Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here and concerned

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In a message dated 4/5/01 10:25:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

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<< and trashing the biscuits, sausage and bacon in the fridge. >>

Umm you dont need to get rid of the sausage and bacon.

Just the carbs

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Hi, Pat, you're partway on the right track but if you want really fast

results I'd skip the wheat bread too...watch out, fruits are carby too,

especially citrus...if you've gotta have fruit, strawberries and raspberries

are the lowest carb (but don't eat too many)...the sausage and bacon are

okay, don't toss them. A few weeks without the whites, cereal/grains, rice,

pasta and I guarantee you'll feel like a New Woman! And you won't even miss

'em after a while. Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-05 22:25:45 EDT, you write:

<< ep, i think that's what i mean. i'm noticing that

after my mac and cheese (all i had and was just too

tired to bother), i feel a " low. " i'm getting my

vegies tomorrow, fruits, wheat bread, and trashing the

biscuits, sausage and bacon in the fridge. i want

that energy with spring/summer coming; i want to put

out bluebird houses and try to keep these bluebirds

here; i want to be skinny and feeling good about me;

and i want this monster under control before it

controls me. and i'm betting that maybe in a few

weeks, i won't want chocolate or those nasty things,

and will start thinking healthy. thanks. pat

> >>

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In a message dated 4/5/01 11:48:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

writes:

<< meaning the biscuit part? are eggs ok? tolja i

need to read. LOL

got a buncha recipes from diabetic lists i need to go

thru tonite. just not sure what's allowed and what's

not.

i asked the nursing home tonite what they feed the

diabetics, and they said " same thing. " not tons of

meat; sugarfree puddings and jello; no cake; no white

breads (or not much). i recall breakfast having

eggs, bacon, grits and something. does that sound ok? >>

Most but not all of us have found that we need to elminiate the " whites " ie

breads, potatoes, rice, pasta, from our food plans...

breads includes biscuits, most of us also try to get rid of most grains

for me at least for now, i eat all eggs, meat, cheese, and fish (although i

dont like much fish)

i also eat broccoli, and brusselsprouts, and califlower, and spinach, and

other low carb veggies.

I dont eat fruit or grains, or breads, or potatoes, rice, or pasta.

I'd suggest that you do a trial and error thing, with a lot of blood

testing....

test, then eat test 2 hrs later, then next time you go to eat do the same

thing.

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> how long after starting the " diet " regime (sp??) did

> most folks start seeing a difference in the way they

> felt; i.e., more energy and just seeing life thru

> rosey-a-colored glasses? pat

****Most folks report a few days to a couple of weeks, Pat, if you are

talking about lowering your carbohydrate intake. Part of feeling better is

bg's under better control.

Barb in wCO

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In a message dated 4/6/01 12:58:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

writes:

<< i wasn't told to test YET, and i

will go back in two weeks for them to test me, and

then another " thingie " in three months to see what's

going on. i'm hoping if i'm really good, i won't

need the blood testing at all, and maybe just eating

properly will " cure " me. >>

hmm i'm finding that the testing helps me so much to see how i'm doing, and

what i'm doing....

I'd ask about testing, and really push to get a script to get the stuff so

you could test at home, and start doing it for a bit.

It really helps me a lot.

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>

> ****Most folks report a few days to a couple of

> weeks, Pat, if you are

> talking about lowering your carbohydrate intake.

> Part of feeling better is

> bg's under better control.

>

> Barb in wCO

>

>

yep, i think that's what i mean. i'm noticing that

after my mac and cheese (all i had and was just too

tired to bother), i feel a " low. " i'm getting my

vegies tomorrow, fruits, wheat bread, and trashing the

biscuits, sausage and bacon in the fridge. i want

that energy with spring/summer coming; i want to put

out bluebird houses and try to keep these bluebirds

here; i want to be skinny and feeling good about me;

and i want this monster under control before it

controls me. and i'm betting that maybe in a few

weeks, i won't want chocolate or those nasty things,

and will start thinking healthy. thanks. pat

>

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wendy darling-pan aka pat

http://www.basketsbypat.com

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[Guest guest]

, IMHO don't trash the bacon & sausage. Trash the biscuts & forget the

bread. Most of us who have tried it find that it works.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

>

> << and trashing the biscuits, sausage and bacon in

> the fridge. >>

> Umm you dont need to get rid of the sausage and

> bacon.

