Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here and concerned

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> Hospitals and convalescent homes are NOT a good source of diabetic diet

> information. I eat under 30 g. carbs/day and dread the thought of being

> hospitalized for this reason. Many of these facilities don't want you to

> have your BG meter, they feed one lots of carbs, and they think 150 is a

> fine reading for diabetics. It would take me months to recover " normal "

BG

> levels w/o meds, if ever.

>

> Tom the Actuary

>

>

When I was hospitalized about 9 months ago for a flair up of cellulitus I

had my doctor instruct the hospital that I would be in complete charge of my

diabetic care and also I could have my meals brought in if the hospital food

did not meet my requirements. The nurses were a little " huffy " the first few

days but when they saw how good my control was they became curious and when

I left the hospital I had some new friends and possible converts. Appendix B

in Dr. Bernsteins book " Diabetes Solution " shows a draft of a letter on this

subject. With my Dr. a letter was not necessary. JerrySteg

[Guest guest]

Pat, the pork chops are fine, but you need to watch out for Chinese food.

Most of it is thickened with corn starch, sometimes in substantial amounts.

This is a very high carb substance, as bad as sugar. One of the things we

have to do is try to be aware of all the " hidden " carbs.

Tom the Actuary

P.S.: There is no food I like so much that I'm willing to risk giving up my

toes, feet, sight, kidneys, etc. to have it.

[Guest guest]

I just had lunch with a diabetic co-worker and another whose mother is

diabetic. Both insisted that their doctors had told them to keep their

levels around 150, that was just fine.

When will they learn!!?

Robin G.

>

and they think 150 is a

>fine reading for diabetics

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RE: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here and

concerned

> I just had lunch with a diabetic co-worker and another whose mother is

> diabetic. Both insisted that their doctors had told them to keep their

> levels around 150, that was just fine.

>

> When will they learn!!?

>

> Robin G.

>

>

They might already know but it is much easier to tell their patients 150 is

fine and of course it is easier for the patients. Many doctors are lazy and

do not want to be bothered with the problems that a tight control regimen

can cause. This is not just my opinion, I was associated with the medical

profession for some time and was privy to their ways. JerrySteg

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In a message dated 4/6/01 6:07:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

writes:

<< someone said the

instant ones had nothing, but i won't chance it. i

ordered one baking potato (my little town store

delivers), but i'll have half of one, with a little

butter, and no sour cream, one night with a half pork

chop cooked in just water/salt/pepper and a salad.

doesn't sound bad. >>

Have it, dontn be afraid of the fats... esp when cutting way back on

carbs....much research has show that fats are not our enemy.

Sourcream is fine, butter is fine, a whole porkchop is fine, be much more

careful of the carbs... ie potatoes, etc,

Instant potatoes have more carbs than real ones i believe. the only thing

they dont have is taste <G>

[Guest guest]

will know the reasons

> and how to determine

> what works for you. Significant portions of this

> book are available on his

> web site:

> http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

>

> Tom the Actuary

>

thanks. actually, as i realize they have forgotten

to order mom's meds, and done other wonderful things,

i decided to ignore their " one for all " treatment and

am taking list advice. seems lots more intelligence

on this list than there. pat

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> Tom the Actuary

>

> P.S.: There is no food I like so much that I'm

> willing to risk giving up my

> toes, feet, sight, kidneys, etc. to have it.

>

>

me either. i have my grocery list done, and it's

got: rice cakes, cream cheese (fat free), whole wheat

bread (just in case1!), splenda, snackwells (only one

box), cantaloupe, strawberries, lettuce, green pepper,

celery, cuke, spinach, feta cheese (only a little),

diet rite soda, 2 lemons (just to squeeeze over

chicken), some milk (coffee only), pork chops, crab,

steak and chicken.

i will have to go to another market for some vegies,

but they will be zukes and squash and i will stir fry

without sauce (only herbs).

i think my stomach will feel better even if i don't

have diabetes, and you're right, i like my fat little

legs, my beady eyes and my snaggled teeth. pat

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[Guest guest]

Hi, Pat...some Chinese food is okay, some isn't. Watch out for stuff with

sauces -- there's usually sugar in 'em. No fried stuff either, fried makes

BGs go high and stay there for a long time. Stirfries are okay. Skip the

yummy noodles (sorry 'bout that)...

and the rice, of course.

