Re: [low carb diet]

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In a message dated 03/28/2001 4:44:25 PM Central Standard Time,

jacobeluzer@... writes:

<< What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

potatoes, pasta, etc.

Does any one have some idea?? >>

Currently I am having chicken in a wine and caper sauce and zuchini cut long

ways and stuffed with a mixture of mushroom, mayo and swiss cheese. I see no

need for pasta or stuff as I will be pretty well stuffed after this!!

ressy

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In a message dated 3/28/01 5:44:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jacobeluzer@... writes:

<< My wife is going to a very good dietitian and she believes in a well

balanced diet. not to leave out any thing. but I see here that most

of you try to stick to a low carb. diet.

I can not think of any way to be satisfied with out carb.

What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

potatoes, pasta, etc.

Does any one have some idea?? >>

Well the ADA teaches Dieticians to be teaching us well balanced, full of all

the food groups diet.... and i tried that, as most of us did... and it just

didnt work.

I've eliminated the bread and cereals group almost entirely, and also the

fruits i've cut WAY back on, maybe half a serving a week or so.... i eat

primarily protein, meat, cheese, eggs, and also veggies the low starch, low

carb ones. broccoli, califlower, cabbage, brusselsprouts, greenbeans, etc, i

run from the corn, peas, beets veggies

Serve...... meat, and salad, cooked veggies, also califlower cooked well

and blenderized, or riced and then with half and half(less carbs than milk)

and butter works well..... as a fake mashed potatoes, esp if you add some

cheese and or garlic to them.

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>What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

>potatoes, pasta, etc.

>Does any one have some idea??

***These are the worst for spiking my bg's. I do not eat any of what we

call " the white stuff " rice, potatoes, pasta, bread, cereal, etc. I would

not have good control, if I ate any of this. For me it comes down to a

choice of something good to eat that will spike my blood sugar and kidney

dialysis or blindness or amputation. I can't think of anything I like to

eat enough that these complications are worth it. It's my life and I want

to live it healthily.

Barb

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wrote:

<< What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice, potatoes,

pasta, etc. >>

I admit, it's confusing to be hit with all this new information, .

Restaurants always load up the plate with carbohydrates ... rolls, rice,

potatoes, pasta, and sweets. I just ask them to give me more vegetables

rather than the " white stuff, " and they've never objected. To give you some

eating ideas, here's a great list to subscribe to. You will get a newsletter

every two to four weeks with yummy low-carb recipes.

Susie

List owner: DBauer7997@...

Send recipes, questions, and suggestions to: BornLoser2794@...

Shortcut URL to this page:

http://www.onelist.com/community/CelebrateLowCarb.com

Subscribe: CelebrateLowCarb-subscribeonelist

Unsubscribe: CelebrateLowCarb-unsubscribeonelist

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Barb, he ask what are some good alturitives to the white stuff, any good ideas.

green beans, broccili, cauliflower, saild greens, stir fry veggies

a few i can think of but read you lables thats the most inportant thing you can

do in my books

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: [low carb diet]

>What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

>potatoes, pasta, etc.

>Does any one have some idea??

***These are the worst for spiking my bg's. I do not eat any of what we

call " the white stuff " rice, potatoes, pasta, bread, cereal, etc. I would

not have good control, if I ate any of this. For me it comes down to a

choice of something good to eat that will spike my blood sugar and kidney

dialysis or blindness or amputation. I can't think of anything I like to

eat enough that these complications are worth it. It's my life and I want

to live it healthily.

Barb

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susie, it says oops there is not a group called celebratelowcarb.com any ideas

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: [low carb diet]

wrote:

<< What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice, potatoes,

pasta, etc. >>

I admit, it's confusing to be hit with all this new information, .

Restaurants always load up the plate with carbohydrates ... rolls, rice,

potatoes, pasta, and sweets. I just ask them to give me more vegetables

rather than the " white stuff, " and they've never objected. To give you some

eating ideas, here's a great list to subscribe to. You will get a newsletter

every two to four weeks with yummy low-carb recipes.

