Re: Lenten Regulations, AS, and BAD MAMAS!

[Guest guest]

Oh Salli my heart is bleeding for you! I can only BEGIN to imagine how you

felt! I think you're a great mom.

When everyone was talking about meeting Putter I wanted to say that I'd like

to meet you! I hope that I can handle everything that comes my way with a

tap of humor, an education and alot of determination. I'm already learning

alot from this list.

G.

[Guest guest]

First of all, I forgot and had a cheeseburger at lunch!! bad mommy...

And secondly - yea for Fr Bob!!! yea!!! whew, that was close!!!

Kerri

> So I called Fr. Bob at our church and explained the situation,

leaving out Asperger Syndrome (which I think he already knows Enrique

has anyway) but saying that Enrique was a bit rigid in his approach

sometimes. Fr. Bob said, " Absolutely. If he is sick, he can eat

meat today. " I thanked him and gave Enrique the good news.

>

> He ate his bagel. He went with , but the special ed teacher

was no longer there because they arrived later than planned.

>

> Oh, well, there is always next week.

>

> Salli

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Now that the whole ordeal is over, would he have eaten it without the

bacon?

That was my first suggestion actually. No way; he requires the bacon!

Salli

[Guest guest]

> First of all, I forgot and had a cheeseburger at lunch!! bad mommy...

With the best of intentions generally speaking, I have done the same thing.

I'm forgetful and too busy.

>

> And secondly - yea for Fr Bob!!! yea!!! whew, that was close!!!

>

Yes, Fr. Bob is definitely on my Good Guy list.

Salli

[Guest guest]

Poor Enrique. I'm glad the priest helped you out there. Kathy and I were

discussing your godparent issue this morning. She's upset because it is

time to baptize Jake, and she wants Cam and I as godparents, but of course

we are not Catholic!

Amy--who almost said something else, but really, as temporary moderator it

would look bad if I started in argument, right?

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[Guest guest]

She's upset because it is

> time to baptize Jake, and she wants Cam and I as godparents, but of course

> we are not Catholic!

Only one godparents need be Catholic.

Salli

[Guest guest]

I am escaping the whole Lenten fasting for the most part and have to

give in once in a while for the meat because of being pregnant and my

horrible pregnancy. I am glad your priest was helpful with Enrique in

letting him know there are exceptions!

Jacquie H

> First of all, I forgot and had a cheeseburger at lunch!! bad

mommy...

>

> And secondly - yea for Fr Bob!!! yea!!! whew, that was close!!!

>

> Kerri

>

>

> > So I called Fr. Bob at our church and explained the situation,

> leaving out Asperger Syndrome (which I think he already knows

Enrique

> has anyway) but saying that Enrique was a bit rigid in his approach

> sometimes. Fr. Bob said, " Absolutely. If he is sick, he can eat

> meat today. " I thanked him and gave Enrique the good news.

> >

> > He ate his bagel. He went with , but the special ed

teacher

> was no longer there because they arrived later than planned.

> >

> > Oh, well, there is always next week.

> >

> > Salli

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Oh dear....

It IS going to be difficult for Enrique to be a practicing catholic, isn't

it?

I feel for him...He really tries!!!!

Penny :-D

[Guest guest]

Salli,

Now that the whole ordeal is over, would he have eaten it without the bacon?

Sue

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[Guest guest]

Poor Enrique! Poor You!

Wednesday, was as you know, Ash Wednesday. But, we did not go to

services, not any of us. Wednesday night as we were sitting in the

living room, and I each holding a feverish child and listening

to Gail wheeze and cough, I said to him, " You know it is Ash

Wednesday today " .

" No! Not already. It couldn't be! "

" Yes, it is. "

was aghast. It was Ash Wednesday and none of us had ashes on

our forehead. Ah well. So it goes.

[Guest guest]

Salli: I can see how you would forget, I know I

would. But, he obviously got through it o.k. That's

a good thing.

