Re: Protein Confusion

[Guest guest]

--- Carol, I just wanted to say congrats on your weight loss. I bet

you are feeling better already. I'm glad to hear that feeding tube

is out. Yeah!! (sorry that I can't answer your protein question

yet, as I am a newbee.)

Nan In Ohio

Surgery Date: May 13, 2002

In GastricBypass-InfoCentral@y..., " carolwaugh " <carolwaugh@e...>

wrote:

> Well girls and guys, I FINALLY got me feeding tube out last

Friday. I am now feeling alittle more normal. I have lost 36# since

Feb 5th. So all in all life is good. I did speak to my Dr. about

this mal-absorbsion problem on Friday, because I hate to think I

can't ever get my protein from food instead of the dreaded protein

drinks. He told me that at first taking at least 40 grams of protein

with the drinks is good an then try to get the rest from food. He

told me that if I was having diarrhea then my food was not absorbing

properly, but if I wasn't, then just count how may proteins I was

consuming and minus out 20% and that would be good enough. He said

to take at least 60 grams a day and all would be good. I am alittle

confused, because when all of you speak, it seems like we need so

many more. Does anyone really know?? How many of you out there

count you food protein??? Thanks for the help!! Hugs, Carol

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[Guest guest]

Congrats on getting the tube removed and on your weight loss so far. Those

pounds are gone forever! It sounds like the protein issue can get confusing as

everyone's surgeon has a different view on things. I think you have to go with

what your surgeon says, and modify it if it's not working for you. You are in

charge of your body and what you put in it. Good luck.

Jeanne in WI

Age 38

Open RNY 05/21/2002

314/ /150-175

5' 8 "

djgraves@...

Protein confusion

Well girls and guys, I FINALLY got me feeding tube out last Friday. I am now

feeling alittle more normal. I have lost 36# since Feb 5th. So all in all life

is good. I did speak to my Dr. about this mal-absorbsion problem on Friday,

because I hate to think I can't ever get my protein from food instead of the

dreaded protein drinks. He told me that at first taking at least 40 grams of

protein with the drinks is good an then try to get the rest from food. He told

me that if I was having diarrhea then my food was not absorbing properly, but if

I wasn't, then just count how may proteins I was consuming and minus out 20% and

that would be good enough. He said to take at least 60 grams a day and all

would be good. I am alittle confused, because when all of you speak, it seems

like we need so many more. Does anyone really know?? How many of you out

there count you food protein??? Thanks for the help!! Hugs, Carol

[Guest guest]

CIB + milk IS dangerous, that's right. But real protein in water will SPEED

your wt loss

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Re: Protein confusion

Hey Carol, congratulations on getting the feeding tube out! Boy, I

know that feels better! And 36 lbs - YEA!!!!

I am confused about the protein thing, too. My doctor told me to get

ALL my protein from food. When I mentioned the need for more protein,

he suggested Carnation Instant Breakfast (sugar free) and peanut

butter, but said it was not necessary and would slow my weight loss

down. He said I needed to shoot for whatever I could get down now

(12 days out now), and when I got to regular food, just keep it

balanced. When I left I was confused, am still confused - what

does " BALANCED " mean?

Most people on here told me sf Carnation Instant Breakfast is not

good, but peanut butter is OK, but you can't eat enough pb to get in

30-40 extra grams of protein a day!!

So I am doing the shakes, even if it slows my weight loss down a

little, I would rather be healthy. I just don't understand why there

are such differences of opinion among doctors.

peggy

(ann)

carolwaugh@e...> wrote:

> Well girls and guys, I FINALLY got me feeding tube out last

Friday. I am now feeling alittle more normal. I have lost 36# since

Feb 5th. So all in all life is good. I did speak to my Dr. about

this mal-absorbsion problem on Friday, because I hate to think I

can't ever get my protein from food instead of the dreaded protein

[Guest guest]

I count my food as zero. If they ever put me back together again, then I'll

count food. But as long as my surgery stays intact, I count 0. BUT I am distal.

We figure the average proximal to get about 30% of food proteins, but that'd be

mainly meat. The lower you go on the BV scale, the more useless it becomes.

