Re: Not a sickness/diabetes/alcoholism

April 27, 2001

> P.S. When I stopped doing alcohol and drugs, I

> returned to my food of choice: sugar

***Yup, exactly. When I was drinking, I barely ate - food didn't matter,

but when I stopped (4+ years now, thanks to my Higher Power and AA), I

turned back to sugar. This had gone on and off and on with either the one

or the other for 25+ years. Now I find that I have to treat sugar like

alcohol - a big NO. If I do eat any candy, especially, the obsession kicks

right back in for a few days, and jelly beans are all I think about. So I

find it much easier to not eat candy or any really carby or high glycemic

foods. No cravings. It really works for me.

Barb

April 27, 2001

me too...I am adopted...guess you can tell by my last messages...teehee...

yes...birthmom is diabetic and I think it is from the way she lived.

Alcoholics.....

that too...some abuse also....jeesh...my birthmom had a rough life, but I

also *know* that birthmoms abuse themselves sometimes. Too much pain from

losing a child..etc.

I also hate being judged.

hugs, Coleen

Re: Not a sickness/diabetes/alcoholism

if we had eaten correctly

> and healthy all our lives,

> kept our weight totally normal, not overloaded on

> " whites " and sugars, and

> exercised every day? Is there anyone on this list

> that has led a totally

> healthy lifestyle and still got type two diabetes.

> I'm just curious. I have

> no idea whether

cool , i'm adopted too. and when i start

judging alcoholics and druggies, i think how much i

adore someone saying under their breath " you don't

need that cheesecake. " i hate being judged. people

wonder why i never married; why my mom and i live

together; why i gave up a job in corporate america to

weave baskets. well, who knows. i have no clue

what runs in my " real " family, but i'm betting

addiction is there, because i get addicted easily. i

hope i don't get addicted to finger pricking, because

i can't type with my toes. pat

=====

wendy darling-pan aka pat

http://www.basketsbypat.com

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April 27, 2001

<<<<Sometimes I feel like

I'm doing a very difficult balancing act and it gets

overwhelming, but a lot

of the time I really can say that I think I'm in good

health. A great deal

of it depends on my attitude.

Anne>>>>

Thanks for your message, Anne. I had to lol when I

read the above paragraph! {:-D I,too, consider myself

in good health. Yet, I have glaucoma, diabetes, a

ruptured disc at L5, arthritis, dengenerative disc

disease of my cervical spine, periformis gluteous

syndrome, and Plantar's faciitis!!! Attitude

certainly does make a difference. Ohhhhhhh, am also

diagnosed as clinically depressed.

I salute your 14 years of sobriety. Aren't we the

lucky ones!!

Hugs,

Sheila

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April 28, 2001

In a message dated 01-04-27 19:27:16 EDT, you write:

<<

Some people can drink and never turn into alcoholics. Other's cannot. I

don't think alcoholics choose to be that way. If diabetes (a disease) is not

our fault why wouldn't alcoholism (a disease) fall into that same category?

E

>>

I think you're absolutely right there, ...and I have the greatest

admiration for people who have been active alcoholics and have been able to

stop drinking. I know there are a number of such people on this list; I have

also known many personally. I fully realize the gigantic, never-ending

effort it takes every single day, just as the effort to control diabetics

must happen every single day too.

I guess what I was saying is that it's impossible for me to admire the

uncontrolled alcoholic as well as the uncontrolled diabetic in the same way.

An out of control diabetic only harms him/herself. which is bad enough, and

one of the reasons I spend X amount of hours a day on the diabetes lists

trying to motivate people. But out of control alcoholics very often harms

others too, (through car accidents, etc.) as well as themselves. .

Incidentally, my ex-husband was an active alcoholic, so I'm speaking from

some pretty close experience. And I have a close friend whose daughter was

killed by a drunken driver. Vicki

..

April 28, 2001

In a message dated 01-04-27 20:18:06 EDT, you write:

<<

I feel sad when I hear people still voicing the stance

that alcoholism, and drug addiction, are matters of

will power. My goal in life was certainly never to

become either an alcoholic or a drug addict.

>>

Sheila, I posted further on this subject today...I realized my first post on

the subject sounded very harsh and I did want to modify it. Hope I didn't

offend anyone here. Hugs, Vicki

April 28, 2001

I have two adopted daughters (and one not adopted)...one of the two adopted

daughters had fetal alcohol syndrome (but we didn't know that when we got her

as a newborn) with all the attendant growing-up problems and she's a

full-blown adult alcoholic now...maybe that's one of the reasons I sounded so

harsh in my earlier posts re alcoholism. There was so much pain associated

with raising that FAS-affected daughter that now, years past the time since

she lived with us, I'm still angry at her birth mother for continuing to

drink heavily throughout her pregnancy. .

....and Pat, loved the last sentence of your post <g>

In a message dated 01-04-27 20:53:27 EDT, you write:

<<

cool , i'm adopted too. and when i start

judging alcoholics and druggies, i think how much i

adore someone saying under their breath " you don't

need that cheesecake. " i hate being judged. people

wonder why i never married; why my mom and i live

together; why i gave up a job in corporate america to

weave baskets. well, who knows. i have no clue

what runs in my " real " family, but i'm betting

addiction is there, because i get addicted easily. i

hope i don't get addicted to finger pricking, because

i can't type with my toes. pat >>

April 28, 2001

How many things can we diabetics have in common? :-) I feel blessed to be

adopted- flaws and all!

E

I have two adopted daughters (and one not adopted)...one of the two adopted

daughters had fetal alcohol syndrome (but we didn't know that when we got

her

as a newborn) with all the attendant growing-up problems and she's a

full-blown adult alcoholic now...maybe that's one of the reasons I sounded

so

harsh in my earlier posts re alcoholism. There was so much pain associated

with raising that FAS-affected daughter that now, years past the time since

she lived with us, I'm still angry at her birth mother for continuing to

drink heavily throughout her pregnancy. .

....and Pat, loved the last sentence of your post <g>

In a message dated 01-04-27 20:53:27 EDT, you write:

<<

cool , i'm adopted too. and when i start

judging alcoholics and druggies, i think how much i

adore someone saying under their breath " you don't

need that cheesecake. " i hate being judged. people

wonder why i never married; why my mom and i live

together; why i gave up a job in corporate america to

weave baskets. well, who knows. i have no clue

what runs in my " real " family, but i'm betting

addiction is there, because i get addicted easily. i

hope i don't get addicted to finger pricking, because

i can't type with my toes. pat >>

April 28, 2001

Hi Vicki- I know what you mean. Today (at my parents farm) I ran into the

young man and his father who help keep things up. He happened to say " we

have sugar in our family " . Two months ago I would have had no idea what he

was taliking about. I immediately asked- you mean diabetes? He said yes- I

went into a small lecture on carbs and he looked at me and said " my dad

could never give up bread " - but his bs runs over300 in the evening after

dinner. I said he could avoid bad complications if he would stay away from

" whites " . It was obviously not an option. I felt frustrated but realized

that I can not change the world. His father takes a shot in the am and pm

and eats what he wants. His bs is uncontrolled. I don't admire that but I

can understand that he has no computer, no help, probably a bad dr. So no

admiration but much sympathy. I hope sooner or later he will wake up but he

probably won't. He is a good person and it only makes me sad that he can not

deal with his disease. BTW- he is also an alcoholic.