Re: Re: What can cause excessive night urination?

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Hi all, Limin and Isa, here, who doesn't post much, but reads often.  One of my children, also, is a bed wetter. All of the enuresis clinics say it is from an improper sleep wave function.  Basically, that our bodies are  constantly going from stage 2-4 sleep during the night and that these kids are stuck at 4 and can't wake up when their bladder is full.  They also say that these kids grow up to be the adults with sleep issues such as sleep apnea. Bed wetting is almost always hereditary.  Some of this makes sense to me, but our bodies are naturally supposed to produce less urine at night - so I am wondering why such volume?

Also, our son was wetting every single night since birth.  At 11 years old, we through away yet another mattress and just got an air mattress that could be wiped down.  Our son wasn't very good at keeping it blown up and would often sleep on a very soft mattress.  During this time we were doing the 'alarm system'.  That got old real fast (especially since I couldn't get back to sleep). Then we purchased him a nice new mattress with super duper water protection.  An instantly, his bed wetting stopped.  And I thought, " back issues " .  But, that could be because he had always had good mattresses before (the air mattress).  And it sadly didn't stop permanently.  He is still wetting a few times a month. 

At his age this is devastating as he wants to go on sleep overs.Isa, if you are in WA, I'd love to know the name of your doc.  I suppose since he is mainstream it would be ok to post.  Was it your doc who insisted on all the labs or you?  Can you find these levels by just checking urine? Just wondering because my son is soooo needle phobic.

Limin can you tell me what you used for: " In our case, supporting kidneys with herbs, replenishing minerals, reducing inflammation in hypothalamus and pituitary, and detoxifying him

over time all have helped greatly.  His levels of ADH (antidiuretic hormone or Vasopressin) have been normalized. "   What herbs, minerals? How did you reduce hypoth and pit. inflammation.  I'm wondering if a pituitary glandular would help?Thank you all.  Sorry for the long post,

 

Isa, Would you allow me to post your below message to a friend on another forum? And if so would you pefer I left your name on or off your message? I found the information very helpful.

Thanks!

Thane

>

> Hello Karin,

> I have the exactly same problem w my boy. He will be 6 soon and all through day and night pees like a horse. He is sleeping w a big huggie and an adult diaper, still the bed is soaked in the morning and the diapers heavy as a rock. I started investigating about it, it is called primary enuresis and is caused by a low production of vasopresin hormone. I found a phantastic pediatric nephrologist who is even willing to understand our alt-medicine stuff and agrees that ASD kids nowadays are physically poisoned and sick, so go figure!!!

> Well, we have done 4 urine and blood analysis for vasopresine concentration and it is indeed low, if the production is below 1100 iu x ml, and UTI has been discarded through at last 2 different urine cultures, x-ray (know we don't like'em, but better than an MRI) to discard a poor condition of the sacral-vertebrae, the child is candidate for a treatment with intranasal desmopresin. It is very expensive and mid-term treatment, but since this is a stablished medical condition, any insurance has to pay for the treatment. This MD said that desmopresin and the elimination of mineral and electrolyte waste through the urine brings significant improvement in cognitive function too, desmopresin stimulates the hypotalamus (we know this is disrupted due to all the toxicity or pathogenesis, chronic inflammation not the least) to slowly increase the production of vasopresin. He said he has treated several ADD, DS and NT kids and that improvement of mental function is a constatnt. The drug is used in an introduction phase, peak level, maintenance level and then wean off phase. I am in the process of getting my final appntmnt to see if we are really going to do this with my kiddo, u know how very reticent we asd moms are about using drugs, but if everything else has failed and the condition is only getting worse, there are not so many choices left. I did the vit k2 protocol for 8 months and though it helped him w presence and awareness, the pipi problem didn't improve a bit.

>

> Hope your child's condition is not this, but anyway, something to consider.

> Blessings

> Isa

>

>

> Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

>

> What can cause excessive night urination?

>

> My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This has happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He is 4 and he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside -- he actually wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to his knees. I have to wash all of his bedding every day.

>

> Any ideas? Thanks.

