Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 How much iron are you taking? I've been taking iron for 2 months and my labs didn't show a change at all. How much Synthroid were you on? 1 grain of Armour seems low. Have you been tracking your temps? Also do you have thyroid labs to show the groups? SAMMIE roesslk wrote: Hi All, I've posted other places and have not received any responses. I think Yaho was acting up earlier today. If someone has the time to help, I would sincerely appreciate it. I'm using Isocort -been increasing the dosage. I'm at 2 tabs first thing, 1 tab 4 hours later and 1 more tab 4 hours after that. I was on Synthroid when I added in the Iso and felt horrible (not due to the Iso, felt horrible on the Syn) so I ditched the Syn and added 1 grain of Armour about a week or so ago. I feel horrible and don't know what to do. I don't have any hyper symptoms at all but the hypo ones are killin' me. The muscles in my legs hurt and I'm just dragging myself around. Brain fog bad, got never ending blues,no libido, fluid retention, you get the picture. A side note - I had low ferritin and have been taking iron every day for quite awhile so I think that should be improving. So, I understand that I have to treat the adrenals first - do I have to take the slow move up with the Iso or can I speed it up a bit? Or should I try to raise the Armour and is it safe to try and do that? Another question - mail guy just came - my HC came in the mail - should I stop the Iso and use that or just stick with the Iso until I get to 20MG? This is so confusing to me, which is why I was scared to do it. Any response would be appreciated. Kathy in NJ --------------------------------- Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hi Kathy! I'd substitute out 5mg at a time HC for 2 Isocort, because HC IS more active. What dose $yncrap were you on before you switched? It'd be helpful to know that in order to know how your dose has changed. Deborah roesslk wrote: > Hi All, > > I've posted other places and have not received any responses. I > think Yaho was acting up earlier today. If someone has the time to > help, I would sincerely appreciate it. > > I'm using Isocort -been increasing the dosage. I'm at 2 tabs first > thing, 1 tab 4 hours later and 1 more tab 4 hours after that. I was > on Synthroid when I added in the Iso and felt horrible (not due to > the Iso, felt horrible on the Syn) so I ditched the Syn and added 1 > grain of Armour about a week or so ago. I feel horrible and don't > know what to do. I don't have any hyper symptoms at all but the hypo > ones are killin' me. The muscles in my legs hurt and I'm just > dragging myself around. Brain fog bad, got never ending blues,no > libido, fluid retention, you get the picture. A side note - I had > low ferritin and have been taking iron every day for quite awhile so > I think that should be improving. > > So, I understand that I have to treat the adrenals first - do I have > to take the slow move up with the Iso or can I speed it up a bit? Or > should I try to raise the Armour and is it safe to try and do that? > Another question - mail guy just came - my HC came in the mail - > should I stop the Iso and use that or just stick with the Iso until > I get to 20MG? This is so confusing to me, which is why I was > scared to do it. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 $yncrap! That just totally made me laugh out loud. Good times at my boring office job............ SAMMIE Deborah Jacques wrote: Hi Kathy! I'd substitute out 5mg at a time HC for 2 Isocort, because HC IS more active. What dose $yncrap were you on before you switched? It'd be helpful to know that in order to know how your dose has changed. Deborah roesslk wrote: > Hi All, > > I've posted other places and have not received any responses. I > think Yaho was acting up earlier today. If someone has the time to > help, I would sincerely appreciate it. > > I'm using Isocort -been increasing the dosage. I'm at 2 tabs first > thing, 1 tab 4 hours later and 1 more tab 4 hours after that. I was > on Synthroid when I added in the Iso and felt horrible (not due to > the Iso, felt horrible on the Syn) so I ditched the Syn and added 1 > grain of Armour about a week or so ago. I feel horrible and don't > know what to do. I don't have any hyper symptoms at all but the hypo > ones are killin' me. The muscles in my legs hurt and I'm just > dragging myself around. Brain fog bad, got never ending blues,no > libido, fluid retention, you get the picture. A side note - I had > low ferritin and have been taking iron every day for quite awhile so > I think that should be improving. > > So, I understand that I have to treat the adrenals first - do I have > to take the slow move up with the Iso or can I speed it up a bit? Or > should I try to raise the Armour and is it safe to try and do that? > Another question - mail guy just came - my HC came in the mail - > should I stop the Iso and use that or just stick with the Iso until > I get to 20MG? This is so confusing to me, which is why I was > scared to do it. > > > --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I am delighted to have been able to brighten your day, if only briefly. $ is what the stuff is good for, for doc's & pharma's ... crap is what it does for us. :-) Deborah Sammie Baker wrote: > $yncrap! That just totally made me laugh out loud. Good times at my > boring office job............ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hi Sammie, thanks for responding. Answers below. Kathy in NJ > How much iron are you taking? I've been taking iron for 2 months and my labs didn't show a change at all. 18 mg. tabs, 6 tabs a day. Haven't had labs in a couple months for ferritin. Assuming it's getting better. >>How much Synthroid were you on? 1 grain of Armour seems low. I was on .112 Syn but was told to stay where I was while I introduced the Isocort. Couldn't take it so got rid of Syn and added 1 grain Armour. > Have you been tracking your temps? Also do you have thyroid labs to show the groups? Not tracking temps like I should but when I do take them they sit around 97 to 97.6. Recent labs for thyroid were as follows, taken August 16, doc had already had me reduce Armour and after these labs were taken she put me back on Syn because I complained of feeling like crap. TSH 0.75 (range 0.4-5.5) Free T4 1.0 (range 0.8-1.8) Free T3 236 (range 230-420) All, of course, considered normal. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Hi Deborah - also responded to Sammie's post. Was on .112 of Syn. Thing is, I had not introduced Iso/HC yet when I was on Syn so I'm not sure where to go here. Do I stay on schedule with HC, with the increases every three days or so (according to the STTM site), without increasing Armour? Do I speed up the Iso/HC schedule and ONLY increase Armour once I get to 20MG Iso/HC? Do I increase Armour now and continue on the HC schedule? The brain fog doesn't help with my understanding of this and it's why I've run away from self treating before - just scared - even though I need to do something so I don't feel so sick. Thanks, Kathy in NJ > > Hi Kathy! > > I'd substitute out 5mg at a time HC for 2 Isocort, because HC IS more > active. What dose $yncrap were you on before you switched? It'd be > helpful to know that in order to know how your dose has changed. > > Deborah > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Oh yea, I'd feel like hell with those " normal " labs. It seems like you need more Armour for sure with those low temps and labs, but it's so important to increase sloooooooooooooowly - 1/4 grain or less at a time over the course of weeks. And I wish I knew more about iron doses. I think I take 450mg, but maybe I mean mcg ?? And yet, apparantly this isn't enough for me. So your dose seems very low to me. Hopefully others will weigh in....... How is the Isocort working for you? Did you have a saliva test confirming adrenal fatigue? SAMMIE roesslk wrote: Hi Sammie, thanks for responding. Answers below. Kathy in NJ > How much iron are you taking? I've been taking iron for 2 months and my labs didn't show a change at all. 18 mg. tabs, 6 tabs a day. Haven't had labs in a couple months for ferritin. Assuming it's getting better. >>How much Synthroid were you on? 1 grain of Armour seems low. I was on .112 Syn but was told to stay where I was while I introduced the Isocort. Couldn't take it so got rid of Syn and added 1 grain Armour. > Have you been tracking your temps? Also do you have thyroid labs to show the groups? Not tracking temps like I should but when I do take them they sit around 97 to 97.6. Recent labs for thyroid were as follows, taken August 16, doc had already had me reduce Armour and after these labs were taken she put me back on Syn because I complained of feeling like crap. TSH 0.75 (range 0.4-5.5) Free T4 1.0 (range 0.8-1.8) Free T3 236 (range 230-420) All, of course, considered normal. > > > > --------------------------------- Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Kathy, I would just switch out to the HC in the same amount you are on of Isocort ( each Iso pellet is 2.5 MG HC) then in a day try an Armour increase of 1/4 grain. If you are having no hyper symptoms you can increase Armour by 1/4 grain a week even while you are working up on HC.Just watch for hyper in higher temps and higher pulse(temps over 99 and pulse over 90 BPM) and if they show up you might need to stop thyroid for a few days to use up excess, but sounds like you are just getting more & more hypo. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Sammie, The Isocort isn't doing anything, but I'm only at 10 mg a day. Am going to take 's advise and switch over to HC since it just arrived yesterday. And, yes, a saliva test confirmed the adrenal issue. Results were: Cortisol 7-8AM – 19 – Normal (range 13-34) 11AM-12PM - < 1 – Depressed (range 5-10) 4-5PM – 1 – Depressed (range 3-8) 11-12PM – 1 – Normal (range 1-4) Cortisol Burden – 22 (range 23-42) Thanks for the help, Kathy in NJ > > How is the Isocort working for you? Did you have a saliva test confirming adrenal fatigue? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi Val, thanks for the response. I'm due to go up on the Iscort tomorrow. So, will switch to HC then and will do 5 mg. first thing, 5 mg. 4 hours later (this is where the increase is) and then 2.5mg 4 hours after that. Will be at 12.5mg total until the next raise is due. Will add in 1/4 grain of Armour to the 1 grain I'm already taking during the weekend and will see what happens. I assume I will take this extra 1/4 with the 1 grain in the morning - no split dosing yet. Thanks!! Kathy in NJ > > Kathy, I would just switch out to the HC in the same amount you are on > of Isocort ( each Iso pellet is 2.5 MG HC) then in a day try an Armour > increase of 1/4 grain. If you are having no hyper symptoms you can > increase Armour by 1/4 grain a week even while you are working up on > HC.Just watch for hyper in higher temps and higher pulse(temps over 99 > and pulse over 90 BPM) and if they show up you might need to stop > thyroid for a few days to use up excess, but sounds like you are just > getting more & more hypo. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 >>I assume I will take this extra 1/4 with the 1 grain in the morning - no split dosing yet. << With your bad adrenal labs I would recommend split dosing, even now. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Hi again, Val. Thanks for the info. ok, so right now I take 1 grain in the AM, sublingually. As you know, I currently feel pretty horrible. My own fault for going back to Syn. When I go to 1.25 grains how should I split it up? 1 grain first thing in AM and then the .25 four hours later with the next HC dose? I have no hyper symptoms at all right now. Was like a zombie driving to work this morning, even with 9 hours sleep and my darn leg muscles are like lead. :-( Kathy in NJ > > >>I assume I > will take this extra 1/4 with the 1 grain in the morning - no split > dosing yet. << > > With your bad adrenal labs I would recommend split dosing, even now. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I think in your place I would take the second dose in 4 hours, then increase it again in another week. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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