Re: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

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If I have offended you Dave ... and others.... IM sorry, I, like so many type

2's have quite a bit of weight to lose..... Like I have said before I had

very high blood sugars in my 30's I lost 60 pounds and had no problem eating

what I liked as long as I kept it reasonable and kept my weight down.... In

the past 3 years my weight has mounted and mounted .... I just kept saying

tomorrow tomorrow..... well, with tingling feet I waddled to my docs office

for some blood work..... and yes a soaring 370 fasting level...... I guess IM

being so dogmatic because I want everyone to not let what I let happen to me

happen to them!.... IM responsible.... Not my genes not my environment....

ME... I just kept saying tomorrow tomorrow..... and here I am today; tingling

feet and lancets ... glucose strips and that awful glucopage medicine...... I

wish you and all here well....

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In a message dated 04/03/2001 9:36:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

fencible@... writes:

> and these articles only come from 1 search engine but folks........ you have

> > a genetic tendency toward diabetes but your fat bodies trigger the

> > decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss doesn't

> > matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it all

> > together!!!

>

yalegirls, who are you really?

did you read your own cite you sent? Its says obesity plays a part in

diabetes IF genetics are present for diabetes type 2.

carol

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In a message dated 04/03/2001 10:19:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

yalegirls@... writes:

> ME... I just kept saying tomorrow tomorrow..... and here I am today;

> tingling

> feet and lancets ... glucose strips and that awful glucopage medicine......

> I

> wish you and all here well....

>

By your moods I'd say bg is still high, yes that you are responsible for,

only you can take control, not us.

Denial does take hold of us at some time in all chronic diseases, you will

come to acceptance at some point, you have questions, ask instead of lashing

out, we won't conndemn you or think you'll silly or stupid.

You want to know the score on dm2 , post away, no need to attack other list

members.

carol

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In a message dated 04/03/2001 10:53:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

barnie64@... writes:

> diabetic for some time at that point, i started out slowly and in time i

> lost over 100pounds, and beleive me if i can do it

> there are others out there that can.

> glenna

>

thats so great, glenna!!! Tell us what else you did to do it.

thanks

carol

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yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> <A

HREF= " http://www.medweb.com.au/condition_centre/diabetes/0,1837,94|14|763|Conten\

t,00.html " >Click here: MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?</A> Now I can keep

on and on

> and these articles only come from 1 search engine but folks........ you have

> a genetic tendency toward diabetes but your fat bodies trigger the

> decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss doesn't

> matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it all

> together!!!

I think you had better learn some tact fast lady.. " your fat bodies? "

Where the hell do you get off thinking that you've got the right to

address people on this list that way?

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1. my body is not fat, 2. no one said that if your over weight that looseing

some of the weight, would not help as a matter of fact we do incourage weight

loss if needed. now am i supose to tell my 135 pound 6 foot 3 inch brother

to loose weight and you will get better dream on

cause it ain't going to happen. now please move on to another subject please.

glenna

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Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

<A

HREF= " http://www.medweb.com.au/condition_centre/diabetes/0,1837,94|14|763|Conten\

t,00.html " >Click here: MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?</A> Now I can keep

on and on

and these articles only come from 1 search engine but folks........ you have

a genetic tendency toward diabetes but your fat bodies trigger the

decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss doesn't

matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it all

together!!!

[Guest guest]

yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> If I have offended you Dave ... and others.... IM sorry, I, like so many type

> 2's have quite a bit of weight to lose..... Like I have said before I had

> very high blood sugars in my 30's I lost 60 pounds and had no problem eating

> what I liked as long as I kept it reasonable and kept my weight down.... In

> the past 3 years my weight has mounted and mounted .... I just kept saying

> tomorrow tomorrow..... well, with tingling feet I waddled to my docs office

> for some blood work..... and yes a soaring 370 fasting level...... I guess IM

> being so dogmatic because I want everyone to not let what I let happen to me

> happen to them!.... IM responsible.... Not my genes not my environment....

