Re: Dr Brownstein - $375/hour!...doctor review

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In a message dated 30/08/2006 19:10:38 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

It is all in perspective isn't it?

Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price charing is

immoral because it does not take into account patients who are unable to find

this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for the less so.

And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely to suffer

health problems.

MO

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

I agree with you Mo, these drs are supposed to be dedicated to healing

people... not just rich people..granted everyone needs to get paid... but prices

like this create the unfortunate reality that only the rich can afford to get

well these days.. hes not the only one..almost every alternative dr i have

contacted to find out about treatment and prices has a first office visit of at

least $400 with next visits falling slightly below that, plus the price of tests

they run and supplements they sell.. it prices people with a medium income out

of the water.... it seems that these alternative doctors who have more of the

answers to health problems and have had success treating people have realized

that the doctors covered by insurance are not helping people so they have

decided to cash in on that fact.... which to me is just as bad if not worse than

the regular doctors not getting and using the right information..and like you

said people who just dont have that kind of money are the ones suffering..

In a message dated 8/30/2006 2:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

NOVAexeter@... writes:

Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price charing is

immoral because it does not take into account patients who are unable to find

this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for the less so.

And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely to suffer

health problems.

MO

[Guest guest]

Jim,

I think it is a problem in many other areas as well. Look at how many

CEO's make millions to run a company into the ground. The government

only thinks about themselves.

Heck I just got back from my Dentist. I had a crown fall off. His

assistant mixed the glue and he popped it on. Total time=3 minutes.

Total bill was $90. That is $1800/hr. $375 is a bargain. He has to

put his kids thru college somehow. LOL

It sucks

jingles

>

> I think a doctor review is loooonnnnggg overdue.

>

>

> I mean think about it if you would sell pencils on ebay you would be

> rated but not if you do heart surgery!!!!!!

>

>

> Jim

>

[Guest guest]

There are some sites that review doctors but they are not all that

active

http://www.healthgrades.com and http://www.doctorscorecard.com/main

and there are others.

> I know other groups have a list in files about opinions on docs.

This might be helpful if people gave reviews - good or bad so we had

the chance to look at them before spending a great deal of money to

find out for ourselves.

[Guest guest]

>>That is $1800/hr. $375 is a bargain. He has to

put his kids thru college somehow. LOL<<

It is all in perspective isn't it?

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I don't believe that is the case at all. Have you ever seen a doctors bill

when it goes to the insurance company? It is not $75, it is hundreds of

dollars.

I'm certainly not defending doctors, especially those with million dollar

mansions, etc., but they are not all like that. Additionally, can you even

imagine the cost of their liability insurance? There are many doctors that

deserve to be sued, but there are far more people who will sue over

absolutely any little thing, just to make some free $$$$

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

Re: Re: Dr Brownstein - $375/hour!...doctor review

> I agree with you Mo, these drs are supposed to be dedicated to healing

> people... not just rich people..granted everyone needs to get paid... but

prices

> like this create the unfortunate reality that only the rich can afford to

get

> well these days.. hes not the only one..almost every alternative dr i have

> contacted to find out about treatment and prices has a first office visit

of at

> least $400 with next visits falling slightly below that, plus the price of

tests

> they run and supplements they sell.. it prices people with a medium income

out

> of the water.... it seems that these alternative doctors who have more of

the

> answers to health problems and have had success treating people have

realized

> that the doctors covered by insurance are not helping people so they have

> decided to cash in on that fact.... which to me is just as bad if not

worse than

> the regular doctors not getting and using the right information..and like

you

> said people who just dont have that kind of money are the ones suffering..

>

> In a message dated 8/30/2006 2:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> NOVAexeter@... writes:

> Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price charing is

> immoral because it does not take into account patients who are unable to

find

>

> this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for the less

so.

> And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely to suffer

> health problems.

>

> MO

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

My dental work was expensive also.

I think it was like $400 for like 30 minutes?? It was a while ago so

I'm guessing.

But anyway the work was done right so I feel like I got something

for my money...although it is way too much for the little bit of

work that was done IMO.

What is really bad though is when you drive yourself to a doctor

take the time and spend the money and come away with NOTHING or

worse end up sicker from following bad advice.

And as far as putting thier kids through college goes.....yeah the

first 6 days of the year pays for 4 years of school the remainder of

the year buys the 2 million dollar house!

Jim

>

> Jim,

>

> I think it is a problem in many other areas as well. Look at how

many

> CEO's make millions to run a company into the ground. The

government

> only thinks about themselves.