Susie

List owner: DBauer7997@...

Send recipes, questions, and suggestions to: BornLoser2794@...

Shortcut URL to this page:

http://www.onelist.com/community/CelebrateLowCarb.com

Subscribe: CelebrateLowCarb-subscribeonelist

Unsubscribe: CelebrateLowCarb-unsubscribeonelist

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Glenna,

You should be able to send an e-mail to:

diabetes_int-subscribe

(You can copy/paste that into your e-mail.) And just type Subscribe in the

Subject line and in the body of the e-mail.

Susie

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Oh wow ... did I mess up that post! Let me try it again, Glenna. I meant to

say to send an e-mail to:

CelebrateLowCarb-subscribeonelist

Susie \

[Guest guest]

I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take 2000

mg Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in a long

time...While at the TCOYD conference in Nashville, I talked to a drug rep from

BMS and they said Glucophage XR should be taken with dinner at night...NOT with

breakfast (what my Endo prescribed). I called my Endo and he said I could

switch to night if I wanted to. It works, so in answer to your previous

question about if the trip to Nashville was worth it, I say YES.

[low carb diet]

My wife is going to a very good dietitian and she believes in a well

balanced diet. not to leave out any thing. but I see here that most

of you try to stick to a low carb. diet.

I can not think of any way to be satisfied with out carb.

What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

potatoes, pasta, etc.

Does any one have some idea??

[Guest guest]

Try this

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CelebrateLowCarb

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-03-28 23:53:12 EST, you write:

<< I'll see in the morning what that brings the BG to >>

Let us know too, Bill. :-) Vicki

[Guest guest]

thanks susie

glenna

http://www.geocities.com/barnie_64/FAMILY.html

Re: [low carb diet]

Oh wow ... did I mess up that post! Let me try it again, Glenna. I meant to

say to send an e-mail to:

CelebrateLowCarb-subscribeonelist

Susie \

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> I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take

2000 mg >Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in

a long time...

**Hey, Bill, that's just great!

Barb

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Thanks Barb. I also take 15 mg Actos in the morning.

Still expermenting for my cholestrol. BP and BG are under control. The same

BMS rep told me I should try Provocol and Niaspan. I told her I just changed

medications a week ago and wanted to gine the new combo a chance to work.

My Endo is DROPPING ALL HMO's effective the end of April. I found a new endo

for a short time...I plan to switch back to the one I've been seeing during open

enrollment. I'll go to a PPO instead of HMO if I have to. I'm going to read

all the fine print and list of doctors. If this combo of meds for cholestrol

doesn't work, I'll try Provocol.

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> I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take

2000 mg >Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in

a long time...

**Hey, Bill, that's just great!

Barb

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Poached salmon, broccoli pureed with garlic, a little cream and parmesan

cheese, and coconut pudding made with unsweetened coconut, splenda, cream

and eggs for dessert.

Keli

Re: [low carb diet]

> In a message dated 03/28/2001 4:44:25 PM Central Standard Time,

> jacobeluzer@... writes:

>

> << What would you serve for a side dish for supper usually rice,

> potatoes, pasta, etc.

> Does any one have some idea?? >>

>

> Currently I am having chicken in a wine and caper sauce and zuchini cut

long

> ways and stuffed with a mixture of mushroom, mayo and swiss cheese. I see

no

> need for pasta or stuff as I will be pretty well stuffed after this!!

> ressy

>

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I am following the ADA food exchange diet. I cut the carbs down a bit and

consider myself to be moderate carb. I am on 500 mg of glucophage twice

daily and have fasting bg's from around 90 - 112/115. My after meals rarely

go up to or over 140. I exercise daily alternating swimming with walking.