> ME... I just kept saying tomorrow tomorrow..... and here I am today; tingling

> feet and lancets ... glucose strips and that awful glucopage medicine...... I

> wish you and all here well....

Apology accepted. It wasn't that you offended me, it was more that

because of a problem that you obviously hold near and dear to your

heart, you were trying to get the message out that being overweight is

the major problem for *most* type 2 diabetics. In that you are correct.

In the lack of tact you displayed, you were wrong, as some are easily

offended, and already feel bad enough about themselves without being

reminded. We are not kids here.

Many on this list have been here a long time, and certainly not new to

diabetes, and don't need preaching.

We are here to offer support, and our personal solutions to what works.

Now, you keep referring to " that awful glucopage " medicine. It's been

around a long time, in fact I've been on it for 3 years with no

problems. Are you taking it with meals? Did you just start it or have

you been on it a while? It does take time to get used to, and one should

start with small doses.

You might even do better with GlucophageXR, which is the extended

release version of Glucophage.

You can get a one months FREE supply of GlucophageXR by going to

http://www.glucophageXR.com and printing out the coupon. Of course,

you'll still need a prescription.

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In a message dated 04/03/2001 1:16:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dastegs3@... writes:

> I have to agree that Metformin (Glucophage) is the worst oral medication

> that I have come across. I have tried for six months and no matter how slow

> I start it up it ends up being the strongest laxative that I have ever run

> into. Also it strikes with a vengeance with no warning. You people that can

> tolerate it are fortunate, JerrySteg

>

Me too , in the early days of my dm2. Couldn't do it, so went to insulin. But

now , isn't Actos the same thing only no GI side effects?

Can't afford it or no insurance? Ask dr for samples, many dr's are doing this

to help patients and dr can sign you up for free med programs, and in some

cases it might be free anyway, check with your dr.

carol

[Guest guest]

you need to apogize to sara E and pray to the good lord above you did not push

her over the edge. i feel so bad for her. you where mean and crule in your

remarks, and i am sorry that your over weight, get up off the couch and walk a

bit just a little bit at a time, i at one time weighed 300 pounds, but i was

already diabetic for some time at that point, i started out slowly and in time i

lost over 100pounds, and beleive me if i can do it

there are others out there that can.

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

If I have offended you Dave ... and others.... IM sorry, I, like so many type

2's have quite a bit of weight to lose..... Like I have said before I had

very high blood sugars in my 30's I lost 60 pounds and had no problem eating

what I liked as long as I kept it reasonable and kept my weight down.... In

the past 3 years my weight has mounted and mounted .... I just kept saying

tomorrow tomorrow..... well, with tingling feet I waddled to my docs office

for some blood work..... and yes a soaring 370 fasting level...... I guess IM

being so dogmatic because I want everyone to not let what I let happen to me

happen to them!.... IM responsible.... Not my genes not my environment....

ME... I just kept saying tomorrow tomorrow..... and here I am today; tingling

feet and lancets ... glucose strips and that awful glucopage medicine...... I

wish you and all here well....

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 04/03/2001 2:54:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dastegs3@... writes:

> I am and have been happy on insulin for many years. My doctor took in a new

> woman Dr. who kept hounding me to try metformin so I finally gave in, to my

> regret. I do not want to take oral drugs, I prefer just insulin and my

> regular Dr. lets me handle my diabetes control. He says I know more than he

> does and with my excellent blood chemistries he is not about to interfere.

> (My type of doctor.) JerrySteg

>

Hey!!! LOL my dr lets me manage my own dm too. Must be a good dr.

I hunted a long time for my current dr, she's very aggressive in dm

treatment, and actually listened to what I had to say about current dm

treatment, and she actually agreed!! especially about the low carb, she was

thrilled, she just wanted to do kidney and liver tests, then said ok, go for

it.

I manage my own insulin of course, she actually asked me to show her how I

figure my carb/insulin ratio and my sliding scale.

I went along with her on the avandia, and now I lowered insulin a lot, but

bonus is all of a sudden fbg is always under 100 every morning no matter if I

eat at night or even what I eat, it still is much better, but have to have

liver blood tests done every month though. But I was liver normal before

starting.