>

> Caryn

>

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,You can ask your child's pediatrician to order Antidiuretic Hormone (ADH) Profile test with LabCorp. Your insurance, if you have one, will cover the cost. LabCorp test number is 046557. The test includes ADH and osmolality. It might be useful to test urea levels in urine. When the children are at an active detox phase, they also tend to wet the bed, as the bodies are dumping toxic acids or urea. The kidneys naturally do not want to hold on toxins, so they dump regardless day or night. If the results are within the reference range, these tests help to rule out abnormal ADH. If not, then you can seek a specialist accordingly. However, the ADH Profile is for testing serum and plasma, so it requires blood draw.In our case, we use phosphorus, potassium (from coconut water), and Horsetail (rich in silica) to protect kidneys, Young Living Sacred incense oil on spinal cord, the back of neck and behind the ears to reduce brain inflammation, and NutraMedix Babuna to help with quality sleep. To help pineal and pituitary glands, and hypothalamus to function better, be sure to sleep in less EMR/EMF polluted environment (if not possible to be free of EMR/EMF) and complete darkness (avoiding night light, street light, moonlight, etc.) Sleep is an important anti-inflammation process for the body. Melatonin is secreted by the brain in response to complete darkness. We no longer actively chelate metal toxins and mainly support mitochondria to let the cells to their detox job. For mito/detox support, I put drops of DHLA NanoPlex and CoQ-Quinol (both made by Premier Research Labs) in my son's drinking water to let him sip through the day. If you prefer using nutrients from foods, diets to support mitochondrial function, this might be a great cookbook to get:"Minding My Mitochondria" written by Terry L. Wahls, MDhttp://www.amazon.com/Minding-Mitochondria-2nd-progressive-wheelchair/dp/0982175086/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8 & s=books & qid=1284232636 & sr=8-1Limin--http://www.healthbylimin.com/Young Living Distributor # 1111136"Follow those who seek the truth,but flee from those who have found it."-- Unknown originHi all, Limin and Isa, here, who doesn't post much, but reads often. One of my children, also, is a bed wetter. All of the enuresis clinics say it is from an improper sleep wave function. Basically, that our bodies are constantly going from stage 2-4 sleep during the night and that these kids are stuck at 4 and can't wake up when their bladder is full. They also say that these kids grow up to be the adults with sleep issues such as sleep apnea. Bed wetting is almost always hereditary. Some of this makes sense to me, but our bodies are naturally supposed to produce less urine at night - so I am wondering why such volume?Also, our son was wetting every single night since birth. At 11 years old, we through away yet another mattress and just got an air mattress that could be wiped down. Our son wasn't very good at keeping it blown up and would often sleep on a very soft mattress. During this time we were doing the 'alarm system'. That got old real fast (especially since I couldn't get back to sleep). Then we purchased him a nice new mattress with super duper water protection. An instantly, his bed wetting stopped. And I thought, "back issues". But, that could be because he had always had good mattresses before (the air mattress). And it sadly didn't stop permanently. He is still wetting a few times a month. At his age this is devastating as he wants to go on sleep overs.Isa, if you are in WA, I'd love to know the name of your doc. I suppose since he is mainstream it would be ok to post. Was it your doc who insisted on all the labs or you? Can you find these levels by just checking urine? Just wondering because my son is soooo needle phobic.Limin can you tell me what you used for: "In our case, supporting kidneys with herbs, replenishing minerals, reducing inflammation in hypothalamus and pituitary, and detoxifying him over time all have helped greatly. His levels of ADH (antidiuretic hormone or Vasopressin) have been normalized. " What herbs, minerals? How did you reduce hypoth and pit. inflammation. I'm wondering if a pituitary glandular would help?Thank you all. Sorry for the long post, Isa, Would you allow me to post your below message to a friend on another forum? And if so would you pefer I left your name on or off your message? I found the information very helpful. Thanks!Thane>> Hello Karin,> I have the exactly same problem w my boy. He will be 6 soon and all through day and night pees like a horse. He is sleeping w a big huggie and an adult diaper, still the bed is soaked in the morning and the diapers heavy as a rock. I started investigating about it, it is called primary enuresis and is caused by a low production of vasopresin hormone. I found a phantastic pediatric nephrologist who is even willing to understand our alt-medicine stuff and agrees that ASD kids nowadays are physically poisoned and sick, so go figure!!!> Well, we have done 4 urine and blood analysis for vasopresine concentration and it is indeed low, if the production is below 1100 iu x ml, and UTI has been discarded through at last 2 different urine cultures, x-ray (know we don't like'em, but better than an MRI) to discard a poor condition of the sacral-vertebrae, the child is candidate for a treatment with intranasal desmopresin. It is very expensive and mid-term treatment, but since this is a stablished medical condition, any insurance has to pay for the treatment. This MD said that desmopresin and the elimination of mineral and electrolyte waste through the urine brings significant improvement in cognitive function too, desmopresin stimulates the hypotalamus (we know this is disrupted due to all the toxicity or pathogenesis, chronic inflammation not the least) to slowly increase the production of vasopresin. He said he has treated several ADD, DS and NT kids and that improvement of mental function is a constatnt. The drug is used in an introduction phase, peak level, maintenance level and then wean off phase. I am in the process of getting my final appntmnt to see if we are really going to do this with my kiddo, u know how very reticent we asd moms are about using drugs, but if everything else has failed and the condition is only getting worse, there are not so many choices left. I did the vit k2 protocol for 8 months and though it helped him w presence and awareness, the pipi problem didn't improve a bit.> > Hope your child's condition is not this, but anyway, something to consider.> Blessings> Isa> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel> > What can cause excessive night urination?> > My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This has happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He is 4 and he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside -- he actually wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to his knees. I have to wash all of his bedding every day.> > Any ideas? Thanks.> > Caryn>

