Re: still wondering where to go from here....

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 13:53:17 GMT Daylight Time, NOVAexeter@...

writes:

The palps of Tuesday and Monday are not evident today

Just checked and my pulse is still fast though not as fast as it has been,

90 when it is usually 80.

Mo

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 14:51:07 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

This happens because the T3 can' get into the cells, it just sits in your

blood and builds there. That is why blood testing will show very high levels,

but you will still have hypothyroid symptoms. I think if you did saliva

testing you would find LOW T3 levels as thyroid must get into the tissues to

show

up in saliva. This is not true of blood levels.

Oh I see Val.

I thought FT3 WAS the measurement of what thyroid hormone was in the cells.

Duh!

What is it a measure of in fact?

Time to consider saliva or even urine. Do you think urine would be as good?

What can I do to recify this situation?

Thanks.

Mo

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 18:16:01 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

where it is unusable to the body at all. Free T3 just measures the T3 in

your blood that Can be (with normal cortisol levels) up taken by the cells for

the tissues and organs to use.

Thanks for that explanation Val.

Is there a solution for me?

Thanks.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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>>If there if insufficient cortisol to get the thyroid into my cells how come

my FT3 is top of the range as we kind of assume it is.<<

This happens because the T3 can' get into the cells, it just sits in your blood

and builds there. That is why blood testing will show very high levels, but you

will still have hypothyroid symptoms. I think if you did saliva testing you

would find LOW T3 levels as thyroid must get into the tissues to show up in

saliva. This is not true of blood levels.

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 18:16:01 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

will just bet up your adrenals till they put out SOMETHING, which when they

are depleted of cortisol, they dump out adrenaline.

Another question Val. How come my adrenals are depleted like this after a

year and a half on Pred and h/c. I am now on 25 mg h.c

Mo

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 19:42:38 GMT Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes

:

Hi Val

Maybe they are not as it sometimes does not show at all till you lower the

meds that they might be able to take up the slack.

So they may not be depleted at all. I see.

Also have you changed your lifestyle at all since you have been on the meds?

Reduced the stresses in your life where your adrenals can handle their job

better? Eating lots of good organic foods and not as much toxic laden stuff?

I have had a LOT of stress sinc e starting the meds, lot of stress full stop

in my life but the last while on meds has been particularly difficult.

My veg is organic and the odd other thing but it is difficult to be able to

afford all organic living on state benefits as you will appreciate. I do spend

more on good food than a lot of people though.

These are the things besides hypo that cause our adrenals to malfunction and

often ALL of them have to be addressed for the healing to begin. Some

people's adrenals are in too bad shape to recover at all. And then SOME folks

also

can have adrenal antibodies where full cortisol replacement could be needed

for life.

How would you know if you had adrenal antibodies, haven't heard of this

before?

Val, I don't know what to do and am very anxious about all of this. I take

on board what you are saying about stresses. What would you do in this

situation? Is there any room for movement in what I am doing with my meds or is

it

all down to reducing stresses?

Pse let me know your thoughts by return if you can possible because I want

to get some clear idea of where to go with this before I go to bed in an hour

or two.

Thanks Val.

Mo

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In a message dated 23/08/2006 20:17:01 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

y the way Mo - this is how my labs look too. and this is what led me to

believe that I had an adrenal issues. my blood tests didn't really reflect how

I

was feeling and others felt it might be an underlying adrenal issue and they

were RIGHT!!

Hi Sammie

Thing is Sammie I had my adrenals tested before I started on Armour so the

adrenal support was in place 18 months ago.

The ASI showed severe adrenal stress and i have been taking adrenal extra

glandulars for a large part of the first year of meds. Working my way up slowly

because I would get palps sometimes even on eighth of a grain. BUT my temps

were low and stable three months ago which pointed to a need for another raise

and NOT adrenal problems so I am confused as to what could have happened in

the last three months to change this situation.

You're on adrenal support now Sammie? What are you taking and is it working

for you?

What's different?

Mo

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Thanks for the great information Val, I was not aware of this regarding T3.

I have a question regarding testosterone levels that is the opposite. I have

been taking troche-sublingual 200mg a day for years and levels have been good. I

went to a new dr. with their own lab and the last 2 results the levels have been

almost non existent. I know this is not possible. I wonder if a saliva test for

testosterone would prove that the hormone is in the tissue but not in the blood,

your thoughts?

wrote:

>>If there if insufficient cortisol to get the thyroid into my cells

how come

my FT3 is top of the range as we kind of assume it is.<<

This happens because the T3 can' get into the cells, it just sits in your blood

and builds there. That is why blood testing will show very high levels, but you

will still have hypothyroid symptoms. I think if you did saliva testing you

would find LOW T3 levels as thyroid must get into the tissues to show up in

saliva. This is not true of blood levels.

