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, So if an officer has you run a plate, it doesn't show you what agency

has recently run the plate in the response your getting? I guess this is

something else I take for granted....

We do not get that in Ohio. Now on warrants it will show us the last agency

that ran it, but not in Ohio. However Lets say we enter a tag that is

stolen, and an agency has ran that tag within the last 48hrs (i think that

is the time frame) we will get a thing back letting us know that.

Jim

Columbus Police

Columbus Ohio

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I have read with great interest the different policies for well being checks.

A few thoughts from my end...

Working on the midnite shift gives a whole new meaning to the welfare check...

First off, if it is a male/female, who decides that at 0200 hrs that it is

imperative to check on the well being of some minors (who, usually ALL the

time, end up being the shared children of the estranged) this always sends a

red flag. First off, being in the business for this long, it has made it no

problem for me to ask why all of a sudden this sudden interest in their well

being comes to mind. Second of all, does the caller sound intoxicated? All

this goes on in the back of my mind when listening to the wails of the

complainant. When it comes to welfare checks of children, when, in MY mind

it appears to be one to harass the other party with the cops being the

middleman...I have learned to do this. First off, check to see if there is

any type of temporary protection order on the caller. Or, civil protection

order. I ask for the complainants name. If they chose to give it...I ask for

their ssn. That verifies who they are...to some degree, anyways. If they

(caller) are so concerned about whom they are calling about, they usually

fess it up without a problem. Next, I make sure that they give a call back

number and address.

If these callers dont want to give up their name or etc...I tell them that I

will pass it on to my road supervisor, and THEY will be the one to decide if

we go or not. Far be it from me to let a decision like that be on my

shoulders. That is why there are road supervisors. I have learned over many

years that I cannot read the brass' minds, and why should I be the one that

gets my head on the chopping block if something isnt passed on? The whims and

fancies of the dept are not mine to make, and I'll be darned if it is going

to be me to end up with the final decision.

If it is a medical concern, we always go. If it is a snitch call, and it is

at 0300 hrs in the morning, I will tell the road supervisor, and nine times

out of ten, he will make the decision to at least drive by and make sure

nothing seems out of place. When in doubt, send em out. It is a good practice

to document everything you do, and if need be, forward the information to

childrens services,...if it appears that there is concern for the safety and

well being of minors. Passing the buck? nope. All in all, in my honest

opinion, that is what road supervisors are for. If THEY decide We dont go, it

is on them.

We on the midnites have a good working relationship with our supervisors. We

usually, in one way or another, make some sort of effort to check on

everyone, but, that is with the blessing of the supervisor. They are paid to

do it, and far be it from me to decide, from the phone end of things...to

make that decision. Saves a lot of grief. At least over here, with our

policies....

Cin in good ole Ohio

happy day...be safe~~

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><<It's not ok just to " send the unit " ... without really finding out about

the

call. >>

I may have misspoken here.

I know that it's some departments policy to " send a unit " to every call.

If that's your departments policy, they you must abide by it.

I just think it's stupid policy.

Weintraut

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, So if an officer has you run a plate, it doesn't show you what agency

has recently run the plate in the response your getting? I guess this is

something else I take for granted....

Jim

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This is a state-to-state thing...I know Massachusetts logs that info (i.e.

if I run the plate here (Vermont) then if someone in MA runs the same

plate - they will see that I queried it here in VT). But our interface here

does not give us that info, even from the states that do log it.

Diane G.

UVM PD

>

>

> , So if an officer has you run a plate, it doesn't show you what

agency

> has recently run the plate in the response your getting? I guess this is

> something else I take for granted....

>

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>I agree. I'm baffled by the departments that don't send someone. Just do

it.<

I simply don't have the resources to send units to calls

where there is absolutely no reason to send them... and it

would be poor policy, poor customer service, and a waste

of everyone's time to do so....

Ok... Here's what I meant.

I've taken a call, and through my interrogation skills, I've found that

the party requesting the " welfare check " is checking on a brother

who hasn't answered the phone in a couple of days.

( " It's not really that unusual, I'm just worried " )

There's no history of illness, nothing to indicate there is anything

amiss.

During the conversation I find there is another relation that lives a

couple of blocks away.... " has this person been contacted? "

" no "

" Please call the other relations, see if you can find out any further,

and call me back if you need assistance " .

-------------------------

Why should I send a unit to that call?

I've handled the call.

Why use a responder, who may be needed for real " customer

service " at a personal injury accident... or burglary... or domestic...

I've handled hundreds of welfare check calls just like the above over

the years... through my questioning, I've found that there was absolutely

no need to send a unit for many reasons.. harassment, misunderstanding,

or simply lonely people who needed to talk to someone, and this is the

only " complaint " they can think to file.

>I agree. I'm baffled by the departments that don't send someone. Just do

it.<

I hope I misunderstand here.

My point is that you should never " just send someone " until you've done

the proper questioning and found out that exactly what type of call you have,

and exactly what response is needed.

