Re: can armour work this fast?

[Guest guest]

Yes, Patty, It is possible-----the T3 works very quickly.

Feisty

can armour work this fast?

took my first half dose yesterday afternoon, started off today with a

half dose....I swear I feel better...is it the placebo effect, or is

it possible to feel better already?

8)

[Guest guest]

> took my first half dose yesterday afternoon, started off today

>with a half dose....I swear I feel better...is it the placebo

>effect, or is it possible to feel better already?

I had a quick notice of effect, too, in one area. But even if it is

a placebo effect, what a great experience to tell you that what is

to come as you find your optimal dose!! You are on your way!!

Janie

[Guest guest]

wow. Yesterday I noticed fewer body aches, and a friend commented

" you sound so much better! " on the phone.

Today I got on the treadmill and did 2 miles for the first time in

WEEKS...something's happening. I feel much less depressed, though I

can't say I'm entirely " cured. "

But oh, boy, what a great start!

How quickly do you increase dosage, and what are the signs of too big

an increase?

8)

woohoo!!!

--- I

n NaturalThyroidHormones , " loboshe " <usns@r...> wrote:

> I had a quick notice of effect, too, in one area. But even if it is

> a placebo effect, what a great experience to tell you that what is

> to come as you find your optimal dose!! You are on your way!!

>

> Janie

[Guest guest]

Patty, I'm a self doser, due to lack of insurance and being a 'financial

cripple'. I've had to learn things as I go and I just wanted to pass on

some of my own observations.

When you get that first surge of feeling better.. you may want to pace

yourself a bit so that you don't over do... if you get too energetic too

fast it sometimes causes problems in that your body isn't quiet able to

keep up with what your head wants to do because you are feeling so much

better.

Dosage increases... here too be careful. Waiting 4 to 6 weeks between

dosage changes is the wise way to go, I think... so that you body has

time to adjust and also because it can take several weeks for the T4 to

build up in your system.. You could be overdosing and not even notice for

a period of time and when you do you have so much built up in your system

that you are going to have to decrease your dosage until your system can

level out again.

It's kind a like a 'one step forward two steps back' kinda deal.. it

seems to be better for a lot of us to take it slow and let our bodies

adjust comfortably and safely, we end up getting to the optimal dose much

quicker with few side effects.

HURRAY for you that you are doing better. It's wonderful to hear when

some one finally makes it to the right road and is one their way! Keep us

posted, okay?

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Wed, 06 Au 2003 17:01:25 -0000 " patty Blake "

writes:

> wow. Yesterday I noticed fewer body aches, and a friend commented

> " you sound so much better! " on the phone.

> Today I got on the treadmill and did 2 miles for the first time in

> WEEKS...something's happening. I feel much less depressed, though

> I can't say I'm entirely " cured. "

> But oh, boy, what a great start!

> How quickly do you increase dosage, and what are the signs of too

> big an increase?

>

> 8)

>

> woohoo!!!

[Guest guest]

> How quickly do you increase dosage, and what are the signs of too

big an increase?

Hey, Patty, that is so great to hear about your new energy! You

would be wise to stay on each increase, after the initial starting

dose, at least 5 weeks. Personally, I did labs after most increases

to see where my free T3 got. When it was near the top of the range,

I figured I had found my optimal dose. (and felt it, too!!)

Janie

[Guest guest]

>You could be overdosing and not even notice for

> a period of time

Topper is so right on. I've seen folks on another site keep

increasing and increasing until they suddenly had bad hyper

symptoms, which can range from high blood pressure, to racing heart,

to anxiety....etc. You HAVE to give the T4 and T3 time to build.

Even though the T3 is short-lived, it does build. And you can get

into trouble. Do an increase, then wait at least 5 weeks and do

labs. Or, if you can't do labs, wait at least 5 weeks, and increase

in SMALL increments---still giving each increment time!!

Janie

[Guest guest]

OK, here are my new test results on the Armour. I actually started taking it on

the 15th. This is my result after 3 weeks. Now I feel achy like I am hypo and

have for a little over a week. Comments???

TSH 2.795 range 0.35 to 5.5

Free t4 1.02 range 0.61-1.76

Free t3 2.6 range 2.3-4.2

Re: Re: can armour work this fast?

Patty, I'm a self doser, due to lack of insurance and being a 'financial

cripple'. I've had to learn things as I go and I just wanted to pass on

some of my own observations.

When you get that first surge of feeling better.. you may want to pace

yourself a bit so that you don't over do... if you get too energetic too

fast it sometimes causes problems in that your body isn't quiet able to

keep up with what your head wants to do because you are feeling so much

better.

Dosage increases... here too be careful. Waiting 4 to 6 weeks between

dosage changes is the wise way to go, I think... so that you body has

time to adjust and also because it can take several weeks for the T4 to

build up in your system.. You could be overdosing and not even notice for

a period of time and when you do you have so much built up in your system

that you are going to have to decrease your dosage until your system can

level out again.

It's kind a like a 'one step forward two steps back' kinda deal.. it

seems to be better for a lot of us to take it slow and let our bodies

adjust comfortably and safely, we end up getting to the optimal dose much

quicker with few side effects.

HURRAY for you that you are doing better. It's wonderful to hear when

some one finally makes it to the right road and is one their way! Keep us

posted, okay?

Topper ()

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Wed, 06 Au 2003 17:01:25 -0000 " patty Blake "

writes:

> wow. Yesterday I noticed fewer body aches, and a friend commented

> " you sound so much better! " on the phone.