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Thane,Of course forward along, and please do remove my name. If your friend needs more info, you can contact her w me.BlessingsIsaEnviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de TelcelSender: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 10:44:57 -0000To: <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >ReplyTo: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Subject: Re: What can cause excessive night urination? Isa, Would you allow me to post your below message to a friend on another forum? And if so would you pefer I left your name on or off your message? I found the information very helpful. Thanks!Thane>> Hello Karin,> I have the exactly same problem w my boy. He will be 6 soon and all through day and night pees like a horse. He is sleeping w a big huggie and an adult diaper, still the bed is soaked in the morning and the diapers heavy as a rock. I started investigating about it, it is called primary enuresis and is caused by a low production of vasopresin hormone. I found a phantastic pediatric nephrologist who is even willing to understand our alt-medicine stuff and agrees that ASD kids nowadays are physically poisoned and sick, so go figure!!!> Well, we have done 4 urine and blood analysis for vasopresine concentration and it is indeed low, if the production is below 1100 iu x ml, and UTI has been discarded through at last 2 different urine cultures, x-ray (know we don't like'em, but better than an MRI) to discard a poor condition of the sacral-vertebrae, the child is candidate for a treatment with intranasal desmopresin. It is very expensive and mid-term treatment, but since this is a stablished medical condition, any insurance has to pay for the treatment. This MD said that desmopresin and the elimination of mineral and electrolyte waste through the urine brings significant improvement in cognitive function too, desmopresin stimulates the hypotalamus (we know this is disrupted due to all the toxicity or pathogenesis, chronic inflammation not the least) to slowly increase the production of vasopresin. He said he has treated several ADD, DS and NT kids and that improvement of mental function is a constatnt. The drug is used in an introduction phase, peak level, maintenance level and then wean off phase. I am in the process of getting my final appntmnt to see if we are really going to do this with my kiddo, u know how very reticent we asd moms are about using drugs, but if everything else has failed and the condition is only getting worse, there are not so many choices left. I did the vit k2 protocol for 8 months and though it helped him w presence and awareness, the pipi problem didn't improve a bit.> > Hope your child's condition is not this, but anyway, something to consider.> Blessings> Isa> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel> > What can cause excessive night urination?> > My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This has happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He is 4 and he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside -- he actually wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to his knees. I have to wash all of his bedding every day.> > Any ideas? Thanks.> > Caryn>

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I don't know if I'd say my son has adrenal fatigue because he has never had a dry night.  Not since he was a new born.  But not enough sodium is interesting.

 

Have you checked for adrenal fatigue? Parsley tea helps with that. Oftentimes there is a sodium-potassium imbalance that can cause the body to let go of the water. I think its potassium excess and not enough sodium. Here is a link, is there any fatigue?

http://www.ei-resource.org/articles/chronic-fatigue-syndrome-articles/nutritional-considerations-in-chronic-fatigue-syndrome/

Gayatri

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> > > My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This

> > > has happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He

> > > is 4 and he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside --

> > > he actually wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to

> > > his knees. I have to wash all of his bedding every day.

> > >

> > > Any ideas? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Caryn

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> > >

> > >

> >

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My son has autism, my daughter does not, but my daughter had always worn diaper at night up until last year. I thought it was just a part of growing up for her and would eventually outgrow it. about 2 months after turning 11 she had a playground incident. Nothing came of it, no harm done, but I took her to the emergency room anyway. Just for additional info they checked her blood sugar and she was then diagnosed with Type 1 diabetes. Not long after starting treatment she didn't need the nightime diaper anymore. I guess it can be a symptom of untreated diabetes. I wouldn't wish Type 1 diabetes on anyone!, but ...Just thought I'd share.My autistic son always wakes up wet and he is almost 14, but he isn't diabetic (I check his blood sugar often just in case.) again, just thought I'd share.

