia. As a

window washer he just doesn't have a lot of money to

throw around and still be able to afford his rent. And

he is SUCH a nice guy, really decent, hard worker,

does his best, yet so tired and worn out.

We're waiting now for his test results from ZRT Labs

on his Thyroid, Cortisols x 4. and all his other

hormone stuff too PSA, SHGB, DHEA's, Testosterone,

Progesterone, Estrogens, etc.)

This Holtorf clinic said that they will take those

tests to look at when he comes in and then decide if

he needs more testing.

Any info or past experiences with this Dr. Holtorf or

his associates would be much appreciated. The costs

were not bad for that area for a dr. who doesn't take

insurance - $385.00 for the first visit and follow

ups, versus the $475.00-$500.00 for most other drs. in

the L.A. area who do treat with Armour and HC but

don't take insurance. And this clinic has a Nurse

Practitioner, the receptionist told me, who does the

exact same thing as the Drs, but only charges 185.00.

So that looks good too - but again I'm worried that

their plant bio id stuff for thyroid and adrenals are

not what he needs and he will waste the little money

he has and then be left with nothing and just as sick

as he is now.

Thanks,

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Sammie,

I think that clinic has been there for a while. It's

in Torrance. We haven't been looking for a doc until

now for my friend, so not really sure how long it's

been there.

Yes, that's what I'm worried about too, the plant

thing in place of Armour and HC being a waste of money

and time when he could be getting well instead.

Nope, insurance wouldn't cover ANY of that stuff at

that clinic. Nor any of the visits there, either.

So, we are still trying to find a doc for my friend in

the Los Angeles area who is knowledgeable about

thyroid/adrenals, prescribes Armour and HC and knows

how it all works like the people on these groups do,

*AND takes insurance*.

That's a tall order. So far we have had no success.

All we've been able to find are " alternative " docs

who:

1. Don't take insurance

2. Will prescribe Armour, but

3. None who will prescribe HC or Delta or anything

like it.

4. Charge $500.00 for initial visit and a bit less for

follow ups (except for the clinic I asked about, which

has lower initial visit fees and follow ups).

Yes, I am VERY happy to have found these groups here

on Yahoo and am learning a lot!

Thanks

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> I just moved from LA and have never heard of this

> place. Is it new? If it ever came across my brain

> fogged mind, I might have passed based on the fees

> they charge and the fact that they are mixing their

> own meds and assumably charging a lot of money for

> them. I've done the bio id T3 meds from compounding

> pharmacies, as well as the $ynthroid route. I also

> doubt that insurance companies would cover much of

> the fees. I do have a holistic doc in LA I do phone

> appointments with (I live in the SF Bay Area now)

> but honestly, I really really really get more

> helpful and consistent info from these groups.

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

>

> JD wrote:

> Hi Everybody

>

> A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment

> to

> go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct. 12th.

>

>

> http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

>

> I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT

> that

> when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely

> not,

> that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The doctor

> has his own lab and makes plant bio-id replacements

> for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal

> support

> and healing, and that is what we use. "

>

> Can anyone shed any light on this? The receptionist

> wouldn't really go into details about what was in

> the

> plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than that

> to give about it.

>

> Also, she said they do NOT use HC, Delta, or

> anything

> like that - again with the plant bio id stuff made

> in

> their own lab.

>

> What I'm worried about is that my friend is going to

> go in there and get ripped off with spending a lot

> of

> money on these plant things.

>

> He is so tired and worn out and still has to go to

> work every day (window washer in Los Angeles). We

> are

> pretty sure he is adrenally fatigued and hypothyroid

> (his mother is too), plus he has hypoglycemia. As a

> window washer he just doesn't have a lot of money to

> throw around and still be able to afford his rent.

> And

> he is SUCH a nice guy, really decent, hard worker,

> does his best, yet so tired and worn out.

>

> We're waiting now for his test results from ZRT Labs

> on his Thyroid, Cortisols x 4. and all his other

> hormone stuff too PSA, SHGB, DHEA's, Testosterone,

> Progesterone, Estrogens, etc.)

>

> This Holtorf clinic said that they will take those

> tests to look at when he comes in and then decide if

> he needs more testing.

