Re: still hypo even on 30 mg h.c

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 14:22:48 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

>>Free T4 15.3 (9.7 - 25.7)

Free T3 4.4 (3.7 - 6.9)<<

I am sorry but THESE labs show me hypo.You are just barely over mid range

with your Free T4, and your Free T3 is LOW. To be in the top third of this

range you would need your Free T3 to be at least 5.34. This is a minimum it

should be. I would hold your HC where it is and increase thyroid by a 1/4

grain.

Opps Val

I think I may have not explained this very well.

The labs above were done 18 months ago. They are not recent. The recent ones

showed a suppressed TSH, FT£ over the range (because I had taken my Armour

on the day of the test) and FT4 in a reasonable position.

Have I confused you or do you mean to increase anyway because the extra

cortisol is not helping?

I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not responding at 6 weeks to

raises? What is that about? Will another raise just be the same?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 15:34:27 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Val

Me again, I am confused I think and confusing you? Just awake so pse forgive

me if I am struggling to understand what you say below.

Below that is part of my recent post. Would you mind addressing those points

for me so i can try to make sense of what is happening to me. Thanks Val.

Sometimes it takes more than a little raise to raise labs. This is why

we tell people to not let labs be the final answer by themselves.

SYMPTOMS are alot more important. I have problems feeling bad when my T4

goes over range, so I will assume other may have this as well. This is

not true with the Free T3 as many folks only feel well with it quite a

bit over range.

do you mean to increase anyway because the extra

cortisol is not helping?

I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not responding at 6 weeks to

raises? What is that about? Will another raise just be the same?

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 17:27:13 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Hi Val

You still have hypo symptoms so unless you are having adrenal symptoms too,

another thyroid raise is in order.. in spite of your labs

OK. I must check my temps again as last time I looked they were showing

adrenal issues if you remember, about two weeks ago. Will check.

>>I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not responding at 6 weeks to

raises? What is that about? Will another raise just be the same<<

Maybe but maybe not. It is possible you have some thyroid resistance going

on, this take very high levels of T3 to overcome and open receptors. This is

what I did when i went to 7 grains Armour and 125MCG T3. That was way more

than labs showed I needed but soon after going to that dose, I FELT it, and

though i have not had labs done since, now I AM AT 4 GRAINS AND 50MCG t3 AND

FEELING FINE.

OK, so there's hope for me still. What can of timescale should I be looking

at now to ascertain is this raise is going to help me?

Thanks Val.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

>>Free T4 15.3 (9.7 - 25.7)

Free T3 4.4 (3.7 - 6.9)<<

I am sorry but THESE labs show me hypo.You are just barely over mid range with

your Free T4, and your Free T3 is LOW. To be in the top third of this range you

would need your Free T3 to be at least 5.34. This is a minimum it should be. I

would hold your HC where it is and increase thyroid by a 1/4 grain.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 18:12:26 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

Have you checked your ferritin levels? Do you

supplement with iodine? Maybe it's something else in

addition to not being optimal HC & Armour.

Hi ~Sammie

Yes ferritin is OK, had that checked a while back. Iodine no? Does everyone

with hypoT need iodine, maybe I need to look into that?

thanks.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Sometimes it takes more than a little raise to raise labs. This is why

we tell people to not let labs be the final answer by themselves.

SYMPTOMS are alot more important. I have problems feeling bad when my T4

goes over range, so I will assume other may have this as well. This is

not true with the Free T3 as many folks only feel well with it quite a

bit over range.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 18:57:18 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

Here's a link for the patch test

Thanks Sammie, I will get off my butt and do this now, thanks for the nudge!

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 21:01:22 GMT Daylight Time, ybr1959@...

writes:

.. I bet he had been tested every way from

Sunday though for the cause of the Narcolepsy, but you

know if it was hypo they probably didn't catch it if

his labs were " normal " .

I approached my GP with this possibility also before I had the hypoT

diagnosis.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

>>do you mean to increase anyway because the extra

Cortisol is not helping?<<

You still have hypo symptoms so unless you are having adrenal symptoms too,

another thyroid raise is in order.. in spite of your labs

>>I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not responding at 6 weeks to

raises? What is that about? Will another raise just be the same<<

Maybe but maybe not. It is possible you have some thyroid resistance going on,

this take very high levels of T3 to overcome and open receptors. This is what I

did when i went to 7 grains Armour and 125MCG T3. That was way more than labs

showed I needed but soon after going to that dose, I FELT it, and though i have

not had labs done since, now I AM AT 4 GRAINS AND 50MCG t3 AND FEELING FINE.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Have you checked your ferritin levels? Do you

supplement with iodine? Maybe it's something else in

addition to not being optimal HC & Armour.