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>>I thought FT3 WAS the measurement of what thyroid hormone was in the cells.

Duh!

What is it a measure of in fact?<<

It measures what actual T3 that is in the blood that is UNBOUND and available

for uptake into the cells.In adrenal fatigue, you can have all the thyroid in

the world in your blood and all it will do is irritate the nerves which it is a

in contact with, and cause your adrenals to put out adrenaline as your body

knows it needs adrenal hormones to USE thyroid hormones, and will just bet up

your adrenals till they put out SOMETHING, which when they are depleted of

cortisol, they dump out adrenaline. Thus you still have hypo just as bad as with

NO thyroid circulating in the blood, and you have racing heart, shakes, nausea

from the excess adrenaline in your system.

The difference between Total T3 and Free T3 is the total measures ALL the T3 in

your blood, but much of it can be bound tightly to Estrogens, and proteins where

it is unusable to the body at all. Free T3 just measures the T3 in your blood

that Can be (with normal cortisol levels) up taken by the cells for the tissues

and organs to use.

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>> I wonder if a saliva test for testosterone would prove that the hormone is in

the tissue but not in the blood, your thoughts?<<

In effect it sure sounds correct, but I admit to having very little knowledge of

the sex hormones and how they work. I have in passing reading, read alot about

the accuracy of saliva testing and, by it's nature, it is considered a better

test of tissue levels of all hormones than blood testing.

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by the way Mo - this is how my labs look too. and this is what led me to

believe that I had an adrenal issues. my blood tests didn't really reflect how

I was feeling and others felt it might be an underlying adrenal issue and they

were RIGHT!!

Sammie

wrote:

>>If there if insufficient cortisol to get the thyroid into my cells

how come

my FT3 is top of the range as we kind of assume it is.<<

This happens because the T3 can' get into the cells, it just sits in your blood

and builds there. That is why blood testing will show very high levels, but you

will still have hypothyroid symptoms. I think if you did saliva testing you

would find LOW T3 levels as thyroid must get into the tissues to show up in

saliva. This is not true of blood levels.

--

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>>Thanks for that explanation Val.

Is there a solution for me?<<

Yes stop worrying about your supposed high Free T3! LOL As you took your meds

that AM before the tests I don't feel they were too high at all anyway!

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>>Another question Val. How come my adrenals are depleted like this after a

year and a half on Pred and h/c. I am now on 25 mg h.c<<

Maybe they are not as it sometimes does not show at all till you lower the meds

that they might be able to take up the slack. Also have you changed your

lifestyle at all since you have been on the meds? Reduced the stresses in your

life where your adrenals can handle their job better? Eating lots of good

organic foods and not as much toxic laden stuff? These are the things besides

hypo that cause our adrenals to malfunction and often ALL of them have to be

addressed for the healing to begin. Some people's adrenals are in too bad shape

to recover at all. And then SOME folks also can have adrenal antibodies where

full cortisol replacement could be needed for life.

--

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Isocort didnt work for me at all, except for the first few days where I felt

better. But that went away quickly. I started HC today so we will see how it

goes. But I do feel much better than I did yesterday, so I'm happy!!

If you are in severe adrenal stress, have you thought about taking HC ? Did

you increase your Armour.

I'm sorry that I didn't see this earlier. I often get into my email and see

100 or more messages each day and dont always notice messages directed to me

until I get through them all.

SAMMIE

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 23/08/2006 20:17:01 GMT Daylight Time, jigscam@...

writes:

y the way Mo - this is how my labs look too. and this is what led me to

believe that I had an adrenal issues. my blood tests didn't really reflect how I

was feeling and others felt it might be an underlying adrenal issue and they

were RIGHT!!

Hi Sammie

Thing is Sammie I had my adrenals tested before I started on Armour so the

adrenal support was in place 18 months ago.

The ASI showed severe adrenal stress and i have been taking adrenal extra

glandulars for a large part of the first year of meds. Working my way up slowly

because I would get palps sometimes even on eighth of a grain. BUT my temps

were low and stable three months ago which pointed to a need for another raise

and NOT adrenal problems so I am confused as to what could have happened in

the last three months to change this situation.

You're on adrenal support now Sammie? What are you taking and is it working

for you?

What's different?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services