Re: good numbers

[Guest guest]

<<I thought anything around 120 was GOOD. I

had an 85 one time but the next lowest I have had was 96... most of the time

it runs 110 - 126... somewhere around there.>>

Well....I guess it depends on the person. My goal is to be as low as

possible. That's why I try to stick with a low carb diet instead of the ADA

one. I do not take meds....it is all diet and excercise. I try to shoot for

80's and 90's, but sometimes am higher. My first day of testing, I was 165.

>

> <<So what really is the goal? Will 80 keep us healthy LONGER than 118, for

>

> instance?>>

Yes. The longer you can go without meds, the better....and the lower the bg's

the less damage your body will incur. It's way better to exert control over

your diet than let drugs do it, if possible. I guess eventually, most folks

will go on meds.

>

> Also... how often do we have the A1c?

>

>

Every three months

(wsm311@...)

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[Guest guest]

My doctors, the diabetic specialist, diabetic dietician and material from

the

ADA all said that 70-110 is the range you want to be in. It is preferred to

achieve this naturally through exercise and proper diet but some ppl

need medication as well.

You don't want to go lower than 70 as you are entering a state of

hypoglycemia while higher than 110 is a state of hyperglycemia.

Spyder

minotspyder2@...

[Guest guest]

Shirley,

That's a good question b/c the nurse that was taking care of my

mom while in the hospital on the day that she got discharged

(last Fri) said that the normal range for her was going to be

about 150. Some of her lowest readings during the last few days

were: 109, 132 (that was on Mon), and then earlier in the day I

think that she said the low for the afternoon was 120 or

something like that.

So far she said she felt ok but I know that the last time that

happened she shook a lot. Maybe something is different this

time. It's hard to say.

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personal experiences.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/14/2002 10:36:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sjgrace@... writes:

> I

> thought 80-120 was the goal and I thought anything around 120 was GOOD

Hi Shirley,

I try to keep my bg's in the 80-120 range, but it doesn't always happen. I

prefer not to be on meds so I know I'm not going to stay in the 80-120 range

all the time. If I did, I would not have diabetes. Each individual is

different, each doctor is different. We, the patient, have to decide what we

feel is the best for us and do the best we can. I know it is very confusing

when you keep hearing conflicting reports. Decide what you think is best for

you and go with that. Trying to figure out which report is right will only

cause stress which will increase the bg's. Do the best you can and that is

all that is expected.

I get the HbA1c test every six months.

Eunice

I control diabetes; diabetes does not control me

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2002 1:48:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

sokokl@... writes:

> That's a good question b/c the nurse that was taking care of my

> mom while in the hospital on the day that she got discharged

> (last Fri) said that the normal range for her was going to be

> about 150

Hi Kristy,

It is hard for some people to get low readings now matter how much

meds/insulin they take while others can have low readings without meds.

Diabetes is not a " one size fits all " .

Eunice

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/14/2002 10:57:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

minotspyder2@... writes:

> You don't want to go lower than 70 as you are entering a state of

> hypoglycemia while higher than 110 is a state of hyperglycemia

I'm confused about this statement: If someone stayed at 110 most of the

time, their HbA1c would be 5.89 which is in the normal range.

Eunice

[Guest guest]

> I try to keep my bg's in the 80-120 range, but it doesn't always happen. I

> prefer not to be on meds so I know I'm not going to stay in the 80-120

> range

> all the time. If I did, I would not have diabetes.

>

I wish that were true!! As long as I eat low carb, I can stay in that range.

If I eat a potato, bunch of rice or bread, it zooms up above that. I am just

a diabetic with controlled bg. It all depends on what goes in the mouth and

how much excercise I get ;-)

(wsm311@...)

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Vermont

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[Guest guest]

> Their staff monitors those

> boards and has stated, in the past, that they try to make their

> goals attainable for the average person.

>

Yes, it's nice not to feel discouraged, but I would rather have to deal with

the cold hard facts than to have someone try to soothe my psyche. The truth

is that the better control we have in our situation, the better off we will

be in the long run. We should strive to be closest to the numbers of

non-diabetics. That takes a lot of work and a change in food choices.