I don't think kids ever get their blood sugar checked in regular doctor checkups. They should do that at least at certain ages. Like every few years. But , that's just me....To: BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism Sent: Mon, September 13, 2010 3:13:08 PMSubject: Re: What can cause excessive night urination?

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l am sorry, l live in mexico city, but this MD sees people from around the globe, children in particular, but he has also helped adults. he said primary enuresis can go on for life when not treated, he said he had a patient who recently divorced because he never said to her wife to be that he suffered it, even though he improved under his care, by then the wife had lost trust in him.... cause he was never able to tell her before getting married that he suffered that problem. freaking, uh? l hope you get help from a local md, otherwise consider this: if you have an international insurance policy, exams, tests, physicians fees, are much LESS expensive here than in the USA. l insisted on the tests and he supported me.

one of the first questions he made when writing the kid`s clinical history was: does youor kid snores ???? ( oh yes sir, he snored big time before we removed his adenoids....) but he said snoring and enuresis are very closely related.... and that the dream stages in a person who has enuresis, are indeed wider and deeper than those who don`t.

i have so much more to write about this topic but l have to run now....

blessings

lsa

> > >

> > > Hello Karin,

> > > I have the exactly same problem w my boy. He will be 6 soon and all

> > through day and night pees like a horse. He is sleeping w a big huggie and

> > an adult diaper, still the bed is soaked in the morning and the diapers

> > heavy as a rock. I started investigating about it, it is called primary

> > enuresis and is caused by a low production of vasopresin hormone. I found a

> > phantastic pediatric nephrologist who is even willing to understand our

> > alt-medicine stuff and agrees that ASD kids nowadays are physically poisoned

> > and sick, so go figure!!!

> > > Well, we have done 4 urine and blood analysis for vasopresine

> > concentration and it is indeed low, if the production is below 1100 iu x ml,

> > and UTI has been discarded through at last 2 different urine cultures, x-ray

> > (know we don't like'em, but better than an MRI) to discard a poor condition

> > of the sacral-vertebrae, the child is candidate for a treatment with

> > intranasal desmopresin. It is very expensive and mid-term treatment, but

> > since this is a stablished medical condition, any insurance has to pay for

> > the treatment. This MD said that desmopresin and the elimination of mineral

> > and electrolyte waste through the urine brings significant improvement in

> > cognitive function too, desmopresin stimulates the hypotalamus (we know this

> > is disrupted due to all the toxicity or pathogenesis, chronic inflammation

> > not the least) to slowly increase the production of vasopresin. He said he

> > has treated several ADD, DS and NT kids and that improvement of mental

> > function is a constatnt. The drug is used in an introduction phase, peak

> > level, maintenance level and then wean off phase. I am in the process of

> > getting my final appntmnt to see if we are really going to do this with my

> > kiddo, u know how very reticent we asd moms are about using drugs, but if

> > everything else has failed and the condition is only getting worse, there

> > are not so many choices left. I did the vit k2 protocol for 8 months and

> > though it helped him w presence and awareness, the pipi problem didn't

> > improve a bit.

> > >

> > > Hope your child's condition is not this, but anyway, something to

> > consider.

> > > Blessings

> > > Isa

> > >

> > >

> > > Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

> > >

> > > What can cause excessive

> > night urination?

> > >

> > > My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This

> > has happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He

> > is 4 and he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside --

> > he actually wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to

> > his knees. I have to wash all of his bedding every day.

> > >

> > > Any ideas? Thanks.

> > >

> > > Caryn

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

That would be an easy, cheap fix.  Think I'll try that one first. :-)

 

Hi Caryn, cranberry pills helped alleviate my son's frequent urination problem. We used Natures Herbs cranberry pills.

Jeannine

[Guest guest]

When my son was touching his penis, he had high oxalic acid showing in his organic acid test.  I haven't tested him again since but it seemed to have stop since we started vit. k2. and vit. D.Val

 

Caryn,

We had the same issues, excess urniation in night time, couple of months ago. On top if bet wetting, he was also grabbing his penus all the time, it was so obvious, it was bothering him. But urine work did not show anything. We were on antibacterial and antifungal rotation. I stopped both of them for 2 weeks and the situation got better. He is not wetting the bed anymore. As yo have said, I had to wash his bedding every day, it was that bad. After 2 weeks break, we have already started antibacterial, so far no issues.

Shanthi

>

> I haven't used my dandelion root in a while, but I will break it out again tomorrow. We do use benfothiamine and carnitine, d-mannose, things that I believe to be good for the kidneys.

>

> I have been reviewing my notes and I have increased antibacterials and antifungals this summer -- actually using ketaconazole and also allimed. Any opinions on those increasing urination would be appreciated.