Sometimes the proper response is.... none.... simply because you've taken

care of the call yourself, or there is no valid " call " to start with.

If there is the slightest chance that it is a warranted call...a true

condition

where a " welfare check " needs to be taken, I will not hesitate for a

moment to send someone.

But I won't " send someone " simply to clear a call sheet.

I know dispatchers (I don't think you're one of those Jim) who simply

take the call... fill out a sheet... send a unit.. mark a disposition.. and

think they are doing their job.

They are not.

This " Take 'em & Send 'em " attitude causes many problems for officers

and dispatchers alike.

Weintraut

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>I agree. I'm baffled by the departments that don't send someone. Just do

it.<

I simply don't have the resources to send units to calls

where there is absolutely no reason to send them... and it

would be poor policy, poor customer service, and a waste

of everyone's time to do so....

Ok... Here's what I meant.

I've taken a call, and through my interrogation skills, I've found that

the party requesting the " welfare check " is checking on a brother

who hasn't answered the phone in a couple of days.

( " It's not really that unusual, I'm just worried " )

There's no history of illness, nothing to indicate there is anything

amiss.

During the conversation I find there is another relation that lives a

couple of blocks away.... " has this person been contacted? "

" no "

" Please call the other relations, see if you can find out any further,

and call me back if you need assistance " .

-------------------------

Why should I send a unit to that call?

I've handled the call.

Why use a responder, who may be needed for real " customer

service " at a personal injury accident... or burglary... or domestic...

I've handled hundreds of welfare check calls just like the above over

the years... through my questioning, I've found that there was absolutely

no need to send a unit for many reasons.. harassment, misunderstanding,

or simply lonely people who needed to talk to someone, and this is the

only " complaint " they can think to file.

>I agree. I'm baffled by the departments that don't send someone. Just do

it.<

I hope I misunderstand here.

My point is that you should never " just send someone " until you've done

the proper questioning and found out that exactly what type of call you have,

and exactly what response is needed.

Sometimes the proper response is.... none.... simply because you've taken

care of the call yourself, or there is no valid " call " to start with.

If there is the slightest chance that it is a warranted call...a true

condition

where a " welfare check " needs to be taken, I will not hesitate for a

moment to send someone.

But I won't " send someone " simply to clear a call sheet.

I know dispatchers (I don't think you're one of those Jim) who simply

take the call... fill out a sheet... send a unit.. mark a disposition.. and

think they are doing their job.

They are not.

This " Take 'em & Send 'em " attitude causes many problems for officers

and dispatchers alike.

Weintraut

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Working for a campus police department, we have gone to the local hospitals

to transport students, who are treated and released, back to campus or to

their apartments. We check with the supervisor first. If we are busy,

then we call the student life staff member on call who will make

arrangements.

We don't have that many. Usually, they are in the hospital longer, since

the medical center on campus handles most minor emergencies. But

periodically, a student involved in a bike or traffic accident will be

treated and released.

annette hallmark

tamu utilities (formerly UPD)

> Re: 911:: Welfare Checks

Along these same lines, does anyone

> offer rides home from the local hospital for those that ask. I'm not

> speaking of the elderly or those who would need a medical transport

home.

> I'm talking about those that call the police just like they'd call the

local

> taxi except we won't charge the $20.

>

> Patty

>

> BTPD NJ

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Working for a campus police department, we have gone to the local hospitals

to transport students, who are treated and released, back to campus or to

their apartments. We check with the supervisor first. If we are busy,

then we call the student life staff member on call who will make

arrangements.

We don't have that many. Usually, they are in the hospital longer, since

the medical center on campus handles most minor emergencies. But

periodically, a student involved in a bike or traffic accident will be

treated and released.

annette hallmark

tamu utilities (formerly UPD)

> Re: 911:: Welfare Checks

Along these same lines, does anyone

> offer rides home from the local hospital for those that ask. I'm not

> speaking of the elderly or those who would need a medical transport

home.

> I'm talking about those that call the police just like they'd call the

local

> taxi except we won't charge the $20.

>

> Patty

>

> BTPD NJ

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In a message dated 1/22/02 9:23:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kjkinsey@... writes:

> " Gosh, I don't know ANYTHING about the Constitution. "

> She took the money she'd already won and left. I was in shock, guess I

> shouldn't be, since I spend so much time explaining the 4th amendment to

> people, the 1st amendment runs a close second in time spent explaining. I

> just wish they'd use the 5th a little more and remain silent! LOL

>

>

My favorites are the bird brains that Jay Leno stops on the street! I'm

still not sure that I believe these people aren't actually actors because I'm

too afraid to believe there are that many incredibly stupid people running

loose out there!

Patty

BTPD NJ

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In a message dated 1/22/02 9:23:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kjkinsey@... writes:

> " Gosh, I don't know ANYTHING about the Constitution. "

> She took the money she'd already won and left. I was in shock, guess I

> shouldn't be, since I spend so much time explaining the 4th amendment to

> people, the 1st amendment runs a close second in time spent explaining. I

> just wish they'd use the 5th a little more and remain silent! LOL

>

>

My favorites are the bird brains that Jay Leno stops on the street! I'm

still not sure that I believe these people aren't actually actors because I'm

too afraid to believe there are that many incredibly stupid people running

loose out there!

