Re: [low carb diet]

[Guest guest]

Well, Susie, I think you might have approved of my dinner. I craving tuna, raw

cauliflower and green peppers with dip, and an apple for dinner. <g> Two-hour pp

reading was 107.

Teri

Re: [low carb diet]

Kim Derry writes:

I tease my friend Teri about this, Kim.

[Guest guest]

Teri wrote:

<< Well, Susie, I think you might have approved of my dinner. I had tuna,

raw cauliflower and green peppers with dip, and an apple for dinner. <g>

Two-hour pp reading was 107. >>

You go, grrrl! ) I always said you are eating way lower-carb than you

think you are. Great job!

Hugs,

Susie

[Guest guest]

LOL! You know me, Susie. It sounded good, I knew it was stuff that was healthy

in general, it made a balanced meal, so I ate it. I don't really count anything

but the points on my glucose readings. I'm not even counting exchanges any more

because I never use them all anyway. Seems to me that it becomes second nature

after awhile. We know how much of what we should be eating.

I can't say that I was a particularly disciplined person today when it came to

three meals and a regular schedule. Breakfast was just coffee today. Lunch was a

biscuit, a slice of ham, a slice of low-fat cheese, and some strawberries.

Teri

Re: [low carb diet]

Teri wrote:

<< Well, Susie, I think you might have approved of my dinner. I had tuna,

raw cauliflower and green peppers with dip, and an apple for dinner. <g>

Two-hour pp reading was 107. >>

You go, grrrl! ) I always said you are eating way lower-carb than you

think you are. Great job!

Hugs,

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-03-29 05:25:09 EST, you write:

<< My Dad doesn't want to get tested, and is tired often. I offered to

test him with my meter, but he didn't want to do that either. I wish he

would get tested, so he (and I) would know one way or the other. My Mom

wants hm to get tested too, but has stopped asking him. >>

Boy, Bill, that's too bad about your father not wanting to be tested. A good

example of sticking-head-in-the-sand syndrome. If it turns out he's been

diabetic all along, he's going to wish he'd been tested earlier down the

road when all the Really Bad Stuff starts to happen. I think that's one of

the most insidious things about this disease...that you can have it for a

long time without any problems, thus making it easy to ignore...then WHAM!

suddenly it's heart problems, kidney problems, neuropathy, amputation, ,

blindness, etc. etc. Vicki

[Guest guest]

Dave's " Way to go Bill " was probably referring to my BG of 95 and the fact I do

not low carb. We're letting the whole list know that it is possible to eat a

BALANCED DIET, take the prescribed drugs, and have a good A1C. Still, I would

like to see the " research " the ADA has done that says low carb is bad. And to

be of ANY value, the research can not be done by or funded by any company with

ties to any drug manufactures . Low Carbing might work for some, but some what

to eat " normal " food. The secret is in moderation. I did not eat 2 or more

baked potatoes and also did not have any bread or pasta.

There are low carb list, and the constant low carbing is why I did unsubscribe

from the list for a while. There are other options I can do besides

unsubscribing, such as blocking email from the low carb preachers.

Re: [low carb diet]

Bill Eastman yelled:

<< I do NOT low carb >>

And Dave O. cheered:

<< Way to go Bill! (I'm not low carb either) >>

Diet is supposed to be our initial and primary treatment method. If you two

choose not to follow that approach, I see no reason to yell and cheer about

it.

Susie

[Guest guest]

I got diagnosed early too. My endo that's dropping all HMOs thinks my PCP

diagnosed my Type 2 diabetes in the beginning. I had requested a blood check

because high cholestrol runs in my family. No one up to me had ever been

diagnosed with Type 2 diabetes, but that doesn't mean they didn't have it. I

weighed over 9 pounds when I was born. My Mom has been tested for Type 2

diabetes several times. My Dad doesn't want to get tested, and is tired often.

I offered to test him with my meter, but he didn't want to do that either. I

wish he would get tested, so he (and I) would know one way or the other. My Mom

wants hm to get tested too, but has stopped asking him.