Tamara

--- bunnytiner wrote:

> Today is the first Friday of Lent. Catholics over

> the age of fourteen are supposed to fast on Fridays

> in Lent, which basically means no meat and a reduced

> amount for other meals.

>

> Last night I said vaguely to Enrique, " I guess I'll

> make that Chicken Cacciatore tomorrow. " His eyes

> widened with horror, " But, " he said anxiously, " It

> is a Friday in Lent! " I had forgotten. " Oops! " I

> said, " I guess I will just make that grilled fish

> and mashed potatoes, and we will have Chicken

> Cacciatore on Saturday. " " Does fish count as meat? "

> he queried.

>

> Fortunately, " No, " I reminded him, " That is where

> all that stuff about fish on Fridays comes from.

> People used to do it all year -- some still do --

> but the Church only requires you to do it during

> Lent nowadays. " End of discussion.

>

> This morning, I had a conference with Putter's

> teacher about next year's school placement and then

> I had to rush home because , the autism

> consultant for the county school districts, was

> coming over to meet with Enrique as she does every

> Friday. Last Friday she drove Enrique to the

> parking lot of the high school to sit for a few

> moments to try to desensitize him from his bad

> experiences last fall. Today she planned to do the

> same thing and have him meet with the special ed

> teacher there who would be good resource for

> Enrique.

>

> I knew Enrique would be uncomfortable with this trip

> -- he was stressing out about it all week -- and so,

> in an effort to do something pleasant for him, I

> stopped off at Mc's to buy him his favorite

> Bacon Egg and Cheese breakfast bagel to perk him up

> a bit.

>

> Silly mama! Witless mama! It's a Friday in Lent!

> Here I was planning to make fish for dinner and

> totally forgetting about breakfast!

>

> Naturally Enrique did not forget. He was horrified.

> I was horrified too as I instantly saw what an

> impasse I had placed him in. Not for nothing do they

> say that the road to Hell is paved with good

> intentions (though it seems very unfair when you are

> truly being well-intentioned). Enrique desperately

> wanted the breakfast. He desperately did not,

> perhaps could not, break Lenten regulations. He was

> really in agony.

>

> I offered to fry up some eggs and mushrooms which he

> would normally find a very fine breakfast, but he

> said " No. " All he wanted was the breakfast bagel.

> And what would we do with the breakfast bagel if he

> did not eat it? We couldn't just throw it away!

> That would be wasteful and wrong.

>

> " Then eat it, " I said, " And confess it afterwards. "

> But that struck him as a wicked idea, to think that

> you could consciously do what you knew to be wrong

> and just confess it afterwards. I had to admit he

> had a point. Probably he also did not want to have

> to leave the house for confession.

>

> As we debated, I noticed that Enrique obviously was

> unwell. He was very congested and coughy and he

> clearly felt miserable. " You're sick, " I pointed

> out, " Lenten rules do not apply to the sick. "

> " But, " he asked urgently, " Am I sick enough? I feel

> terrible, but is it enough? "

>

> I had no idea. And I admit that I would normally

> fast despite a cold. Enrique knew nothing of any

> exceptions to the rules. Rules are rules and they

> need no exceptions in their rule-like perfection.

>

> arrived. Enrique went into his bedroom and

> got on his bed and refused to see her.

>

> knows Asperger Syndrome very well indeed. I

> explained the situation to her and she fully

> understood what a horrible dilemma he was in. She

> helped me search through various Catholic books

> while I thumbed anxiously through the Catechism and

> Enrique lay moaning on his bed.

>

> " You know, " I called to Enrique in the next room,

> while and I searched the books, " You used to

> have to fast all through Lent, not just on Ash

> Wednesdays and Fridays. " " I know, " responded

> Enrique's snuffly voice, " But only if you were over

> 21. "

>

> I suggested that since the whole situation was such

> agony for him, he should consider it a penance and

> eat the bagel. He sat up in bed. He looked at me.

> " I don't follow your train of thought, " he said. I

> explained again. " I don't see, " said Enrique

> firmly, " How sinning can be used as a penance. "

>

> Well, he had me there.