Obviously we can no longer eat the way we did when we became diabetic. I like

a challenge ;-)

(wsm311@...)

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Vermont

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[Guest guest]

Shirley:

Here are the goals recommended by the Joslin Center:

http://www.joslin.org/education/library/wbggoal.shtml

I belong to Joslin's discussion boards. Their staff monitors those

boards and has stated, in the past, that they try to make their

goals attainable for the average person.

Hope this helps.

Carol W.

________________________________________________________________

> I talked to a friend tonite who is on diabetes meds... three to be

exact and

> she was 78 after dinner tonite. She said that her doctor told her

80 was a

> great number to be and that was their maintenance goal. I'm

confused. I

> thought 80-120 was the goal and I thought anything around 120 was

GOOD. I

> had an 85 one time but the next lowest I have had was 96... most

of the time

> it runs 110 - 126... somewhere around there.

>

> So what really is the goal? Will 80 keep us healthy LONGER than

118, for

> instance?

>

> Also... how often do we have the A1c?

>

> Shirley

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2002 1:46:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sokokl@... writes:

> There's so much to

> understand about all of this that's for sur

Hi Kristy,

Anytime you have questions, don't hesitate to ask. That is the reason for

this list.

Eunice

[Guest guest]

Eunice,

Thanks so much for your help with this. There's so much to

understand about all of this that's for sure.

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learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as well as sharing my own

personal experiences.

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[Guest guest]

<< My doctors, the diabetic specialist, diabetic dietician and material

from the

ADA all said that 70-110 is the range you want to be in. It is preferred to

achieve this naturally through exercise and proper diet but some ppl

need medication as well.

You don't want to go lower than 70 as you are entering a state of

hypoglycemia while higher than 110 is a state of hyperglycemia.

>>

I think my mom's doctor gave her a different range she has been under 100 for

the pass few mornings (even with having rice last night - Beef Bowl)

My mom's daughter - Andreia

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[Guest guest]

Eunice,

Thanks so much. I just hope that I won't have to ask the same

questions more than once.

Now this is to everyone on the list. How many of you are Type 2

Diabetic?

What meds are you all on? When were you all diagnosed? How

many calories a day do you all eat? How long did it take you

all to accept that this was something that was a part of your

life and were willing to make the commitment to care for it?

Acceptance is still a big problem for mom even though she's

starting to come around a little bit.

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Hoping to be a nurse soon but for now just a Medical Secretary who does a lot of

learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as well as sharing my own

personal experiences.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2002 4:07:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

sokokl@... writes:

> How many of you are Type 2

> Diabetic?

>

> What meds are you all on? When were you all diagnosed? How

> many calories a day do you all eat? How long did it take you

> all to accept that this was something that was a part of your

> life and were willing to make the commitment to care for it?

>

Hi Kristy,

I am type 2 diagnosed in the summer of 1999. I started taking Glyburide, but

did not take diabetes as serious as I should have. In Aug/Sept 2000, I got

serious about it, so I changed my eating habits and started exercising more.

In Feb, 2001, I was able to discontinue meds. I don't count calories or

carbs. I eat basically what I want, but in smaller portions. I eat my

higher carbs when I know I'm going to be active which is usually breakfast

and lunch. I don't want to be exercising after dinner, so I eat less carbs.

I test twice a day, most of the time. I know what works for me will not work

for everyone. Each of us has to find a plan that works. The goal for each

of us should be to keep our bg's normal.

Eunice

type 2 - sensible eating, exercise/positive attitude/Faith in God

[Guest guest]

I agree that a challenge is good. In fact, since Jan. 2001, I have been able

to bring my hba1c reading down from 8.0 to 5.9 (taken in late April 2002) by

following a low carb regime. I am physically unable to exercise so I have

done this with diet control alone.

I think the thinking on the part of the Joslin staff is that making goals

totally unattainable can be discouraging and discouraged patients will give

up over time. It's like every other facet of this disease: How closely we

approach non diabetic numbers is an individual choice, or more accurately,

an issue between the individual and his/her doctor.