>

> Any info or past experiences with this Dr. Holtorf

> or

> his associates would be much appreciated. The costs

> were not bad for that area for a dr. who doesn't

> take

> insurance - $385.00 for the first visit and follow

> ups, versus the $475.00-$500.00 for most other drs.

> in

> the L.A. area who do treat with Armour and HC but

> don't take insurance. And this clinic has a Nurse

> Practitioner, the receptionist told me, who does the

> exact same thing as the Drs, but only charges

> 185.00.

>

> So that looks good too - but again I'm worried that

> their plant bio id stuff for thyroid and adrenals

> are

> not what he needs and he will waste the little money

> he has and then be left with nothing and just as

> sick

> as he is now.

>

> Thanks,

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well my holistic doc doesn't take insurance (but some insurances will re-bill

and cover some of it). When I had Blue Cross, my insurance would pay a small

portion I think. He'll prescribe Armour and HC only after trying Isocort or

Licorice Root. The phone appointment is only $65 for a half hour.

But seriously, the specific info about dosing and scheduling - what to stress

dose and when, he wouldn't be able to tell me. I get that from these groups.

Well, he might be able to make suggestions, but 99% of the time I get the

correct info here. I'd almost hesitate referring anyone, because even that

seems to be a waste of money. He's in Agoura Hills and does Saturday

appointments.

Pretty soon if these docs dont learn what is really going on and lower the

prices, they will become absolete.

SAMMIE

JD wrote:

Hi Sammie,

I think that clinic has been there for a while. It's

in Torrance. We haven't been looking for a doc until

now for my friend, so not really sure how long it's

been there.

Yes, that's what I'm worried about too, the plant

thing in place of Armour and HC being a waste of money

and time when he could be getting well instead.

Nope, insurance wouldn't cover ANY of that stuff at

that clinic. Nor any of the visits there, either.

So, we are still trying to find a doc for my friend in

the Los Angeles area who is knowledgeable about

thyroid/adrenals, prescribes Armour and HC and knows

how it all works like the people on these groups do,

*AND takes insurance*.

That's a tall order. So far we have had no success.

All we've been able to find are " alternative " docs

who:

1. Don't take insurance

2. Will prescribe Armour, but

3. None who will prescribe HC or Delta or anything

like it.

4. Charge $500.00 for initial visit and a bit less for

follow ups (except for the clinic I asked about, which

has lower initial visit fees and follow ups).

Yes, I am VERY happy to have found these groups here

on Yahoo and am learning a lot!

Thanks

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> I just moved from LA and have never heard of this

> place. Is it new? If it ever came across my brain

> fogged mind, I might have passed based on the fees

> they charge and the fact that they are mixing their

> own meds and assumably charging a lot of money for

> them. I've done the bio id T3 meds from compounding

> pharmacies, as well as the $ynthroid route. I also

> doubt that insurance companies would cover much of

> the fees. I do have a holistic doc in LA I do phone

> appointments with (I live in the SF Bay Area now)

> but honestly, I really really really get more

> helpful and consistent info from these groups.

>

>

> SAMMIE

>

>

>

> JD wrote:

> Hi Everybody

>

> A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment

> to

> go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct. 12th.

>

>

> http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

>

> I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT

> that

> when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely

> not,

> that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The doctor

> has his own lab and makes plant bio-id replacements

> for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal

> support

> and healing, and that is what we use. "

>

> Can anyone shed any light on this? The receptionist

> wouldn't really go into details about what was in

> the

> plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than that

> to give about it.

>

> Also, she said they do NOT use HC, Delta, or

> anything

> like that - again with the plant bio id stuff made

> in

> their own lab.

>

> What I'm worried about is that my friend is going to

> go in there and get ripped off with spending a lot

> of

> money on these plant things.

>

> He is so tired and worn out and still has to go to

> work every day (window washer in Los Angeles). We

> are

> pretty sure he is adrenally fatigued and hypothyroid

> (his mother is too), plus he has hypoglycemia. As a

> window washer he just doesn't have a lot of money to

> throw around and still be able to afford his rent.

> And

> he is SUCH a nice guy, really decent, hard worker,

> does his best, yet so tired and worn out.

>

> We're waiting now for his test results from ZRT Labs

> on his Thyroid, Cortisols x 4. and all his other

> hormone stuff too PSA, SHGB, DHEA's, Testosterone,

> Progesterone, Estrogens, etc.)

