Re: many causes of dm2

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In a message dated 04/02/2001 11:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

minina62@... writes:

> Actually, if anyone does a little research, you will find out that

> recently (and by recently I mean just a few months ago) Type II

> diabetes has been linked mostly to obesity than genetic

> predisposition. Research continues to be done on the matter.

> Genetics play a major part also, but not as much as it was originally

> thought.

>

yes, this is true, but still not in yet, is why. since so many types of dm2,

it is suspected, the obesity in certain types of dm2 actually caused th IR

and obesity.

This actually happend to my sister, over age 50, thin her whole life,

suddenly puts on over 100 lbs in over a year, then gets dm testing, sure

enough, dm2. Not early dm either, she has neuropathy of the feet., meaning

she had the gene since conception.

Same with me, I was thin until my late 20's, early 30's, then dm is

diagnosed, went undetected for a long time, I had the neurpathy too before

they found it, or shall I say, I found it.

So I'm thinking a certain type of dm2 runs in my family, even though my

steriod use brought it to a head, made it worse.

Obesity linked to dm doesn't mean obesity caused the dm, its the other way

around, since all findings aren't done yet, JMHO

If you're interested ion reserarch, I hear a new blood test is available,

haptoglobin (sp?) it detects if the dm complications are genetic, could

explain why some dm's get them and some don't regardless of treatment or

eating. But could go back to the many types of dm2.

carol

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In a message dated 4/2/01 9:59:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

minina62@... writes:

> I also suffer from PCOS

> (another condition which gives you a predisposition to it due to

> insulin resistance) and I have to shed around 50lbs. I didn't mean

> to say that genes do not play a role on it, since it obviously does

> for many of us. :-)

Genetics may play even a larger role in PCOS. (

Carol T

another PCOSer who managed to " graduate " into diabetes

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In a message dated 04/02/2001 2:16:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cprcarol@... writes:

> Genetics may play even a larger role in PCOS. (

>

>

every woman in my family for 2 generations has had to have a hysterectomy!!

:-( I was never dx with PCOS, but had cysts on ovaries when I was 10 yrs

old, and they were still there at time of hysty.

carol

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In a message dated 4/2/01 11:29:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

astrocarly@... writes:

> every woman in my family for 2 generations has had to have a hysterectomy!!

> :-( I was never dx with PCOS, but had cysts on ovaries when I was 10 yrs

> old, and they were still there at time of hysty.

Since there is the underlying IR, many women had hysterctomies to " cure "

their problems and then, SURPRISE!!! Diabetes, heart disease, hyperlipemia,

etc.....

Just to make it more confusing, not all PCOSers have the visible cysts....and

not all cysts are PCOS!. At least, many women today can treat the IR and,

hopefully prevent DM from developing.

Carol R

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In a message dated 04/02/2001 3:12:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

cprcarol@... writes:

> Since there is the underlying IR, many women had hysterctomies to " cure "

> their problems and then, SURPRISE!!! Diabetes, heart disease,

> hyperlipemia,

> etc.....

>

I didn't have much choice, I had uterine fibroid tumors, growing and growing,

bleeding wouldn't stop, it got so bad, my crit just in half an hour just

befor my surgery droppped from 28 to 20, dr comes to see me and says he

decided to do my surgery earlier than scheduled, glad he did.

carol

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In a message dated 4/2/01 12:26:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

astrocarly@... writes:

> I didn't have much choice, I had uterine fibroid tumors, growing and

growing,

>

> bleeding wouldn't stop, it got so bad, my crit just in half an hour just

> befor my surgery droppped from 28 to 20, dr comes to see me and says he

> decided to do my surgery earlier than scheduled, glad he did.

Whew..I hate it when that happens <g>. Good thing you were with a sharp dr!

Carol T

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> > Actually, if anyone does a little research, you will find out that

> > recently (and by recently I mean just a few months ago) Type II

> > diabetes has been linked mostly to obesity than genetic

> > predisposition.