You do not necessarily have to low-carb in order to have your diabetes under

good control. It depends on your body and how it reacts to carbs. I do

occasionally eat potatoes or peas or a bowl of cereal for breakfast. Not as

much as I used to, but with common sense, I still can. If I ate all the

meat, cheese and eggs that many low-carber's do, I'd be afraid of what it

would do to my cholesterol level. The low-carb may be the only thing that

works for some people, but for me I don't have to go to that extreme.

Kim Derry

>Well the ADA teaches Dieticians to be teaching us well balanced, full of

>all the food groups diet.... and i tried that, as most of us did... and it

>just didnt work. I've eliminated the bread and cereals group almost

>entirely, and also the fruits i've cut WAY back on, maybe half a serving a

>week or so.... i eat primarily protein, meat, cheese, eggs, and also

>veggies the low starch, low carb ones. broccoli, califlower, cabbage,

>brusselsprouts, greenbeans, etc, i run from the corn, peas, beets veggies

> Serve...... meat, and salad, cooked veggies, also califlower cooked

>well and blenderized, or riced and then with half and half(less carbs than

>milk) and butter works well..... as a fake mashed potatoes, esp if you add

>some cheese and or garlic to them. >

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Tonight I had a baked potato (with everything), salad with 1000 island dressing,

4 aaltine crackers, and chilli. I'll see in the morning what that brings the BG

to. I had a glass of water to drink with dinner, and a few cups of coffee

(black) after dinner.

Re: [low carb diet]

Bill Eastman wrote:

>

> I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take

2000 mg Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in a

long time...While at the TCOYD conference in Nashville, I talked to a drug rep

from BMS and they said Glucophage XR should be taken with dinner at night...NOT

with breakfast (what my Endo prescribed). I called my Endo and he said I could

switch to night if I wanted to. It works, so in answer to your previous

question about if the trip to Nashville was worth it, I say YES.

Way to go Bill! (I'm not low carb either)

--

Dave - 9:43:25 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, NPH, H

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Keli wrote:

<< Poached salmon, broccoli pureed with garlic, a little cream and parmesan

cheese, and coconut pudding made with unsweetened coconut, splenda, cream

and eggs for dessert. >>

This reminds me ... I buy bags of unsweetened coconut flakes online from

Bob's Red Mill (http://bobsredmill.com, I think it is) as well as hullless

barley and chana dal. According to Rick Mendosa, these items have a very low

glycemic index. I sprinkle the coconut flakes on top of sugar-free Jello and

find it delicious. I'd like to thank Keli and Ressy and all the others for

contributing some delicious low-carb suggestions!

Susie

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Yes, I think it was Gretchen, from the LC list who experimented with chana

dal, and found that it impacted her blood sugars very little.

Keli

Re: [low carb diet]

> Keli wrote:

>

> << Poached salmon, broccoli pureed with garlic, a little cream and

parmesan

> cheese, and coconut pudding made with unsweetened coconut, splenda, cream

> and eggs for dessert. >>

>

> This reminds me ... I buy bags of unsweetened coconut flakes online from

> Bob's Red Mill (http://bobsredmill.com, I think it is) as well as hullless

> barley and chana dal. According to Rick Mendosa, these items have a very

low

> glycemic index. I sprinkle the coconut flakes on top of sugar-free Jello

and

> find it delicious. I'd like to thank Keli and Ressy and all the others for

> contributing some delicious low-carb suggestions!

>

> Susie

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Bill Eastman wrote:

<< I also take 15 mg Actos in the morning. Still expermenting for my

cholestrol ... If this combo of meds for cholestrol doesn't work, I'll try

Provocol. >>

Why not try lowering the carb intake, Bill? It has worked so very well for

so many of us. My HDL doubled, my LDL dropped into normal range, and my

triglycerides dropped from 650 to 170 when I did that. Rob's doctors were so

happy that his numbers improved after they prescribed mega-doses of Niaspan

that they increased his prescription after his last bloodwork, and he had to

tell them he wasn't even taking it at all ... just diet. He had gotten bad

liver results, and decided it just wasn't worth it. And it turns out the

diet is way more powerful than the Niaspan ever was. Bill, I hate to see you

struggle so much with this, when there may be an easy solution that doesn't

tear up your liver.