You've got to give up the rice. Or...get a meter, have some rice and watch

your BGs go up. (Or maybe you'll be one of the Lucky Few -- but you won't

know unless you Test). Oops, you said nice. Nice is okay :-) Sure, pork

chops are fine. I buy pork tenderloins, cut 'em up into portions (4-6 oz.)

freeze some and and nuke 'em one portion at a time. . Quick, easy. and

tasty.

In a message dated 01-04-06 10:54:17 EDT, you write:

<<

question: how about chinese food? i'm thinking

quick and easy, and that's better than Mc's or

Dominos when i'm not wanting to cook.

also, can i assume pork chops are ok. i love the

huge, center cut ones. that's like two meals with a

nice salad. pat (thanks again, vicki)

>>

[Guest guest]

This is good, Pat. You're on the right track. No one likes to poke and

usually to newbies the thought of insulin is really scary. But here's the

good news: You do what you have to do. And you get used to it too. (unless

you want blindness, amputated limbs, heart disease, etc.). Three years ago I

never would've believed that I would poke 8 times a day for tests and take

insulin in my abdomen without flinching. Well, here I am doing it and ...

big deal. :-) Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-06 11:02:14 EDT, you write:

<<

i also think i'm getting off my big butt and calling

the doctor to see why i'm not told to test, whether he

thinks the reading was because of my stress the prior

week, or i really do have diabetes that could be

controlled, OR WHAT. after reading the posts, i

realize that the denial, or wondering, or whatever is

worse that just pricking that finger, knowing what's

going on, and then taking care of it. i'm dreading

that part, but i'm guessing having only one leg, or

being blind......... well, off to the nursing home

AFTER i make that call. pat

>>

[Guest guest]

Good to know, JerrySteg. I hope never to be hospitalized (haven't so far)

but luckily my doc is on my side. Also the newsletter " Diabetes Interview "

had a very good article a few months ago titled " How to overcome obstacles in

the Hospital. " It was in the August 2000 issue, which may be online by now.

Their URL is

www.diabetesinterview.com

I think this is the best monthly publication about diabetes. and BTW, our

Dr. Bernstein is on its board and writes for it frequently.

Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-06 13:40:04 EDT, you write:

<<

When I was hospitalized about 9 months ago for a flair up of cellulitus I

had my doctor instruct the hospital that I would be in complete charge of my

diabetic care and also I could have my meals brought in if the hospital food

did not meet my requirements. The nurses were a little " huffy " the first few

days but when they saw how good my control was they became curious and when

I left the hospital I had some new friends and possible converts. Appendix B

in Dr. Bernsteins book " Diabetes Solution " shows a draft of a letter on this

subject. With my Dr. a letter was not necessary. JerrySteg

>>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-06 14:07:32 EDT, you write:

<<

I just had lunch with a diabetic co-worker and another whose mother is

diabetic. Both insisted that their doctors had told them to keep their

levels around 150, that was just fine.

When will they learn!!?

>>

That's really depressing, Robin. 150? Ughhhhh! Over a long period of time,

sure to cause those Awful Complications we're all trying to avoid. Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-06 14:11:03 EDT, you write:

<<

P.S.: There is no food I like so much that I'm willing to risk giving up my

toes, feet, sight, kidneys, etc. to have it. >>

Very good point, Tom. I feel the same -- though I Really Love Food. Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-06 14:42:30 EDT, you write:

<< Many doctors are lazy and

do not want to be bothered with the problems that a tight control regimen

can cause. This is not just my opinion, I was associated with the medical

profession for some time and was privy to their ways. JerrySteg >>

Well, I work in the medical profession too and I don't think we should

doctor-bash...however, internists and even specialists have a lot to keep up

with, diabetes is only one of many diseases they have to deal with. The

reading required by an internist must be phenomenol...and there are only so

many hours in a day. And they are allowed to have a private live too. (smile)

.. So I would think that a lot of their ignorance is simply due to lack of

time. On the other hand, we do have the time -- and the motivation -- to do

the research. I know my own doc is very open minded and willing to listen to

what I've learned off the internet. And seeing my A1Cs, he's perfectly

willing to let me set my own course. I do see him every three months and

keep him posted, tho. Vicki

[Guest guest]

> >>

> Hints on saving carbs.....