**And, obesity can cause insulin resistance without dm, as in my sister's

case. She's low carbing (Atkins) for weight loss, and feeling much better.

Barb, who has an insulin resistant pony on magnesium, chromium and low carbs

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It runs in my family too, both sides. I also suffer from PCOS

(another condition which gives you a predisposition to it due to

insulin resistance) and I have to shed around 50lbs. I didn't mean

to say that genes do not play a role on it, since it obviously does

for many of us. :-)

> In a message dated 04/02/2001 11:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> minina62@h... writes:

>

>

> > Actually, if anyone does a little research, you will find out

that

> > recently (and by recently I mean just a few months ago) Type II

> > diabetes has been linked mostly to obesity than genetic

> > predisposition. Research continues to be done on the matter.

> > Genetics play a major part also, but not as much as it was

originally

> > thought.

> >

>

> yes, this is true, but still not in yet, is why. since so many

types of dm2,

> it is suspected, the obesity in certain types of dm2 actually

caused th IR

> and obesity.

> This actually happend to my sister, over age 50, thin her whole

life,

> suddenly puts on over 100 lbs in over a year, then gets dm testing,

sure

> enough, dm2. Not early dm either, she has neuropathy of the feet.,

meaning

> she had the gene since conception.

> Same with me, I was thin until my late 20's, early 30's, then dm is

> diagnosed, went undetected for a long time, I had the neurpathy too

before

> they found it, or shall I say, I found it.

> So I'm thinking a certain type of dm2 runs in my family, even

though my

> steriod use brought it to a head, made it worse.

> Obesity linked to dm doesn't mean obesity caused the dm, its the

other way

> around, since all findings aren't done yet, JMHO

> If you're interested ion reserarch, I hear a new blood test is

available,

> haptoglobin (sp?) it detects if the dm complications are genetic,

could

> explain why some dm's get them and some don't regardless of

treatment or

> eating. But could go back to the many types of dm2.

> carol

>

>

>

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O.K. gang, here I go again. I just found a nickel in the utility room so

I'll throw that in as opposed to my usual 2 cents.

I was a perfectly healthy, happy, normal lady 8 years ago. I held a full

time job at a shipping company, (driving 2 hours one way to work), also had

my own business teaching people who were in the business of selling or

serving alcoholic beverages (teaching them the laws and how to determine how

much a person could drink before becoming intoxicated and recognizing the

signs of intoxication, doing my crafts, playing the piano at church on

Sundays, Sunday nights, and Wednesday nights, playing the drums and singing

with a gospel band at various nursing homes every Thursday and sometimes on

Saturdays, did all of my own yard work, and walking a minimum of 2 miles

every single day. I was not overweight. Suddenly my world came to a

screeching halt. I was in an auto accident just 2 blocks from my office.

Both of my lungs collapsed and I went into cardiac arrest 4 times and was on

life support. This started the ball to rolling........downhill. I've had 2

breast surgeries, the flu, pneumonia, and 2 more cardiac arrests since that

time.....all because of that wreck. Then I found out that I had diabetes!

This was more than likely brought on by extreme trauma. So there you have

it all. Not all diabetes is caused by obesity. I am no longer able to

drive, do my housework, exercise or do any of the physical things that I was

able to do prior to 8 years ago. NOW AINT THAT A FINE KETTLE OF FISH!

They have been " threatening " to put in a pacemaker or a defibulator

(probably misspelled) for the past 4 years. I called my cardiologist's

office today and told them that I wanted them to either **** or get off of

the pot! I'm tired of living like this. In fact, this is not

living....It's only existing. If I die on the operating table....so be it.

My diabetes is not the thing that is bothering me. I have that under

control. If I could get my heart working right I would be able to walk and

this weight that I have gained would go back down and I could get off of

this insulin. I've raised so much cane to my doctor for the past 3 weeks

since my BGs have been running in the 40's and 50's and we have gradually

decreased the insulin from 45 units 2 x daily to 35 units 2 x daily....AND

I'M STILL DROPPING INTO THE 50's.