SAMMIE

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 09/09/2006 15:34:27 GMT Daylight

> Time,

> artisticgroomer@... writes:

>

> Val

> Me again, I am confused I think and confusing you?

> Just awake so pse forgive

> me if I am struggling to understand what you say

> below.

> Below that is part of my recent post. Would you mind

> addressing those points

> for me so i can try to make sense of what is

> happening to me. Thanks Val.

>

> Sometimes it takes more than a little raise to raise

> labs. This is why

> we tell people to not let labs be the final answer

> by themselves.

> SYMPTOMS are alot more important. I have problems

> feeling bad when my T4

> goes over range, so I will assume other may have

> this as well. This is

> not true with the Free T3 as many folks only feel

> well with it quite a

> bit over range.

>

> do you mean to increase anyway because the extra

> cortisol is not helping?

> I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not

> responding at 6 weeks to

> raises? What is that about? Will another raise just

> be the same?

>

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I just joined the iodine group

(iodine ) and am learning a lot. I was

initially diagnosed with Grave's and so I was told to

avoid iodine. I was always subclinically HypoT though

and now I'm for sure HypoT, but still avoided iodine

and seaweed etc. After joining the group, I did the

iodine patch test and it looks like I probably need

iodine. But I guess it's important to get the proper

urine test first before supplementing with iodine.

Maybe you can go to the store and buy some 2% tincture

iodine and do the patch test. It's only a few bucks a

bottle. You just rub the liquid on you arm and see

how quickly it dissolves. If it dissolves quickly,

then I would consider getting the more formal iodine

urine test.

I'm just a newbie with this info as well, but look

forward to hearing what others think. It's

frustrating to think I was doing the right thing by

avoiding iodine all these years, when in fact I really

needed it. When I did patch test, the iodine faded

pretty rapidly.

Here's a link for the patch test:

http://www.wellnesswithin.com/articles/Iodine%20Patch%20Test.pdf

SAMMIE

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 09/09/2006 18:12:26 GMT Daylight

> Time, jigscam@...

> writes:

>

> Have you checked your ferritin levels? Do you

> supplement with iodine? Maybe it's something else

> in

> addition to not being optimal HC & Armour.

>

>

>

> Hi ~Sammie

> Yes ferritin is OK, had that checked a while back.

> Iodine no? Does everyone

> with hypoT need iodine, maybe I need to look into

> that?

> thanks.

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/09/2006 22:51:01 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

I know hypo is rampant in dogs cause I probably send at least one a week of

my grooming clients for thyroid checks and I am not ever wrong! LOL

My dog Blondie I have been treating myself or nearly a month with h.c and T4

and he is showing signs of losing some of his behaviour, fear issues and

fear aggression mostly.

I took him to the vet this morning to have some stitches removes from

another dog's biting him, my heart sank when I saw a male vet appear because I

knew

Blondie is terrified of strange men BUT he allowed this man to remove his

stitches without a murmur AND micro-chip him (I thought I'd get in there when

the going was good, lol). The vet did not know I was giving him meds (they

refused to test him a few months ago by I just bypassed them) and the vet

remarked on how very well he was doing, what an improvement etc. Patted me on

the

head for the good work. ha ha.........

Last time I took him, Blondlie (with a woman vet) growled at her and she was

very frightened and insisted I get a good solid grip on him before she

performed the 'physical' I was requesting to eliminate any other medical causes

for his fear/aggression. She merely listened to his heart for 10 seconds and

declared he was OK and I should have him put down, in fairness to him and to

me.........

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Hi Val,

I haven't started on the Armour yet until I get the HC

in place longer, but please tell me how do you know

that you need additional T3 while taking Armour?

What are the symptoms?

How long does it take to know after starting on the

Armour that you need more T3 as well?

Thanks

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> In a message dated 09/09/2006 17:27:13 GMT Daylight

> Time,

> artisticgroomer@... writes:

>

> Hi Val

>

> You still have hypo symptoms so unless you are

> having adrenal symptoms too,

> another thyroid raise is in order.. in spite of your

> labs

>

> OK. I must check my temps again as last time I

> looked they were showing

> adrenal issues if you remember, about two weeks ago.

> Will check.

>

>

>

> >>I am wondering what your thoughts are on my not

> responding at 6 weeks to

> raises? What is that about? Will another raise just

> be the same<<

>

> Maybe but maybe not. It is possible you have some

> thyroid resistance going

> on, this take very high levels of T3 to overcome

> and open receptors. This is

> what I did when i went to 7 grains Armour and

> 125MCG T3. That was way more

> than labs showed I needed but soon after going to

> that dose, I FELT it, and

> though i have not had labs done since, now I AM AT 4

> GRAINS AND 50MCG t3 AND

> FEELING FINE.