>

> This Holtorf clinic said that they will take those

> tests to look at when he comes in and then decide if

> he needs more testing.

>

> Any info or past experiences with this Dr. Holtorf

> or

> his associates would be much appreciated. The costs

> were not bad for that area for a dr. who doesn't

> take

> insurance - $385.00 for the first visit and follow

> ups, versus the $475.00-$500.00 for most other drs.

> in

> the L.A. area who do treat with Armour and HC but

> don't take insurance. And this clinic has a Nurse

> Practitioner, the receptionist told me, who does the

> exact same thing as the Drs, but only charges

> 185.00.

>

> So that looks good too - but again I'm worried that

> their plant bio id stuff for thyroid and adrenals

> are

> not what he needs and he will waste the little money

> he has and then be left with nothing and just as

> sick

> as he is now.

>

> Thanks,

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Sammie,

He just ran across an ND in Pacific Palisades who

looks like she might be close to what he is looking

for. He was going up to PP to bid on a job there and

stopped to pick up some Vitamin C and noticed it was a

Compounding Pharmacy, so he stopped to talk to the ND

behind the counter.

She will prescribe Armour and HC, but the HC only for

a few months unfortunately, so if he goes to her he

will need to self medicate on that until his adrenals

actually heal.

She wants to go herbal on the adrenals after a couple

of months on the HC, which I think isn't a good idea

unless his adrenals are actually healed first.

She says its not a good idea to take HC for longer

than a couple of months, even at sub-total replacement

amounts because she says " it will suppress your

adrenals and lower your immune system " .

So she isn't QUITE getting it, not quite

understanding. And she's so close, too! She did seem

willing to learn though, at least. She's a brand-new

ND, just finished five years of medical school and

just came back from some seminar on adrenal fatigue -

so at least she believes it exists anyway. That's a

start.

I don't know though, if he has the energy to be a

guinea pig for her to learn on, but it sure would be

nice to get her educated as he heals.

Absolutely agree with you 1000% that this is the place

to learn about all this.

I would be starting the old run around trying to find

help from total imbeciles in the medical community if

I hadn't learned from these groups over the past

couple of months.

Thanks!

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> Well my holistic doc doesn't take insurance (but

> some insurances will re-bill and cover some of it).

> When I had Blue Cross, my insurance would pay a

> small portion I think. He'll prescribe Armour and

> HC only after trying Isocort or Licorice Root. The

> phone appointment is only $65 for a half hour.

>

> But seriously, the specific info about dosing and

> scheduling - what to stress dose and when, he

> wouldn't be able to tell me. I get that from these

> groups. Well, he might be able to make suggestions,

> but 99% of the time I get the correct info here.

> I'd almost hesitate referring anyone, because even

> that seems to be a waste of money. He's in Agoura

> Hills and does Saturday appointments.

>

> Pretty soon if these docs dont learn what is

> really going on and lower the prices, they will

> become absolete.

>

>

> SAMMIE

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

What is the address of the Compounding Pharmacy in PP?

I would like to go there and talk to the ND there.

Love,

Pamela

JD wrote:

Hi Sammie,

He just ran across an ND in Pacific Palisades who

looks like she might be close to what he is looking

for. He was going up to PP to bid on a job there and

stopped to pick up some Vitamin C and noticed it was a

Compounding Pharmacy, so he stopped to talk to the ND

behind the counter.

She will prescribe Armour and HC, but the HC only for

a few months unfortunately, so if he goes to her he

will need to self medicate on that until his adrenals

actually heal.

She wants to go herbal on the adrenals after a couple

of months on the HC, which I think isn't a good idea

unless his adrenals are actually healed first.

She says its not a good idea to take HC for longer

than a couple of months, even at sub-total replacement

amounts because she says " it will suppress your

adrenals and lower your immune system " .

So she isn't QUITE getting it, not quite

understanding. And she's so close, too! She did seem

willing to learn though, at least. She's a brand-new

ND, just finished five years of medical school and

just came back from some seminar on adrenal fatigue -

so at least she believes it exists anyway. That's a

start.

I don't know though, if he has the energy to be a

guinea pig for her to learn on, but it sure would be

nice to get her educated as he heals.

Absolutely agree with you 1000% that this is the place

to learn about all this.