Just one person's opinion!

Carol W.

________________________________________________________________

> We should strive to be closest to the numbers of non-diabetics. That

takes a lot of work and a change in food choices. Obviously we can no longer

eat the way we did when we became diabetic. I like a challenge ;-)

[Guest guest]

Eunice:

My doctor took the same approach. When my a1c was 8.0, he gave me three

months to get it down on my own before he prescribed meds. Three months

later it was 7.3 and he was thrilled. Every time I saw him it came down more

and he was more and more satisfied.

I guess we're both lucky to have found doctors like this. By the way, my PCP

was selected as one of the top 10 doctors in Las Vegas. The selection was

done by local specialists rating PCP's and the PCP's rating the specialists.

Here is part of the article. That's my doctor on the cover. I'm so proud!

http://www.lvlife.com/jun2002/

Carol W.

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> Hi Carol,

> And I believe this is the thoughts of the ADA staff also. Another thought

I

> just had. When my HbA1c was 7.4, my doctor discontinued my meds and

waited 4

> months before doing another A1c test. She praised me for what I was

trying

> to accomplish. She never told me I had to do better. I think doctors

play a

> big role in how well you handle diabetes or any other disease/illness. If

> doctors don't care about their patients, some of the patients are not

going

> to care about their health. I know in both of my situations, my doctors

have

> helped me tremendously by their caring, concern and understanding. They

are

> always there when I need them.

>

> Eunice

> > I think the thinking on the part of the Joslin staff is that making

goals

> > totally unattainable can be discouraging and discouraged patients will

give

> > up over time.

[Guest guest]

My mom was given a different range for her norm as well. The

norm that they said is for her should be around 150 but

sometimes in the afternoon she has gone lower and as far as I

know she feels ok physically but she is not going to be able to

make her blood sugars go in to that range of 70-110 all the

time.

Is there anyone else that has a higher number for what is

supposed to be a norm for them?

P.S. It was me who sent the article about the Brewer's yeast.

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learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as well as sharing my own

personal experiences.

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[Guest guest]

The target range for everyone differs based on doctor's opinion, the

person's ability to exercise, the medications that they are on, etc,

etc. I like to keep mine under 120. The closer the reading to that

of a non-diabetic the better. But 70-120 (which is the general range

most people agree upon) is such a narrow range that it is difficult

to hit it all the time. I also like to keep it under around 170.

Over that, the body starts filtering out the extra sugar through the

kidneys which can cause damage. So I have a few different things to

strive for. If I know that I've been under a lot of stress, illness,

etc., I know that there is probably no way that my sugar will be in

the 70-120 range. So I have to adjust my range to keeping it under

170. By doing this, it helps me to get less discouraged when things

come up out of my control (stress, illness). I also look at what my

average control is. It's great that my meter, based on my testings

I've done, can do a 7 and 14 day average. Just my two cents worth...

Kaci

--- Kristy Sokoloski wrote:

> My mom was given a different range for her norm as well. The

> norm that they said is for her should be around 150 but

> sometimes in the afternoon she has gone lower and as far as I

> know she feels ok physically but she is not going to be able to

> make her blood sugars go in to that range of 70-110 all the

> time.

>

> Is there anyone else that has a higher number for what is

> supposed to be a norm for them?

>

> P.S. It was me who sent the article about the Brewer's yeast.

>

>

>

>

>

>

> =====

> Kristy

>

>

> http://www.geocities.com/sokokl/kristyspersonalpage.html

>

> Hoping to be a nurse soon but for now just a Medical Secretary who

> does a lot of learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as

> well as sharing my own personal experiences.

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2002 6:37:40 PM Pacific Standard Time,

ERWachter@... writes:

> > How many of you are Type 2

> > Diabetic?

> >

>

My mother is Type 2 and was diagnosed May 2002. She is taking Glyburide.