> dont get fat free cream cheese or any fat free

> products, their carb content

> is higher.

> get half n half instead of milk for coffee. it

> has less carbs per tbsp.

> Get califlower if you can, cook it well, mash it,

> and treate it like

> potatotes, ie milk, butter, cheese - yummy mashed

> taters.

>

maybe i'll give them away. LOL already on the way.

the mashed potatoes sound good. someone said the

instant ones had nothing, but i won't chance it. i

ordered one baking potato (my little town store

delivers), but i'll have half of one, with a little

butter, and no sour cream, one night with a half pork

chop cooked in just water/salt/pepper and a salad.

doesn't sound bad. pat

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In a message dated 01-04-06 15:24:16 EDT, you write:

<<

i think my stomach will feel better even if i don't

have diabetes, and you're right, i like my fat little

legs, my beady eyes and my snaggled teeth. pat

>>

Sounds good Pat...except for those rice cakes. They may be lowfat but they

probably aren't lowcarb. Check the package. ( Rice Is The Enemy.) Vicki

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-04-06 18:07:46 EDT, you write:

<< one night with a half pork

chop cooked in just water/salt/pepper and a salad.

doesn't sound bad. pat >>

Don't depive yourself, Pat...you can have the whole porkchop...you can even

panfry it if you want to. If you had the meter that would be a good time to

test, before the dinner with the potato and an hour and two hours

after...Vicki

[Guest guest]

> what works for me. I would nix the rice cakes,

> snackwells, strawberries, cantalope; replace fat

> free cream cheese with real cream cheese, milk with

> heavy cream (yes, it has less carbs than milk). For

>

well, i got them delivered, and have two cantaloupes

and two pints of strawberries. but considering i used

to have two croissants at breakfast, guess that's an

improvement. i nixed the milk and got whipping

cream. and they forgot to send the snackwells, so

guess that's good. LOL i really need to snack on

something else, like water. i got hershey's kisses

becasue i was told by someone that when they HAD to

have chocolate, one of those would melt and be a

lonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng treat. i got frozen

sausage, but no bacon. i have oreos, jellybeans and

chocolate chips packaged and ready to go to the

nursing home tomorrow to an aide. and the rest of my

Godiva is bagged. if i can't remember to take it to

someone, i will give it to the possums. LOL or maybe

just treat myself a little. but as of tomorrow,

there will be no sweets, except a little ice cream

left, and i'm thinking " needles " each time i open that

freezer, and it amazingly closes. pat

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--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> This is good, Pat. You're on the right track. No

> one likes to poke and

> usually to newbies the thought of insulin is really

the one thing i tell myself is that as i weave my

baskets, i wound myself constantly. and it's a

pinprick (but with extremely sharp scissors) and

eithre on my leg or finger. and i haven't stopped

weaving. so i just need to get up the courage to go

and get one, and use it. i'm trying to eat sensibly,

and reallllllllly trying to do the finger thing. i'm

such a chicken, and can't convince myself to go by the

thing right now. pat(whap!!!!)

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[Guest guest]

> Sourcream is fine, butter is fine, a whole porkchop

> is fine, be much more

> careful of the carbs... ie potatoes, etc,

> Instant potatoes have more carbs than real ones i

> believe. the only thing

> they dont have is taste <G>

>

that's what i was thinking. i have a box of flakes,

but only to mmake potato bread. LOL nevr got

around to it, but maybe, someday. but i'm working on

the " bread is nasty " mantra. also, " chocolate looks

like other stuff " . also, " man, wonder if those folks

washed their hands before making those croissants. "

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. wonder if it will work? pat

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Pat,

This is just my opinion on your grocery list and what works for me. I would

nix the rice cakes, snackwells, strawberries, cantalope; replace fat free cream

cheese with real cream cheese, milk with heavy cream (yes, it has less carbs

than milk). For snacks I have sugar free gelatin (used sparingly though because

of aspartame), turkey meat, eggs, tuna and cheese. I know this is hard to get

used to if you have been thinking low-fat. I buy turkey breast at the deli and

the girl knows that I want the kind without sugar. I get her to slice a chunk

about 1 - 2 inches thick and then I cut that up. A hard boiled egg makes a

filling snack. Personally, I have hard cheese but have to really limit portions

because it can cause me to get constipated.

