Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

[Guest guest]

why did i always think sugar cravings was a thyroid symptom and salt cravings

was adrenal? is sugar cravings an adrenal symptom too???

SAMMIE

anewkirk30 wrote:

Okay, I'm trying switching to 5 mg 4 x a day to see if this helps my

adrenals at night. Today is my first day. I noticed that you said

in another post that sugar cravings are adrenal. I have huge sugar

cravings, always have. Could this mean my adrenals are in worse

shape than I thought? My saliva tests showed mild adrenal fatigue,

but maybe it's worse than I realized.

I was having trouble with getting my Armour dose correct and

couldn't get to a dose where I wasn't hyper or hypo. My afternoon

temps show 98.6. They just fall in the evening. Should I stay at

my current Armour dose and hope the change with adrenal support

helps my hypo symptoms? Or should I try raising?

Thanks,

Amy

>

> >>1. Bite the bullet and increase HC to 30 mg (10-10-5-5)and see

what

> happens. It's very important that I know how many days I can try

> this experiment before I risk permanantly suppressing the adrenals.

>

> 2. Drop my morning dose to 5 mg and take 4 doses of 5 mg instead

of

> a 10-5-5. This to allow the ACTH to increase in the morning and

get

> my adrenals going a bit. I was doing 4 doses of 4 in the

beginning,

> but I found that I started feeling effects of low cortisol about 2

> hours or so after the first dose, so I upped it to 10.

>

> 3. Stay on my current dose. Take sea salt 2x a day and vitamin C

> on a consistent basis.<<

>

> OK number 3, you should have been doing all along. Healing your

adrenals requires COMMITMENT. Then TRY changing your doses areound.

What works for one might not work for another, but if you have

already tried the 5-5-5-5 I doubt it will work nowe better than

before. But try it, but only for a month, if thta doesn;t work,

number 1 should be tried.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

>

---------------------------------

Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out.

[Guest guest]

>>why did i always think sugar cravings was a thyroid symptom and salt cravings

was adrenal? is sugar cravings an adrenal symptom too???<<

Sugar AND salt cravings would both be adrenal;. You crave sugar from the

hypoglycemia that low cortisol causes.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I have both of these in the very worst way. I wonder 20 mg a day will

be enough HC for me. I will keep my eyes on my temps to see. I'm

having a late afternoon slump already.

Amy

>

> >>why did i always think sugar cravings was a thyroid symptom and

salt cravings was adrenal? is sugar cravings an adrenal symptom too???

<<

>

> Sugar AND salt cravings would both be adrenal;. You crave sugar from

the hypoglycemia that low cortisol causes.

>

[Guest guest]

Oh this does describe me – have craved salty things all my life………..but

don’t pass up the sugar stuff if it is around – just another symptom of bad

adrenals I guess………I’m so hoping my spit test will show something.

Someone on here mentioned Deltacortril, Sammie maybe???? What is the

difference between that and HC??? I know Isocort is not as strong………

Also is the isocort available without prescription???

--

No virus found in this outgoing message.

Checked by AVG Free Edition.

Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006

[Guest guest]

I crave sugar so much that I can shop and just buy all candy, ice cream,

cokes, etc. This is a huge difference in my eating habits since I was a

person who swam 2 1/2 miles a day among other activities. I always like the

occasional snickers bar and dr. pepper, but this is ridiculous. I put on 8

lbs in the past two weeks and my weight has steadily gone up up up. I used

to weigh 128 at my heaviest, now am 162 and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.

-- Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

Oh this does describe me – have craved salty things all my life………..but

don’t pass up the sugar stuff if it is around – just another symptom of bad

adrenals I guess………I’m so hoping my spit test will show something.

Someone on here mentioned Deltacortril, Sammie maybe???? What is the

difference between that and HC??? I know Isocort is not as strong………

Also is the isocort available without prescription???

--

No virus found in this outgoing message.

Checked by AVG Free Edition.

Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.11.6/428 - Release Date: 8/25/2006

[Guest guest]

>>Someone on here mentioned Deltacortril, Sammie maybe???? What is the

difference between that and HC??? <<

Deltacortril is a name brand of Prednisolone. It is usually in an enteric coated

tablet and is considered stronger than HC.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.<,

enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high protein will

help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal support.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I have tomatoes growing on my deck; I bring them in, a little warm

from the sun, put LOTS of sea salt on them, TO DIE FOR. SO YUMMY!

Somebody said if you really love the taste, than your body probably

needs it. I know mine does. But I do like it on food much better

than in water.

Lynn S.

> >>and still craving sweets and potatoe

> chips.<,

>

> enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high

protein will help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal

support.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I just don't see how I can take any more cortef, I have been on 30 mgs for

months. I do take sea salt and I eat two eggs for breakfast with a high

whey protein drink. Is it possible I have too much cortisol now? My temps

are 98.6 now at half a grain Armour bid.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

>>and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.<,

enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high protein

will help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal support.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

how much sea salt do you take/eat/drink?