>

> Heck I just got back from my Dentist. I had a crown fall off. His

> assistant mixed the glue and he popped it on. Total time=3

minutes.

> Total bill was $90. That is $1800/hr. $375 is a bargain. He has

to

> put his kids thru college somehow. LOL

>

>

> It sucks

> jingles

>

> >

> > I think a doctor review is loooonnnnggg overdue.

> >

> >

> > I mean think about it if you would sell pencils on ebay you

would be

> > rated but not if you do heart surgery!!!!!!

> >

> >

> > Jim

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks

I looked at the one before and I didn't want to pay to read one review

so I didn't sign up!

Jim

>

> There are some sites that review doctors but they are not all that

> active

>

> http://www.healthgrades.com and http://www.doctorscorecard.com/main

> and there are others.

>

>

>

>

> > I know other groups have a list in files about opinions on docs.

> This might be helpful if people gave reviews - good or bad so we had

> the chance to look at them before spending a great deal of money to

> find out for ourselves.

>

[Guest guest]

I remember a few years ago there was talk about limiting a

malpractice lawsuit to 150k!

This would reduce insurance for doctors. I think it would make

malpractice even more rampant!

I thought why don;t they do something to get the doctors that are

causing the majority of malpractice suits out of business?? Like a

review of some sort.

That would make the most sense to me. I bet it's the same ones that

have the majority of lawsuits.

Instead of protecting them by having thier victims collect less

money when they amputate the wrong leg!!

And if it is proven that someone filed a false claim..they sgould do

jail time.

Jim

>

> I don't believe that is the case at all. Have you ever seen a

doctors bill

> when it goes to the insurance company? It is not $75, it is

hundreds of

> dollars.

>

> I'm certainly not defending doctors, especially those with million

dollar

> mansions, etc., but they are not all like that. Additionally, can

you even

> imagine the cost of their liability insurance? There are many

doctors that

> deserve to be sued, but there are far more people who will sue over

> absolutely any little thing, just to make some free $$$$

>

> Best,

>

> Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

> ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

> you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

> ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

> purpose of storing dead batteries.~

>

> Re: Re: Dr Brownstein -

$375/hour!...doctor review

>

>

> > I agree with you Mo, these drs are supposed to be dedicated to

healing

> > people... not just rich people..granted everyone needs to get

paid... but

> prices

> > like this create the unfortunate reality that only the rich can

afford to

> get

> > well these days.. hes not the only one..almost every alternative

dr i have

> > contacted to find out about treatment and prices has a first

office visit

> of at

> > least $400 with next visits falling slightly below that, plus

the price of

> tests

> > they run and supplements they sell.. it prices people with a

medium income

> out

> > of the water.... it seems that these alternative doctors who

have more of

> the

> > answers to health problems and have had success treating people

have

> realized

> > that the doctors covered by insurance are not helping people so

they have

> > decided to cash in on that fact.... which to me is just as bad

if not

> worse than

> > the regular doctors not getting and using the right

information..and like

> you

> > said people who just dont have that kind of money are the ones

suffering..

> >

> > In a message dated 8/30/2006 2:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > NOVAexeter@... writes:

> > Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price

charing is

> > immoral because it does not take into account patients who are

unable to

> find

> >

> > this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for

the less

> so.

> > And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely

to suffer

> > health problems.

> >

> > MO

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 31/08/2006 15:44:26 GMT Daylight Time, mives@...

writes:

Yes, I'll cry about the cost of it, but if there is

any feasible way, I'll do it.

Well here's my plan, lol

I have written to a well-known top doc in England and asked me to consider

my financial situation, out of work for fifteen years due to incapacity, and

perhaps lower his charge in keeping with what my income is i.e. his fee is

weekly income.

You don't ask you don't get eh? All he can say is no, or not reply. And I am

none the worse for.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Jim:

I am on the other side of the bad doctor problem. I have Lyme Disease and

doctors who treat Lyme are being targeted and are losing their licenses.

The state medical board rules one day, that the docs are guilty of

something, they break into the doc office and take all the patient records,

regardless of Hippa laws or whatever it is called. They then go thru the

records and decide that someone was not treated correctly, even without the

patient's knowledge, and they charge the doctor with all kinds of charges

and pull their license.

My really good endocrinologist lost her license this way (one of the charges

was that she was over prescribing growth hormone, naturally she was

prescribing it a lot, people came from out of state to see her because their

own doctors did not care. Several Lyme docs have been accused of killing

patients or using bad treatments as well.