> Just the carbs

>

meaning the biscuit part? are eggs ok? tolja i

need to read. LOL

got a buncha recipes from diabetic lists i need to go

thru tonite. just not sure what's allowed and what's

not.

i asked the nursing home tonite what they feed the

diabetics, and they said " same thing. " not tons of

meat; sugarfree puddings and jello; no cake; no white

breads (or not much). i recall breakfast having

eggs, bacon, grits and something. does that sound ok?

pat

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> Hi, Pat, you're partway on the right track but if

> you want really fast

> results I'd skip the wheat bread too...watch out,

> fruits are carby too,

>

sounds pretty good. i was trying to figure out

breakfast, and could not. croissants are out.

muffins are out (at least the ones i have). pancakes,

waffles. LOL so if i can have a few eggs (not

fried or with loads of butter i'm guessing); bacon;

and a fruit salad (cantaloupe, strawberries and maybe

a piece of banana or grape) i think i'll be ok. i'm

thinking in terms of a chicken breast cooked with

wine/lemon/garlic/herbs and maybe broccoli or tomato

or stir fried vegies for lunch; and maybe a huge salad

with tuna or either a greek salad for dinner, a little

feta (but maybe new stuff since i already toss the

other, LOL), or a tiny little ham, or just tons of

vegies, and maybe a spoonful of that ice cream if i

have lots of water, walk and behave the rest of the

day. and carrots for snacks. does that sound

fairly good. pat (thinking it could be worse)

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>

> other low carb veggies.

> I dont eat fruit or grains, or breads, or potatoes,

> rice, or pasta.

> I'd suggest that you do a trial and error thing,

> with a lot of blood

> testing....

> test, then eat test 2 hrs later, then next time you

> go to eat do the same

> thing.

>

thanks, heather. i wasn't told to test YET, and i

will go back in two weeks for them to test me, and

then another " thingie " in three months to see what's

going on. i'm hoping if i'm really good, i won't

need the blood testing at all, and maybe just eating

properly will " cure " me. i'm struggling with the

fact that this is now a lifelong thing, and even tho'

i may be lucky enough to get away with not testing, or

needles, i realize i will at least have to alter my

life some. and considering what the rest of you go

thru, i think i can handle that.

maybe there's a prince charming out there waiting on

his charger until i lose 60 pounds so i'll fit. pat

>

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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Pat,

For me -- testing, testing, testing at first was how I found out what foods were

best for me to eat, and which ones I should avoid. I'm one of the lucky ones who

can eat moderate portions of " white stuff " as long as it's part of a balance

meal, but there are some foods that simply raise my levels too much. Grapes, for

example, for some reason, are something I need to stay away from. I only know

that from testing.

Just my advice, for what it's worth. :-)

Teri

Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here and

concerned

thanks, heather. i wasn't told to test YET, and i

will go back in two weeks for them to test me, and

then another " thingie " in three months to see what's

going on. i'm hoping if i'm really good, i won't

need the blood testing at all, and maybe just eating

properly will " cure " me. i'm struggling with the

fact that this is now a lifelong thing, and even tho'

i may be lucky enough to get away with not testing, or

needles, i realize i will at least have to alter my

life some. and considering what the rest of you go

thru, i think i can handle that.

maybe there's a prince charming out there waiting on

his charger until i lose 60 pounds so i'll fit. pat

>

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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--- Teri wrote:

> Pat,

>

> For me -- testing, testing, testing at first was how

> I found out what foods were best for me to eat, and

>

thanks, teri. it's worth a bunch. i'm confused and a

little perplexed that the doctor did not tell me

anything. i'm guessing (hoping) that he's waiting to

see if it was all the stress from a few weeks ago,

weird meals and a huge sugar intake that week. but

i'm sitting here making out my list, and gonna try

some sauteed spinach with either chicken or tuna on

top and some other health things. i love the hints.

i'm ALMOST getting excited. almost. pat

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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Hang in there, Pat. I remember how confusing and frightening my diagnosis was

two years ago. I really freaked out because my father died at the age of 59 from

untreated diabetic complications. I tested A LOT at first. Once I knew how

different foods affected me, I dropped down to once or twice a day. I'll test

more on days when I don't feel right or I'm really stressed. For me, there's

also a big psychological factor to testing. Testing lets me know NOW how I'm

doing rather than waiting until the doctor runs more tests. I NEED that more

immediate feedback or I worry more about it.