SAMMIE

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

I just don't see how I can take any more cortef, I have been on 30 mgs

for

months. I do take sea salt and I eat two eggs for breakfast with a high

whey protein drink. Is it possible I have too much cortisol now? My temps

are 98.6 now at half a grain Armour bid.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

>>and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.<,

enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high protein

will help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal support.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

At least a fourth teaspoon daily. I put it in my water and shake it on my

food.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

>>and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.<,

enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high protein

will help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal support.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

i do that twice a day. maybe doing that would help instead of thinking to raise

your adrenal meds. other folks do 1/2 teaspoon twice a day. and i guess you

need more if you ingest a lot of potassium.

the salt cravings ALWAYS do me in. sometimes i dream about taco bell. hahah.

i got up this morning and threw a new bag of chips away. i do not need to come

home hungry and delve into that!!!

SAMMIE

" C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote:

At least a fourth teaspoon daily. I put it in my water and shake it on

my

food.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

>>and still craving sweets and potatoe

chips.<,

enough sea salt will cure the potato chip cravings and eating high protein

will help alot with the sugar cravings. Also adequate adrenal support.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

It is unlikely you have too much as taking HC will lower your ACTH which

is what tells your adrenals to make cortisol.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Hi Val..

Do you think the sea salt was the major factor in helping you with water

retention? was it after starting the sea salt that you noticed the most

improvement in fluid retention?

thanks

Lainey

a message dated 8/28/2006 7:08:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

On sea salt you could take more... I have been taking 1/2 tsp twice a

day in OJ for about 8 years.

[Guest guest]

On sea salt you could take more... I have been taking 1/2 tsp twice a

day in OJ for about 8 years.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

OK, will try that.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

On sea salt you could take more... I have been taking 1/2 tsp twice a

day in OJ for about 8 years.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

I don't know how to interpret my 24 hour urine test and I don't think my doc

does either. My cortisol was in the normal range but some metabolites were

low.

I wonder if the growth hormone is causing a problem. I feel like giving up.

Something is making me fat and crave sugar.

My urine T3 was normal also. You get a summary but only certain things are

listed as being significant for being low. Testosterone was one and

tetrhydro-desoxycortisol was low, androsterone, etiocholanolone, DHEA, 11

(OH) androsterone, 17 ketosteroids, pregnanediol, pregnanetriol. All of

the above were really really low.

I am totally confused.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

It is unlikely you have too much as taking HC will lower your ACTH which

is what tells your adrenals to make cortisol.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

how reliable is the urine tests though??

can anyone weigh on this?

SAMMIE

--- " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. "

wrote:

> I don't know how to interpret my 24 hour urine test

> and I don't think my doc

> does either. My cortisol was in the normal range

> but some metabolites were

> low.

>

> I wonder if the growth hormone is causing a problem.

> I feel like giving up.

> Something is making me fat and crave sugar.

>

> My urine T3 was normal also. You get a summary but

> only certain things are

> listed as being significant for being low.

> Testosterone was one and

> tetrhydro-desoxycortisol was low, androsterone,

> etiocholanolone, DHEA, 11

> (OH) androsterone, 17 ketosteroids, pregnanediol,

> pregnanetriol. All of

> the above were really really low.

>

> I am totally confused.

>

> -- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC

> dose/sugar cravings

>

> It is unlikely you have too much as taking HC will

> lower your ACTH which

> is what tells your adrenals to make cortisol.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

>

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

>>My urine T3 was normal also. You get a summary but only certain things are

listed as being significant for being low. Testosterone was one and

tetrhydro-desoxycortisol was low, androsterone, etiocholanolone, DHEA, 11

(OH) androsterone, 17 ketosteroids, pregnanediol, pregnanetriol. All of

the above were really really low.<<

I looked up each of the things you are low in , they all are male sex hormones

or their metabolites. Looks like you need testosterone, and badly.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>Do you think the sea salt was the major factor in helping you with water

retention? was it after starting the sea salt that you noticed the most

improvement in fluid retention?<<

It was a combo of the sea salt and increasing Armour, i did both at the same

time but I have since had minor swelling that went away with increasing sea

salt.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val:

I am on testosterone creme.

I am going to the hyperbaric chamber for the next 3 days and hopefully that

will make a difference. My symptoms could be from Lyme.

My temps are back up to normal and I started using my mercury thermometer

since I know the readings will be valid. I might now have s.

There is an endocrinologist in Houston named Arem or something like that who

has a book out on thyroid problems. I have not read the book yet and the

doc is booked for months, but I might go there for testing.

The low etiocholanolone would cause anemia. I also got blood work done last

week that I am waiting on. No one has ever tested my ferritin level or

tested me for thyroid antibodies. I did forget to ask to be checked for

growth hormone antibodies but in all likelihood, my problems are from

destruction of the various glands by Lyme.

-- Re: Re: Advice needed on HC dose/sugar cravings

>>My urine T3 was normal also. You get a summary but only certain things are

listed as being significant for being low. Testosterone was one and

tetrhydro-desoxycortisol was low, androsterone, etiocholanolone, DHEA, 11

(OH) androsterone, 17 ketosteroids, pregnanediol, pregnanetriol. All of

the above were really really low.<<

I looked up each of the things you are low in , they all are male sex

hormones or their metabolites. Looks like you need testosterone, and badly.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/