> OK, so there's hope for me still. What can of

> timescale should I be looking

> at now to ascertain is this raise is going to help

> me?

>

> Thanks Val.

>

> Mo

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>>please tell me how do you know

that you need additional T3 while taking Armour?

What are the symptoms? <<

From labs and symptoms. On 4.5 gains Armour I had hypo and hyper symptoms and my

labs showed my Free T4 over range and my Free T3 still at the bottom. Every time

I tried more Armour I got the shakes and high pulse form too much T4. So I

needed to bring my T3 up somehow as i was still having quite severe hypo

symptoms the worst of which is I would fall asleep standing up, working,

driving.. didn't matter what I was doing. I thought I had Narcolepsy!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Hi Val

Ok thanks!

I used to work with a guy who had Narcolepsy, that was

interesting. He was in his 60s and had had it all his

life. He said he was used to it, it didn't bother him

too much anymore. We were working in a homeless

shelter at the time, and he would just fall asleep

standing up or sitting down, wherever he happened to

be, for about a minute or so, then wake up and shake

his head and go on about his business. Now I wonder if

he was hypo. I bet he had been tested every way from

Sunday though for the cause of the Narcolepsy, but you

know if it was hypo they probably didn't catch it if

his labs were " normal " .

--- T wrote:

> >>please tell me how do you know

> that you need additional T3 while taking Armour?

>

> What are the symptoms? <<

>

> From labs and symptoms. On 4.5 gains Armour I had

> hypo and hyper symptoms and my labs showed my Free

> T4 over range and my Free T3 still at the bottom.

> Every time I tried more Armour I got the shakes and

> high pulse form too much T4. So I needed to bring my

> T3 up somehow as i was still having quite severe

> hypo symptoms the worst of which is I would fall

> asleep standing up, working, driving.. didn't matter

> what I was doing. I thought I had Narcolepsy!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>>I bet he had been tested every way from

Sunday though for the cause of the Narcolepsy, but you

know if it was hypo they probably didn't catch it if

his labs were " normal " .<<

Especially if it was just low T3 as that is one they do not usually test unless

forced to or the other ones are low. Weird thing is, My CAT is the same way! I

knew he was hypo by his symptoms., so I kept insisting ion a full panel in spite

of his T4 being in normal range. He had almost NO T3!!!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Wow. I wonder how many Narcoleptics out there are

actually hypothyroid! Why AREN'T the doctors knowing

this thyroid stuff! If it's easy enough for us out

here to learn, why can't they!! grrrrrrrr it makes me

so mad.

My father-in-law went to the doctor years ago because

he was falling asleep at his desk at work in the

afternoons. He was given a diagnosis of hypoglycemia

and told to eat protein every four hours. Nothing

about his thyroid.

My husband has the same thing. So does my son, from

birth. We thought it was just hypoglycemia.

Hmmmmm......thinking I had better get them both tested

for hypo-thyroid now. Crud!!!!!

Thanks

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 09/09/2006 21:01:22 GMT Daylight

> Time, ybr1959@...

> writes:

>

> . I bet he had been tested every way from

> Sunday though for the cause of the Narcolepsy, but

> you

> know if it was hypo they probably didn't catch it

> if

> his labs were " normal " .

>

>

>

>

> I approached my GP with this possibility also before

> I had the hypoT

> diagnosis.

>

> Mo

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

your cat? that makes me wonder what's in the

environment that is causing so much hypothyroid. I

didn't know cats can get it too! Are you giving him

the same kind of T3 that you take or does he have to

have a special kitty kind?

--- wrote:

> >>I bet he had been tested every way from

> Sunday though for the cause of the Narcolepsy, but

> you

> know if it was hypo they probably didn't catch it if

> his labs were " normal " .<<

>

> Especially if it was just low T3 as that is one they

> do not usually test unless forced to or the other

> ones are low. Weird thing is, My CAT is the same

> way! I knew he was hypo by his symptoms., so I kept

> insisting ion a full panel in spite of his T4 being

> in normal range. He had almost NO T3!!!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>>Are you giving him

the same kind of T3 that you take or does he have to

have a special kitty kind? <<

He is on 11 grains a day of Thyroid-S. I get his Armour... LOL The vet & I are

playing his hypo by ear as it is rare in cats, usually they get hyperthyroid.

But .. NO vets are testing cats for this so how do they know it is not more

common than they think? I know hypo is rampant in dogs cause I probably send at

least one a week of my grooming clients for thyroid checks and I am not ever

wrong! LOL

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Wow. Why are cats and dogs hypothyroid? Is it

something in their food? The environment? Can they get

Hashi's too??