For some reason, in this country, if you have a growth hormone deficiency

which will be present often in people with adrenal-pitutiary problems (mine

destroyed by Lyme) you do not get to receive growth hormone treatments. If

you have AIDS you may get to have the treatment. The situation with Lyme

can be just as bad.

So targeting the bad docs might be another way to also target the ones who

do not listen the what insurance companies or drug companies want them to do

We are really held hostage by our medical conditions and limited access to

the truth about medicine and cures.

I have to pay to travel out of state to see Lyme doc, none in my state

anymore. Talk about expensive, the doc is cheap, the plane ticket, rental

car and hotel is what is so expensive. No insurance covers that.

-- Re: Dr Brownstein - $375/hour!...doctor review

I remember a few years ago there was talk about limiting a

malpractice lawsuit to 150k!

This would reduce insurance for doctors. I think it would make

malpractice even more rampant!

I thought why don;t they do something to get the doctors that are

causing the majority of malpractice suits out of business?? Like a

review of some sort.

That would make the most sense to me. I bet it's the same ones that

have the majority of lawsuits.

Instead of protecting them by having thier victims collect less

money when they amputate the wrong leg!!

And if it is proven that someone filed a false claim..they sgould do

jail time.

Jim

>

> I don't believe that is the case at all. Have you ever seen a

doctors bill

> when it goes to the insurance company? It is not $75, it is

hundreds of

> dollars.

>

> I'm certainly not defending doctors, especially those with million

dollar

> mansions, etc., but they are not all like that. Additionally, can

you even

> imagine the cost of their liability insurance? There are many

doctors that

> deserve to be sued, but there are far more people who will sue over

> absolutely any little thing, just to make some free $$$$

>

> Best,

>

> Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

> Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

>

> ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

> you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

> ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

> purpose of storing dead batteries.~

>

> Re: Re: Dr Brownstein -

$375/hour!...doctor review

>

>

> > I agree with you Mo, these drs are supposed to be dedicated to

healing

> > people... not just rich people..granted everyone needs to get

paid... but

> prices

> > like this create the unfortunate reality that only the rich can

afford to

> get

> > well these days.. hes not the only one..almost every alternative

dr i have

> > contacted to find out about treatment and prices has a first

office visit

> of at

> > least $400 with next visits falling slightly below that, plus

the price of

> tests

> > they run and supplements they sell.. it prices people with a

medium income

> out

> > of the water.... it seems that these alternative doctors who

have more of

> the

> > answers to health problems and have had success treating people

have

> realized

> > that the doctors covered by insurance are not helping people so

they have

> > decided to cash in on that fact.... which to me is just as bad

if not

> worse than

> > the regular doctors not getting and using the right

information..and like

> you

> > said people who just dont have that kind of money are the ones

suffering..

> >

> > In a message dated 8/30/2006 2:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > NOVAexeter@... writes:

> > Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price

charing is

> > immoral because it does not take into account patients who are

unable to

> find

> >

> > this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for

the less

> so.

> > And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely

to suffer

> > health problems.

> >

> > MO

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Exactly right, . We all know how well the " standard of care " works.

How about if the AMA decided that they would bar any doctor from prescribing

Armour, because Synthroid is the Standard of Care?

Be careful how much you try to regulate, because the more you regulate, the

more of your own rights are taken away. You can't regulate morality.

As far as cost of care, think about this: You see a doctor for $375/hour.

During that same hour you are seeing the doctor, s/he also has a nurse, a

secretary and receptionist. That is 3 salaries being paid in that one hour.

In addition to malpractice insurance, electricity, telephone, and the

payments on all that expensive equipment, rent, etc. The doctors that

actually SEE you for that hour are not the ones cleaning up. Its the doctor

that breezes in the room and talks to you for 5 minutes are the ones that

are padding their pockets. And not coincidentally, those are the doctors

that we all have problems with, NOT the ones that actualy sit down, spend

the time, and listen to you.

As far as affording that care, my opinion is this: When it comes to my

health and my families health, I will live in my car if I had to, in order

to get well. I will be the first one to dump my cell phone, cancel the

cable subscription, etc., to be able to get well again. You cannot put a

price on your health. Yes, I'll cry about the cost of it, but if there is

any feasible way, I'll do it.

