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I posted a link to a website that discussed them in fairly lay terms the

other day. Hopefully that will help her.

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The issue is... the chairs are crazy expensive.. which is ok..But then I have to

get up a lot anyways.. etc. My old employer was told he has to accommodate me

but he was under 15 employees. He said he would, but didn't. His partner did

find me a desk that went up and down and that was a help during surgery.. but

now I have trouble standing, as well as sitting.

So for example at school (nursing) I got admitted, and had someone who is a Phd

nurse (and old friend) walk me through disability laws for the school, they have

to accommodate me. (which they are doing). And I remember when I worked in a

school we did accommodate people, for example getting them books with a larger

text etc.

I'm worried if I don't say anything after the offer I will have issues later,

when I find out I have to lift something 100lbs etc.. make sense?

Employers often do not disclose the exact duties of a job. I don't think you can

say anything after you start a position. I didn't say anything and then they

were barking that I had a problem w/ the duct taped chair and computer set up.

Subject: Re: Work questions...

To: tetheredspinalcord

Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2011, 9:05 PM

 

No, you should not disclose your health condition at an interview. It is

not a qualification to work. With that said, you will have to disclose your

condition if it interferes with your work after you start a new job. I do my

best to schedule all my medical appointments outside of business hours to

minimize the impact.

Also, I would recommend investing in an ergonomic chair that you could bring to

work. I am lucky enough to have an employer that was willing to provide an

ergonomic chair. But, I would have bought one if that is what I needed to work.

I try be as accomodating as I can be.

I wish you luck in your job search.

Carol

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> Good Morning everyone,

> I quit my job a few months ago, I will be starting school etc and the position

I chose after my last job was nothing like they said to me. For starters it was

80 cold calls more than I would ever do, and i had a duct taped crappy chair

that gave me back spasms so bad I stayed in bed the whole weekend. We have the

financial means for me to quit so I did.

> But now I am thinking of finding something part time, so I don't sit here

watching TV shows all day.. and rant..

> My last job knew about my condition, and it was an issue. My boss and I were

close, but he did not understand the SEVERE pain aspect.. the getting up and

stretching.. the occasional day off because I worked 50 hours and could not

handle working more. I was kind of the office joke.. and all her pills,

sure they are for pain.. wink wink... Ironically he now has multiple issues

and GETS it now

> Anyways, moving forward.. do I tell the employer? And when? After I get the

offer etc??

> I'm worried if I don't say anything I will wind up in this duct taped chair

situation.. and if I do I will have everyone looking at me funny.

> What is the legal standard here? 

> Thanks

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Schools are generally great when it comes accommodation. Even Emory, which

is not known for its accessibility, was great. It took more work than it

probably takes at most schools, but I eventually got what I needed (except

for the one professor that refused to move his classroom and because it was

an elective, they said he was not required to). But my experience with ODS

(office of disability services) on campus has generally been a positive

one.

Jobs that I have applied for have generally listed all the essential

functions in the advertisement. If the ability to lift " x " lbs is not

listed in the advertisement or discussed in the interview, then if it came

up after you were employed, then I don't think the employer could consider

it an essential function and require you to perform it. Really ... if a job

requires you to do heavy lifting in order to be able to perform the job,

then it would be in the advertisement or discussed in the interview.

Especially if it is 100lbs - I mean, I would think most people can't lift

(let alone carry for any reasonable distance 100lbs). And for a job which

being able to lift this amount of weight (such as EMS, nursing, etc) then

its kind of a known function of the job. The exception to nursing would be

a position as something like a nurse educator, in which case, you would

want to ask if you are ever going to be required to perform the patient

care functions of a RN (say if there was a MCI and all medical staff are

recalled, or something like that). In which case, if they said yes, I would

ask to see the job description for the regular RN position and then assume

that those are also included as essential functions of your position.

Since you mentioned nursing, most RN and LPN positions require the person

to be able to lift a certain amount of weight. Even though it may not be

required regularly (say working in a PCP office), in the event the patient

you are taking back to an exam room needs assistance disrobing or getting

on the exam table, most facilities would expect you to be able to perform

such duties. Another example would be if the patient went into cardiac

arrest. You would likely be expected to help move the patient in order to

perform CPR. Not to mention, much of the medical equipment weighs quite a

bit. O2 tanks are not all that light.