--- wrote:

> >>Are you giving him

> the same kind of T3 that you take or does he have to

> have a special kitty kind? <<

>

> He is on 11 grains a day of Thyroid-S. I get his

> Armour... LOL The vet & I are playing his hypo by

> ear as it is rare in cats, usually they get

> hyperthyroid. But .. NO vets are testing cats for

> this so how do they know it is not more common than

> they think? I know hypo is rampant in dogs cause I

> probably send at least one a week of my grooming

> clients for thyroid checks and I am not ever wrong!

> LOL

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow. So " he's ok but needs to be put down " , huh? That

doesn't sound OK to me, sorry! Glad you are helping

him get better, he must feel a lot calmer now.

--- NOVAexeter@... wrote:

> My dog Blondie I have been treating myself or nearly

> a month with h.c and T4

> and he is showing signs of losing some of his

> behaviour, fear issues and

> fear aggression mostly.

> I took him to the vet this morning to have some

> stitches removes from

> another dog's biting him, my heart sank when I saw a

> male vet appear because I knew

> Blondie is terrified of strange men BUT he allowed

> this man to remove his

> stitches without a murmur AND micro-chip him (I

> thought I'd get in there when

> the going was good, lol). The vet did not know I was

> giving him meds (they

> refused to test him a few months ago by I just

> bypassed them) and the vet

> remarked on how very well he was doing, what an

> improvement etc. Patted me on the

> head for the good work. ha ha.........

> Last time I took him, Blondlie (with a woman vet)

> growled at her and she was

> very frightened and insisted I get a good solid grip

> on him before she

> performed the 'physical' I was requesting to

> eliminate any other medical causes

> for his fear/aggression. She merely listened to his

> heart for 10 seconds and

> declared he was OK and I should have him put down,

> in fairness to him and to

> me.........

>

> Mo

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>>Wow. Why are cats and dogs hypothyroid? Is it

something in their food? The environment? Can they get

Hashi's too?<<

I believe it si a combo of over vaccinations with mercury laden vaccines and the

WATER. Both Chlorine and Fluoride displace iodine in the body, ours and theirs.

Iodine is what mkes up the most of thyroid hormones. I have heard of autoimmune

hypo in dogs but not much. Most the blame is pout on environmental factors and

heredity. I do not believe the heredity part any more than i believe most humans

are inheriting it. Estrogens in the food are also BIG time culprits for all of

us as estrogen binds thyroid hormones where they are unusable in the body. Thus

I buy bottled water for my pets and feed organic foods with hopefully no extra

estrogens.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Ah HA! Well that is even more incentive to lose this

weight and get rid of all the extra Estrogens being

stored in fat cells. I love this list. Learn LOTS of

new stuff every day.

Thanks Val, and I hope your kitty is feeling better

soon!

--- wrote:

> >>Wow. Why are cats and dogs hypothyroid? Is it

> something in their food? The environment? Can they

> get

> Hashi's too?<<

>

> I believe it si a combo of over vaccinations with

> mercury laden vaccines and the WATER. Both Chlorine

> and Fluoride displace iodine in the body, ours and

> theirs. Iodine is what mkes up the most of thyroid

> hormones. I have heard of autoimmune hypo in dogs

> but not much. Most the blame is pout on

> environmental factors and heredity. I do not believe

> the heredity part any more than i believe most

> humans are inheriting it. Estrogens in the food are

> also BIG time culprits for all of us as estrogen

> binds thyroid hormones where they are unusable in

> the body. Thus I buy bottled water for my pets and

> feed organic foods with hopefully no extra

> estrogens.

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Well he has been on thyroid-s for about 2 years now, we tried Armour ad

he actually does better on Thyroid-S, no weight loss, but his activity

level and socialness has improved 150%! All 26=27 pounds of him romps

and plays though he huffs & puffs after each run he is still doingthem,

which at about 9 years old is greeat. I exercise him wiht a laser light

toy and he loives his catnip (0 calorie) treats! LOL

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

awwwwwwwww he sounds so cute! :-)

--- wrote:

> Well he has been on thyroid-s for about 2 years now,

> we tried Armour ad

> he actually does better on Thyroid-S, no weight

> loss, but his activity

> level and socialness has improved 150%! All 26=27

> pounds of him romps

> and plays though he huffs & puffs after each run he

> is still doingthem,

> which at about 9 years old is greeat. I exercise him

> wiht a laser light

> toy and he loives his catnip (0 calorie) treats! LOL

__________________________________________________