Well, that's the end of my daily tirade. Thanks for putting up with me

today. Just wish me luck.

Love to all,

Tootie

Re: many causes of dm2

In a message dated 04/02/2001 11:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

minina62@... writes:

> Actually, if anyone does a little research, you will find out that

> recently (and by recently I mean just a few months ago) Type II

> diabetes has been linked mostly to obesity than genetic

> predisposition. Research continues to be done on the matter.

> Genetics play a major part also, but not as much as it was originally

> thought.

>

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In a message dated 01-04-02 14:21:37 EDT, you write:

<<

Well, that's the end of my daily tirade. Thanks for putting up with me

today. Just wish me luck.

>>

Oh, Tootie, we do, we do! Sounds like you need still less insulin. Have you

considered another kind instead of NPH? Vicki

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Naomi s wrote:

> decreased the insulin from 45 units 2 x daily to 35 units 2 x daily....AND

> I'M STILL DROPPING INTO THE 50's.

>

> Well, that's the end of my daily tirade. Thanks for putting up with me

> today. Just wish me luck.

>

> Love to all,

> Tootie

Wow, you are having a time of it! I'm with you Tootie, put in the damn

pacemaker and be done with it, no matter how things roll. You just have

to be right here or know that you gave it your best effort.

Hugs, and best of luck!

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Yep Dave! Your Daily aphorism fits in just perfect here today. I'm tired

of all of the " we need to **** " . They need to do it or get off the pot! I

always liked the one where " Confucius says better to be pissed off than

pissed on! " Well Sweetie, I'm pissed off! I've been giving those doctor

heck for 3 weeks now. I'm ready to fight!!! LOL

Thanks for the hug. I needed that.

Tootie

Re: many causes of dm2

Wow, you are having a time of it! I'm with you Tootie, put in the damn

pacemaker and be done with it, no matter how things roll. You just have

to be right here or know that you gave it your best effort.

Hugs, and best of luck!

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Naomi s wrote:

>

> Yep Dave! Your Daily aphorism fits in just perfect here today. I'm tired

> of all of the " we need to **** " . They need to do it or get off the pot! I

> always liked the one where " Confucius says better to be pissed off than

> pissed on! " Well Sweetie, I'm pissed off! I've been giving those doctor

> heck for 3 weeks now. I'm ready to fight!!! LOL

>

> Thanks for the hug. I needed that.

> Tootie

Heh, sometimes these tags just slip by without being censored..

I've got good vibes for your decision. And, got plenty of

{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}} so print this out and use as needed..

>

> Re: many causes of dm2

>

> Wow, you are having a time of it! I'm with you Tootie, put in the damn

> pacemaker and be done with it, no matter how things roll. You just have

> to be right here or know that you gave it your best effort.

>

> Hugs, and best of luck!

>

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all my prayers heading your way, and good for you big huggs

glenna

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Re: many causes of dm2

In a message dated 04/02/2001 11:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

minina62@... writes:

> Actually, if anyone does a little research, you will find out that

> recently (and by recently I mean just a few months ago) Type II

> diabetes has been linked mostly to obesity than genetic

> predisposition. Research continues to be done on the matter.

> Genetics play a major part also, but not as much as it was originally

> thought.

>

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I sure have considered another kind of insulin but both my Endo and my

Internal Medicine doctors agree that I need to continue with NPH 70/30 and

Actos. I still think the problem is that my body does not react to new meds

as quickly as other people. I think that Actos is just now " doing it's

thing " with me. When I had the reaction to the tetanus shot it took 2 weeks

before it hit me. Same with penicillin, same with the Papaya injection for

the crushed discs in my back, and the same with the steroids (which they

said NOBODY REACTS TO THEM! ) Well, as usual, I had a reaction. All of

these took 2 weeks and I doggoned near died each time. I guess I'm just

like a turtle and sloooooooooow to get there. Most people see a result from

Actos within 6 to 9 weeks. I have been on it for approximately 3 months and

my BGs are going down, down, down. Oh well, at least I keep my doctor's on

their toes. They never know what to expect with me.