There are several RNs on the list. Hopefully they will chime in further on

this topic.

Fortunately, I think most employers are easier to work with than your

previous one. I mean, if someone has what is considered a desk job, and

cannot sit for long periods of time, then I think the employer might get a

little miffed. I mean, most desk jobs don't specifically list " must be able

to sit for extended periods of time, " but if its a desk job, its kind of a

given. On the other hand, if someone just needs to change from sitting to

standing position, then they are happy to provide an adjustable height

desk. Similarly with the chair issue, most employers want to provide

ergonomically appropriate equipment. Doing so reduces absences and claims

for injury caused by the lack of such devices that are easily and

inexpensively acquired (especially when compared to the cost of an injury

claim). Thus, most employers provide them without too much hassle (if any

at all).

The key when it comes to accommodations is whether it is an essential

function of the position and the reasonableness of the requested

accommodation and how it interferes with performing the essential functions

of the job. For example, if someone gets too fatigued to work a 12+ hour

shift (up to 24 for some services), can't lift 100lbs, or can't run

carrying a ton of equipment, then they're not going to be a paramedic.

Just sayin'.

Check out the website I posted a link to with the EEOC and ADA laws. I also

posted one about when and how to reveal a disability to a potential

employer.

Since your last job, have you been on an interview? If so, how did that go?

Jenn

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> <<SNIP>>

> So for example at school (nursing) I got admitted, and had someone who is

> a Phd nurse (and old friend) walk me through disability laws for the

> school, they have to accommodate me. (which they are doing). And I remember

> when I worked in a school we did accommodate people, for example getting

> them books with a larger text etc.

> I'm worried if I don't say anything after the offer I will have issues

> later, when I find out I have to lift something 100lbs etc.. make sense?

> Employers often do not disclose the exact duties of a job. I don't think

> you can say anything after you start a position. I didn't say anything and

> then they were barking that I had a problem w/ the duct taped chair and

> computer set up.

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I think the lifting stuff has been purposely used by some companies even if the

role does not require it as a barrier for people with disabilities. Possibly

because they are afraid of how we will affect their insurance policies. Sad but

true that this happens. I was asked a similar question this week and I tried to

minimize it (I usually figure ways to complete those tasks in a way that works

for me). Since then I have not heard back from the recruiter.

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Re: Re: Work questions...

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Schools are generally great when it comes accommodation. Even Emory, which

is not known for its accessibility, was great. It took more work than it

probably takes at most schools, but I eventually got what I needed (except

for the one professor that refused to move his classroom and because it was

an elective, they said he was not required to). But my experience with ODS

(office of disability services) on campus has generally been a positive

one.

Jobs that I have applied for have generally listed all the essential

functions in the advertisement. If the ability to lift " x " lbs is not

listed in the advertisement or discussed in the interview, then if it came

up after you were employed, then I don't think the employer could consider

it an essential function and require you to perform it. Really ... if a job

requires you to do heavy lifting in order to be able to perform the job,

then it would be in the advertisement or discussed in the interview.

Especially if it is 100lbs - I mean, I would think most people can't lift

(let alone carry for any reasonable distance 100lbs). And for a job which

being able to lift this amount of weight (such as EMS, nursing, etc) then

its kind of a known function of the job. The exception to nursing would be

a position as something like a nurse educator, in which case, you would

want to ask if you are ever going to be required to perform the patient

care functions of a RN (say if there was a MCI and all medical staff are

recalled, or something like that). In which case, if they said yes, I would

ask to see the job description for the regular RN position and then assume

that those are also included as essential functions of your position.

Since you mentioned nursing, most RN and LPN positions require the person

to be able to lift a certain amount of weight. Even though it may not be

required regularly (say working in a PCP office), in the event the patient

you are taking back to an exam room needs assistance disrobing or getting

on the exam table, most facilities would expect you to be able to perform

such duties. Another example would be if the patient went into cardiac

arrest. You would likely be expected to help move the patient in order to

perform CPR. Not to mention, much of the medical equipment weighs quite a

bit. O2 tanks are not all that light.