Like nuts & cheese. Cute idea, but just really n/a for us

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Protein confusion

Well girls and guys, I FINALLY got me feeding tube out last Friday. I am now

feeling alittle more normal. I have lost 36# since Feb 5th. So all in all life

is good. I did speak to my Dr. about this mal-absorbsion problem on Friday,

because I hate to think I can't ever get my protein from food instead of the

dreaded protein drinks. He told me that at first taking at least 40 grams of

protein with the drinks is good an then try to get the rest from food. He told

me that if I was having diarrhea then my food was not absorbing properly, but if

I wasn't, then just count how may proteins I was consuming and minus out 20% and

that would be good enough. He said to take at least 60 grams a day and all

would be good. I am alittle confused, because when all of you speak, it seems

like we need so many more. Does anyone really know?? How many of you out

there count you food protein??? Thanks for the help!! Hugs, Carol

[Guest guest]

i know i am new here, but my nutrionist gave me the following info. she has

been counseling wls patients for 10yrs. Bunny

meat, fish, poulty: 7 grams. 1 oz.

egg white 7 grams 2egg whites

whole egg 9 grams 1 egg

beans/legumes (ie, chick peas) 7-9 grams. 1/2 cup

peanut butter 7.5-8 grams 2 tablespoons

cheese 5-6 grams 1slice/1 ounce

milk 9 grams 1 cup

yogurt 9-11 grams 1cup

the measurments are serving sizes. she recommends nothing very hot or very

cold and at least 20 minutes to eat. hope this helps a little.

Digest Number 3307

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[Guest guest]

My suggestion is do what you feel best at and if

listening to your dr and dietian is good then fine.. BUT

from people who have been in your shoes, You don't get

the full amount from the food, there for you should

drink protein first and then eat what you can. Thats

just my option is all.

Theresa

> i know i am new here, but my nutrionist gave me the following info. she has

> been counseling wls patients for 10yrs. Bunny

>

> meat, fish, poulty: 7 grams. 1 oz.

> egg white 7 grams 2egg whites

> whole egg 9 grams 1 egg

> beans/legumes (ie, chick peas) 7-9 grams. 1/2 cup

> peanut butter 7.5-8 grams 2 tablespoons

> cheese 5-6 grams 1slice/1 ounce

> milk 9 grams 1 cup

> yogurt 9-11 grams 1cup

> the measurments are serving sizes. she recommends nothing very hot or very

> cold and at least 20 minutes to eat. hope this helps a little.

> Digest Number 3307

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[Guest guest]

I agree Peggy our DR's think we can eat 60 grams of protein I am thankful for

this group and I take extra vitamins and stuff too

Re: Protein Confusion

My doc told me to get protein from natural food, ntrutitionist, too.

But I could tell that nutritionist didn't have a clue, she was just

reading off the diet sheet that was given to her, and she is also the

nutritionist for the whole hospital and was very busy. The diet sheet

was a joke. The first solid meal they suggested was ground beef,

something almost everyone has trouble with! The total protein

consumption for each day was 4 ounces, which averaged roughly 26

grams of protein a day. There was a lot of white bread, potatoes,

stuff I KNOW will give me a problem.

My surgeon did an EXCELLENT job on my wls - I went home the next day

from Lap RNY with no pain medications! I haven't thrown up once, I

feel good and have lost 14 lbs. in a little over a week. I have 5

teensy-tiny scars. I have no complaints about him, but he is a

SURGEON.

I found this GBIC group just a few days before my surgery (Thank

God!) and have learned more from you guys about the aftercare than I

did from the professionals. This is scary to me. What about the

people who don't have time to read up on the 'net or are not part of

a good support group. They could be anemic, have heart problems from

low vitamins, all kinds of things. I personally am taking lots of

extra vitamins and protein shakes to supplement. And I plan to make

it a point to campaign to my doctor that he did NOT give me enough

aftercare info and the nutritional " diet sheet " was insufficient.

What I would like to do is access any actual research which states

that additional protein is required. Is this just anecdotal opinion

(which should also be respected), or are there studies out there

somewhere. So far I have found what different doctors recommend, and

they are all different! I would like to have something to take my

doctor. If anybody knows of studies, research, anything, please point

me in that direction if you don't mine.

Sorry, I am just like that. I hate to see everybody who goes through

this surgery have to re-invent the wheel, when there are probably

some good absolutes and statistics out there somewhere. Plus I don't

want to be bald!

Peggy

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[Guest guest]

Peggy wrote:

I found this GBIC group just a few days before my surgery (Thank God!) and have

learned more from you guys about the aftercare than I did from the

professionals. This is scary to me. What about the people who don't have time to

read up on the 'net or are not part of a good support group.

~~~~~~~

I have thought the same thing even though I have been on the list a short time.

I bought a three ring binder and am adding to it daily from personal readings,

ideas from others, and info I have found on the net.

It has helped me to begin to make little changes now... like no pop .... that is

the first, next I will work on the ice tea ( okay I will probably wait until I

have a surgery date love that caffeine :oP ) and starting tomorrow DH and I (

along with the kiddos) are beginning the walking program that in Pa posted

here. Before just the thought of doing these things seemed a wasted

effort...until after the surgery.

See already you all have impacted my life!

So thanks all

Have a Blessed Evening

Glenda

[Guest guest]

How about www.asbs.org ?

It states the expected deficiencies in iron, protein, calcium & B12. It MIGHT

mention the fat solubles, but I can't be sure (A, D, E). It also states that

they treat these not very successfully with the wrong irons & proteins. The conf

last summer concluded that when we have these problems, there is nothing wrong

with the PROGRAM, only that WE are non-compliant.

Gonna be hard to find much that says these problems CAN be overcome. Sigh. But I

gotta tell you, docs & RD & nutritionist are not really INTO supplemental

nutrition. ONLY food nutrition and they cannot think outside the box. My docs

send me cancer pts (no stomach, or whatever is missing) and their docs didn't

even give them a MULTI-VITE! Then they find the WLS docs who says, this, this,

this-- will fix it. Well, it's nice to have the vote of confidence and

No, I cannot fix everything. But even STILL (!) these people would not BE in

this shape if only they'd been supplemented with the right products right out of

the chute.

But yes, if a radical distal such as I am can survive all this and really cannot

absorb anything from food (except sugar!), then yes, it will do the job for

everyone.

The catch is waiting til the numbers fall. Many docs " prefer " their pts to get

their (fill in element, mainly protein) from food. Well I would PREFER to be

5'7 " , but that's just not how it is. You pay the man $35K to disable your

digestive system, it had better NOT work as it did pre-op or you should be

getting your money back. If you do NOT need to supplement, your surgery isn't

working.

The proof you seek is in the labwork. Start with your pre=ops, save up your

quarterly reports and COMPARE. The docs are NOT going to do this. Only WE do

this. Lay 'em out, side by side, and watch the numbers slide gently down

without help. OR be like me and wake up one day to find you have the bones of

an 80 y/o because you took the WRONG calcium. Either way, it's really provable,

but in many cases, way too late.

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Re: Protein Confusion

My doc told me to get protein from natural food, ntrutitionist, too.

But I could tell that nutritionist didn't have a clue, she was just

reading off the diet sheet that was given to her, and she is also the

nutritionist for the whole hospital and was very busy. The diet sheet

was a joke. The first solid meal they suggested was ground beef,

something almost everyone has trouble with! The total protein

consumption for each day was 4 ounces, which averaged roughly 26

grams of protein a day. There was a lot of white bread, potatoes,

stuff I KNOW will give me a problem.

My surgeon did an EXCELLENT job on my wls - I went home the next day

from Lap RNY with no pain medications! I haven't thrown up once, I

feel good and have lost 14 lbs. in a little over a week. I have 5

teensy-tiny scars. I have no complaints about him, but he is a

SURGEON.

I found this GBIC group just a few days before my surgery (Thank

God!) and have learned more from you guys about the aftercare than I

did from the professionals. This is scary to me. What about the

people who don't have time to read up on the 'net or are not part of

a good support group. They could be anemic, have heart problems from

low vitamins, all kinds of things. I personally am taking lots of

extra vitamins and protein shakes to supplement. And I plan to make

it a point to campaign to my doctor that he did NOT give me enough

aftercare info and the nutritional " diet sheet " was insufficient.

What I would like to do is access any actual research which states

that additional protein is required. Is this just anecdotal opinion

(which should also be respected), or are there studies out there

somewhere. So far I have found what different doctors recommend, and

they are all different! I would like to have something to take my

doctor. If anybody knows of studies, research, anything, please point

me in that direction if you don't mine.

Sorry, I am just like that. I hate to see everybody who goes through

this surgery have to re-invent the wheel, when there are probably

some good absolutes and statistics out there somewhere. Plus I don't

want to be bald!

Peggy

[Guest guest]

you will get there sweetie just hang in there and start that walking

TN

Re: Protein Confusion

Peggy wrote:

I found this GBIC group just a few days before my surgery (Thank God!) and

have learned more from you guys about the aftercare than I did from the

professionals. This is scary to me. What about the people who don't have time to

read up on the 'net or are not part of a good support group.

~~~~~~~

I have thought the same thing even though I have been on the list a short

time.

I bought a three ring binder and am adding to it daily from personal readings,

ideas from others, and info I have found on the net.

It has helped me to begin to make little changes now... like no pop .... that

is the first, next I will work on the ice tea ( okay I will probably wait until

I have a surgery date love that caffeine :oP ) and starting tomorrow DH and I (

along with the kiddos) are beginning the walking program that in Pa posted

here. Before just the thought of doing these things seemed a wasted

effort...until after the surgery.

See already you all have impacted my life!

So thanks all

Have a Blessed Evening

Glenda