Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy, Muscle testing ...

[Guest guest]

Yes,I have dent's in my nails also very prominent ridges and the half moons are

almost gone.Would really like to learn more about this if anyone has more info.

Shirley

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy,

Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

The length of the nail ,yes.

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy,

Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

And the dent's go across,yep.

What's wrong with them or me?

Shirley

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy,

Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit

if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My

fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not

a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my

body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how

to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were

too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to

them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state..

drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could

actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took

the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and

the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring

a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks! I appreciate that. I've had these for years but then I've been sick for

years,not stay in bed sick,just not good.

Shirley

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin

Therapy, Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first

visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was

not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in

the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first

6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next

to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but..

notice that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs..

the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My

fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving...

not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much

as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight

and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip..

all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my

body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and

how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that

were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to

them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state..

drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my

fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was

an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12

visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper

to flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could

actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she

took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in

my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse

and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of

monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm...

all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

Thank's for the info Zina.I'm beginning to believe that nothing is going to

surprise me when it comes to what hypothyroidism can do to your body.

All of my nails have ridges,5 or 6 have dents.I was told once that it was

because I chewed my nails for 5o years.I quit 3 years ago when my granddaughter

and I went to Kamiah for the Looking Glass PowWow and I did'nt want my relatives

that lived there to see such awful looking nails! Awful habit and I'm glad its

gone,now if I could do that with smoking!!

Shirley

Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy, Muscle

testing ...

Hi Shirley,

When I was hypo, one of my thumbnails had ridges in it. Now that I'm

no longer hypo, the ridges have grown out. As a matter of fact, just

last week I clipped off the last of it. I'm finally seeing some of

the half moons on my pointer fingers and middle fingers coming back,

but not on my other fingers. The moons on my thumbnails never

disappeared.

I had some good links regarding just this subject a few months ago,

but I can't find them. Fingernail malformations are good indicators

that something is wrong in the body. Just from what you've said, I'm

willing to bet its a side effect from being hypo.

Zina

> Yes,I have dent's in my nails also very prominent ridges and the

half moons are almost gone.Would really like to learn more about this

if anyone has more info.

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/2003 10:20:08 AM Central Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> >He did muscle testing to determine if the dose of Armour I was

> >taking was right for me. 3 grains was too much but the 2 grains I

> >am taking is fine.

>

> , tell us about this--it sounds odd. How does one do muscle

> testing to determine if you are on the correct dose of Armour????

> The standard way to know is checking the free's via a blood test.

> Your goal, after being on one dose for at least 5 weeks, is to have

> your free T3 in the upper part of the range.

>

> Janie

>

It is called Kinesiology. The dose of Thyroid hormone is held to the thyroid

itself. Then the surrogate or person being tested raises their arm. If the

muscle is weak, the dose is incorrect. If the muscle is strong, it is correct.

This is not as far fetched as it sounds, really. Kinesiology is very

reliable. It has worked diagnosing my thyroid, adrenals, histamine, candida and

pylori.

I have researched this extensively on the Internet. I have some links below. <A

HREF= " http://www.kinesiologycentral.com/cgi-bin/gate2?~333Cg1kvPEe.9kMy3x3f9KDOC\

xxcD/COOKWtlE/DOCe/Kg1EegOyOGvCE1klty.COM/tlkgCyExcxctgD~d0IxBfo0-cBh6Ixd3htlkVg\

EWxf3 " >

Article</A> <A HREF= " http://www.kinesiologist.us/ " >Wholistic Kinesiologist at

Kinesiologist.US</A> <A HREF= " http://www.kinesiology.net/ " >Kinesiology.Net -

Kinesiology Network</A>

The type of Kin. practiced is as varied as the practioner. This is where one

needs to be careful. Most kinesiologist's are chiropractors now.

I will ask my Primary Poophead for another Free T3 and T4 when I get retested

for TSH.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

topper2@... writes:

> That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all kinds

> of new things we learned every day!

>

> Love these groups and sharing.....

>

> Topper ()

>

Topper,

What was your expereince?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/2003 11:42:09 AM Central Standard Time, usns@...

writes:

> , can you resend those links--they are broken up. This time,

> send them with a space inbetween each one. It helps to get the whole

> thing underlined. If it still comes through broken, we will try to

> copy and paste into the subject line, which works sometimes and

> sometimes it doesn't. I'd like to read all about thyroid testing bia

> muscles.