I am trying to get away from diet soda (because of aspartame). I buy

unsweetened Kool-Aid and sweeten it with Splenda but am trying to drink water,

water, water.

Also I use butter, but I know a lot of people don't. Read labels. Remember " >1

" g. carb means less than one gram of carb ... BUT that doesn't mean it's ok to

eat unlimited amounts. I always count that as a full gram. I use heavy whipping

cream in my coffee... measure it out ... and count the carbs.

I try to select foods that I know I will like because that is what helps me to

stick to my way of eating. I do eat those big pork chops and find them very

filling.

Eating slowly and chewing thoroughly helps me not to overeat.

BTW, I can't speak for anyone else on this list but I have learned that gum ...

even sugar free... stimulates my appetite. It is the chewing, I am convinced. I

had to give that up about 5 years ago.

I echo what everyone else has said about testing. Test, test, test. Learn what

affects you and what doesn't. Boy can I see how stress definitely makes my bg

go up.

My low-carb experience has been the Atkins diet but I am beginning to modify

that closer to the GO diet. Again, this is my personal experience, but I would

never recommend anyone give up carbs and caffeine at the same time.

grrrrrrrrrrrr headache city as I withdrew. *LOL*

Good luck

[Guest guest]

> Don't depive yourself, Pat...you can have the whole

> porkchop...you can even

> panfry it if you want to. If you had the meter that

> would be a good time to

> test, before the dinner with the potato and an hour

> and two hours

> after...Vicki

>

think i will. and these are huge, without bones, and

2 " thick. LOL i think a half of pork chop won't

deprive me. but i'm starting to think of the " fun "

of trying the machine. and if i find my blood level

is ok, and i don't need it, then i can donate it to

goodwill, or keep it just in case. pat

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Another carb saving hint - 86 the rice cakes.

I couldn't fake DH out with the cauliflower, but I love it, so he eats it

without complaining when I fix it.

Robin G.

>From: GayRghts@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here

>and concerned

>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:14:48 EDT

>

>In a message dated 4/6/01 3:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>mrspan@...

>writes:

>

><< i have my grocery list done, and it's

> got: rice cakes, cream cheese (fat free), whole wheat

> bread (just in case1!), splenda, snackwells (only one

> box), cantaloupe, strawberries, lettuce, green pepper,

> celery, cuke, spinach, feta cheese (only a little),

> diet rite soda, 2 lemons (just to squeeeze over

> chicken), some milk (coffee only), pork chops, crab,

> steak and chicken.

> >>

>Hints on saving carbs.....

>dont get fat free cream cheese or any fat free products, their carb content

>is higher.

>get half n half instead of milk for coffee. it has less carbs per tbsp.

>Get califlower if you can, cook it well, mash it, and treate it like

>potatotes, ie milk, butter, cheese - yummy mashed taters.

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I had a wonderful recipe for the cauliflower that everyone loved and asked me to

bring to parties ... and I have misplaced it! grrrrrrrr. It had cauliflower,

three kinds of cheeses, butter, cream, salt and pepper. I know two of the

cheeses were monterey jack and colby. I also know it was NOT low in fat. But

everyone at the party loved it. I didn't tell anyone that it was " low carb "

(except people I knew who were low-carbing). Just that it was a cauliflower

dish.

Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here

>and concerned

>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 17:14:48 EDT

>

>In a message dated 4/6/01 3:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>mrspan@...

>writes:

>

><< i have my grocery list done, and it's

> got: rice cakes, cream cheese (fat free), whole wheat

> bread (just in case1!), splenda, snackwells (only one

> box), cantaloupe, strawberries, lettuce, green pepper,

> celery, cuke, spinach, feta cheese (only a little),

> diet rite soda, 2 lemons (just to squeeeze over

> chicken), some milk (coffee only), pork chops, crab,

> steak and chicken.

> >>

>Hints on saving carbs.....

>dont get fat free cream cheese or any fat free products, their carb content

>is higher.

>get half n half instead of milk for coffee. it has less carbs per tbsp.

>Get califlower if you can, cook it well, mash it, and treate it like

>potatotes, ie milk, butter, cheese - yummy mashed taters.

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