Susie

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Bill Eastman yelled:

<< I do NOT low carb >>

And Dave O. cheered:

<< Way to go Bill! (I'm not low carb either) >>

Diet is supposed to be our initial and primary treatment method. If you two

choose not to follow that approach, I see no reason to yell and cheer about

it.

Susie

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Kim Derry writes:

<< I am following the ADA food exchange diet. I cut the carbs down a bit

and consider myself to be moderate carb. I am on 500 mg of glucophage twice

daily and have fasting bg's from around 90 - 112/115. My after meals rarely

go up to or over 140. I exercise daily alternating swimming with walking.

You do not necessarily have to low-carb in order to have your diabetes under

good control. >>

I tease my friend Teri about this, Kim. I tell her her pancreas is

pretty and pink, while mine is grey and shriveled. She is years younger than

me, and was diagnosed early, while I went for years undiagnosed. Your

pancreas is still huffing and puffing, while mine is sputtering. You are

right in that we are all in different states. But the thing to remember is

that if you baby your pancreas now, by restricting your carbohydrate intake,

it's possible you could go for a lifetime without getting in really bad

shape. If you keep eating the carbohydrates, your pancreas - " The Little

Train That Could " - will probably poop out and you'll wind up like me.

<< It depends on your body and how it reacts to carbs. >>

Diabetes is not a static disease. Even now, as you eat your carbs, your

pancreas beta cells are being overtaxed and you'll eventually wind up like

me, most likely. You can restrict your carbs now, to save your pancreas ...

or you will be forced to restrict your carbs later.

<< If I ate all the meat, cheese and eggs that many low-carber's do, I'd be

afraid of what it would do to my cholesterol level. >>

Most of us improve our cholesterol and triglycerides - and even blood

pressure numbers when we restrict our carbs. And that's because we improve

our diabetes control by doing so. And diabetes is the 800-pound gorilla.

It's the cause of many of our health problems, including heart attacks and

strokes.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Bill Eastman wrote:

>

> I do NOT low carb and there are others on the list that don't. I do take 2000

mg Glucophage XR at night. This morning my BG was 95. First time in a long

time...While at the TCOYD conference in Nashville, I talked to a drug rep from

BMS and they said Glucophage XR should be taken with dinner at night...NOT with

breakfast (what my Endo prescribed). I called my Endo and he said I could

switch to night if I wanted to. It works, so in answer to your previous

question about if the trip to Nashville was worth it, I say YES.

Way to go Bill! (I'm not low carb either)

--

Dave - 9:43:25 PM

T2 - 8/98 Glucophage, NPH, H

-

Davors Daily Aphorism:

Hard work must have killed someone!

--

Visit my HomePage:

http://dorcutt.homepage.com

[Guest guest]

Keli U. wrote:

<< I think it was Gretchen, from the LC list who experimented with chana

dal, and found that it impacted her blood sugars very little. >>

Diabetes expert Rick Mendosa (also a listmember here) enthuses about chana

dal at his excellent website: http://mendosa.com ... scroll down to the

bottom and click on the diabetes links. I'm very happy with it.

Susie

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Bill Eastman wrote:

<< Tonight I had a baked potato (with everything), salad with 1000 island

dressing, 4 aaltine crackers, and chilli. I'll see in the morning what that

brings the BG to. I had a glass of water to drink with dinner, and a few

cups of coffee (black) after dinner. >>

That baked potato has at least a half-cup of sugar in it. Thousand Island

dressing is also loaded with sugar. Saltine crackers are made from wheat and

carby as all-get-out. The chili isn't too bad. You could have had a meal

that was just as delicious, without all that carb load.

I must tell you, Bill, that your pancreas must hate you for working it so

hard. Some day your beta cells will poop out from all these carbs, and then

your will keep company with mine ... and they can reminisce about the good

old days when both of them could party hardy on all those carbohydrates.

Susie