>

> janie

No problem-here goes! <A

HREF= " http://www.kinesiologycentral.com/cgi-bin/gate2?~333Cg1kvPEe.9kMy3x3f9KDOC\

xxcD/COOKWtlE/DOCe/Kg1EegOyOGvCE1klty.COM/tlkgCyExcxctgD~d0IxBfo0-cBh6Ixd3htlkVg\

EWxf3 " >Article</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.kinesiologist.us/ " >Wholistic Kinesiologist at

Kinesiologist.US</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.kinesiology.net/ " >Kinesiology.Net - Kinesiology Network</A>

<A HREF= " http://www.touch4health.com/ " >TOUCH FOR HEALTH</A>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, can you resend those links--they are broken up. This time,

send them with a space inbetween each one. It helps to get the whole

thing underlined. If it still comes through broken, we will try to

copy and paste into the subject line, which works sometimes and

sometimes it doesn't. I'd like to read all about thyroid testing bia

muscles.

janie

[Guest guest]

That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all kinds

of new things we learned every day!

Love these groups and sharing.....

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 12:13:46 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> It is called Kinesiology. The dose of Thyroid hormone is held to the

> thyroid

> itself. Then the surrogate or person being tested raises their arm.

> If the

> muscle is weak, the dose is incorrect. If the muscle is strong, it

> is correct.

> This is not as far fetched as it sounds, really. Kinesiology is very

>

> reliable. It has worked diagnosing my thyroid, adrenals, histamine,

> candida and

> pylori.

> I have researched this extensively on the Internet. I have some

> links below. <A

>

HREF= " http://www.kinesiologycentral.com/cgi-bin/gate2?~333Cg1kvPEe.9kMy3x

3f9KDOCxxcD/COOKWtlE/DOCe/Kg1EegOyOGvCE1klty.COM/tlkgCyExcxctgD~d0IxBfo0-

cBh6Ixd3htlkVgEWxf3 " >

> Article</A> <A HREF= " http://www.kinesiologist.us/ " >Wholistic

> Kinesiologist at Kinesiologist.US</A> <A

> HREF= " http://www.kinesiology.net/ " >Kinesiology.Net -

> Kinesiology Network</A>

> The type of Kin. practiced is as varied as the practioner. This is

> where one

> needs to be careful. Most kinesiologist's are chiropractors now.

> I will ask my Primary Poophead for another Free T3 and T4 when I get

> retested

> for TSH.

>

[Guest guest]

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/24/2003 5:03:09 PM Central Standard Time,

topper2@... writes:

> After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

> time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

> photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

> plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

> persons involvement in things....

> how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

> increased...etc.

>

> She was just REALLY good.

>

> Topper ()

>

It sounds like you really miss her.

[Guest guest]

I never noticed the half moons in my fingernails were gone until I saw this

posting and checked. Does anyone have any experience with getting dents in your

fingernails? My mom said she looked it up in a medical book and it says when

you are really sick, it can cause denting in your fingernails. Anyone else ever

have this or hear of it?

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy, Muscle

testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

Are your ridges vertical and your dents vertical? That's what I have too.

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy,

Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

I meant to say: Are your ridges vertical and your dents HORIZONTAL!!

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin Therapy,

Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving... not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip.. all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state.. drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm... all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

I have no idea. I know my mom said that the dents are caused from being very

ill. The only other time I had them was when I had my thyroid removed so I am

not sure why I am getting them back, unless it is because I am now severely

hypo. Maybe someone else knows. I will do some research tomorrow!

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin

Therapy, Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit

if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was

not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in

the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to

me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My

fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving...

not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as

a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight

and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip..

all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my

body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how

to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were

too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to

them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state..

drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my

fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could

actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took

the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in

my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and

the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of

monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm...

all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

I have found that the dents are called " Beau's lines " and they are usually

caused from an illness. Still checking on the ridges.

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin

Therapy, Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit

if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was

not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in

the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to

me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My

fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving...

not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as

a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight

and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip..

all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my

body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how

to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were

too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to

them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state..

drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my

fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could

actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took

the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in

my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and

the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of

monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm...

all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

I also found this:

Ridges can appear in the nails either vertically or horizontally. Vertical

ridges indicate poor general health, poor nutrient absorption, and/or iron

deficiency; they may also indicate a kidney disorder. Horizontal ridges may also

appear as a sign of severe stress, either psychological or physical, such as

infection or from disease. Ridges running up and down the nails also indicate a

tendency to develop arthritis.