That's O.K. I stay in good with my Internal Medicine doctor. I've made a

beautiful T-shirt for his pretty little wife. I usually bake a fresh apple

cake for him when I'm going in for my regular monthly visit. He love's them

with his coffee for breakfast. He's a real sweetheart and has helped me out

a great deal by giving me lots of sample meds. I was in one my my " foot

stompin' " moods one day and told him I had to either give up food or meds

and he's been my " best friend " since then. As I'm sure I've said before,

he's from Puerto Rico and he's either learning to speak English better or

I'm learning to understand Spanish better 'cause we're able to communicate

better all the time. I don't know what in the heck is the problem with me

and my Cardiologist though. I've known him personally since he was fresh

out of Med school. He was my mother and daddy's doctor and still treats

Mother and one of my brothers. Maybe that's the problem. I've been friends

with him for too many years.

I'm very tired and pretty shaky now so I'm outta here. I need to check my

blood sugar again. I'll check my mail again before I go to bed.

Love to all,

Tootie

Re: many causes of dm2

In a message dated 01-04-02 14:21:37 EDT, you write:

<<

Well, that's the end of my daily tirade. Thanks for putting up with me

today. Just wish me luck.

>>

Oh, Tootie, we do, we do! Sounds like you need still less insulin. Have

you

considered another kind instead of NPH? Vicki

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I forget where I read it but I read a study where they are thinking that

diabetes is linked to muscular dystrophy in that it is the same type of

disease and actually looks the same. The difference beign that the two just

attack different parts of the body and produce different results/symptoms.

Kim Derry

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Actually, that may have been multiple sclerosis and not muscular dystrophy.

I get them mixed up sometimes.

Kim Derry

>I forget where I read it but I read a study where they are thinking that

>diabetes is linked to muscular dystrophy in that it is the same type of

>disease and actually looks the same. The difference beign that the two

>just

>attack different parts of the body and produce different results/symptoms.

>

>Kim Derry

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Kim Derry wrote:

>

> I forget where I read it but I read a study where they are thinking that

> diabetes is linked to muscular dystrophy in that it is the same type of

> disease and actually looks the same. The difference beign that the two just

> attack different parts of the body and produce different results/symptoms.

>

> Kim Derry

I saw something similar Kim, but I thought it was MS.

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Yes, it's MS. A member of my family has MS and we saw that on the news just

recently.

Tootie

Re: many causes of dm2

Kim Derry wrote:

>

> I forget where I read it but I read a study where they are thinking that

> diabetes is linked to muscular dystrophy in that it is the same type of

> disease and actually looks the same. The difference beign that the two

just

> attack different parts of the body and produce different

results/symptoms.

>

> Kim Derry

I saw something similar Kim, but I thought it was MS.

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Dave you seem to be the glucophage king here... I have a question.......My

doc prescribed 2 500 per day.... I find tho when I do eat something that

raises my level ... like last night I ate a mer 2 inches of a sourdough

baguette and my sugar soared to around 180..... I was devastated..... I took

2 500's before going to bed this morning my level was still 96 ..... today I

have eaten about 1 1/2 cups chicken salad and no carb meringues from a low

carb site..... I just tested and my level was 125 and I ate this stuff hrs

ago , 5 hrs to be exact.... I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now.... Is

it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

attack desperation......

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Hi yalie- I read that it does not work quickly and " popping two " is not

helpful. I am sure others have more advice. But I did the same thing the

other day... in desperation....

E

I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now....

Is

it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

attack desperation......