Re: [low carb diet]

Kim Derry writes:

<< I am following the ADA food exchange diet. I cut the carbs down a bit

and consider myself to be moderate carb. I am on 500 mg of glucophage twice

daily and have fasting bg's from around 90 - 112/115. My after meals rarely

go up to or over 140. I exercise daily alternating swimming with walking.

You do not necessarily have to low-carb in order to have your diabetes under

good control. >>

I tease my friend Teri about this, Kim. I tell her her pancreas is

pretty and pink, while mine is grey and shriveled. She is years younger than

me, and was diagnosed early, while I went for years undiagnosed. Your

pancreas is still huffing and puffing, while mine is sputtering. You are

right in that we are all in different states. But the thing to remember is

that if you baby your pancreas now, by restricting your carbohydrate intake,

it's possible you could go for a lifetime without getting in really bad

shape. If you keep eating the carbohydrates, your pancreas - " The Little

Train That Could " - will probably poop out and you'll wind up like me.

<< It depends on your body and how it reacts to carbs. >>

Diabetes is not a static disease. Even now, as you eat your carbs, your

pancreas beta cells are being overtaxed and you'll eventually wind up like

me, most likely. You can restrict your carbs now, to save your pancreas ...

or you will be forced to restrict your carbs later.

<< If I ate all the meat, cheese and eggs that many low-carber's do, I'd be

afraid of what it would do to my cholesterol level. >>

Most of us improve our cholesterol and triglycerides - and even blood

pressure numbers when we restrict our carbs. And that's because we improve

our diabetes control by doing so. And diabetes is the 800-pound gorilla.

It's the cause of many of our health problems, including heart attacks and

strokes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

It was 91

The trip to Nashville was DEFINATELY WORTH IT!

Re: [low carb diet]

In a message dated 01-03-28 23:53:12 EST, you write:

<< I'll see in the morning what that brings the BG to >>

Let us know too, Bill. :-) Vicki

[Guest guest]

> It was 91

> The trip to Nashville was DEFINATELY WORTH IT!

**That's great, Bill. I'm glad you found the XR and it's working so well

for you.

Barb

[Guest guest]

Susie,

I am not eating tons of carbs. I am not eating high carbs. I am not

beating my pancreas up because I am not doing low carb like you. I am doing

moderate carbs.

Kim Derry

>

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: <diabetes_int >

>Subject: Re: [low carb diet]

>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:43:36 -0700

>

>Kim Derry writes:

>

><< I am following the ADA food exchange diet. I cut the carbs down a bit

>and consider myself to be moderate carb. I am on 500 mg of glucophage

>twice

>daily and have fasting bg's from around 90 - 112/115. My after meals

>rarely

>go up to or over 140. I exercise daily alternating swimming with walking.

>You do not necessarily have to low-carb in order to have your diabetes

>under

>good control. >>

>

>I tease my friend Teri about this, Kim. I tell her her pancreas is

>pretty and pink, while mine is grey and shriveled. She is years younger

>than

>me, and was diagnosed early, while I went for years undiagnosed. Your

>pancreas is still huffing and puffing, while mine is sputtering. You are

>right in that we are all in different states. But the thing to remember is

>that if you baby your pancreas now, by restricting your carbohydrate

>intake,

>it's possible you could go for a lifetime without getting in really bad

>shape. If you keep eating the carbohydrates, your pancreas - " The Little

>Train That Could " - will probably poop out and you'll wind up like me.

>

><< It depends on your body and how it reacts to carbs. >>

>

>Diabetes is not a static disease. Even now, as you eat your carbs, your

>pancreas beta cells are being overtaxed and you'll eventually wind up like

>me, most likely. You can restrict your carbs now, to save your pancreas ...

>or you will be forced to restrict your carbs later.

>

><< If I ate all the meat, cheese and eggs that many low-carber's do, I'd be

>afraid of what it would do to my cholesterol level. >>

>

>Most of us improve our cholesterol and triglycerides - and even blood

>pressure numbers when we restrict our carbs. And that's because we improve

>our diabetes control by doing so. And diabetes is the 800-pound gorilla.