There are several RNs on the list. Hopefully they will chime in further on

this topic.

Fortunately, I think most employers are easier to work with than your

previous one. I mean, if someone has what is considered a desk job, and

cannot sit for long periods of time, then I think the employer might get a

little miffed. I mean, most desk jobs don't specifically list " must be able

to sit for extended periods of time, " but if its a desk job, its kind of a

given. On the other hand, if someone just needs to change from sitting to

standing position, then they are happy to provide an adjustable height

desk. Similarly with the chair issue, most employers want to provide

ergonomically appropriate equipment. Doing so reduces absences and claims

for injury caused by the lack of such devices that are easily and

inexpensively acquired (especially when compared to the cost of an injury

claim). Thus, most employers provide them without too much hassle (if any

at all).

The key when it comes to accommodations is whether it is an essential

function of the position and the reasonableness of the requested

accommodation and how it interferes with performing the essential functions

of the job. For example, if someone gets too fatigued to work a 12+ hour

shift (up to 24 for some services), can't lift 100lbs, or can't run

carrying a ton of equipment, then they're not going to be a paramedic.

Just sayin'.

Check out the website I posted a link to with the EEOC and ADA laws. I also

posted one about when and how to reveal a disability to a potential

employer.

Since your last job, have you been on an interview? If so, how did that go?

Jenn

> **

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>

> <<SNIP>>

> So for example at school (nursing) I got admitted, and had someone who is

> a Phd nurse (and old friend) walk me through disability laws for the

> school, they have to accommodate me. (which they are doing). And I remember

> when I worked in a school we did accommodate people, for example getting

> them books with a larger text etc.

> I'm worried if I don't say anything after the offer I will have issues

> later, when I find out I have to lift something 100lbs etc.. make sense?

> Employers often do not disclose the exact duties of a job. I don't think

> you can say anything after you start a position. I didn't say anything and

> then they were barking that I had a problem w/ the duct taped chair and

> computer set up.

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The issue is not lifting in my case :)But I am just saying that most employers

will list things, and even in an interview lie about the job functions. For

example. I have 10 years of sales experience. hundreds of million dollar sales..

so I refuse at this point in my career to make 150 cold calls.. they say

typically its 50 cold, and 50 warm (current).. meanwhile I start a position and

it's 150 COLD!People with minor back conditions were constantly out of work in

that office because they had issues with pain and sitting/ The monitors were not

aligned for a human being, neither were the chairs.To contrast a job I had at a

large hospital, they had people come in and design your work station (I was

laid off), so a woman in our office who had been in a terrible car accident 20

years ago had a custom chair, custom desk etc. You may be right about working

for larger companies.A friend of mine said in their work environment someone

says " my back hurts "

and there's 10 people calling them asking what they can do for them!

As for nursing I have had extensive conversations with nurses who are disabled

(and working), as well as Dr. Frim and his staff. And I am going for it. I want

to work from home.. actually have something lined up (good friend) working from

home/in their office.There are more opportunities than working at a doc office

or hospital. I'm done in 1 year, and transitioning to RN online.

I am doing my CNA course (for the 2nd time- 10 years ago!) and the lifting has

been minimal working in a long term care facility.

Hopefully I can find something part time cause I am bored as hell at home!

Baking like crazy!!!! :)

Heading for my MRI!

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> <<SNIP>>

> So for example at school (nursing) I got admitted, and had someone who is

> a Phd nurse (and old friend) walk me through disability laws for the

> school, they have to accommodate me. (which they are doing). And I remember

> when I worked in a school we did accommodate people, for example getting

> them books with a larger text etc.

> I'm worried if I don't say anything after the offer I will have issues

> later, when I find out I have to lift something 100lbs etc.. make sense?

> Employers often do not disclose the exact duties of a job. I don't think

> you can say anything after you start a position. I didn't say anything and

> then they were barking that I had a problem w/ the duct taped chair and

> computer set up.

>

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