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Oh my, I just found out I have diabetes. I talked to my Mom and dad and they

say That I am the only person in the family that has ever had this illness.

Lung cancer as they all smoke, skin cancer as I guess they all like the shore

but not a person with diabetes. I read Bills article about obesity with

interest. I am the first one in my immediate family to gain a large amount of

weight. What do you all know about the syndrome x ? Can I get rid of this

syndrome by losing some weight or will it stay with me forever? The doctor

said that if I don't lose 50 pounds, he will have to put me on insulin in all

likelyhood.He said that most people as large as I am just don't seem to be

able to lose all the weight they need to lose and that insulin helps them

with all the fatten food they eat. He went on to say that I must go to an

educator of diabetes to learn what to eat. I told him he was being very short

and rude to me and the jerk had the gall to say that he hated to see grown

people continue to come to his office with diabetes when all they had to do

was eat like normal people and they would not have had to waste there time

and money or his. A woman at my office found this site for me. she uses

insulin but has had diabetes since she was 12. She said that it was her

understanding that type2 diabetes, that which I have didn't require insulin.

after reading Bills article I feel like the jerk doctor was right and that if

I hadn't let my self go I would not have this disease. My family has been

fussing and fussing as I gained weight and now they know they are right. I

didn't have a heart attack like they predicted only another thing just as

bad. Have all of you been successful losing weight or do you have to take

insulin?

Thanks Sue

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In a message dated 4/6/01 9:29:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

gimechocolate@... writes:

<< The doctor

said that if I don't lose 50 pounds, he will have to put me on insulin in

all

likelyhood.He said that most people as large as I am just don't seem to be

able to lose all the weight they need to lose and that insulin helps them

with all the fatten food they eat. He went on to say that I must go to an

educator of diabetes to learn what to eat. I told him he was being very

short

and rude to me and the jerk had the gall to say that he hated to see grown

people continue to come to his office with diabetes when all they had to do

was eat like normal people and they would not have had to waste there time

and money or his >>

Oh my... i've not even read the rest of your note yet... but i HAVE to

respond to this....

I feel that based on this, you need to find a new dr....

yes this is a life long condition, wont go away if you lose wt, although

management may be easier.

There is no basis that you will need insulin unless you loose wt, some folk

do well on oral meds, some don't.

(more to follow i'm sure)

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In a message dated 4/6/01 9:29:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

gimechocolate@... writes:

<< Have all of you been successful losing weight or do you have to take

insulin? >>

I've been diagnosed in Nov 2000,

I am on oral medication, glucophage 500mg twice a day.

I'm currently loosing wt, slowly, but i'm more focused on keeping my blood

level's down... to near normal range. i was diagnosed at about 280 for blood

sugars.

i'm now running 95- 130 most of the time, with only a few peaks.

I'm doing this by controlling my carbohydrates and this is working for me,

so not all very heavy folk need to go on insulin.

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Hi, Sue, welcome to the list. There are a lot of syndrome X's here (as well

as some type 1s). You're right - your doc is a jerk, making you feel guilty

for causing your disease. I'm shocked at the number of doctors who do this.

Overweight does not cause diabetes in and of itself. It may be the trigger,

however, the thing that sets it off, although there are many other causes

too.. You can control diabetes by diet and exercise or pills, or insulin, or

a combination of all of the above.

Did your doctor prescribe a blood glucose meter and tell you how to use it?

This is the single most important tool for controlling high BGs and if he

didn't prescribe it, call him and demand that he do (if he prescribes it your

insurance will cover it, although you can get it without a prescription).

I sent a post to Pat on this list earlier today with a lot of the same info

you need to know so I won't repeat it here, except to say that a good start

is to cut out the " whites " -- breads, cereals, grains, pasta, rice as well as

stuff containing sugar. Get that meter and test as I indicated on earlier

post. Aim for a normal BG of around 100. This will be hard at first and

will take lots of testing so be prepared to do a lot of poking, taking blood

and putting it on strips and using that meter. Weigh your food and write

everything down. Ask us any questions you want -- we've all been there and

we'll offer our experience and you can draw your own conclusions.

Oh yes -- get a copy of Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes Solutions, by K.

