Re: Does it really work?

June 12, 1999

GardenGal,

I don't think every person is completely cured. But taking the supplements do

really improve our health. It really helps me a lot with my thyroid. I have

been taking supplements for a few months now so far I have not had anymore

problems. It is an improvement but not completely healed. I would invest on

those supplements. Without or the others, I wouldn't have been here or

be taking the supplements ... I would have still be sick all the time. I

thank and others for their support and understanding.

Kozy

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Gardengal,

The question is why are we not taking supplement before this happened

to prevent this. The supplements are something that we should all take

everyday of our life to prevent disease, but non of us knew we were going

to be sick so now we have to catch up to get well. The problem lies in

our food it is nutrient deficient because of the over farming and the use

of chemical instead of organic fertilizers. Thus depleting the soil of

essential nutrients for good life!

I have heard that some of the people have gotten well using supplements

and I sure that they will problem ajust there supplements and take them

the rest of there life's to prevent further sickness

gardengal13@... wrote:

I was wondering if or any other member of this group has had blood tests confirming this supplement program really works? Also for those who have been healed, how long before you were able to stop the supplements and remain well? I'm still on the fence and would like to know how many have actually been healed before I invest the time or money required. Thanks.

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June 13, 1999

In a message dated 6/12/99 5:52:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

gardengal13@... writes:

<< I was wondering if or any other member of this group has had blood

tests confirming this supplement program really works? Also for those who

have been healed, how long before you were able to stop the supplements and

remain well? I'm still on the fence and would like to know how many have

actually been healed before I invest the time or money required. Thanks.

>>

Hi Gardengal and Everyone,

Many people in the group who have hyperthyroidism have improved and

some have been able to stop taking antithyroid medications. One member of

the group who had hypothyroidism to the point of being unable to work has

recovered completely, regained her life, found a boyfriend, got married, and

is now pregnant. Hers is a nice success story and I've been trying to get

her to write it to the group, but she is busy enjoying a new life and

probably doesn't want to think about the misery she went through. And I

can't blame her one bit.

Another woman who had hyperthyroidism and was on tapazole has

recovered and now left the group. It looks as though when people recover

they don't want to be reminded of the pain they went through. Also, it's

nice to go out and live life and have fun rather than read about other

people's problems. I can understand this very well.

Here is her story:

Hi and everyone,

I've been waiting a while to write this because I wanted to make sure

everything was going to remain consistent. So far, so good. As of the first

of December I've been off my Tapozole completely with no significant symptoms

of hyperthyroidism. Now and then, I'll get an increase in my pulse at night.

It's usually tied to something I've eaten. I take more cal/mag and I'm

fine. I wanted to let the group know what my supplements are presently -

mainly for information.

In the morning with breakfast which is usually some granola or fruit I

take:

3 mg Copper

1000mg C

25 mg Iron

B-50 Complex

500 mg Cal/Mag Citrate

3 mg Boron

Amerex Ionic Liquid Minerals

Every other day I take 15 mg zinc (I've found through experimentation

this works best for me. This is the one supplement I have to adjust

according to how I feel.) At night before bed I take 6 mg of copper and 3 mg

of boron.

I also take a chewable papaya/pineapple enzyme to make sure I'm digesting

everything better. And I take an extra 1,000 mcg of Biotin for hair health.

My diet consists primarily of salad, fruit, grains (mostly oats and

corn), and beans (all varities). I'm back off dairy products including

cheese. I just do better without them.

I want to thank you, , for all your time and effort. It's really

made a difference for me. I want to let everyone know, particularly new

people to the group, that this has not happened overnight. I pushed the

copper very heavy at first and felt very sick. Even when I felt I had the

right amounts, I didn't feel good for a long time. told me this would

happen so I stuck with it and it has worked. I did a lot of experimentation

with different dosages and times, etc. What I'm doing now is what seems best

for me for now. I had a thyroid panel and an estrogen panel done at

Thanksgiving. Everything was well within range including my estrogen. I

wish I had a baseline on my estrogen because I'm pretty sure it had been low

prior to increasing the boron I was taking. The difference is great. I had

been getting 2-3 day headaches with my menstruation. Also I was having

stronger cramps. All that is gone.

One more comment before I sign off. In reading your e-mail, john, about

temperature. My temperature has always run low, averaging about 97.6

" normally " . It seems like many hypers are saying the same thing -

interesting. Anyway, thanks again!