> Today I got on the treadmill and did 2 miles for the first time in

> WEEKS...something's happening. I feel much less depressed, though

> I can't say I'm entirely " cured. "

> But oh, boy, what a great start!

> How quickly do you increase dosage, and what are the signs of too

> big an increase?

>

> 8)

>

> woohoo!!!

[Guest guest]

You look hypo to me!

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months) and (3) & Duane(2) during regular business hours.

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> OK, here are my new test results on the Armour. I actually started taking

it on the 15th. This is my result after 3 weeks. Now I feel achy like I am

hypo and have for a little over a week. Comments???

> TSH 2.795 range 0.35 to 5.5

> Free t4 1.02 range 0.61-1.76

> Free t3 2.6 range 2.3-4.2

>

> Re: Re: can armour work this fast?

>

>

> Patty, I'm a self doser, due to lack of insurance and being a 'financial

> cripple'. I've had to learn things as I go and I just wanted to pass on

> some of my own observations.

>

> When you get that first surge of feeling better.. you may want to pace

> yourself a bit so that you don't over do... if you get too energetic too

> fast it sometimes causes problems in that your body isn't quiet able to

> keep up with what your head wants to do because you are feeling so much

> better.

>

> Dosage increases... here too be careful. Waiting 4 to 6 weeks between

> dosage changes is the wise way to go, I think... so that you body has

> time to adjust and also because it can take several weeks for the T4 to

> build up in your system.. You could be overdosing and not even notice

for

> a period of time and when you do you have so much built up in your

system

> that you are going to have to decrease your dosage until your system can

> level out again.

>

> It's kind a like a 'one step forward two steps back' kinda deal.. it

> seems to be better for a lot of us to take it slow and let our bodies

> adjust comfortably and safely, we end up getting to the optimal dose

much

> quicker with few side effects.

>

> HURRAY for you that you are doing better. It's wonderful to hear when

> some one finally makes it to the right road and is one their way! Keep

us

> posted, okay?

>

> Topper ()

> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/

> http://toppertwo.tripod.com

>

> On Wed, 06 Au 2003 17:01:25 -0000 " patty Blake "

> writes:

> > wow. Yesterday I noticed fewer body aches, and a friend commented

> > " you sound so much better! " on the phone.

> > Today I got on the treadmill and did 2 miles for the first time in

> > WEEKS...something's happening. I feel much less depressed, though

> > I can't say I'm entirely " cured. "

> > But oh, boy, what a great start!

> > How quickly do you increase dosage, and what are the signs of too

> > big an increase?

> >

> > 8)

> >

> > woohoo!!!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Others jump in here.... but to me your TSH looks high and the Frees look

a bit low...

What is your dosage? We know that if you do have some natural Thyroid

activity and your dose is too low the thyroid production decreases

because your body senses the hormone that you are taking... giving you

and overall decrease in available hormone in your system.

Topper ()

http://toppertwo.tripod.com

On Wed, 6 Aug 2003 16:26:11 -0700 " JAMY "

writes:

> OK, here are my new test results on the Armour. I actually started

> taking it on the 15th. This is my result after 3 weeks. Now I feel

> achy like I am hypo and have for a little over a week. Comments???

> TSH 2.795 range 0.35 to 5.5

> Free t4 1.02 range 0.61-1.76

> Free t3 2.6 range 2.3-4.2

[Guest guest]

>You look hypo to me!

Definitely. is right on. Even though you haven't been on the

30 mg long enough for your numbers to stabilize, if it was me, I'd

increase the Armour to one grain. Five weeks later, labs. Then

increase again based on labs. Five more weeks, labs. etc.

Janie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/7/2003 4:10:36 PM Central Standard Time,

zinatrotter@... writes:

> Janie is right about waiting at least 5 weeks. My PA had me come in

> after 30 days after she decreased my dose and the results just

> weren't accurate. It takes longer than 30 days to see where you

> really are. For example, when my PA dropped my dose, I went back in

> after 30 days and my TSH did rise, but then she let me increase my

> dose to where I was before (1 grain), since I was feeling so poorly,

> and then I went in after another 30 days and my TSH was even higher

> than the first test. Since I'd increased my Armour, my body

> obviously was taking some time to readjust itself. So, I think the

> second TSH test actually was a reflection of my decrease (my first

> adjustment). If that makes any sense.

>

> Zina

>

Doesn't this apply more to those who have not had any T4, like synthroid or

levothroid since T4 takes a whike to build up?

[Guest guest]

Janie is right about waiting at least 5 weeks. My PA had me come in

after 30 days after she decreased my dose and the results just

weren't accurate. It takes longer than 30 days to see where you

really are. For example, when my PA dropped my dose, I went back in

after 30 days and my TSH did rise, but then she let me increase my

dose to where I was before (1 grain), since I was feeling so poorly,

and then I went in after another 30 days and my TSH was even higher

than the first test. Since I'd increased my Armour, my body

obviously was taking some time to readjust itself. So, I think the

second TSH test actually was a reflection of my decrease (my first

adjustment). If that makes any sense.

Zina

> >You look hypo to me!

>

> Definitely. is right on. Even though you haven't been on the

> 30 mg long enough for your numbers to stabilize, if it was me, I'd

> increase the Armour to one grain. Five weeks later, labs. Then

> increase again based on labs. Five more weeks, labs. etc.

>

> Janie