Teri

Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here and

concerned

--- Teri wrote:

> Pat,

>

> For me -- testing, testing, testing at first was how

> I found out what foods were best for me to eat, and

>

thanks, teri. it's worth a bunch. i'm confused and a

little perplexed that the doctor did not tell me

anything. i'm guessing (hoping) that he's waiting to

see if it was all the stress from a few weeks ago,

weird meals and a huge sugar intake that week. but

i'm sitting here making out my list, and gonna try

some sauteed spinach with either chicken or tuna on

top and some other health things. i love the hints.

i'm ALMOST getting excited. almost. pat

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wendy darling-pan aka pat

http://www.basketsbypat.com

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--- Teri wrote:

> Hang in there, Pat. I remember how confusing and

> frightening my diagnosis was two years ago. I really

>

don't know if i'll end up having to test, but mmaybe

he was breaking me in slowly. LOL but i started

thinking about a tuna steak on top of sauteed spinach

or mustard greens; or maybe getting a george forman

grill and cooking some marinated chicken (without

sugar in the marinade) and i'm hoping that will get my

sugar levels at a point that i may be borderline, or

whatever the term, and maybe won't need to test (have

i said this already). i'm scared to death of

needles, but i guess if it comes to that, i'll have no

choice.

i think maybe i'll be relieved in two weeks to know if

i need the testing or not, and just get started on

whatever. pat

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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Hi, Pat, yes, eggs are fine, along with sausage and bacon. Grits -- well,

one cup of cooked white grits has 31+ grams carbs. That's my whole daily

allotment of carbs - in one meal. So I'd forego the grits too.

A great resource is the USDA website. It has many, many foods listed with

calories, carbs, protein, fat, etc. It's easy to use. URL is

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

The nursing home is pretty much on the button, except for their " not tons

of meat " . Meat has protein, which turns to glucose but at a lower and slower

rate. So a reasonable amount of meat -- 4 to 6 oz. -- won't do you as much

harm as carby foods. I strongly suggest you get a scale and weigh out your

food, this helps with portion control. I bought a small battery operated

food scale that weighs in both grams and ounces. Cost about $30.

If you absolutely must have bread, read the labels. Occasionally you can

find bread that is ten carbs or under per slice. I believe Wonder Bread has

a " lite " bread that is okay. And only one slice now! :-) Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-05 23:48:38 EDT, you write:

<<

i asked the nursing home tonite what they feed the

diabetics, and they said " same thing. " not tons of

meat; sugarfree puddings and jello; no cake; no white

breads (or not much). i recall breakfast having

eggs, bacon, grits and something. does that sound ok?

pat >>

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In a message dated 01-04-06 00:51:47 EDT, you write:

<<

sounds pretty good. i was trying to figure out

breakfast, and could not. croissants are out.

muffins are out (at least the ones i have). pancakes,

waffles. LOL >>

Yep, you've got that part right...

<<

so if i can have a few eggs (not

fried or with loads of butter i'm guessing); bacon;

and a fruit salad (cantaloupe, strawberries and maybe

a piece of banana or grape)>>

You can fry 'em in butter if you like. Fruit salad...go to the USDA website

I listed the URL of earlier and check out the fruits. Most of us have given

up bananas and grapes. You could have a LITTLE BIT of strawberries or

cantalope. We're talking a few bites here, Pat. While fruits aren't as

highcarb as grains, cereals, etc., they can do damage. They also are high GI

(see Mendosa link). Lower GI foods work better.

<<

i think i'll be ok. i'm

thinking in terms of a chicken breast cooked with

wine/lemon/garlic/herbs and maybe broccoli or tomato

or stir fried vegies for lunch; and maybe a huge salad

with tuna or either a greek salad for dinner, a little

feta (but maybe new stuff since i already toss the

other, LOL), or a tiny little ham, >>

again, ham is fine! 4-6 ounces even. The rest of it sounds fine.