>

> and I found nothing useful in any catechisms

> though we found nothing against eating meat when ill

> on fast days. Enrique, from his bed, said, " Can't

> you call a priest or something? "

>

> So I called Fr. Bob at our church and explained the

> situation, leaving out Asperger Syndrome (which I

> think he already knows Enrique has anyway) but

> saying that Enrique was a bit rigid in his approach

> sometimes. Fr. Bob said, " Absolutely. If he is

> sick, he can eat meat today. " I thanked him and

> gave Enrique the good news.

>

> He ate his bagel. He went with , but the

> special ed teacher was no longer there because they

> arrived later than planned.

>

> Oh, well, there is always next week.

>

> Salli

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Wednesday, was as you know, Ash Wednesday. But, we did not go to

> services, not any of us.

Well, Wednesday was Putter's birthday and we didn't go to any services

either. But we do a candle service throughout Lent so we didn't feel too

bad.

Putter has a line to say and he is saying it and he is lighting his candle

(all of us light candles)

Robbie is the one who refuses to say his line. He just shouts " NO! "

Salli

[Guest guest]

> Putter has a line to say and he is saying it and he is lighting his

candle

> (all of us light candles)

We do not do candles anymore. Any candles. I have one box of

matches I keep well hidden. We do not have candles or lighters in

the house since Gail had problems with playing with fire and burning

stuff. has had problems with agression and violence in the

last year so we did not think it was good for him either to have

those available, so the only candles we have had for over a year are

candles on a birthday cake that get disposed of and my one well

hidden pack of matches. We do have lots of smoke detectors though.

who supposed we could read a verse or two though. That is a

good plan.

[Guest guest]

>>>Today is the first Friday of Lent. Catholics over

the age of fourteen are supposed to fast on Fridays in

Lent, which basically means no meat and a reduced

amount for other meals.

That is where all that stuff about fish on Fridays

comes from. People used to do it all year -- some

still do -- but the Church only requires you to do it

during Lent nowadays.<<<

I grew up this way. Fish cakes every Friday. Yuck.

Now we just eat vegetarian on non-meat days. Good

thing you had and Fr. Bob to help you out with

this. Wow. It's always something, isn't it?

Tuna

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[Guest guest]

Salli, Matt says if you can call up your preist to ask about that, he wants

to live in your parish.

And, um, why didn't you just take the bacon off?

-Sara.

[Guest guest]

My brother and his wife are 's godparents..my SIL

is Episcopalian...they didn't ask..we didn't mention

it. Maybe she could ask if it's okay.

Mimi

--- Amy Helmuth wrote:

> Poor Enrique. I'm glad the priest helped you out

> there. Kathy and I were

> discussing your godparent issue this morning. She's

> upset because it is

> time to baptize Jake, and she wants Cam and I as

> godparents, but of course

> we are not Catholic!

>

> Amy--who almost said something else, but really, as

> temporary moderator it

> would look bad if I started in argument, right?

>

>

>

>

>

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You are excused if you are pregnant..you have to eat

to keep up your strength.

Mimi

--- doops_shmoops wrote:

> I am escaping the whole Lenten fasting for the most

> part and have to

> give in once in a while for the meat because of

> being pregnant and my

> horrible pregnancy. I am glad your priest was

> helpful with Enrique in

> letting him know there are exceptions!

> Jacquie H

>

>

>

> > First of all, I forgot and had a cheeseburger at

> lunch!! bad

> mommy...

> >

> > And secondly - yea for Fr Bob!!! yea!!! whew, that

> was close!!!

> >

> > Kerri

> >

> >

> > > So I called Fr. Bob at our church and explained

> the situation,

> > leaving out Asperger Syndrome (which I think he

> already knows

> Enrique

> > has anyway) but saying that Enrique was a bit

> rigid in his approach

> > sometimes. Fr. Bob said, " Absolutely. If he is

> sick, he can eat

> > meat today. " I thanked him and gave Enrique the

> good news.