Terry

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June 15, 1999

Hi all,

I started taking the supplements after being consistently sick with hyper for

approx. 2 1/2 years and taking tapazole. The reason I started doing so much

research was because everyone was recommending either surgery or radiation

and I was scared to do either. I have been taking the supplements for

approx. 2 months (I think) and have not yet had my blood tested but I will

let you all know when I do. So far this has been my response.

My heart rate is still fast, that has not changed. However, I am gaining

weight!!!Not that I want to. And I am eating less than I used to. In

addition, I am only taking tapazole now about every third or fourth day, I

still need the tapazole and by the fourth day I start feeling a little shaky

if I don't keep taking it. In 2 1/2 years I was never able to stop taking

the tapazole everyday, If I did I would get very sick and would lose 10-15

pounds in a months time, but even that wasn't worth how sick I would feel. I

am not sure what is happening right now, but has anyone else with hyper,

started having a weight gain after starting the supplements?

I have to say that in general I am feeling a lot better. I didn't at first

and was losing patience with the vitamins.

The negative aspects that I am experiencing are these. The vitamins are too

much for me. They continue to make me feel nauseous and I have not yet

discovered which vitamins are making me feel this way. So I have started

taking the vitamins every other day, , do you see any problem in doing

this? I also break out on my face and chest more than ever before. I have

read that an excess of vitamins/minerals in your body will come out through

your pores especially in warmer weather. Since I have very sensitive skin to

begin with I believe this to be the case for me and I need to look for ways

to lower the amount of unnecessary vit./min. for me. Any suggestions/Today I

was hit with an awful migraine headache, it was also my first day of

supplementing zinc, Could that be related to migraines, I don't know what the

trigger was.

I have a question for the group. Someone else mentioned needing 3 caps since

becoming hyper, My teeth just ache constantly, No sooner do I recover from

one toothache than I develop another, has anyone else experienced this?

As far as my observations of this disease and healing, it seems to me that

just taking the supplements is not enough. I think that as we are balancing

the nutrients that have been lacking in our diet with vit./min. we should be

researching why these were lacking in our diet in the first place, and trying

to correct the imbalances naturally in our own diets. I for one have had and

still have a very poor diet. I think that eating correctly is key to

recovery. There are many good books on the subject, one I am reading now is

call Healing foods, and is very good, Thanks for your time, I would

appreciate any input, shelley

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Dear ,

Gaining weight is a really good sign, and so is taking the Tapezol every 3rd

or 4th day. That happened to me when I was recovering from Graves. My heart

rate was lower because I was taking Atenol, but soon I was able to get off of

that as well. As you continue to heal, you'll need even less of the

Tapezol--just keep getting your blood levels checked. Many of your other

questions have been answered by in earlier posts, so maybe you should

check the archives (he'll probably answer your questions anyway as soon as he

can). And yes, diet is important-- discusses this in detail in many of

his posts. Try eating lots of broccoli and tofu, which slow the thyroid, and

be sure to nourish your body (knowing you have a poor diet is the first step

to changing it).

Good luck!

Joan

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hi ,

My skin reacts the same way yours does. I sometimes wonder if it is the B.

Vitamins. If I could pinpoint what is causing my skin problems it would be a

God send. I " feel " it is more a hormonal thing then a reaction to the

vitamins. However, one can be allergic to the fillers or additives that may

be used in some brands.

I get nauseous too. What got rid of it for me is this... First of all

MAKE SURE YOU HAVE EATEN! :-) The Zinc, especially, and the Iron will BAM

hit your tummy and make you want to vomit. It goes away within 20 minutes

but phew that hurts. It can also make you feel a tad dizzy.

Now when I say, have just eaten. I mean that literally make sure ZINC is

taken with food. That helps. In fact I do better if I take my vitamins,

etc., at lunch or dinner. That way your belly has been buffered. Make sure

it is a substantial meal not just some fruit or just a cup of coffee. Only

draw back there is that I forget to take them sometimes. Vitamins seem like

such a morning ritual. :-)

Also you may want to try right before bed for some. That way you won't be

worried about feeling sleepy or nauseous after taking them.

--Kathleen

In a message dated 6/15/99 4:47:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Drisczilla@... writes:

<< Hi all,

I started taking the supplements after being consistently sick with hyper

for