Guest guest Posted July 19, 2003 Report Share Posted July 19, 2003 Janie, What is the normal range of T3? Thank's, Shirley <You have SUCH a conservative doc. 15 mg. is nothing with someone who has such a low T3> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 Hi Jamy, I've read about goitenous foods, but they never tell you how you feel when you eat them! Thanks. I used to eat a lot of steamed broccoli and cauliflower, but its never made me feel bad. Now when I eat sugar I feel bad. Sugar makes my body hurt. So, even though I love sweet stuff, I stay away from it. I eat organically now. Zina <<<Some feel like poison. Soy and raw broccoli do that to me. I have learned to eat cauliflower, steamed well. It used to be I could never eat it cooked. Take one food on the list, cook it well, and eat it for two days in a row. Than log how you feel for the next week. Don't eat any others on the list while you try this. You will see if you have a problem with them cooked. Never eat them raw, though some do and they seem to have more aches and pains. I have enough of those so I won't risk it again.>>>> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Hi Jamy, Well, your Free T3 is way too low. You need to increase your dose of Armour. How much are taking? Sorry I don't remember! You want your Free T3 in the upper part of its range (some people feel even better above that range). No wonder you are feeling achy and hypo. Zina > OK, here are my new test results on the Armour. I actually started taking it on the 15th. This is my result after 3 weeks. Now I feel achy like I am hypo and have for a little over a week. Comments??? > TSH 2.795 range 0.35 to 5.5 > Free t4 1.02 range 0.61-1.76 > Free t3 2.6 range 2.3-4.2 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Jamy.... Sometimes you can get to aching because you are doing more physical things that you did before.... any chance that this might be what is happening? Just throwing out possibilities while to track this down... Topper () http://groups.yahoo.com/group/The_Thyroid_Support_Group/ http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Thu, 7 Aug 2003 16:31:56 -0700 " JAMY " writes: > > OK, here is a question for ya'll! I am on about the same level of > thyroid meds now on Armour that I had been on Synthyroid. Now, I > have Hashi. Before I started on Synthyroid, I ached all over. Now > that I am on the Armour, I ache all over. I had read that with some > people they can't take natural thyroid meds because their Autoimmune > system goes after it, so they ache with a rush of new antibodies > attacking the Armour thinking it is the persons thyroid functioning. > Any comments? Have you heard of this? Why do I ache more on the > Armour than I did on Synthyroid? > > Jamy > > > Hi Jamy, > > Well, your Free T3 is way too low. You need to increase your dose > of > Armour. How much are taking? Sorry I don't remember! You want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 > Jamy.... Sometimes you can get to aching because you are doing more > physical things that you did before.... any chance that this might >be what is happening? Yes, but achiness from doing more physical things is not normal, and her labs point to a low free T3. So there seems to be evidence that her low free T3 is the problem. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Well... yes it is.. if your body is not used to a lot of physical activity and then you suddenly start doing a lot more you get a lot of aches and pains.... I base that on my experiences lifting weights before I became hyper, had RAI and became hypo... If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:28:56 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > Jamy.... Sometimes you can get to aching because you are doing > more > > physical things that you did before.... any chance that this might > > >be what is happening? > > Yes, but achiness from doing more physical things is not normal, and > > her labs point to a low free T3. So there seems to be evidence that > > her low free T3 is the problem. > > Janie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 No. I am actually doing less because I am more stiff and feel more hypo, but the tests aren't any worse, so the only other thing could be antibodies. This is how I felt before I even started any thyroid meds a year. I am not as tired as I was before I started any meds, but before I was dxed with Hashi I thought I had sever Arthritis which a lot went away when I started taking meds. Jamy > > > Hi Jamy, > > Well, your Free T3 is way too low. You need to increase your dose > of > Armour. How much are taking? Sorry I don't remember! You want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 The t3 level is the same as it was when I was on synthroid 3 weeks ago. Jamy Re: Jamy > Jamy.... Sometimes you can get to aching because you are doing more > physical things that you did before.... any chance that this might >be what is happening? Yes, but achiness from doing more physical things is not normal, and her labs point to a low free T3. So there seems to be evidence that her low free T3 is the problem. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 No, I am not doing more at all as a matter of fact, I am so stiff, I am not going to the gym because I was try not to get worse, but too late! I have not worked for the last three days. My mind is willing but not my body! Re: Re: Jamy Well... yes it is.. if your body is not used to a lot of physical activity and then you suddenly start doing a lot more you get a lot of aches and pains.... I base that on my experiences lifting weights before I became hyper, had RAI and became hypo... If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 02:28:56 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > Jamy.... Sometimes you can get to aching because you are doing > more > > physical things that you did before.... any chance that this might > > >be what is happening? > > Yes, but achiness from doing more physical things is not normal, and > > her labs point to a low free T3. So there seems to be evidence that > > her low free T3 is the problem. > > Janie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Okay, gang.. thinking caps on.. we should be able to come up with some more suggestions..... To cover all possibilities... although your thought, Jamy, just may be it.... Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:09:50 -0700 " JAMY " writes: > > No. I am actually doing less because I am more stiff and feel more > hypo, but the tests aren't any worse, so the only other thing could > be antibodies. This is how I felt before I even started any thyroid > meds a year. I am not as tired as I was before I started any meds, > but before I was dxed with Hashi I thought I had sever Arthritis > which a lot went away when I started taking meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 I know that on the synthroid, they suppress the thyroid so it doesn't cause my body to attack it. I think my body is attacking!! Jamy Re: Jamy Okay, gang.. thinking caps on.. we should be able to come up with some more suggestions..... To cover all possibilities... although your thought, Jamy, just may be it.... Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 05:09:50 -0700 " JAMY " writes: > > No. I am actually doing less because I am more stiff and feel more > hypo, but the tests aren't any worse, so the only other thing could > be antibodies. This is how I felt before I even started any thyroid > meds a year. I am not as tired as I was before I started any meds, > but before I was dxed with Hashi I thought I had sever Arthritis > which a lot went away when I started taking meds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... > > Topper () But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal free T3..... Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > No. I am actually doing less because I am more stiff and feel more hypo, Hmmm. You could be underdosing yourself, causing hypo symptoms to return with a vengeance. That happened to me!! Underdosing, and staying on that underdose too long, made all sorts of " ills " reappear, or get worse. As you increase your Armour, you'll figure things out more. If, upon increasing, you still have that low Free T3, the next step is to add Cytomel to the Armour. And the above need makes me wonder---are those that have to add Cytomel also being treated adequately for adrenals, and have they maximized their iron levels??? Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > The t3 level is the same as it was when I was on synthroid 3 weeks ago. > Jamy Perhaps 3 weeks is simply not enough time. Talk to your doc about increasing, and soon. (And be sure and get your Ferritin tested.) And do labs at the most 5 weeks later, not three. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 >I think my body is attacking!! > Jamy Get your doc to increase your dose. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Yes, my t3 is low, but the point is hat it is exactly where it was on Synthroid and I didn't ache then. Current on Armour after 3.3 weeks TSH 2.795 range 0.35 to 5.5 Free t4 1.02 range 0.61-1.76 Free t3 2.6 range 2.3-4.2 On Synthyroid TSH 2.833 range same as above free t4 1.05 same as above free t3 2.4 same as above Re: Jamy > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... > > Topper () But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal free T3..... Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > Yes, my t3 is low, but the point is hat it is exactly where it was >on Synthroid and I didn't ache then. I still think, Jamy, that you are underdosed, and that is part of the problem. When I was underdosed on Armour, it caused symptoms that I didn't have while on Levoxyl, especially with my periods! I also experienced achiness. I HATE achiness!! I sympathize!! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 My appt to go back in for hormones is today, so even though I started the meds on the 15th which puts me at 3 1/2 weeks, we needed to have a figure so we knew where we were. What I can't figure is why I have started aching. Also, my ferritan and iron levels are good. I had a folic acid and b12 deficiency and those were corrected which brought up my levels and made all the liquid iron to stay in my body where it wasn't before. Re: Jamy > The t3 level is the same as it was when I was on synthroid 3 weeks ago. > Jamy Perhaps 3 weeks is simply not enough time. Talk to your doc about increasing, and soon. (And be sure and get your Ferritin tested.) And do labs at the most 5 weeks later, not three. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 I am going to tell him I need an increase. I feel lousy, but I am told it is best to have a switch to Armour slowly like he did, a low dose. Re: Jamy > Yes, my t3 is low, but the point is hat it is exactly where it was >on Synthroid and I didn't ache then. I still think, Jamy, that you are underdosed, and that is part of the problem. When I was underdosed on Armour, it caused symptoms that I didn't have while on Levoxyl, especially with my periods! I also experienced achiness. I HATE achiness!! I sympathize!! Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Janie, That may very well be true.. remember, I'm self dosing and cann't afford labs yet... and with finances the way they are I can't up my dosage right now.... sucks to be poor! Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:09:16 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm > used to, I get achy.... > > > > Topper () > > But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal > free T3..... > > Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 I'm confused, was she asking you or me about the t3? LOL Re: Re: Jamy Janie, That may very well be true.. remember, I'm self dosing and cann't afford labs yet... and with finances the way they are I can't up my dosage right now.... sucks to be poor! Topper () http://toppertwo.tripod.com On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 14:09:16 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm > used to, I get achy.... > > > > Topper () > > But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal > free T3..... > > Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 ((((((((((Jamy))))))))))))) Are you taking any supplements like selenium? Feisty Re: Jamy > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... > > Topper () But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal free T3..... Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 Yup 250 a day and it still doesn't work, but it raised my temperature some. He just added 15 mg a day of Armour and bi-est hormones. I take a ton of supplements Re: Jamy > If I have good days now, and over do it, by doing more than I'm used to, I get achy.... > > Topper () But where is your free T3?? You may also have a lower than optimal free T3..... Janie ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 > I am going to tell him I need an increase. I feel lousy, but I am told it is best to have a switch to Armour slowly like he did, a low dose. You are right. It is prudent, when switching, to start on a lower dose than possibly needed, in order to see how you will react to the T3. But it is also prudent NOT to stay on the low dose too long. Your hypo symptoms return with a vengeance!! Keep us informed how you are doing. We look forward to when you can say " I FEEL GREAT!! " Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2003 Report Share Posted August 8, 2003 >He just added 15 mg a day of Armour and bi-est hormones. You have SUCH a conservative doc. 15 mg. is nothing with someone who has such a low T3!! Alas. But eventually, you will get somewhere. Just make take you a lot longer. Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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