It also said on that same site that ridges can be a sign of hypothyroidism. I

have never read that anywhere. Has anyone else?

Angie

Re: Re: Heidelberg, Vitamin

Therapy, Muscle testing ...

,

My endo was a teaching endo.. she had asked me during my first visit

if

she could bring her students in to see me... I was hyper which was

not

common, with all the classic text book symptoms and everything in

the

extreme.

She had them feeling my skin (I came in every two weeks the first 6

months), first from a bit of a distance. They were to stand next to

me

and see if they could feel the heat coming off of me... but.. notice

that

I was not sweating as if I'd just had physical exertion.... then

touching

my skin to feel the heat.. but dry skin.... feeling my thighs.. the

muscles twitching... and my upper back and shoulders.... My

fingers...

hands held before me... unable to keep the fingers from moving...

not a

shake.. but like a back and fourth up and down movement.. as much as

a

1/4 inch of movement... while I tried to hold my fingers straight

and

still.

They checked eye lids.. the movement... twitches in my upper lip..

all

kinds of things that had come on to me so gradually that I had not

noticed...... as my body used up the hormones in my tissues and my

body

slowed.. she would point out to them more subtle differences and how

to

watch for those as symptoms of hyper coming on or dosages that were

too

high. As I continued to slow and go hypo.. she also pointed out to

them

the advancing stages and changes as a body goes into hypo state..

drying

of skin and hair.. flax muscles, poor reflexes... skin cool to the

touch... slow blink rates. dry lips, and the half moons on my

fingers

disappearing.

I so much wish that I'd kept a diary of those visits.... she was an

excellent doc.. I only left her when I was downsized and lost my

insurance..... I got me quite an education during those 12 visits...

those students got the whole range of symptoms from extreme hyper to

flat

out hypo in six months, with the same person so that they could

actually

see how it affected that same person through all the changes.

After that I came in once a month for the next six months.. she took

the

time before each exam to talk to me... she even had me bringing in

my

photo album to show her my progress building my solar greenhouse and

the

plants... She said stuff like that was an excellent way of

monitoring a

persons involvement in things....

how well they were reacting to meds as the metabolic rate

increased...etc.

She was just REALLY good.

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 16:11:24 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> In a message dated 8/24/2003 1:25:11 PM Central Standard Time,

> topper2@... writes:

>

> > That's way different than what they did with me..... Hmmmm...

all

> kinds

> > of new things we learned every day!

> >

> > Love these groups and sharing.....

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> Topper,

> What was your expereince?

>

[Guest guest]

Angie,

Someone, a while back, posted a whole list of fingernail things that were

warning signs of illness..... I can't remember which group, though... I

might have saved it.. I'll try to check and post it again....

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:26:03 -0500 " Matt and Angie "

writes:

> I never noticed the half moons in my fingernails were gone until I

> saw this posting and checked. Does anyone have any experience with

> getting dents in your fingernails? My mom said she looked it up in

> a medical book and it says when you are really sick, it can cause

> denting in your fingernails. Anyone else ever have this or hear of

> it?

>

> Angie

[Guest guest]

,

She really cared... unlike ANY doc I ever saw after her....

One jerk told me that it had been my choice to go without meds when I got

laid off and lost insurance. Yeah..... I chose to be so broke that I

could not buy meds and lost my house.... yep... I WANTED to do that!

This is the same doc that had his nurse call me on the phone to let me

know that based on my last labs they would be increasing my dose to 150

mcg per day of Synthroid.... when I told her that I was currently taking

200 and 150 was a decrease, not an increase, she got all confused and

said that she'd have the doc call back... He did.. he said that I had a

shitty attitude and that I should continue on the same dose.

My thought now.... did I need a higher dose and he was just the jerk I

knew him to be and not increase it?

I've found out since then the T4 dosing is based on mcg per pound of body

weight for those with NO thyroid activity... which means that I was

underdosed.

I've said it before... If I ever find a really good doc again, if I ever

choose to see a doc again, I'll give him/her a trophy so that everyone

can see!