>It's the cause of many of our health problems, including heart attacks and

>strokes.

>

>Susie

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[Guest guest]

Eat more veggies!! Zucchini, cabbage, salads, brussels sprouts, etc. If

you really need something that is close to starch, try spaghetti squash.

Robin G.

>From: jacobeluzer@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: [low carb diet]

>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:42:06 -0000

>

>My wife is going to a very good dietitian and she believes in a well

>balanced diet. not to leave out any thing. but I see here that most

>of you try to stick to a low carb. diet.

>I can not think of any way to be satisfied with out carb.

>What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

>potatoes, pasta, etc.

>Does any one have some idea??

>

>

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[Guest guest]

That was a very good post, Teri, and thanks. Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-29 09:31:48 EST, you write:

<< What I've done in reality, is work toward BALANCED nutrition, including

foods from all the food groups, BUT testing, testing, testing at first to

know what foods raised my bg levels more than I'm willing to accept. Those

foods, no matter what group they're from, I choose not to eat. I've also

learned what foods result in an acceptable 2-hour pp level ONLY if they're

eaten as part of a BALANCED meal. >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you i joined, need some way to cook low carb

thank you for sending the link it worked

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: [low carb diet]

Try this

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CelebrateLowCarb

[Guest guest]

The Balanced Diet approach is probably closest to what I use, though for myself

I prefer the words " Balanced Nutrition. " It's a personal thing, I guess, but the

word " diet " has such negative connotations for me that I have chosen not to do

it. To me, the word diet also tends to evoke thoughts of something that is

temporary, and my way of eating is hardly temporary.

I've asked my doctor about the theory stated on the list about my continued

consumption of carbs wearing out my pancreas. He disagrees. He's checked my

insulin levels twice now, two years apart, and the testing shows the level to be

" low normal, " the actual number exactly the same. He says it's not a matter of

how much insulin my pancreas is producing, but whether or how my body is able to

use it. He said that my pancreatic function MAY decline, but that how I achieve

my acceptable glucose levels now won't affect that. What he has repeatedly told

me to do is to work to CONSISTENTLY maintain these levels as closely as

possible:

-- a.m. fasting: 110 or below

-- 2 hour post prandial: 120 or below

I started out saying I follow the ADA pyramid plan. Susie has always, out of

concern for me, encouraged me to lower carb intake. What I've done in reality,

is work toward BALANCED nutrition, including foods from all the food groups, BUT

testing, testing, testing at first to know what foods raised my bg levels more

than I'm willing to accept. Those foods, no matter what group they're from, I

choose not to eat. I've also learned what foods result in an acceptable 2-hour

pp level ONLY if they're eaten as part of a BALANCED meal.

I don't count carbs. There are some days when I'm sure that count would be

higher than others, but Susie has noted that many days, if I were counting

carbs, the count would be low.

Just doing my best to do what makes my body healthier and happier -- that's all

I know to do.

Teri

Teri

Re: [low carb diet]

Dave's " Way to go Bill " was probably referring to my BG of 95 and the fact I

do not low carb. We're letting the whole list know that it is possible to eat a

BALANCED DIET, take the prescribed drugs, and have a good A1C. Still, I would

like to see the " research " the ADA has done that says low carb is bad. And to

be of ANY value, the research can not be done by or funded by any company with

ties to any drug manufactures . Low Carbing might work for some, but some what

to eat " normal " food. The secret is in moderation. I did not eat 2 or more

baked potatoes and also did not have any bread or pasta.

[Guest guest]

Bill can i trade body systems with you please, for my system if i would have

just ate the chilie i would spike over 400 i am crying boo hoo, hope you enjoyed

that meal cause i did enjoy reading it at least.

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: [low carb diet]

Bill Eastman wrote:

>

> I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take

2000 mg Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in a

long time...While at the TCOYD conference in Nashville, I talked to a drug rep

from BMS and they said Glucophage XR should be taken with dinner at night...NOT

with breakfast (what my Endo prescribed). I called my Endo and he said I could

switch to night if I wanted to. It works, so in answer to your previous

question about if the trip to Nashville was worth it, I say YES.