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

Re: Re: Dr Brownstein -

> $375/hour!...doctor review

> >

> >

> > > I agree with you Mo, these drs are supposed to be dedicated to

> healing

> > > people... not just rich people..granted everyone needs to get

> paid... but

> > prices

> > > like this create the unfortunate reality that only the rich can

> afford to

> > get

> > > well these days.. hes not the only one..almost every alternative

> dr i have

> > > contacted to find out about treatment and prices has a first

> office visit

> > of at

> > > least $400 with next visits falling slightly below that, plus

> the price of

> > tests

> > > they run and supplements they sell.. it prices people with a

> medium income

> > out

> > > of the water.... it seems that these alternative doctors who

> have more of

> > the

> > > answers to health problems and have had success treating people

> have

> > realized

> > > that the doctors covered by insurance are not helping people so

> they have

> > > decided to cash in on that fact.... which to me is just as bad

> if not

> > worse than

> > > the regular doctors not getting and using the right

> information..and like

> > you

> > > said people who just dont have that kind of money are the ones

> suffering..

> > >

> > > In a message dated 8/30/2006 2:24:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > > NOVAexeter@... writes:

> > > Well, my perspective as a Leftie, is that this kind of price

> charing is

> > > immoral because it does not take into account patients who are

> unable to

> > find

> > >

> > > this kind of money, so one law for the well-off and another for

> the less

> > so.

> > > And it is the less-so that, statistically, are much more likely

> to suffer

> > > health problems.

> > >

> > > MO

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Good luck!

Best,

Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com

Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com

~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then

you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~

~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the

purpose of storing dead batteries.~

> I have written to a well-known top doc in England and asked me to consider

> my financial situation, out of work for fifteen years due to incapacity,

and

> perhaps lower his charge in keeping with what my income is i.e. his fee is

> weekly income.

> You don't ask you don't get eh? All he can say is no, or not reply. And I

am

> none the worse for.

[Guest guest]

Thanks everybody, for your comments. Don't worry, I wasn't feeling attacked,

only like I needed to explain myself further. It's sometimes hard to

communicate in the written word, via the computer.

I do think a doctor review would be helpful. I also have been thinking so much

about Natural Thyroid awareness and education. I've been thinking about putting

my personal experiences and health history into a letter or something.

Sometimes I feel like the doctors that I've seen over the years MUST care a

little bit about me. Maybe if they saw it all in a clear, easy to read format,

with documentation like test results, MAYBE they would start to get interested

in Natural Thyroid Therapy.

I read the post about writing our politicians and noticed no one replied. I'm

guilty too of not responding. Maybe if we were to put together sort of a form

letter that we could customize if we wanted to and send it to all the doctors

we've seen. This is also a very radical thought, I know, but what about

malpractice suits for UNDERTREATING and mistreating patients. Maybe then

doctors would try to get their education from more than JUST the pharmaceutical

companies with all their new drugs that harm more than help.

I know it's hard to motivate a bunch of fatiqued, tired, achy people but I have

my energetic moments!!! LOL

Lynn S.

[Guest guest]

--- You are absolutely right Mo.

Who are you planning on going to see in England?

Swiss

>

>

> > I have written to a well-known top doc in England and asked me to

consider

> > my financial situation, out of work for fifteen years due to

incapacity,

> and

> > perhaps lower his charge in keeping with what my income is i.e.

his fee is

> > weekly income.

> > You don't ask you don't get eh? All he can say is no, or not

reply. And I

> am

> > none the worse for.

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I don't have a cell phone or cable tv, I just have a mortgage that takes

most of my check. I wouldn't mind the $375 if, #1 it was covered by insurance,

#2 I actually got the whole hour with the doc, and #3 I actually got some real

practical help from the doc. I understand that doc's have staff, have rent, have

malpractice ins. and other overhead. I guess what I really object to is the ones

who charge a lot and then don't help you that much. Dr. Brownstein might help me

a lot, but unless he is part of my PPO there is no way I could afford to see

him. This is just to clarify my feeling on dr. fees. Many of them get way to

much for the little they do.

I have a good doc now, have had a great urologist who spent the time with me,

and had a great pulmonologist who helped me to understand my asthma. Other than

that, there was a truly wonderful bone guy who didn't charge us for our

daughters care after she broke her arm - it was a bad break and required a lot

of futzing around for the specialist, but when I asked his nurse if we could pay

his bill in installments because we had just lost our home in a fire, well, the

good dr. never sent a bill! I never, in my wildest dreams, would have expected

that!

By the same token I have met and had many doctors who I have fired for their

indifference and arrogance, both men and women alike. My current doc I have had

(one and off because of ins. problems) for over 25 years; he might be sceptical

about Armour, but he prescribed it and he listened to me and he gives me what I

want, within reason, lol, and also gave me samples of Advair for my asthma when

I was laid off of my job and still gives me samples because he knows our money

situation is tight. Sorry this was so long!