She started at 2.5 then the doctor moved her to 5 mg and now back to 2.5 mg

If you want something different, you have to do something different.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/15/2002 1:07:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,

sokokl@... writes:

> How

> many calories a day do you all eat? How long did it take you

> all to accept that this was something that was a part of your

> life and were willing to make the commitment to care for it?

>

My mom doesn't keep track of calories....yet. I can't speak for her but I

think it took her about a week (the date of her followup when I went along)

the next day she was at the library getting books and I was on the web

getting information. I think telling my son and talking to her " sister " that

day (who is also Type2) brought it home.

Andreia ('s Daughter)

If you want something different, you have to do something different.

The Sins of the Fathers are visited up on the heads of their Children - but

only if the children continue in the evil deeds of the fathers - Eldridge

Cleaver, Soul on Ice, 1968

[Guest guest]

Mine are always higher than the people on the lists say theirs are. So I

must be the most unusual person in the world. They are ususally 180 in the

morning and 130 before dinner, never at 80 or 100. My A1C was 6.5 so the

doctor was happy, but the endo said mine might never be lower unless I

injected insulin, which then has another list of problems. You seem to be at

risk no matter what you do.

Phyllis N

>>My mom was given a different range for her norm as well. The

>norm that they said is for her should be around 150 but

>sometimes in the afternoon she has gone lower and as far as I

>know she feels ok physically but she is not going to be able to

>make her blood sugars go in to that range of 70-110 all the

>time.

>

>Is there anyone else that has a higher number for what is

>supposed to be a norm for them?

>

>P.S. It was me who sent the article about the Brewer's yeast.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>=====

>Kristy

>

>

>http://www.geocities.com/sokokl/kristyspersonalpage.html

>

>Hoping to be a nurse soon but for now just a Medical Secretary who does a

>lot of learning from reading on the Net, books, my dr(s), as well as

>sharing my own personal experiences.

>

>__________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/2002 8:18:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

vmmasell@... writes:

> Mom's cancer is in TOTAL remission now.

>

Hi Ann,

Great to hear from you again. I am so happy for your mom. Give her a big

hug for me. She has been through so much.

Hugs

Eunice

[Guest guest]

> > I

> > thought 80-120 was the goal and I thought anything around 120 was

GOOD

>

> Hi Shirley,

> I try to keep my bg's in the 80-120 range, but it doesn't always

happen. I

> prefer not to be on meds so I know I'm not going to stay in the 80-

120 range

> all the time. If I did, I would not have diabetes. Each

individual is

> different, each doctor is different. We, the patient, have to

decide what we

> feel is the best for us and do the best we can. I know it is very

confusing

> when you keep hearing conflicting reports. Decide what you think

is best for

> you and go with that. Trying to figure out which report is right

will only

> cause stress which will increase the bg's. Do the best you can and

that is

> all that is expected.

>

> I get the HbA1c test every six months.

>

> Eunice

> I control diabetes; diabetes does not control me

>

I also try to keep strict control but I try to stay between 100 and

140 the old diabetic " ideal " range. My Dr. likes me under 200 and my

health educator under 150 -- for me if I get under 100 I get the

shakes a bit. My 30 day average is 131 with accu check. The highest

reading was 158 and I have basically quit walking on the treadmill so

the numbers are being controlled strictly by what I eat.

I find chicken for dinner produces great #'s -- had chicken egg fu

yung tonite and was 125. Healthy Choice ice cream does not cause any

increase in #'s either.

Hello to all nice to be here again.

Ann

PS -- Mom's cancer is in TOTAL remission now.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/20/2002 5:18:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,

vmmasell@... writes:

>

> PS -- Mom's cancer is in TOTAL remission now.

>

>

>

Excellent news. Thanks for sharing. Hope all is having a good night. I

just finished exercising with my mom. We did 15 minutes of the Donnamite 4

day rotation...My mom really wants to go off the pills.

's daughter (Andreia)

To be left alone on the tightrope of youthful unknowing is to experience the

excrutiating beauty of full freedom and the threat of eternal indecision. -

Maya Angelou, I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings, 1970