Bernstein., M.D. He's diabetic and has written the most comprehensive, easily

understood book on diabetes and how to control it that I've read yet. He

also has a website with excerpts from the book and other related stuff. The

URl is

www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

You can get the book at Amazon, or 's online -- 's may have used

copies, which are slightly cheaper. Their URL is

www.powells.com

Or try your local library. Take care, Vicki

In a message dated 01-04-06 09:29:41 EDT, you write:

<< I told him he was being very short

and rude to me and the jerk had the gall to say that he hated to see grown

people continue to come to his office with diabetes when all they had to do

was eat like normal people and they would not have had to waste there time

and money or his. A woman at my office found this site for me. she uses

insulin but has had diabetes since she was 12. She said that it was her

understanding that type2 diabetes, that which I have didn't require insulin.

after reading Bills article I feel like the jerk doctor was right and that

if

I hadn't let my self go I would not have this disease. My family has been

fussing and fussing as I gained weight and now they know they are right. I

didn't have a heart attack like they predicted only another thing just as

bad. Have all of you been successful losing weight or do you have to take

insulin?

Thanks Sue >>

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>From: gimechocolate@...

insulin helps them

>with all the fatten food they eat.

I haven't been on insulin, but from reading this list, I understand that

insulin causes many people to GAIN weight, not lose it.

He went on to say that I must go to an

>educator of diabetes to learn what to eat.

This is probably a good idea. It will at least give you a starting point to

work from. Also, we have a lot of discussion of dietary issues on this

list.

>type2 diabetes, that which I have didn't require insulin.

Some Type 2 diabetics need insulin; many do quite well on oral medications,

or on diet and exercise alone.

>after reading Bills article I feel like the jerk doctor was right and that

>if

>I hadn't let my self go I would not have this disease.

Absolutely, the first thing to do is to find a new doctor!! You might

consider an endocrinologist, but many other doctors do just fine with

diabetics as long as they keep up with the technology and medications.

Have all of you been successful losing weight or do you have to take

>insulin?

I've been successful losing weight, enough to get off the oral meds I was on

previously. It can be done, and you can do it. Insulin is not the only

answer. But, it might be the right answer for you right now. Lots of

people start out on insulin or meds and through diet and exercise are able

to get off them.

It's hard at first because dm means (for many of us) big lifestyle changes

and a real health scare. Let us know how you're doing, post your stats

(blood sugar level when diagnosed, height, weight, HbA1c, etc.) when you're

ready, and keep reading what goes on here.

>Thanks Sue

>

Robin G.

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> Hi, my name is Janet and I was diagnosed with diabetes in December 2000.

> I don't think that I had had it for very long before that as my numbers

> were not that high, after saying that, is it possible to have diabetes for

awhile and

> not have rally high numbers. Mine were averaging 8.4

> I am having a lot of problems with my feet right now.

**Hi, Janet. Welcome! We have several folks from Canada, some from Europe

and Australia, I think. If you check our archives, we just had a discussion

about where we were all from, and quite a few folks answered.

8.4 is pretty high, Janet, and that would be causing the numbness in your

feet - neuropathy. A lot of us lower our carbohydrate intake considerably

and aim for a number of 5.7. To get the U.S. numbers, multiply yours by

approx. 18 (I know there is a better formula, but don't remember what it

is), so 5.7 would be approx. 100 in the U.S. There are a lot of great

references on our website, which url is found at the bottom of each message:

http://www.msteri.com/diabetes-info/diabetes_int The best one IMHO is " Dr.

Bernstein's Diabetes Solution " - it is chock full of great information on

controlling blood sugars, avoiding and treating diabetic complications,

etc., etc.

Hopefully you have a blood glucose meter and are testing after your meals.

If you test 1-2 hours after eating, this will tell you how much which foods

will spike your bg's. I try not to go above 6, which for me means eating a

low to moderate carb diet.

Again, welcome, Janet.

Barb, type 2, insulin, moderate carb, hard physical work

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> Hi, my name is Janet and I was diagnosed with diabetes in December 2000.