I had been adjusting U for 2 years, just couldn't get it right without going

low all day too.

Somehow with the avandia 6mg, U is 18 in am and 14 in pm, even on

prednisone, it finally is behaving!!! :-) I still do Humalog too.

I was having a big problem with H lasting over 6 hours and I'd go too low, so

I fixed that with changing injection sites so it works right away and

lowering dose of course, and doesn't start 2 hours later!!! LOL

I really lucked out getting this dr. My only regret is I went off low carb

for a while and my tri's went sky high, so now I'm working on that again.

carol

[Guest guest]

when i got hungry, i went out side, walked around the yard drinking a quart of

water, then i started mowing my lawn little my little, i had 3 large areas to

do, at first it took me a week to mow the whole yard, then i got where it took 3

days, then 1 day so i had to fiquare out what to do, i bought the exersize

machine that glids sort, put on my fav music and went to it, but it took 1year

or so to get to that point and a lot of testing to keep from the lows being low

enough to hurt me. i did what they called grazing a bite of this and a bite of

that. i watched 8 children besides my 2 often, i fixed food for them the kids

where newborn to 5 at that time so cooking a lot of food did not happen, and my

husband had been murdered so i did not have to cook for a spouce. and i kept all

the bad foods out of the house, thats about it lots of walking and water

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

In a message dated 04/03/2001 10:53:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

barnie64@... writes:

> diabetic for some time at that point, i started out slowly and in time i

> lost over 100pounds, and beleive me if i can do it

> there are others out there that can.

> glenna

>

thats so great, glenna!!! Tell us what else you did to do it.

thanks

carol

[Guest guest]

yalegirls- it is a disease not a decease

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From: yalegirls@...

To: diabetes_int

Subject: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

Date: Tue, Apr 3, 2001, 7:55 AM

trigger the

decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss doesn't

matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it all

together!!!

[Guest guest]

E, how are you today, glad you posted was worried, how is the weather

where your at, its nice and sunny here in old oklahoma, got half the girls, my

daughers, swing put up planing on finishing up today before they get out of

school

what are you doing today.

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?

Date: Tue, Apr 3, 2001, 7:55 AM

trigger the

decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss doesn't

matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it all

together!!!

[Guest guest]

> Now, you keep referring to " that awful glucopage " medicine. It's been

> around a long time, in fact I've been on it for 3 years with no

> problems.

I have to agree that Metformin (Glucophage) is the worst oral medication

that I have come across. I have tried for six months and no matter how slow

I start it up it ends up being the strongest laxative that I have ever run

into. Also it strikes with a vengeance with no warning. You people that can

tolerate it are fortunate, JerrySteg

[Guest guest]

JerrySteg wrote:

>

> > Now, you keep referring to " that awful glucopage " medicine. It's been

> > around a long time, in fact I've been on it for 3 years with no

> > problems.

>

> I have to agree that Metformin (Glucophage) is the worst oral medication

> that I have come across. I have tried for six months and no matter how slow

> I start it up it ends up being the strongest laxative that I have ever run

> into. Also it strikes with a vengeance with no warning. You people that can

> tolerate it are fortunate, JerrySteg

I guess it's all in one's makeup. My experience is that it's just the

opposite for me.

(lots of apples)

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[Guest guest]

> Me too , in the early days of my dm2. Couldn't do it, so went to insulin.

But

> now , isn't Actos the same thing only no GI side effects?

> Can't afford it or no insurance? Ask dr for samples, many dr's are doing

this

> to help patients and dr can sign you up for free med programs, and in some

> cases it might be free anyway, check with your dr.

> carol

>

>

I am and have been happy on insulin for many years. My doctor took in a new

woman Dr. who kept hounding me to try metformin so I finally gave in, to my

regret. I do not want to take oral drugs, I prefer just insulin and my

regular Dr. lets me handle my diabetes control. He says I know more than he

does and with my excellent blood chemistries he is not about to interfere.