Way to go Bill! (I'm not low carb either)

--

Dave - 9:43:25 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, NPH, H

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

Hard work must have killed someone!

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http://dorcutt.homepage.com

[Guest guest]

It depends on how each individual's body reacts to these foods. The answer is in

testing after meals to find out. I still sometimes have small servings of rice,

potatoes, and pasta, but ONLY as part of a balanced meal.

Teri

>From: jacobeluzer@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: [low carb diet]

>Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 22:42:06 -0000

>

>My wife is going to a very good dietitian and she believes in a well

>balanced diet. not to leave out any thing. but I see here that most

>of you try to stick to a low carb. diet.

>I can not think of any way to be satisfied with out carb.

>What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

>potatoes, pasta, etc.

>Does any one have some idea??

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/28/01 10:34:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, teri@...

writes:

> I can't say that I was a particularly disciplined person today when it came

> to three meals and a regular schedule. Breakfast was just coffee today.

Lunch

> was a biscuit, a slice of ham, a slice of low-fat cheese, and some

> strawberries.

>

Gee, Teri,

Some of us may say that you're not eating enough!

Carol T

[Guest guest]

IM new to this list... IM a low carber but am very interested in how others

control their bg levels.....IM very familiar with all low carb product sites,

recipes, and groups...... I low carb more for appetite control than for any

other reason...IM a sugar addict and my mouth waters by a mear piece of

bread coming its way ... lol... I may have to eat this way forever but Id

like to hear what other type 11's who are heavy eat and still stay in

control......

[Guest guest]

Teri,

We all have to do what works for us.

Just like any other slightly compulsive person trying to control bgs <g>, I'm

always looking for some way to tweak my diet and still eat yummy, healthy

foods that don't take too much prep time. My weight has been at the same

point for about 6 months, so I started to eat 5 minimeals instead of 3 larger

ones. Each meal tends to be about 200 - 250 calories, give or take a few. I'm

vertically challenged (petite?)and still have about 20+ lbs to lose out of an

original 100+. I eat between 90 - 120 grams of carb/day (this includes at

least 30 grams of fiber) and focus on leaner proteins and healthy fats.

Each minimeal includes fat, protein and carb. My fbgs are always 90 - 102 and

my 2 hr pp bgs are around 85 - 90.

Today's breakfast....2 boca burgers with a bit of creamed horseradish (I was

in a hurry)

Mid morning (while teaching) apple, string cheese

Lunch: (in the car) LC tortilla wrap with lettuce, tomato and turkey. More

vegies to nibble on the side

mid afternoon snack will be a bowl of homemade vegie soup with some tempeh in

it

Dinner: chicken enchilada made with lc tortilla, small salad.

Exciting news.....after switching to " minimeals " my weight started to drop

again.

Carol T

In a message dated 3/29/01 1:01:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, teri@...

writes:

> LOL! On a normal day, there would have been probably an egg, slice of ham,

> and slice of toast for breakfast. Some days, there is some yogurt for an

> afternoon snack and a small serving of Breyer's no-sugar-added ice cream

for

> an evening snack if my numbers are ok. I'm frustrated that my weight is

> staying steady rather than declining, but with these migraines, I haven't

> felt like exercising, so won't complain.

[Guest guest]

Bill Eastman wrote:

<< We're letting the whole list know that it is possible to eat a BALANCED

DIET, take the prescribed drugs, and have a good A1C. >>

My intake is pretty evenly divided between carbohydrates, fats and proteins.

Your diet, as far as I can tell, is lopsided, with an overabundance of

carbohydrates. Count your food grams for a week, to see for yourself.

You've just seen the study that cardiac patients on insulin have a much

greater death rate if they are on insulin. And your cholesterol/lipids

numbers are not where you want them to be - another indicator that the diet

you have chosen is not ideal for your health status.