Patty

BTPD NJ

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Jim, it used to be 48 hours, NCIC upgraded the " delayed queue " (that's what

they call it) to 5 days.

Re: 911:: Welfare Checks

> We do not get that in Ohio. Now on warrants it will show us the last

agency

> that ran it, but not in Ohio. However Lets say we enter a tag that is

> stolen, and an agency has ran that tag within the last 48hrs (i think that

> is the time frame) we will get a thing back letting us know that.

>

>

> Jim

> Columbus Police

> Columbus Ohio

>

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Jim, it used to be 48 hours, NCIC upgraded the " delayed queue " (that's what

they call it) to 5 days.

Re: 911:: Welfare Checks

> We do not get that in Ohio. Now on warrants it will show us the last

agency

> that ran it, but not in Ohio. However Lets say we enter a tag that is

> stolen, and an agency has ran that tag within the last 48hrs (i think that

> is the time frame) we will get a thing back letting us know that.

>

>

> Jim

> Columbus Police

> Columbus Ohio

>

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I'm with Patty here....I was almost in shock the other night, turned on the

TV to watch a show, was a couple of minutes early and caught the end of a

game show. The category was " The Constitution " and the contestant--a

nice-looking, middle-aged woman most likely from a middle-class

neighborhood--said, " Gosh, I don't know ANYTHING about the Constitution. "

She took the money she'd already won and left. I was in shock, guess I

shouldn't be, since I spend so much time explaining the 4th amendment to

people, the 1st amendment runs a close second in time spent explaining. I

just wish they'd use the 5th a little more and remain silent! LOL

>

> I'm sure you have all had the pleasure of a caller or two that obviously

> watches way too much TV and is under the impression that their local

police

> have the same blanket powers and resources as NYPD Blue.

>

> I think the public needs to be TOLD what the police will do. Most have no

> clue what a police officer does all day and quite honestly I don't think

most

> of them care. As long as they get a cop the instant they call, no matter

how

> trivial the problem is.

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I'm with Patty here....I was almost in shock the other night, turned on the

TV to watch a show, was a couple of minutes early and caught the end of a

game show. The category was " The Constitution " and the contestant--a

nice-looking, middle-aged woman most likely from a middle-class

neighborhood--said, " Gosh, I don't know ANYTHING about the Constitution. "

She took the money she'd already won and left. I was in shock, guess I

shouldn't be, since I spend so much time explaining the 4th amendment to

people, the 1st amendment runs a close second in time spent explaining. I

just wish they'd use the 5th a little more and remain silent! LOL

>

> I'm sure you have all had the pleasure of a caller or two that obviously

> watches way too much TV and is under the impression that their local

police

> have the same blanket powers and resources as NYPD Blue.

>

> I think the public needs to be TOLD what the police will do. Most have no

> clue what a police officer does all day and quite honestly I don't think

most

> of them care. As long as they get a cop the instant they call, no matter

how

> trivial the problem is.

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>That " condition " may not be known by the caller. What if it's a hunch or

intuition on the family members part? Even if it takes 3 hours for the

officer to get there because of other high priority calls, so be it.<

Jim,

From what I read in your post, you have plenty of personnel to

respond to these types of calls.

And that's fantastic, I wish every department had the dispatch

and road personnel to really get into the " customer service "

aspect of what we do.

(Let me qualify that.... I wish we did, up to a point... I think some

departments are going a little too far in this direction, and it's

taking the focus away from what our real priorities should be.)

But due to the huge majority of non-emergency calls that pour

into 9-1-1 centers, most have to really juggle their resources,

(civilian and enforcement) simply to answer the calls that REALLY

require a response.

I'll guarantee you if I told a requesting family member that it

would be approximately 3 hours (or in my department's case

maybe the next day) before I could send someone

to their " welfare check " , it would end up causing me more

problems than if I told them we simply don't have the

personnel, and they would have to make other arrangements.

Most of the time they can... It's just easier to call the police...

Weintraut

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We go on all requests for welfare checks -- even one like the other day, ok,

follow with me, neice in Idaho has an uncle in San Francisco who is divorced

with cousins of the neice somewhere in the Bay Area, can't reach the uncle

cause he's in the hospital, can't find the cousins so wants to get a message

to the divorced aunt to see if she can reach her kids to tell them about

their dad. Its not REALLY a welfare check -- when we couldn't find a number

to call we sent a unit to her address and provided the information. Now it

took a bit to get there cause we had higher priority calls waiting but we

went. Its part of our community policing.

<< If a person calls requesting a welfare check on an over-due person that is

over the legal age of consent, but has no basis to believe any harm has come

to them, how does your agency justify looking for them? They have broken no

laws and can

(pretty much) do what they want when they want. >>

Customer service and outreach to the community to show we do more than write

tickets.

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