(My type of doctor.) JerrySteg

[Guest guest]

That's so true! I cannot afford Actos. My doctor talked to the sales rep

and they had him sign up for me to receive a 3 month supply. He is supposed

to reapply every 3 months but he has been giving me free samples instead.

You just have to tell them your situation and they will work with you.

Tootie

Re: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II

diabetes?

In a message dated 04/03/2001 1:16:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

dastegs3@... writes:

> I have to agree that Metformin (Glucophage) is the worst oral medication

> that I have come across. I have tried for six months and no matter how

slow

> I start it up it ends up being the strongest laxative that I have ever

run

> into. Also it strikes with a vengeance with no warning. You people that

can

> tolerate it are fortunate, JerrySteg

>

Me too , in the early days of my dm2. Couldn't do it, so went to insulin.

But

now , isn't Actos the same thing only no GI side effects?

Can't afford it or no insurance? Ask dr for samples, many dr's are doing

this

to help patients and dr can sign you up for free med programs, and in some

cases it might be free anyway, check with your dr.

carol

[Guest guest]

I had diarrhea for a year and a half while I was on gloucaphage (probably

misspelled) and then they put me on Glipizide and the problem stopped within

just a few days. Next thing, they added Amaryl and that screwed up my liver

so they took me off of that and put me on insulin (NPH 70/30) which I'm

still on, then added Actos and now my BGs are going so low they are having

to cut my insulin over and over because of the hypos. There's just simply

no end to the changes because our bodies are constantly changing I suppose.

Anyway, I am very happy to be on Actos and insulin if I can just get it all

regulated. At least my BGs never run high anymore.

Tootie

Re: Check out MedWeb - What causes Type II

diabetes?

> Me too , in the early days of my dm2. Couldn't do it, so went to

insulin.

But

> now , isn't Actos the same thing only no GI side effects?

> Can't afford it or no insurance? Ask dr for samples, many dr's are doing

this

> to help patients and dr can sign you up for free med programs, and in

some

> cases it might be free anyway, check with your dr.

> carol

>

>

I am and have been happy on insulin for many years. My doctor took in a

new

woman Dr. who kept hounding me to try metformin so I finally gave in, to

my

regret. I do not want to take oral drugs, I prefer just insulin and my

regular Dr. lets me handle my diabetes control. He says I know more than

he

does and with my excellent blood chemistries he is not about to interfere.

(My type of doctor.) JerrySteg

[Guest guest]

I think you have made your point, but to be honest it isn't helping one

bit

yalegirls@... wrote:

>

> <A

>

HREF= " http://www.medweb.com.au/condition_centre/diabetes/0,1837,94|14|763|Conten\

t,00.html " >Click

> here: MedWeb - What causes Type II diabetes?</A> Now I can keep on and

> on

> and these articles only come from 1 search engine but folks........

> you have

> a genetic tendency toward diabetes but your fat bodies trigger the

> decease!!!! Please lets not let the members here think weight loss

> doesn't

> matter in controlling this insidious decease or in getting rid of it

> all

> together!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

> I think you had better learn some tact fast lady.. " your fat bodies? "

> Where the hell do you get off thinking that you've got the right to

> address people on this list that way?

>

> --

> Dave - 9:32:07 AM

>

Dave----

I couldn't agree more. I can't understand how someone new can come to the

list, assume she knows we don't address weight issues (we do) and then

proceed to basically call us names. I'm way behind (as usual) but sure hope

to read further and see that this nonsense has stopped.

[Guest guest]

vjpoos3220@... wrote:

>

> > I think you had better learn some tact fast lady.. " your fat bodies? "

> > Where the hell do you get off thinking that you've got the right to

> > address people on this list that way?

> >

> > --

> > Dave - 9:32:07 AM

> >

>

> Dave----

>

> I couldn't agree more. I can't understand how someone new can come to the

> list, assume she knows we don't address weight issues (we do) and then

> proceed to basically call us names. I'm way behind (as usual) but sure hope

> to read further and see that this nonsense has stopped.

>

>

It has stopped, in fact she's been absent lately. Sadly if you do read

further you'll find why the subject was so dear to her heart, and it's

not a happy story.

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