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yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> Dave you seem to be the glucophage king here... I have a question.......My

> doc prescribed 2 500 per day.... I find tho when I do eat something that

> raises my level ... like last night I ate a mer 2 inches of a sourdough

> baguette and my sugar soared to around 180..... I was devastated..... I took

> 2 500's before going to bed this morning my level was still 96 ..... today I

> have eaten about 1 1/2 cups chicken salad and no carb meringues from a low

> carb site..... I just tested and my level was 125 and I ate this stuff hrs

> ago , 5 hrs to be exact.... I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

> with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now.... Is

> it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

> attack desperation......

Won't hurt you IMHO. Some take 1000mg glucophage all the time at once.

It probably didn't do much for your BG though, as the way I understand

it, glucophage builds up a level in your body to work. I have seen

places also that said that it will help a peak, but generally is like a

basal insulin in its results.

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,

I know that panic attack feeling. That is one reason I am glad that I have

that extra " pen " anytime my sugar goes over a certain point. I haven't had to

use it for over a week now. Sometimes I think just being afraid of a high sugar

makes my sugar start to go up. Remember you are very stressed out and stress is

a factor. When I was on Glucophage my doctor told me that it was important that

I take it 30 to 45 mins before a meal. That it was supposed to work on the food

I was about to eat and that taking it later was like closing the barn door after

the cow is out. Again, just my experience. Having that extra pen of Humalog

in my purse is like carrying around an umbrella in my trunk.

Re: many causes of dm2

Hi yalie- I read that it does not work quickly and " popping two " is not

helpful. I am sure others have more advice. But I did the same thing the

other day... in desperation....

E

I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now....

Is

it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

attack desperation......

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When I started Glucophage (the second time..with an Endo...(the first time was

PCP and he screwed up) I took 500 mg once a day (breakfast) for two weeks. Then

added 500 mg at dinner for two weeks (in addition to the breakfast 500 mg).

Then increased dinner to 1000 mg Glucophage. Later (forgot how long) added

additional 500 mg to dinner.

As soon as Glucophage XR was able to be prescribed (without being in a study) my

Endo switched me to 2000 mg Glucophage XR (but had me take it in the morning...I

later learned should take with dinner).

Re: many causes of dm2

yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> Dave you seem to be the glucophage king here... I have a question.......My

> doc prescribed 2 500 per day.... I find tho when I do eat something that

> raises my level ... like last night I ate a mer 2 inches of a sourdough

> baguette and my sugar soared to around 180..... I was devastated..... I took

> 2 500's before going to bed this morning my level was still 96 ..... today

I

> have eaten about 1 1/2 cups chicken salad and no carb meringues from a low

> carb site..... I just tested and my level was 125 and I ate this stuff hrs

> ago , 5 hrs to be exact.... I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

> with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now....

Is

> it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

> attack desperation......

Won't hurt you IMHO. Some take 1000mg glucophage all the time at once.

It probably didn't do much for your BG though, as the way I understand

it, glucophage builds up a level in your body to work. I have seen

places also that said that it will help a peak, but generally is like a

basal insulin in its results.

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Well, the good part about this was you learned that even a mere two inches of

sourdough will raise your BG. Rather than eat it and panic, better to delete

it from your diet. (Even one bite of bread will send me through the roof).

96 is not a panic number either...it's very good. Did your doctor tell you

what parameters your BG should stay within? Anything below 65 is considered

hypo; probably anything up to 140 is okay too. We try to stay as close to

100 as possible. Vicki

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<< I find tho when I do eat something that

raises my level ... like last night I ate a mer 2 inches of a sourdough

baguette and my sugar soared to around 180..... I was devastated..... I took

2 500's before going to bed this morning my level was still 96 ..... today

I

have eaten about 1 1/2 cups chicken salad and no carb meringues from a low

carb site..... I just tested and my level was 125 and I ate this stuff hrs

ago , 5 hrs to be exact.... I just popped 2 glucopage and swigged them down

with a quart of water.....I have been taking this nasty stuff 3 mo now....

Is

it safe to pop 2 at a time...... the high sugar levels scare me into panic

attack desperation......

>>