> > >

> > > He ate his bagel. He went with , but the

> special ed

> teacher

> > was no longer there because they arrived later

> than planned.

> > >

> > > Oh, well, there is always next week.

> > >

> > > Salli

> > >

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Since we don't do it any more except during Lent, I

find it really hard to remember not to eat meat, but I

managed to remember on Ash Wednesday and today.

Did you ask Fr. Bob if Enrique can be excused from

fasting..it doesn't seem right that he should have to

be so upset that he does make himself sick...it

specifically says *healthy Catholics over the age of

fourteen*..since Fr. Bob is aware of Enrique's

situtation..maybe he can excuse him.

Oh, and you are anything but a bad mama, Salli!

Mimi

--- bunnytiner wrote:

> Today is the first Friday of Lent. Catholics over

> the age of fourteen are supposed to fast on Fridays

> in Lent, which basically means no meat and a reduced

> amount for other meals.

>

> Last night I said vaguely to Enrique, " I guess I'll

> make that Chicken Cacciatore tomorrow. " His eyes

> widened with horror, " But, " he said anxiously, " It

> is a Friday in Lent! " I had forgotten. " Oops! " I

> said, " I guess I will just make that grilled fish

> and mashed potatoes, and we will have Chicken

> Cacciatore on Saturday. " " Does fish count as meat? "

> he queried.

>

> Fortunately, " No, " I reminded him, " That is where

> all that stuff about fish on Fridays comes from.

> People used to do it all year -- some still do --

> but the Church only requires you to do it during

> Lent nowadays. " End of discussion.

>

> This morning, I had a conference with Putter's

> teacher about next year's school placement and then

> I had to rush home because , the autism

> consultant for the county school districts, was

> coming over to meet with Enrique as she does every

> Friday. Last Friday she drove Enrique to the

> parking lot of the high school to sit for a few

> moments to try to desensitize him from his bad

> experiences last fall. Today she planned to do the

> same thing and have him meet with the special ed

> teacher there who would be good resource for

> Enrique.

>

> I knew Enrique would be uncomfortable with this trip

> -- he was stressing out about it all week -- and so,

> in an effort to do something pleasant for him, I

> stopped off at Mc's to buy him his favorite

> Bacon Egg and Cheese breakfast bagel to perk him up

> a bit.

>

> Silly mama! Witless mama! It's a Friday in Lent!

> Here I was planning to make fish for dinner and

> totally forgetting about breakfast!

>

> Naturally Enrique did not forget. He was horrified.

> I was horrified too as I instantly saw what an

> impasse I had placed him in. Not for nothing do they

> say that the road to Hell is paved with good

> intentions (though it seems very unfair when you are

> truly being well-intentioned). Enrique desperately

> wanted the breakfast. He desperately did not,

> perhaps could not, break Lenten regulations. He was

> really in agony.

>

> I offered to fry up some eggs and mushrooms which he

> would normally find a very fine breakfast, but he

> said " No. " All he wanted was the breakfast bagel.

> And what would we do with the breakfast bagel if he

> did not eat it? We couldn't just throw it away!

> That would be wasteful and wrong.

>

> " Then eat it, " I said, " And confess it afterwards. "

> But that struck him as a wicked idea, to think that

> you could consciously do what you knew to be wrong

> and just confess it afterwards. I had to admit he

> had a point. Probably he also did not want to have

> to leave the house for confession.

>

> As we debated, I noticed that Enrique obviously was

> unwell. He was very congested and coughy and he

> clearly felt miserable. " You're sick, " I pointed

> out, " Lenten rules do not apply to the sick. "

> " But, " he asked urgently, " Am I sick enough? I feel

> terrible, but is it enough? "

>

> I had no idea. And I admit that I would normally

> fast despite a cold. Enrique knew nothing of any

> exceptions to the rules. Rules are rules and they

> need no exceptions in their rule-like perfection.

>

> arrived. Enrique went into his bedroom and

> got on his bed and refused to see her.