> I don't think that I had had it for very long before that as my numbers

> were not that high, after saying that, is it possible to have diabetes for

awhile and

> not have rally high numbers. Mine were averaging 8.4

> I am having a lot of problems with my feet right now.

> Was wondering how international this group is? I am from Canada and we use a

> different number system for bgs. Is there anyone out there that uses the same

> system as it would be nice to relate to someone using the same numbers, I find

> it hard to convert accurately from the US to our system?

Hi Janet. Yes, there are a few of us Canadians on here. Welcome to the club.

I was diagnosed in June of 98. I never found out how high my A1c was when

diagnosed but my first visit to the clinic showed a 2-hour after meal reading of

13 (234). Now I usually get a 5.5 to 6 two hours after. Are you on medication

of any sort? What kind of diet?

Annette

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Welcome, .

Jeanne in WI

Age 38

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Re: new to list

>Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 09:46:44 EDT

>

>Dana , let me be the 1st to welcome you to our WONDERFUL group!!!!!!

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I started having miscarriages when I was 30 and they tested my progesterone

and it was low (7 days after ovulation) so they assumed I had a luteal phase

defect and never tested my thyroid. I have 3 children already and had them all

prior to having 14 miscarriages. I was 14 weeks with the first and the others

were a lot earlier..then we did fertility treatment and lost twins at 13

weeks..... and then had several early miscarriages in spite of the clomid,

repronex and progesterone supplementation. 5 years later I read about thyroid

.......

Just wondering if anyone has had the same issues and if thyroid

supplementation helped them. I read Thyroid power and have started taking

Armour.... had

to get it through IAS... My Free T3 was barely normal . According to the

tests in Thyroid power I needed to start thryoid regardless of what my blood

levels/tests showed.

I've been on thyroid just over a month and feel SOOOOO much better and

noticed that my ovulation *signals* are MUCH stronger. I started it the first

day

of my period BTW and this last period was SOOOooooo much lighter-- (I also

have endometriosis & thought that was the reasion for such heavy periods)

~Pattie~

Mom to age 9 (healthy), age 7 (Shwachman-Diamond Syndrome), and

ph age 6 (Shwachman-Diamond Syndrome)

for more information on Shwachman-Diamond Syndrome:

<A HREF= " http://www.shwachmandiamondamerica.org/ " >Shwachman-Diamond America</A>

Have a child that needs to gain weight?:

<A

HREF= " http://www.shwachmandiamondamerica.org/phpbb/viewforum.php?f=8 & sid=874b6f0\

76bb965f3d7b42f85d0f3a39f " >Weight Gaining recipes</A>

to read the latest article on chronic neutropenia:

<A

HREF= " http://www.shwachmandiamondamerica.org/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=248 & sid=5c36b\

e6039c76ea5984b078122aa0aa1 " > Molecular basis & therapy of disorders associated

with chronic neutropenia</A>

> Sorry, but I have to add my .02 on this one. If your progesterone is very

> low and you

> are still having periods and are not on the thin side (which you may be) you

> could

> still be considered estrogen dominant, and probably are. The more body fat

> we have

> the more estrogen we produce. However, we only produce progesterone when we

> are

> ovulating regularly. We can also still have periods and may not (nowadays,

> in most

> cases, if a woman is over 35, she's probably not ovulating every month,

> hence, low

> progesterone and estorgen dominance because of the body fat.

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> I've been on thyroid just over a month and feel SOOOOO much better

>and noticed that my ovulation *signals* are MUCH stronger. I

>started it the first day of my period BTW and this last period was

>SOOOooooo much lighter--

Hi Pattie. Welcome to our natural thyroid group. Glad to read you

discovered Armour and are also having the great results you are!! It

turned my life around in a major way, and others here can attest to

the same. Though I never had pregnancy problems, there are others who

can identify with you, and I'm sure they will post. You goal on

Armour is to get your free T3 in the upper part of the range. It also

helps to check on other areas---I, for example, discovered I had low

testosterone and low Ferritin levels which needed correction. Others

found they needed adrenal support of some kind. Others are working on

their female hormones. It all plays a part in your goals for good

health.

Keep us informed how you are doing! And never hesitate to ask

questions---we have different experts in different areas who are more

than willing to contribute!!

Janie