Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Chelation Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? H__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. Is this correct info.? To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PMSubject: RE: Chelation Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN mcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Chelation Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? H __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 This is a touchy subject. Thousands are being chelated, with many various methods. The results have been miraculous to a worsening. Doing it correctly is key. I guess it's best to learn about the method your practitioner uses and ask questions, like: what kind of monitoring, what kind of results, how many people with similar age and condition has he used it on, etc. There has been an over-whelming amount of people claiming improvements from chelation, and the side effects complained about seemed to mostly be temporary. Even so, learn more until you feel comfortable and then proceed with caution. I have used EDTA before, and I view it as a lot stronger than one would think, and I feel it should be used off and on, as most chelators are. In other words, since EDTA can lower healthy minerals, monitoring mineral levels and taking breaks to allows for the replacement of minerals is usually done. I don't see pediatricians doing chelation, but I do see a alot of Lyme docs doing it, so I am also guessing that pediatricians probably know a lot less about chelation than Lyme docs. Love and prayers, Heidi N > > Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > > H > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 I haven’t read enough research on biofilms to confirm or deny that claim. Getting rid of the biofilms is vital, but there are no proven methods to do so. Magnesium is also vital for human life. I have heard of suggestions to get rid of biofilms by using enzymes, but that is also an unproven therapy. I have been using it, but it is difficult to measure success when there is no way to measure the problem in the first place. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of HarrottSent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:59 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Chelation He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. Is this correct info.? To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PMSubject: RE: Chelation Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Chelation Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? H__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 19, 2010 Report Share Posted November 19, 2010 There are lots of different ways to do chelation. But its important you work closely with your DR. Some use IV EDTA, some use topical, Oral, and suppository. > > > > Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > > > > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > > > > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > > > > H > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2010 Report Share Posted November 20, 2010 Never use IV EDTA!! Follow the AC protocol.Sent from my iPhone There are lots of different ways to do chelation. But its important you work closely with your DR. Some use IV EDTA, some use topical, Oral, and suppository. > > > > Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > > > > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > > > > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > > > > H > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 If he was talking about pulling out calcium, magnesium, and iron to dismantle biofilm, he was talking about using disodium EDTA.LiminHe says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. Is this correct info.? To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PMSubject: RE: ChelationCalcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Chelation Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? H__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 Here is some information on disodium EDTA's effectiveness on inhibiting the growth of bacterial biofilm:" The evidence for the ability of biofilm to be disrupted by enzymes such as cellulase and Serratia peptidase and by metal chelating agents such as disodium EDTA and lactoferrin was reviewed. Dr. Olmstead proposed a protocol to treat pathogenic gastrointestinal biofilm with nutraceuticals that centered on an enzymatic formulation designed to disrupt pathogenic biofilm. This enzyme formulation may be augmented with a chelating agent such as disodium EDTA and/or lactoferrin. He stressed it is essential to begin at a low dose and slowly titrate up carefully assessing the patient for symptoms of “die off” and felt it is prudent to begin with the enzyme formulation alone and only add a chelator after the patient’s response has been noted. Antimicrobial agents must be combined with the enzymatic formulation and chelators in order to eliminate pathogens. These agents should be taken on an empty stomach at the same time as the hydrolytic enzymes. Antimicrobials administered may be natural agents such as berberine and undecylenic acid. The antibiofilm enzymes and chelators may be combined with prescription antimicrobials if need be. Probiotics and prebiotics should be used to restore a healthy gastrointestinal microflora biofilm. They should be taken with meals to maximize probiotic survival and at a different time of day than the antibiofilm enzymes, chelators, and antimicrobials. This minimizes the effect of these agents on the probiotic organisms. Dr. Olmstead concluded by emphasizing that pathogenic gastrointestinal biofilms may be responsible for a variety of intestinal dysbiosis and may be eliminated with nutraceuticals."http://www.protherainc.com/archives/CompanyAnnouncements/2009/04/Biofilm_Olmstead.asphttp://www.springerlink.com/content/j07w117522181413/http://aac.asm.org/cgi/content/abstract/32/11/1627http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20226600LiminIf he was talking about pulling out calcium, magnesium, and iron to dismantle biofilm, he was talking about using disodium EDTA.LiminHe says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. Is this correct info.? To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PMSubject: RE: ChelationCalcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Chelation Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? H__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 fwiw, Cutler has a completely oppposed view on the safety of EDTA for chelation. Search @ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/ It is a big no-no if there is any probability of mercury poisoning. As a personal aside; I tried using EDTA for myself after amalgam filling removal. I had several crowns and did not want to 'investigate' underneath - amalgam or not? Well, just one use of EDTA in a moderate dose gave me problems for many months. There must be other equally effective agents for zapping the microfilm. > > > >> > >> > >> He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. > >> > >> Is this correct info.? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PM > >> Subject: RE: Chelation > >> > >> > >> Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. > >> > >> > >> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > >> > >> mcfighter@... > >> > >> > >> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfec\ tionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PM > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Subject: Chelation > >> > >> > >> > >> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > >> > >> Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > >> > >> With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > >> > >> H > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 EDTA with calcium will not address biofilm.. realizing calcium is in there but I thought at low amounts and it is the edta that busts the biofilm.. ??? Thanks.. Robin > > > >> > >> > >> He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. > >> > >> Is this correct info.? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PM > >> Subject: RE: Chelation > >> > >> > >> Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. > >> > >> > >> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN > >> > >> mcfighter@... > >> > >> > >> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfec\ tionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PM > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Subject: Chelation > >> > >> > >> > >> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > >> > >> Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > >> > >> With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > >> > >> H > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > >> > >> http://www.eset.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 There are safer enzymes that can be used to bust up the biofilms without removing the calcium and magnesium that our bodies need to function. If either of these two minerals get too low in the body, there can be serious health risks, including cardiac dysfunction. There have been a few reported deaths from the administration of too large a dose for body size of the disodium EDTA, due to mineral imbalance. Gastrointestinal biofilms are likely to be treated with oral products, which are going to have a different effect than injected or infused agents. Disodium EDTA may not have as strong a mineral chelation effect if taken orally or rectally. It still needs to be used with care, and only with someone who is able to communicate easily. Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RNmcfighter@... From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of listspubSent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:35 AMTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Chelation EDTA with calcium will not address biofilm.. realizing calcium is in there but I thought at low amounts and it is the edta that busts the biofilm.. ???Thanks..Robin> > > >> > >> > >> He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work.> >> > >> Is this correct info.?> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PM> >> Subject: RE: Chelation> >> > >> > >> Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic.> >> > >> > >> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN> >> > >> mcfighter@...> >> > >> > >> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of > >> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PM> >> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism > >> Subject: Chelation> >> > >> > >> > >> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?> >> > >> Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.> >> > >> With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous?> >> > >> H> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________> >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > >> http://www.eset.com> >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________> >> > >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > >> > >> http://www.eset.com> >> > >> > >> > >> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________> >> > >> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.> >> > >> http://www.eset.com> >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > >>__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5639 (20101122) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5639 (20101122) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5639 (20101122) __________The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.http://www.eset.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2010 Report Share Posted November 22, 2010 This is the reason that disodium EDTA (chelating calcium and magnesium) is recommended for treating biofilm in conjunction with lactoferrin (binding iron), not calcium EDTA. Vitamin K2 also helps in binding up calcium. The idea is to use disodium EDTA to punch holes in bioflim by removing calcium, magnesium, and iron from its structure, and use anti-fibrinolytic and anti-mucolytic enzymes to dissolve biofilm. Across the autism forums, parents have mixed feedback on the biofilm protocol. Some sees gains in cognitive developments and good stools; some sees aggression and/or regression in children and gut bug flare-up reflected by repeated CSA. We saw good results ourselves by avoiding iron and calcium supplements during the biofilm protocol. We did continue taking magnesium. We used a combo of several enzymes and Biopure Phospholispid Exchange as source of disodium EDTA. The product contains both ALA and disodium EDTA. For Andy Cutler PhD, the mix of ALA and disodium EDTA is definitely a NO NO. Yet, we did not observe any side effects, only steady, small gains. I still use Phospholipid Exchange on my son now and then, when needed. Limin > EDTA with calcium will not address biofilm.. realizing calcium is in there but I thought at low amounts and it is the edta that busts the biofilm.. ??? > > Thanks.. > > Robin > > >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> He says that the lyme is covered in a biofilm that is made of magnesium and they have to get rid of that before antibiotics will work. >>>> >>>> Is this correct info.? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >>>> Sent: Fri, November 19, 2010 2:42:07 PM >>>> Subject: RE: Chelation >>>> >>>> >>>> Calcium EDTA should be safe for chelation. EDTA without added calcium can be dangerous. It will be used to get rid of other minerals, but you want to keep magnesium. Most people are too low in magnesium levels. He may be referring to getting rid of mercury, which is toxic. >>>> >>>> >>>> Anne M., BSN, MSN/IH, RN >>>> >>>> mcfighter@... >>>> >>>> >>>> From: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism [mailto:BorreliaMultipleInfec\ tionsAndAutism ] On Behalf Of >>>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2010 1:18 PM >>>> To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >>>> Subject: Chelation >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? >>>> >>>> Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. >>>> >>>> With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? >>>> >>>> H >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ >>>> >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 5634 (20101119) __________ >>>> >>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>> >>>> http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2010 Report Share Posted November 28, 2010 HI - I was just looking at an older post where you ref to a document in the group files called "chelating children safely". I just looked through the files and could not find it so I was wondering if you could help me locate it. We are just beginning to talk about chelating our son and I have started to chelate- but Im having some trouble with detoxamin (EDTA)- so I would like to read the document. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2010 Report Share Posted November 29, 2010 I am just beginning my chelation as well and I finally have a diagnosis of Gadolinium Associated Systemic Fibrosis. This is due to my exposures from gadolinium based contrasting agents (GBCAs) from MRIs. I had many. I'm going to try this product and believe this will help and truly get me on the path to healing. ACZ Nano Zeolite is the name of the product and the gadolinium used in the GBCAs is nano is size. It's been a struggle trying to get help as no one understands about what these GBCAs do to you. http://www.acznano.com/products/selective_chelation_by_adsorption.php Take care, Sharon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2010 Report Share Posted November 30, 2010 Someone responded to my post via an email and I accidentially deleted it. I want to thank you for your message and if you email me again I will respond. I did find someone to help me and that person is telling me to hold off for a couple of weeks so that I can do some prep work before I start the detox as I am very sick. Did you know that they have a diagnostic code for contrast media poisoning? CONTRAST MEDIA POISONING 977.8 Says it all doesn't it? Did you also know that Bayer and GE knew their products Magnevist and Omniscan were toxic prior to their approval by the FDA back in the 80s? In Robbie Booker vs. GE she asked for a leave to submit a motion asking for punitive damages. The court reviewed the evidence and granted the motion. Shortly after that GE settled out of court. I don't believe any of the cases against Bayer and GE will go to court as there is too much at stake for them. If you want to know more you can join the support group Gadolinium Associated Fibrosis. It's a Yahoo support group. Take care, Sharon > > I am just beginning my chelation as well and I finally have a diagnosis of Gadolinium Associated Systemic Fibrosis. This is due to my exposures from gadolinium based contrasting agents (GBCAs) from MRIs. I had many. > > I'm going to try this product and believe this will help and truly get me on the path to healing. ACZ Nano Zeolite is the name of the product and the gadolinium used in the GBCAs is nano is size. It's been a struggle trying to get help as no one understands about what these GBCAs do to you. > > http://www.acznano.com/products/selective_chelation_by_adsorption.php > > Take care, > Sharon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 Chelation done incorrectly is dangerous and can harm your child. Chelation done correctly can potentially recover your child. EDTA in either form is not OK if mercury is what you are dealing with. It forms complexes with mercury rendering it harder to remove. Any chelation protocol should take into account the length of time the chelation chemical is active in the body, or " half-life " , and dose it accordingly. There's potential danger in stirring up metals from benign places, like muscle tissue, and letting it be released to drift into critical organs like the brain or liver. That's the problem with IV chelation. Your chelation protocol should also recognize that moving metals can stress the body and use low chelator doses along with plenty of antioxidants to address this. Having used the wrong methods a few times and experienced the consequences, I really urge you to research Cutler protocol before you do anything. Make sure you understand it rather than listen to a doctor regardless of their claims. There are so many doctors including very well-known ones doing chelation the wrong way and teaching other doctors their methods; it is really unfortunate but true. If they mess a kid up, they seldom hear about it because the parents start to look for other solutions. Andy Cutler has dealt with a lot of those cases. http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol Jo chelating 3 kids and myself > > Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > > H > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 Chelation done incorrectly is dangerous and can harm your child. Chelation done correctly can potentially recover your child. EDTA in either form is not OK if mercury is what you are dealing with. It forms complexes with mercury rendering it harder to remove. Any chelation protocol should take into account the length of time the chelation chemical is active in the body, or " half-life " , and dose it accordingly. There's potential danger in stirring up metals from benign places, like muscle tissue, and letting it be released to drift into critical organs like the brain or liver. That's the problem with IV chelation. Your chelation protocol should also recognize that moving metals can stress the body and use low chelator doses along with plenty of antioxidants to address this. Having used the wrong methods a few times and experienced the consequences, I really urge you to research Cutler protocol before you do anything. Make sure you understand it rather than