>

> Caryn

>

[Guest guest]

Sherry,

For the hives, have you checked their thyroid? Given your history mentioned

below, your children might have the possibility of an autoimmunity that causes

thyroid gland inflammation. Potassium iodide is said to be thyroid-protective.

Essential fatty acids especially omega-3s improve the efficiency of the thyroid

hormones on the receptor sites. But truly I have not really looked into this.

Misty, if you are reading this, could you share your experience and knowledge on

this subject (thyroid)?

Limin

> Ok Limin,

> I hear you about kidney detox and chronic inflammation. My daughter is nearly

10 and my son 8. Both wear pull-ups. I tried the desmopressin with my daughter

for a month (reluctantly) and it did nothing. I never bothered to try it with my

son. I'm pretty clueless where to start with kidney detox. I know inflammation

is a problem though, especially for my son. The official label the research

immunologist gave us was ideopathic urticaria. (Hives of unknown origin) It's

like duh, I could have told you it was hives and we don't know what's causing

it. How can that be an official Dx. He gets it all over his body nearly once a

day and it is gone within 30 minutes. I have Hashimoto's and did while I was

pregnant, I'm sure, but it was undiagnosed and untreated so them having

inflammatory issues is no shock.

>

> We have been on the SCD diet with almost nothing artificial & no MSG. Been

doing Kefir and homemade yogurt. Before that we were GF/CF with no artificials

for 2 1/2 years. Just trying to clean up our internal environments. We are now

supplementing with Iodine since we are all so deficient for some reason. (Under

dr. supervision). Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Sherry

>

>

>

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>>>

>>> Hello Karin,

>>> I have the exactly same problem w my boy. He will be 6 soon and all through

day

>>> and night pees like a horse. He is sleeping w a big huggie and an adult

diaper,

>>> still the bed is soaked in the morning and the diapers heavy as a rock. I

>>> started investigating about it, it is called primary enuresis and is caused

by a

>>> low production of vasopresin hormone. I found a phantastic pediatric

>>> nephrologist who is even willing to understand our alt-medicine stuff and

agrees

>>> that ASD kids nowadays are physically poisoned and sick, so go figure!!!

>>> Well, we have done 4 urine and blood analysis for vasopresine concentration

and

>>> it is indeed low, if the production is below 1100 iu x ml, and UTI has been

>>> discarded through at last 2 different urine cultures, x-ray (know we don't

>>> like'em, but better than an MRI) to discard a poor condition of the

>>> sacral-vertebrae, the child is candidate for a treatment with intranasal

>>> desmopresin. It is very expensive and mid-term treatment, but since this is

a

>>> stablished medical condition, any insurance has to pay for the treatment.

This

>>> MD said that desmopresin and the elimination of mineral and electrolyte

waste

>>> through the urine brings significant improvement in cognitive function too,

>>> desmopresin stimulates the hypotalamus (we know this is disrupted due to all

the

>>> toxicity or pathogenesis, chronic inflammation not the least) to slowly

increase

>>> the production of vasopresin. He said he has treated several ADD, DS and NT

kids

>>> and that improvement of mental function is a constatnt. The drug is used in

an

>>> introduction phase, peak level, maintenance level and then wean off phase. I

am

>>> in the process of getting my final appntmnt to see if we are really going to

do

>>> this with my kiddo, u know how very reticent we asd moms are about using

drugs,

>>> but if everything else has failed and the condition is only getting worse,

there

>>> are not so many choices left. I did the vit k2 protocol for 8 months and

though

>>> it helped him w presence and awareness, the pipi problem didn't improve a

bit.

>>>

>>> Hope your child's condition is not this, but anyway, something to consider.

>>> Blessings

>>> Isa

>>>

>>>

>>> Enviado desde mi oficina móvil BlackBerry® de Telcel

>> ________________________________

>>

>>> From:Â " Caryn_Reid "

>>> Sender:Â BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

>>> Date:Â Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:19:29 -0000

>>> To:Â <BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism >

>>> ReplyTo:Â BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAutism

>>> Subject:Â What can cause excessive

night

>>> urination?

>>>

>>>

>>> My son has had excessive night urination for a couple of months now. This

has

>>> happened in the past, but never lasted this long. It is really bad. He is 4

and

>>> he pees through a diaper with an adult incontinence pad inside -- he

actually

>>> wakes up at 6 in the morning, soaked from his armpits down to his knees. I

have

>>> to wash all of his bedding every day.

>>>

>>> Any ideas? Thanks.

>>>

>>> Caryn

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>

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