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Sun, 24 Aug 2003 23:00:20 EDT susbarb1@... writes:

> It sounds like you really miss her.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shirley,

When I was hypo, one of my thumbnails had ridges in it. Now that I'm

no longer hypo, the ridges have grown out. As a matter of fact, just

last week I clipped off the last of it. I'm finally seeing some of

the half moons on my pointer fingers and middle fingers coming back,

but not on my other fingers. The moons on my thumbnails never

disappeared.

I had some good links regarding just this subject a few months ago,

but I can't find them. Fingernail malformations are good indicators

that something is wrong in the body. Just from what you've said, I'm

willing to bet its a side effect from being hypo.

Zina

> Yes,I have dent's in my nails also very prominent ridges and the

half moons are almost gone.Would really like to learn more about this

if anyone has more info.

> Shirley

[Guest guest]

Zina,

Your moons are coming back!!!! In thirteen years I've not gotten mine

back... (the ones on the thumbs stay) Proof... that I was underdosed for

all those years I was on synthroid!

Oh... and a week or two ago I mentioned that I spotted a couple of leg

hairs.... Well I've got about two dozen on each leg now! On the front of

my calves for most of them... and one sneaking out on the back side of my

right leg just below the knee....

Nope, not thrilled about getting hairy legs.. but thrilled that my

hormone levels are coming back and I'm able to grow hair!

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:51:32 -0000 " thwacksplat "

writes:

> Hi Shirley,

> When I was hypo, one of my thumbnails had ridges in it. Now that I'm

> no longer hypo, the ridges have grown out. As a matter of fact, just

> last week I clipped off the last of it. I'm finally seeing some of

> the half moons on my pointer fingers and middle fingers coming back,

> but not on my other fingers. The moons on my thumbnails never

> disappeared.

> I had some good links regarding just this subject a few months ago,

> but I can't find them. Fingernail malformations are good indicators

> that something is wrong in the body. Just from what you've said, I'm

> willing to bet its a side effect from being hypo.

> Zina

[Guest guest]

Hi Topper,

Yah, after we had that discussion a few weeks ago about moons, I

noticed that I have very small ones coming back on a few of my

fingers. I have no idea if this is an indication that a person is

hypo when the moons disappear, but that is what happend to me! I

love the way you word things. You are so funny about the hairs

returning on your legs. Its a good sign that things are improving.

Way to go!

Zina

> Zina,

>

> Your moons are coming back!!!! In thirteen years I've not gotten

mine

> back... (the ones on the thumbs stay) Proof... that I was

underdosed for

> all those years I was on synthroid!

>

> Oh... and a week or two ago I mentioned that I spotted a couple of

leg

> hairs.... Well I've got about two dozen on each leg now! On the

front of

> my calves for most of them... and one sneaking out on the back side

of my

> right leg just below the knee....

>

> Nope, not thrilled about getting hairy legs.. but thrilled that my

> hormone levels are coming back and I'm able to grow hair!

>

> Topper ()

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

> http://toppertwo.tripod.com

>

> On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:51:32 -0000 " thwacksplat "

> <zinatrotter@b...> writes:

> > Hi Shirley,

> > When I was hypo, one of my thumbnails had ridges in it. Now that

I'm

> > no longer hypo, the ridges have grown out. As a matter of fact,

just

> > last week I clipped off the last of it. I'm finally seeing some

of

> > the half moons on my pointer fingers and middle fingers coming

back,

> > but not on my other fingers. The moons on my thumbnails never

> > disappeared.

> > I had some good links regarding just this subject a few months

ago,

> > but I can't find them. Fingernail malformations are good

indicators

> > that something is wrong in the body. Just from what you've said,

I'm

> > willing to bet its a side effect from being hypo.

>

> > Zina

[Guest guest]

Zina,

Come on... for all the horrid things that we have to share here... and so

many of us shy about some things... somebody just has to jump up and say

" it's " comin' back - don't we?

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 23:09:45 -0000 " thwacksplat "

writes:

> Hi Topper,

>

> Yah, after we had that discussion a few weeks ago about moons, I

> noticed that I have very small ones coming back on a few of my

> fingers. I have no idea if this is an indication that a person is

> hypo when the moons disappear, but that is what happend to me! I

> love the way you word things. You are so funny about the hairs

> returning on your legs. Its a good sign that things are improving.

>

> Way to go!

>

> Zina