Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Janet....you're correct on all counts: the analysis of the data is very, very difficult. Even if a pattern is clear, it's difficult to say what it actually means. Both sides of the issues can push the numbers around pretty convincingly. But you have to realize where this all came from, and what it's trying to accomplish. First and foremost, it's attempting to toss out the (usually) state police-inspired profiles that were generated back in the drug running days, and used to stop everyone that literally fit a certain profile--from the driver's window <up>. Agencies were stopping everyone with a beard, a certain hat, certain race, etc. It was written down by the agency, handed out to officers, and expected to be followed in order to receive a good performance review. Searches and arrests from such stops were tallied. In fact, searches were based on certain factors once you started talking to the occupants. That was " racial profiling " in its purest form. Second, it's attempting to reduce, if not eliminate, the <personal> prejudices that some Americans have--including law enforcement officers--for people of color. Not " evil " prejudices, mind you, but rather ones that creep in from constant exposure to the job. Over a period of time, some officers and deputies no doubt begin to believe that stopping people of color will increase their odds of finding contraband or a wanted person, etc. By the way, I'm sure there are some law enforcement types out there who are out-and-out prejudiced, and it would be nice to change their behavior, too, but <good luck>. So, if you agency has no profile (especially one that's written down!), and your officers are well-adjusted, then you're " in the ballpark. " It's probably just a job of fine-tuning attitudes, which we all develop from time to time. P.S.--Dispatchers are susceptible to racial profiling, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 31, 2001 Report Share Posted December 31, 2001 In response to my previous epic post, wrote, in part: <<But you have to realize where this all came from, and what it's trying to accomplish.>> Oh, I do understand that, . It's all too easy for a " legitimate tool " to turn into an excuse to abuse authority. We all need to remember that this is the country where people are innocent until proven guilty. I certainly wouldn't want the police stopping me, detaining me, questioning me, searching me...based solely on my physical appearance. (God, I hope there aren't cops out there who are profiling old fat women. Although, my luck, there probably are.) However, if I am DWI or speeding, it doesn't mean they stopped me just because I'm an old, fat female. My point is that I don't think the reporting system in place here in Missouri does the job it set out to do. It is all based on officer reporting -- with no correlation of the reported data to any other record (so there is no way to cross-check to see if the officer is reporting honestly). Do you think the genuinely bigoted officers are going to be accurate when they record race? I'd bet you a nickel that those guys/gals only stop white folks -- never people of color. And yet, small samples from an agency that is reporting honestly can create the appearance that racial profiling is taking place when that isn't so. That is damaging to ALL of us -- law enforcement and the public. Then the media gets hold of the AG's report and any police agency with a " disproportionate " score in any category is made out to be promoting prejudice. The press loves statistics and doesn't always bother to report the " why " behind the numbers. Therefore, the problem may appear to be more widespread than it actually is. This tends to dilute the impact of the reports from agencies where racial profiling is actually a common practice -- what with the finger pointing so many directions, the really big offenders don't stand out so much. I agree with the concept of tracking the occurrence of racial profiling and taking measures to stop it. I just think that a better system needs to be devised. Law enforcement doesn't need any UNDESERVED negative press. There is no profile here in our agency -- written or otherwise. The majority of our officers are as well-adjusted as the next person. You're right...we're " in the ballpark. " However, that's not how it looks on the AG's report - or in the media. And that's a real shame. As you so aptly put it, there are prejudices that " creep in " as a result of being in this job. And all of us need to check ourselves for that stuff periodically. And you're right, dispatchers are susceptible to racial profiling, too. I limited my comments to the officers, because they are the ones who are required to report. Dispatchers, officer, administrators...everybody is susceptible. But the data comes only from officers...and only data on drivers in traffic stops is included in the statistics. So -- how accurate a picture does the report paint? (Gee, I don't seem to be able to say ANYTHING in just a few words, do I?) <grinning> THESE ARE MY OPINIONS ONLY. DON'T BLAME MY AGENCY OR MY BOSS FOR WHAT I HAVE TO SAY. Janet Bettag LSLPD Lake Saint Louis, MO Department email: jbettag@... Personal email: MsJBettag@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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