I would be starting the old run around trying to find

help from total imbeciles in the medical community if

I hadn't learned from these groups over the past

couple of months.

Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

I'm not familiar with this clinic, but I am familiar with having a

doctor who has their own pharmacy and compounds drugs. I can't say I

understand why they would compound thyroid instead of using Armour

though. I do take bio-id cortisol, progesterone and testosterone and

it is pricey. I would think if money were an issue that it would

work out better to use HC and Armour.

Linn

> Hi Everybody

>

> A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment to

> go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct. 12th.

>

> http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

>

> I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT that

> when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely not,

> that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The doctor

> has his own lab and makes plant bio-id replacements

> for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal support

> and healing, and that is what we use. "

>

> Can anyone shed any light on this? The receptionist

> wouldn't really go into details about what was in the

> plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than that

> to give about it.

>

[Guest guest]

Especially since HC is bioidentical ...

Deborah

Linn wrote:

> I'm not familiar with this clinic, but I am familiar with having a

> doctor who has their own pharmacy and compounds drugs. I can't say I

> understand why they would compound thyroid instead of using Armour

> though. I do take bio-id cortisol, progesterone and testosterone and

> it is pricey. I would think if money were an issue that it would

> work out better to use HC and Armour.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh great! Hi Pamela. I hope you're going to help her

learn more about adrenals, HC, and Armour.

She seemed very open minded and willing to learn. She

was very sympathetic and thought it was terrible that

so many people are going from dr. to dr. and not

getting any help.

But she is a bit on the sticky side of prescribing HC

for more than a few months and thinks it suppresses

the adrenals and the immune system, so she needs help

with education on that.

Her name is Tamara . She is only on duty 2-3 days

a week there so it might be a good idea to call first

to find out what days she's there (besides Thursday).

The name of the pharmacy is:

Pharmaca Integrated Pharmacy

Address is:

15150 Sunset Blvd in Pacific Palisades

Her direct phone line there is

Her email is doctamara@...

Feel free to mention how you heard of her if you want

to, that my friend Josh came in Thursday and was

talking with her about adrenals and HC, and Armour.

Josh kind of looks like that dark haired Aragorn guy

in that movie Lord of the Rings, although his hair was

back in a ponytail when he talked to her. So she

should remember him, he's a cutie. :-)

Please let me know how it goes? She sounds like she

would be really great if she could get some good

education on HC and how to heal adrenals with it over

a longer period of time than just a couple of months.

Take care,

--- Pamela wrote:

> Hi ,

>

> What is the address of the Compounding Pharmacy in

> PP?

> I would like to go there and talk to the ND there.

>

> Love,

> Pamela

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Hi Linn, I don't know why they would compound thyroid

instead of using Armour, but the receptionist there at

that Holtorf Medical clinic was firm about that, she

sounded disgusted at the thought of using pig thyroid.

Personally, I would rather have the Armour by FAR over

whatever herbal thing they have going on there, and

that's what I've told my friend Josh out there in L.A.

He is agreeing with that too.

I think so too, on the prices.

Thanks Linn!

--- Linn wrote:

> I'm not familiar with this clinic, but I am familiar

> with having a

> doctor who has their own pharmacy and compounds

> drugs. I can't say I

> understand why they would compound thyroid instead

> of using Armour

> though. I do take bio-id cortisol, progesterone and

> testosterone and

> it is pricey. I would think if money were an issue

> that it would

> work out better to use HC and Armour.

>

> Linn

>

>

>

> > Hi Everybody

> >

> > A friend of mine in Los Angeles has an appointment

> to

> > go to this Holtorf Medical clinic here on Oct.

> 12th.

> >

> > http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/

> >

> > I like everything I see on there for him, EXCEPT

> that

> > when I called them to ask whether they prescribe

> > Armour (thinking they probably would since they

> > prescribe Bio-Id hormones), they said " absolutely

> not,

> > that's pig thyroid and we don't use that. The

> doctor

> > has his own lab and makes plant bio-id

> replacements

> > for the Thyroid hormones and also for Adrenal

> support

> > and healing, and that is what we use. "

> >

> > Can anyone shed any light on this? The

> receptionist

> > wouldn't really go into details about what was in

> the

> > plant stuff, so I don't have any more info than

> that

> > to give about it.

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