listen to a doctor regardless of their claims. There are so many doctors including very well-known ones doing chelation the wrong way and teaching other doctors their methods; it is really unfortunate but true. If they mess a kid up, they seldom hear about it because the parents start to look for other solutions. Andy Cutler has dealt with a lot of those cases. http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocol Jo chelating 3 kids and myself > > Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it? > > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning. > > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous? > > H > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 going to beg to differ here a bit, for starters most kids don't have JUST mercury poisening, they also have other metals coupled with it, like lead, which in order to get OUT the mercury you have to First remove the lead. EDTA is most recommended for lead poisening. if you were to do lets say andys DMSA low and frequent doses you will forever be working to get that lead out first before you can get to the mercury as well. one is faster. not necessarily more unsafe (it's done all the time safly) it's just not how ALL dr's like andy cutler perfer to do it. there are many kids walking around recovered. and many chelated differently. many NOT andy cutler ways. infact all the first recocvered kids on the market so to say were done with DMSA NOT on his doseing schedual. and there were thousands. so don't let one group of thought bully you. there are many methods and ways to recover kids as all our kids are different, and have different issues. this is called addressing the child, and symptoms. which is what recovery is suppose to be about From: detoxhealing Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:42 PM To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Chelation Chelation done incorrectly is dangerous and can harm your child. Chelation done correctly can potentially recover your child.EDTA in either form is not OK if mercury is what you are dealing with. It forms complexes with mercury rendering it harder to remove.Any chelation protocol should take into account the length of time the chelation chemical is active in the body, or "half-life", and dose it accordingly. There's potential danger in stirring up metals from benign places, like muscle tissue, and letting it be released to drift into critical organs like the brain or liver. That's the problem with IV chelation.Your chelation protocol should also recognize that moving metals can stress the body and use low chelator doses along with plenty of antioxidants to address this.Having used the wrong methods a few times and experienced the consequences, I really urge you to research Cutler protocol before you do anything. Make sure you understand it rather than listen to a doctor regardless of their claims. There are so many doctors including very well-known ones doing chelation the wrong way and teaching other doctors their methods; it is really unfortunate but true. If they mess a kid up, they seldom hear about it because the parents start to look for other solutions. Andy Cutler has dealt with a lot of those cases.http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocolJochelating 3 kids and myself>> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?> > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.> > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous?> > H> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2010 Report Share Posted December 3, 2010 going to beg to differ here a bit, for starters most kids don't have JUST mercury poisening, they also have other metals coupled with it, like lead, which in order to get OUT the mercury you have to First remove the lead. EDTA is most recommended for lead poisening. if you were to do lets say andys DMSA low and frequent doses you will forever be working to get that lead out first before you can get to the mercury as well. one is faster. not necessarily more unsafe (it's done all the time safly) it's just not how ALL dr's like andy cutler perfer to do it. there are many kids walking around recovered. and many chelated differently. many NOT andy cutler ways. infact all the first recocvered kids on the market so to say were done with DMSA NOT on his doseing schedual. and there were thousands. so don't let one group of thought bully you. there are many methods and ways to recover kids as all our kids are different, and have different issues. this is called addressing the child, and symptoms. which is what recovery is suppose to be about From: detoxhealing Sent: Friday, December 03, 2010 1:42 PM To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: Chelation Chelation done incorrectly is dangerous and can harm your child. Chelation done correctly can potentially recover your child.EDTA in either form is not OK if mercury is what you are dealing with. It forms complexes with mercury rendering it harder to remove.Any chelation protocol should take into account the length of time the chelation chemical is active in the body, or "half-life", and dose it accordingly. There's potential danger in stirring up metals from benign places, like muscle tissue, and letting it be released to drift into critical organs like the brain or liver. That's the problem with IV chelation.Your chelation protocol should also recognize that moving metals can stress the body and use low chelator doses along with plenty of antioxidants to address this.Having used the wrong methods a few times and experienced the consequences, I really urge you to research Cutler protocol before you do anything. Make sure you understand it rather than listen to a doctor regardless of their claims. There are so many doctors including very well-known ones doing chelation the wrong way and teaching other doctors their methods; it is really unfortunate but true. If they mess a kid up, they seldom hear about it because the parents start to look for other solutions. Andy Cutler has dealt with a lot of those cases.http://onibasu.com/wiki/Cutler_protocolJochelating 3 kids and myself>> Is Chelation Dangerous? Our pediatrician says that it is dangerous and should never be done but our lyme doc says no because he knows how to do it?> > Our lyme dr. has not given the name of the chelation drug that he is thinking about but says that it will be used to get rid of magnesium and that it is not dangerous and approved for lead poisoning.> > With those two pieces of info. I think he is talking about EDTA. So is this dangerous?> > H> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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