<< Low Carbing might work for some, but some want to eat " normal " food. >>

There is nothing " normal " about our modern diet. It's mostly overprocessed

crap. A recent study showed that potato chips and french fries comprise

ONE-THIRD of the typical U.S. teenager's diet! We humans have evolved over

centuries. We have short digestive tracts, closer to those of carnivores

than of herbivores. We evolved eating things raw, or lightly cooked. We need

to think about how our bodies are " put together " when we make food

selections.

<< The secret is in moderation. I did not eat 2 or more baked potatoes and

also did not have any bread or pasta. >>

One baked potato is at least a half-cup of sugar. That is not my idea of

" moderation. "

<< There are low carb list, and the constant low carbing is why I did

unsubscribe from the list for a while. There are other options I can do

besides unsubscribing, such as blocking email from the low carb preachers.

>>

Do whatever you wish, Bill. We are diabetics. The safest treatment method

available to us is modifying our diet. I'll never stop sharing that message

with my fellow diabetics.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Kim Derry writes:

<< I am not eating tons of carbs. I am not eating high carbs. I am not

beating my pancreas up because I am not doing low carb like you. I am doing

moderate carbs. >>

I'm not " low-carb " either, Kim. I try to keep it at/below 100 grams a day. I

consider that " moderate-carb. " I can't discuss your diet because I don't

know the details. How many grams of carbs a day do you eat?

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/29/01 2:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,

RainbowFarm@... writes:

> That's really interesting, Carol. I know I eat much less when I snack

> throughout the day, than when I have 3 scheduled meals. I only need to

lose

> the 5 pounds I picked up over the winter holidays, but I too have hit a

> wall. Will try it your way with mini meals.

>

Barb,

Maybe just trying something different will get things moving again! I really

didn't think it was going to make a difference, but I figured, Heck, it can't

hurt!

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Vicki. It's just what works for me.

Teri

Re: [low carb diet]

That was a very good post, Teri, and thanks. Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-29 09:31:48 EST, you write:

<< What I've done in reality, is work toward BALANCED nutrition, including

foods from all the food groups, BUT testing, testing, testing at first to

know what foods raised my bg levels more than I'm willing to accept. Those

foods, no matter what group they're from, I choose not to eat. I've also

learned what foods result in an acceptable 2-hour pp level ONLY if they're

eaten as part of a BALANCED meal. >>

[Guest guest]

LOL! On a normal day, there would have been probably an egg, slice of ham, and

slice of toast for breakfast. Some days, there is some yogurt for an afternoon

snack and a small serving of Breyer's no-sugar-added ice cream for an evening

snack if my numbers are ok. I'm frustrated that my weight is staying steady

rather than declining, but with these migraines, I haven't felt like exercising,

so won't complain.

Teri

Re: [low carb diet]

In a message dated 3/28/01 10:34:27 PM Pacific Standard Time, teri@...

writes:

> I can't say that I was a particularly disciplined person today when it came

> to three meals and a regular schedule. Breakfast was just coffee today.

Lunch

> was a biscuit, a slice of ham, a slice of low-fat cheese, and some

> strawberries.

>

Gee, Teri,

Some of us may say that you're not eating enough!

Carol T

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 03/29/2001 3:38:07 PM Central Standard Time,

yalegirls@... writes:

<< I may have to eat this way forever but Id

like to hear what other type 11's who are heavy eat and still stay in

control...... >>

The thing that keeps me most in control is exercise. When i started I just

walked on the treadmill.....Now I can really go and go for a long time.

Almost a fast jog...

When I exercise my appetite is more in control. And I have lost 50 pounds in

one year

ressy

[Guest guest]

> Each minimeal includes fat, protein and carb. My fbgs are always 90 - 102

and

> my 2 hr pp bgs are around 85 - 90.

> <snip>

> Exciting news.....after switching to " minimeals " my weight started to drop

> again.

That's really interesting, Carol. I know I eat much less when I snack

throughout the day, than when I have 3 scheduled meals. I only need to lose

the 5 pounds I picked up over the winter holidays, but I too have hit a

wall. Will try it your way with mini meals.

Barb