Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were on it and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you? -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates the antibodies, instead of reducing them. I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. Feel better, SAMMIE emsar14 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain until I see the doc in 10 days? Thanks All! Jen --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Methimazole was a nightmare for me because I was always subclinically HypoT. Methimazole, as you probably know is designed to lower the thyroid, usually associated with Grave's. But I had high Grave's antibodies and the dreaded Grave's eye disease. I had no choice but to go on the methimazole to lower the antibodies and to hopefully help my eye disease. Some folks use PTU, but my doc was partial to methimazole. It's very effective and makes some folks very HypoT quickly, which is why lowering the dose and watching symptoms and labs is so important. I got labs every 6 weeks and called my doc often if I had problems. I did have the itching problem for awhile and this is usually when the dose is too high. My dumb Endo told me to take benadryl, when I simply needed to lower my dose. Duh.... Ironic that you mentioned your cats. I have no idea why cats suffer from Grave's so often - possibly stress?? What dose is your kitty on now? So, yes the side effects were bad because it made me feel even more HypoT - so I had all the typical HypoT symptoms. I found my way around these groups and tried different treatment options - including block/replace which is taking methimazole WITH thyroid replacement - which is very tricky. Eventually I went off the methimazole and stayed on the thyroid replacement. Since then my antibodies went WAY DOWN. So when my new Endo said that she wanted to change me to synthetic T4, with " possibly " T3 since my TSH was so low, I asked her to explain why my antibodies have gone down sooooo much in the last year. She couldn't. Haha. That's why we have to be our own doctors. Who cares about TSH if I feel better AND my antibodies have gone down, right?? SAMMIE " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were on it and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you? -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates the antibodies, instead of reducing them. I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. Feel better, SAMMIE emsar14 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain until I see the doc in 10 days? Thanks All! Jen --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I think with cats the problem is a benign tumor on the thyroid that produces too much T4. The methimazole supposedly mops up the excess thyroid hormone. I had a cat with this for several years but she would not take the methimazole regularly so I had her thyroid tumors removed. Of course the surgeon assured me he could take the parathyroid out and plant it into the neck muscle and it would be fine. Maybe that worked but my cat shortly went into kidney failure, which the surgeon denied had any relation to the thyroid surgery. I brought the cat back again to a different surgeon who told me that of course it caused her kidney failure, she was 19 years old and the high thyroid was likely changing her blood pressure keeping her kidneys working OK. I then started giving my kitty growth hormone shots because it has been shown to rejuvenate the kidney. My doc then yelled that I caused the cat to have an enlarged heart. I was giving her very low dose GH (I have done research on GH at a hospital and have 6 publications and am familiar with the literature and I did not appreciate being blamed for my cat's heart enlarging, when it was likely due to the sudden dramatic change in bp caused by the thyroid failure). I begged the vet to give me some thyroid hormone for my cat because she rapidly gained weight and was obviously hypo. The vet refused. Went to another vet, refused again. I don't know why I did not pursue that but I did get thyroid glandualars from The Vitamin Shoppe. Anyway my cat died a year later. Now I have my favorite cat with the enlarged nodule on both sides of her thyroid and you can believe I will not go the surgery or radiation route but am concerned about toxicity from the methimazole. They want me to have her on 4 times the dose she is on now but I do not do so. I also have her on cortisol according to Dr. Plechner's book on animal allergies, adrenal problems related to cats and dogs. She is doing well. So that is why I asked about the thyroid. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates the antibodies, instead of reducing them. I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. Feel better, SAMMIE emsar14 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain until I see the doc in 10 days? Thanks All! Jen --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 What dose is it now? How much does your cat weigh? Do you get the normal labs - FT4 and FT3? I'm sorry you had to go through all that. But I guess I'm impressed that you had a cat that made it to 19. My dog is 12 and when my vet said she was a senior citizen, I almost fainted. I'm in denial. My dog needs to live forever as far as I'm concerned. SAMMIE " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: I think with cats the problem is a benign tumor on the thyroid that produces too much T4. The methimazole supposedly mops up the excess thyroid hormone. I had a cat with this for several years but she would not take the methimazole regularly so I had her thyroid tumors removed. Of course the surgeon assured me he could take the parathyroid out and plant it into the neck muscle and it would be fine. Maybe that worked but my cat shortly went into kidney failure, which the surgeon denied had any relation to the thyroid surgery. I brought the cat back again to a different surgeon who told me that of course it caused her kidney failure, she was 19 years old and the high thyroid was likely changing her blood pressure keeping her kidneys working OK. I then