>

> knows Asperger Syndrome very well indeed. I

> explained the situation to her and she fully

> understood what a horrible dilemma he was in. She

> helped me search through various Catholic books

> while I thumbed anxiously through the Catechism and

> Enrique lay moaning on his bed.

>

> " You know, " I called to Enrique in the next room,

> while and I searched the books, " You used to

> have to fast all through Lent, not just on Ash

> Wednesdays and Fridays. " " I know, " responded

> Enrique's snuffly voice, " But only if you were over

> 21. "

>

> I suggested that since the whole situation was such

> agony for him, he should consider it a penance and

> eat the bagel. He sat up in bed. He looked at me.

> " I don't follow your train of thought, " he said. I

> explained again. " I don't see, " said Enrique

> firmly, " How sinning can be used as a penance. "

>

> Well, he had me there.

>

> and I found nothing useful in any catechisms

> though we found nothing against eating meat when ill

> on fast days. Enrique, from his bed, said, " Can't

> you call a priest or something? "

>

> So I called Fr. Bob at our church and explained the

> situation, leaving out Asperger Syndrome (which I

> think he already knows Enrique has anyway) but

> saying that Enrique was a bit rigid in his approach

> sometimes. Fr. Bob said, " Absolutely. If he is

> sick, he can eat meat today. " I thanked him and

> gave Enrique the good news.

>

> He ate his bagel. He went with , but the

> special ed teacher was no longer there because they

> arrived later than planned.

>

> Oh, well, there is always next week.

>

> Salli

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> And, um, why didn't you just take the bacon off?

>

Silly Sara! If he took the bacon off then it wouldn't be a bacon, egg and

cheese bagel! It would just be an egg and cheese bagel and Enrique does not

eat such things.

Salli

[Guest guest]

What a delightful (if frustrating) story!

BTW, what IS the deal with fish? Why is it ok, anyway? I used to LOVE going to

my best friend's house on Friday's -- they always ordered fish and chips from

the best shop in town...

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

>>BTW, what IS the deal with fish? Why is it ok, anyway?

I forget the exact wording of the verse <gasp! me??> but it's something

about if it crawls on the land or flies in the air, it's meat. But not if

it swims in the water. So fish are OK. I have heard that some people eat

aquatic mammals like beaver too & the Church has okayed this.

-Sara the Convert who appreciated this story fully.

[Guest guest]

Give a man a fish and he'll eat for a day, teach him to fish and he'll eat

for a lifetime.

somethin' like that, right Salli? ?

Penny

Re: Lenten Regulations, AS, and BAD MAMAS!

What a delightful (if frustrating) story!

BTW, what IS the deal with fish? Why is it ok, anyway? I used to LOVE

going to my best friend's house on Friday's -- they always ordered fish and

chips from the best shop in town...

Jacquie

[Guest guest]

> What a delightful (if frustrating) story!

>

> BTW, what IS the deal with fish? Why is it ok, anyway? I used to

LOVE going to my best friend's house on Friday's -- they always

ordered fish and chips from the best shop in town...

>

> Jacquie

Because you can't eat meat (turkey, chicken, cow) but you can have

seafood, (fish, tuna, etc)

Kerri

[Guest guest]

> Because you can't eat meat (turkey, chicken, cow) but you can have

> seafood, (fish, tuna, etc)

>

> Kerri

I know that...but WHY? Why isn't fish classified as meat, is what I'm

wondering...some people say it's because fish don't bleed (don't they?) but I

want to know the real answer!

Jacquie the ever-inquisitive

[Guest guest]

>

> > Because you can't eat meat (turkey, chicken, cow) but you can

have

> > seafood, (fish, tuna, etc)

> >

> > Kerri

>

>

> I know that...but WHY? Why isn't fish classified as meat, is what

I'm wondering...some people say it's because fish don't bleed (don't

they?) but I want to know the real answer!

>

> Jacquie the ever-inquisitive

Why - because We're told to that's why LOL!!!

ok, ok, I don't recall (stupid convert) so I'll look it up, and if

Salli doesn't come on with the answer, I'll try to find out!!

Kerri