<<

or just tons of vegies,>>

Tons of nothing is good (except maybe lettuce). Portion size is also very

important. Try using a smaller plate...I use salad plate instead of dinner

size plate. It helps.

>>

and maybe a spoonful of that ice cream if i

have lots of water, walk and behave the rest of the

day. and carrots for snacks. >>

no, no...carrots are one of those root veggies that are pretty high carb.

Also, if they're really good and sweet, they're high GI.

You didn't mention avocados. You can eat them without much problem.They're

not high carb or high GI.

had the right idea...eat and test and eat and test. Write everything

down. Weigh your foods. Pretty soon you'll learn what works for you and what

doesn't.

Good luck! Vicki

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In a message dated 01-04-06 00:57:56 EDT, you write:

<< i wasn't told to test YET, and i

will go back in two weeks for them to test me, and

then another " thingie " in three months to see what's

going on. i'm hoping if i'm really good, i won't

need the blood testing at all, >>

Go out and get a blood glucose meter right away...they aren't terribly

expensive although the strips can run up some,if you're doing frequent

testing. And at this point you absolutely need to do frequent testing. How

will you know how well you're doing if you don't test? Do you want to wait

until you have symptoms, like peripheral neuropathy, (which is very painful)

blurry vision and, with continued high BGs, lots worse stuff which I won't

even go into now?

I think your doc is being pretty cavalier about this, Pat. If you want to

avoid fullblown diabetes, you need to control your BGs now. If it's caught

early enough you may be able to get away with control by diet and exercise

only, as some of the members of this list do. Otherwise you may need meds,

etc.

Get a meter. Test when you get up in the morning, before each meal and one

and two hours afterwards. Write it all down and you may be surprised at the

numbers. What we aim for is as close to normal as possible, i.e. 100. Below

65 is considered hypo and you need to take glucose tabs to correct it.

Anything above 140 isn't good and means you need to modify your diet some

more or may need meds.

Vicki

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wrote:

<<I dont eat fruit or grains, or breads, or potatoes, rice, or pasta.

I'd suggest that you do a trial and error thing, with a lot of blood

testing....

test, then eat test 2 hrs later, then next time you go to eat do the same

thing. >>

I would definately suggest doing the testing and find out what works for you.

Personally, although an apple has about 20 or so carbs, I can eat one and I

don't spike like I would with, say a peice of bread with 20 carbs.

When I first started low carbing, I avoided fruits, mainly because of how

everyone else said they reacted to them, but after seeing for myself how I

react, I find that I can eat fruit.

And actually, I had been told to avoid milk products (some type 1's use milk

to treat lows) but I have found that a cup of cottage cheese (10 carbs) is a

very good snack and yogart (15 carbs) is also good. But, I came to that

conclusion after testing, testing, testing )

D.

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In a message dated 4/6/01 10:54:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

writes:

<< question: how about chinese food? >>

Lots of chinese food is carbs... you can do it, but be careful....

sweet sauces, and thickened sauces, and dumplings, and lo mein, and rice and

wantons are all pretty carby.

Just watch what you choose.

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In a message dated 04/06/2001 1:29:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> Hospitals and convalesant homes are NOT a good source of diabetic diet

> information. I eat under 30 g. carbs/day and dred the thought of being

> hospitalized for this reason. Many of these facilities don't want you to

> have your BG meter, they feed one lots of carbs, and they think 150 is a

> fine reading for diabetics.

You sure got that right!!! When I was in the hospital last july, what a

nightmare!!!

My bg was running 250-300 all the time, I was there over a week.

I got copies of all my medical records of course, and the nurse charted in

nurses notes, diabetes well controlled, LOL

They held my diuretics, and i went into fluid overload, but diuretics would

have made bg higher anyway!!! LOL

They had glucose type IV fluids running, I had a fit over that

I've changed dr's since then and I took a page right out of diabetes solution

and informed them and my lawyer in writing, which is on file at the hosptial

and in my chart at my dr's office, I manage my own dm meds and insulin,

about my diuretics, etc.