started giving my kitty growth hormone shots because it has been shown to rejuvenate the kidney. My doc then yelled that I caused the cat to have an enlarged heart. I was giving her very low dose GH (I have done research on GH at a hospital and have 6 publications and am familiar with the literature and I did not appreciate being blamed for my cat's heart enlarging, when it was likely due to the sudden dramatic change in bp caused by the thyroid failure). I begged the vet to give me some thyroid hormone for my cat because she rapidly gained weight and was obviously hypo. The vet refused. Went to another vet, refused again. I don't know why I did not pursue that but I did get thyroid glandualars from The Vitamin Shoppe. Anyway my cat died a year later. Now I have my favorite cat with the enlarged nodule on both sides of her thyroid and you can believe I will not go the surgery or radiation route but am concerned about toxicity from the methimazole. They want me to have her on 4 times the dose she is on now but I do not do so. I also have her on cortisol according to Dr. Plechner's book on animal allergies, adrenal problems related to cats and dogs. She is doing well. So that is why I asked about the thyroid. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates the antibodies, instead of reducing them. I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. Feel better, SAMMIE emsar14 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain until I see the doc in 10 days? 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Cats live a lot longer than dogs. I know what you mean tho. That cat slept on my pillow for 20 years. This current cat is my favorite baby (except for my almost blind feral baby) This cat weighs 10-11 lbs. Her dose is 5 mg twice a day but I can only get 2.5 mgs once or twice a day down her. Plus she gets kitty pred for irritable bowel or food allergies. She is finally lesion free with the pred Of course I give her the lowest dose that brings about the lesion (allergy dermititis) reduction but she often will not take it. I have to be very creative to find ways to hide it, sometimes sandwiched in between beef, ice cream, yogart, etc. Her T4 has been 5.8 on 3 different ocassions with 5.2 considered a bit high. I asked the vet if the T4 was being converted into T3 and if not, why did she need to be medicated. He did not have a clue as to what I was talking about. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates the antibodies, instead of reducing them. I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. Feel better, SAMMIE emsar14 wrote: Hi all, I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain until I see the doc in 10 days? Thanks All! Jen --------------------------------- All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 hahaha. so funny the vet was clueless about your T4/T3 conversion questions..... that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. poor kitty. " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: Recent Activity 13 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Cats have a much higher metabolism than humans, and therefore require higher doses. I had a cat also with Graves. I also could not get him to take his pills. I finally gave up, and just allowed him to live out his life without the constant stress of shoving pills down his throat. He was 15 years old, and I finally had him put down when the tumor got so big he couldn't swallow his foot. Otherwise, he was very happy and content, but he ate more than my dog and drank more too (and therefore filled the litterbox more). Best, Handcrafted Jewelry ~ http://www.ChestnutHillDesigns.com Curly Horse Rescue ~ http://www.CurlyRescue.com ~If you can stay calm, while all around you is chaos...then you probably haven't completely understood the situation.~ ~Flashlights are tubular metal containers for the purpose of storing dead batteries.~ that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 >> that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. << Yes but keep in mind I have a hypothyroid cat that is on 11 grains Armour! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Really? I did not realize that was a high dose. Like I said, I only really get a half pill into her a day. She is only 10 and my favorite so I have to be creative in getting that into her. There is also the consideration that the pred she is on may make the thyroid get into her cells better. No vet seems to have a clue about the situation. And unfortunately it is very common to have hyper in cats. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie hahaha. so funny the vet was clueless about your T4/T3 conversion questions. .... that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. poor kitty. " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: Recent Activity 13 New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Really?? 11 grains for a cat? Did the cat have a thyroidectomy? How did the cat come to be diagnosed as hypo? -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie >> that seems like such a high dose for a little cat considering many humans are on that dose and weigh 20 times as much. << Yes but keep in mind I have a hypothyroid cat that is on 11 grains Armour! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 What is the website for the graves group Thanks Ellen--- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " C. Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: > > I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. My two cats were on it > and one is currently on it. Were there side effects for you? > > -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms > > Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some folks that are post-RAI > that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI can be tricky as your body > adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. > > My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to Armour and that you are > reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably right. This doc doesn't > prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you can't just start out at 2 > grains. I think others can give you a better idea of how to slowly dose up > to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even less at a time. > > The Grave's group is also good because you will have to continually increase > your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs the group and is now on 5 > grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your adrenals as well. Even if they > are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 months or longer because of > the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You also need to carefully > monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are stabilized by being on > the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically RAI actually stimulates > the antibodies, instead of reducing them. > > I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole and quickly went HypoT. I > don't go onto that group very often because I was not HyperT for long. But I > think it can be helpful for you to hear how others have done after RAI. > > Feel better, > > > > SAMMIE > > emsar14 wrote: > Hi all, > > I am new to this group after a referral from the Natural Thyroid > group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 months on Levoxyl > after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major sweats, heart racing, > hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely hyper symptoms. > Per the request of someone on the other group, I did the pupil test > and found that they were very jumpy. I called my doc and found out > that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks (didn't tell me this > when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to isn't sure what to > do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He thinks I should > lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc returns. I asked him > about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I figured he would > say that since he doesn't specialize in natural thyroid. > > Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which may be part of my > problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my dose to 1 grain > until I see the doc in 10 days? > > Thanks All! > Jen > > > --------------------------------- > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done > faster. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 >>Really?? 11 grains for a cat? Did the cat have a thyroidectomy? How did the cat come to be diagnosed as hypo? << Really.. he go diagnosed as I recognized th symptoms and took him to five different vets before one finally listened to me and did the full panel of testing. His T4 was normal! He had almost NO T3. I worked for the vet that finally diagnosed him and BEGGED for the testing in spite of them all telling me that cats dont;t GET hypo! -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and against my wishes gave him the whole 4 way vaccinations. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I wonder if McJefferies would have put your cat on cortisol first! Plechner s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and against my wishes gave him the whole 4 way vaccinations. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 graves_support --- mem_mem_me wrote: > What is the website for the graves group > > Thanks > Ellen--- > > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , > " C. > Mannelli, Ed.D. " wrote: > > > > I did not realize methimazole was used for humans. > My two cats were > on it > > and one is currently on it. Were there side > effects for you? > > > > -- Re: New to Armour- New > symptoms > > > > Are you also on the Grave's group? There are some > folks that are > post-RAI > > that might offer some insight as well. Post - RAI > can be tricky as > your body > > adjusts to life after nuking your thyroid. > > > > My guess is that you needed to slowly switch to > Armour and that you are > > reacting to the T3. Your suspicion is probably > right. This doc doesn't > > prescribe Armour and thus doesn't know that you > can't just start out > at 2 > > grains. I think others can give you a better idea > of how to slowly > dose up > > to 2 grains, usually increasing 1/4 grain or even > less at a time. > > > > The Grave's group is also good because you will > have to continually > increase > > your dose of Armour over the years. Elaine runs > the group and is now > on 5 > > grains or so. And I would keep on eye on your > adrenals as well. Even > if they > > are fine now, they may not be in 2 months or 6 > months or longer > because of > > the damage that RAI does to your thyroid/body. You > also need to > carefully > > monitor your TSI antibodies and make sure they are > stabilized by > being on > > the right dose of thyroid meds because ironically > RAI actually > stimulates > > the antibodies, instead of reducing them. > > > > I also have Grave's, but treated with methimazole > and quickly went > HypoT. I > > don't go onto that group very often because I was > not HyperT for > long. But I > > think it can be helpful for you to hear how others > have done after RAI. > > > > Feel better, > > > > > > > > SAMMIE > > > > emsar14 wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I am new to this group after a referral from the > Natural Thyroid > > group. I have been on Armour for 3 weeks after 8 > months on Levoxyl > > after RAI. 2 days ago I started having major > sweats, heart racing, > > hot, insomnia, trouble breathing, all those lovely > hyper symptoms. > > Per the request of someone on the other group, I > did the pupil test > > and found that they were very jumpy. I called my > doc and found out > > that he is out of the country for 2 more weeks > (didn't tell me this > > when I saw him 3 weeks ago). The doc I spoke to > isn't sure what to > > do, since he doesn't even prescribe Armour. He > thinks I should > > lower my dose from 2 grains to 1 until my doc > returns. I asked him > > about my adrenals and he said he doubted it, but I > figured he would > > say that since he doesn't specialize in natural > thyroid. > > > > Anyway, I was started directly on 2 grains which > may be part of my > > problem. Do you think it will be okay to lower my > dose to 1 grain > > until I see the doc in 10 days? > > > > Thanks All! > > Jen > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > All-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful > email and get things done > > faster. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 I just looked at my cat's lab results. The vet only checked the T4 levels. That must be why I asked him how it would be known whether the T4 was actually converting to T3. I have a friend who gets T4 because she is hyper and they want to suppress her thyroid. So what if it should be the same with the cat? Anyway, that is why I am very conservative with the meds. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie Oh and NO thyroidectomy, this happened right after they neutered him and against my wishes gave him the whole 4 way vaccinations. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2006 Report Share Posted August 25, 2006 In a message dated 26/08/2006 02:52:35 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: Plechner s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats. Plecher I am using to guide me in self-treating my dog. He says the oestrogen will always be out even in male dogs, even in neutered dogs if there is an adrenal problem. I gave my dog cortisol for two weeks and there was absolutely no change at all so I went on to giving him T4 (and dropping the cortisol) and it is now two weeks since I started. My pulse has risen 20 points from approx. 42 and I am watching and waiting for signs of improvement in fearful behaviour. I really thought the cortisol would see the fear off but no, it did not. A lot of vets who specialise in this area, recommend T4 only and think Armour unnecessary as dogs convert well anyway I think it what they are saying. We shall see..... My vet's idea of checking out my dog's fearful behaviour, when I asked for a physical exam, was simply to listen to his heart for 10 seconds and then she declared him OK but needs to be put down because of lack of quality of life! Great huh? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 In a message dated 26/08/2006 11:39:02 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: The multidosing with HC would not be possible with me working. But i can't afford Plechner's protocol of testing. I cannot afford it either Val but it is kind of irrelevant as my vet won't even do a test! As I had no response at all from giving Blondie h/c for two weeks I went straight on to T4. Was that wise? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 In a message dated 26/08/2006 12:22:02 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: How much HC were you giving him? 1/2 mg per 1 lb bodyweight is what Plechner suggests and as Blondie is 55 lbs approx (hard to get him on scales!) I gave him 10 mg am and 10 mg again in the evening. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 In a message dated 26/08/2006 12:57:53 GMT Daylight Time, artisticgroomer@... writes: I think I would have tried Pred on him.. As we know dosing at correct times is important with people I bet it is with animals too. Plechner suggests twice a day for the h/c though Val. Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 >>I wonder if McJefferies would have put your cat on cortisol first! Plechner s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats.<< I put him on Pred first... The multidosing with HC would not be possible with me working. But i can't afford Plechner's protocol of testing. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 How much HC were you giving him? -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 I think I would have tried Pred on him.. As we know dosing at correct times is important with people I bet it is with animals too. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 >>Plechner suggests twice a day for the h/c though Val.<< he also suggests T4 only is all that is needed and I do not agree with this either. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2006 Report Share Posted August 26, 2006 My baby feral cat who is nearly blind from herpes appears fearful much of the time. I don't know how much is startle reflex due to diminishing vision but it seems to have increased the fearful behavior by adding cortisol (pred). I also give her a little Armour but really do not know how much to give her. She has a growth hormone deficiency (she exhibits some dwarfism) and I give her a tad bit of that too. But so far, not even the two specialists have felt testing for endocrine functions is necessary. Did you see an increase in the fearful behavior with the addition of cortisol, in your dog or just no change. -- Re: New to Armour- New symptoms/Sammie In a message dated 26/08/2006 02:52:35 GMT Daylight Time, smann writes: Plechner s book is almost exclusively about cortisol replacement in dogs and cats. Plecher I am using to guide me in self-treating my dog. He says the oestrogen will always be out even in male dogs, even in neutered dogs if there is an adrenal problem. I gave my dog cortisol for two weeks and there was absolutely no change at all so I went on to giving him T4 (and dropping the cortisol) and it is now two weeks since I started. My pulse has risen 20 points from approx. 42 and I am watching and waiting for signs of improvement in fearful behaviour. I really thought the cortisol would see the fear off but no, it did not. A lot of vets who specialise in this area, recommend T4 only and think Armour unnecessary as dogs convert well anyway I think it what they are saying. We shall see..... My vet's idea of checking out my dog's fearful behaviour, when I asked for a physical exam, was simply to listen to his heart for 10 seconds and then she declared him OK but needs to be put down because of lack of quality of life! Great huh? Mo NOVA Counselling & Healing Services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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