Now I have a great dr and she works with me not against me. Took me a while,

fired a few, but it paid off.

carol

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--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> Hi, Pat, yes, eggs are fine, along with sausage and

> bacon. Grits -- well,

> one cup of cooked white grits has 31+ grams carbs.

> That's my whole daily

thanks Vicki. i'm ignoring your warning on grits.

yep,I'm southern. yep, i detest grits. LOL but i

HAVE to have my bread, chocolate, sugar. so this is a

test. i'm eating eggs and bacon now, and sugar in my

coffee (i need to get splenda, right??). i'm going to

Costco soon, and get the Hansen's drinks. and i just

trashed white stuff: biscuits, english muffins, those

neat biscuit w/ bbq meat and cheese on top; my feta

(decided i'd come back to that later).

question: how about chinese food? i'm thinking

quick and easy, and that's better than Mc's or

Dominos when i'm not wanting to cook.

also, can i assume pork chops are ok. i love the

huge, center cut ones. that's like two meals with a

nice salad. pat (thanks again, vicki)

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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> no, no...carrots are one of those root veggies that

> are pretty high carb.

> Also, if they're really good and sweet, they're high

> GI.

>

hate avacados, so that won't work. and some of the

fruits i'm thinking (mangoes, peaches, etc.) may just

not be good. and i think i heard bananas were off

limit.

what i'm trying to do now is rid myself of the bad

stuff and not have any there: chocolate, oreos, etc.

i was eating a few cookies last nite, and realized i

should not be eating them. i think they are going to

the nursing home today for an aide to take to her

children.

i also think i'm getting off my big butt and calling

the doctor to see why i'm not told to test, whether he

thinks the reading was because of my stress the prior

week, or i really do have diabetes that could be

controlled, OR WHAT. after reading the posts, i

realize that the denial, or wondering, or whatever is

worse that just pricking that finger, knowing what's

going on, and then taking care of it. i'm dreading

that part, but i'm guessing having only one leg, or

being blind......... well, off to the nursing home

AFTER i make that call. pat

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http://www.basketsbypat.com

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Most chinese restaurants will do a steamed dish, usually chicken or shrimp

with veggies, no sauce. Just skip the rice, and you'll be fine.

Robin G.

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>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: how long to feeling better? [was:Newbie here

>and concerned

>Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 11:06:08 EDT

>

>In a message dated 4/6/01 10:54:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>mrspan@...

>writes:

>

><< question: how about chinese food? >>

>Lots of chinese food is carbs... you can do it, but be careful....

>sweet sauces, and thickened sauces, and dumplings, and lo mein, and rice

>and

>wantons are all pretty carby.

>Just watch what you choose.

>

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In a message dated 4/6/01 3:24:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mrspan@...

writes:

<< i have my grocery list done, and it's

got: rice cakes, cream cheese (fat free), whole wheat

bread (just in case1!), splenda, snackwells (only one

box), cantaloupe, strawberries, lettuce, green pepper,

celery, cuke, spinach, feta cheese (only a little),

diet rite soda, 2 lemons (just to squeeeze over

chicken), some milk (coffee only), pork chops, crab,

steak and chicken.

>>

Hints on saving carbs.....

dont get fat free cream cheese or any fat free products, their carb content

is higher.

get half n half instead of milk for coffee. it has less carbs per tbsp.

Get califlower if you can, cook it well, mash it, and treate it like

potatotes, ie milk, butter, cheese - yummy mashed taters.

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Pat:

Hospitals and convalesant homes are NOT a good source of diabetic diet

information. I eat under 30 g. carbs/day and dred the thought of being

hospitalized for this reason. Many of these facilities don't want you to

have your BG meter, they feed one lots of carbs, and they think 150 is a

fine reading for diabetics. It would take me months to recover " normal " BG

levels w/o meds, if ever.

By all means, get your own copy of Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solution, a book

by K. Bernstein, M.D. It's the best single book about BG control

for diabetics. You should't be without it. Even if you don't fully follow

his diet recommendations, you will know the reasons and how to determine

what works for you. Significant portions of this book are available on his

web site:

http://www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Tom the Actuary