Guest guest Posted March 5, 2010 Report Share Posted March 5, 2010 The Vest, whether it be Hill-Rom or Electromed are billed under the same code, so both are billed to the insurance companies at the same price. There are however a few payers who have negotiated different rates. Hi Jackie, funny thing about email addresses, gives no clues as to location... yes, I live in Far North Qld (not always!) & was appointed as Resp 'consumer' (horrible description for someone requiring services!) rep in Nov last year. Whereabouts are you? It took ages to find an agent for the Hill-Rom Vest - is $18000. So, $13000 is looking a whole lot better. As I'm making do with any kind of machine that will shake or rattle me to get secretions out, and even IV + neb abx don't 'fix' me anymore, only reduce 'bacterial load' every 3-4 months, keeping the stuff up and out is the only way I'm going to have a life of any quality. I don't have insurance but would pay for a vest as long as I could give it a try-out first, especially at that kind of price!! Who are distributors in Australia? Could you please send info and contact - pref email as STD ph calls cost me heaps... cheers, Joy Consumer Representative Statewide Respiratory Clinical Network endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2010 Report Share Posted March 6, 2010 Hi Joy- just a very quick post-- my implant for pain- is remote controlled-- and the person who comes to re programmed me is an electomed rep-- There are only 2-3 in Australia-- reps-- he even has to travel to and from NZ. I only see him annually- BUT am about to have an appt made ASAP as my batteries in body have become dislodged- and I am not happy to have the operation to reset if the damn thing isn,t working. We have tried over and over to get working with the remote control to no avail- so to reset in my body - my side and my spinal column-- the repp needs to be onsite to do the programming- so we have to arrange for a time firstly he is in Oz, then when he can be in Bris and arrange surgery around him- not around the surgeons. Quite ridiculous but that's how it works-- maybe same with the Vest. BUT of course the vest once purchased isn't reliant on a rep coming to tune you in etc-- sorry somethings just are laughable aren't they- golly glad I can have a little laugh again. Joy at least being in your rep position- you should have more chance at asking those docs in the know all about such things as the vest- maybe you can start a petition to get a service running here or that specialist hospitals can purchase or rotary etc can and hire out like they used to do for nebulisers. I realise they are expensive- but that's because no one else seems to have them-- worth a try. Sure you would get a lot of takers in Aus. Sandy Hugs, Sandy Attachment: vcard [not shown] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 hi Sandy,been online now 2nd time today.... but just quickly, no-one seems interested to be bothered least of all the Statewide Respiratory Clinical Networks - all they seem to be able see or hear is COPD COPD COPD.... ironic isn't it, if THEY won't sit up, then where else is to go to?? Certainly if you know people with resp probs then I can send them info...It sounds terrible to have an implant to relieve pain that causes more by surgical intervention, it just sounds so try awful !am really tired, must away...hope your batteries get fixed up soon, omg what a store of wise-cracks in that one, hope you don't mind!!! feeling run down lately? yeah me batteries are flat - yep, REALLY!!!cheers, Happy breathing JJoy -- -- "Wealth is nothing, position is nothing, fame is nothing.Who you become inside is everything.What happens to you is not as important as how you react to what happens." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Hello Norma, You say you USED to get calls for the # of hours used, after how long did they stop calling? My son has had the vest since Oct '09 and they have called several x to ck on the hours usage. They don't call u anymore, or you don't use it anymore?? Did it stop working for you?? Good to know that people can get it thru Medicare and I suppose Medicaid if they are under-what is it?-63 yrs of age! We were told that our private ins company would be billed and Hil-Rom would let us know if Cigna balked at the fee. I guess they have decided to go ahead and pay for it, since it's been almost 6mos now and no one has come to our door to collect it!! Thank God! Please let me know if you still use the vest or if it no longer works well for you. Do you have saccular or cylindrical bronchiectasis? Thanks, e To: bronchiectasis Sent: Fri, March 5, 2010 11:28:06 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest I got the Vest from Hill-Rom in 2003. Medicare and my supplemental insurance paid for it. The first few months they called me to check the number of hours used. I don't know if they still do that. Norma From: kistine Brodie <kbro_d66yahoo (DOT) com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:03:38 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Yes I can tell you that the Hil-Rom Vest is well over $13,000!! It's a major appliance, believe me! It costs more than my Volvo did in 2002!!! Really worth it, though. I wonder if you could just find a resp therapy clinic or an ER that has them and you could use theirs' till you can find out if you get one thru medicare or gov't aid of somesort. Just a thought, I wouldn't even consider saying anything, except that this vest has made such a vastdifference in my son's life. From: Ann Woolsey <maryannwoolsey@ yahoo.com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:38:39 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest The cost of either vest is exhorbitant. I wonder if docs could write a 'script for us to see Respiratory Therapist to try one on for effects on bronch. Hi Jackie, funny thing about email addresses, gives no clues as to location... yes, I live in Far North Qld (not always!) & was appointed as Resp 'consumer' (horrible description for someone requiring services!) rep in Nov last year. Whereabouts are you? It took ages to find an agent for the Hill-Rom Vest - is $18000. So, $13000 is looking a whole lot better. As I'm making do with any kind of machine that will shake or rattle me to get secretions out, and even IV + neb abx don't 'fix' me anymore, only reduce 'bacterial load' every 3-4 months, keeping the stuff up and out is the only way I'm going to have a life of any quality. I don't have insurance but would pay for a vest as long as I could give it a try-out first, especially at that kind of price!! Who are distributors in Australia? Could you please send info and contact - pref email as STD ph calls cost me heaps... cheers, Joy Consumer Representative Statewide Respiratory Clinical Network endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Hi e, I still use the vest, and it works for me. When I first started using it, they called me every few months to check on the hours I had used it. After that time, they never have. I would think that Medicare would rather pay for the vest than the cost of frequent hospitalizations from infections. I have never asked my pulmonologist what type of bronchiectasis I have. If you have not heard anything about payment, they most likely have approved it. Norma To: bronchiectasis Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:00:20 AMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Hello Norma, You say you USED to get calls for the # of hours used, after how long did they stop calling? My son has had the vest since Oct '09 and they have called several x to ck on the hours usage. They don't call u anymore, or you don't use it anymore?? Did it stop working for you?? Good to know that people can get it thru Medicare and I suppose Medicaid if they are under-what is it?-63 yrs of age! We were told that our private ins company would be billed and Hil-Rom would let us know if Cigna balked at the fee. I guess they have decided to go ahead and pay for it, since it's been almost 6mos now and no one has come to our door to collect it!! Thank God! Please let me know if you still use the vest or if it no longer works well for you. Do you have saccular or cylindrical bronchiectasis? Thanks, e From: Norma Henry <3norma-henry@ sbcglobal. net>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, March 5, 2010 11:28:06 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest I got the Vest from Hill-Rom in 2003. Medicare and my supplemental insurance paid for it. The first few months they called me to check the number of hours used. I don't know if they still do that. Norma From: kistine Brodie <kbro_d66yahoo (DOT) com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:03:38 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Yes I can tell you that the Hil-Rom Vest is well over $13,000!! It's a major appliance, believe me! It costs more than my Volvo did in 2002!!! Really worth it, though. I wonder if you could just find a resp therapy clinic or an ER that has them and you could use theirs' till you can find out if you get one thru medicare or gov't aid of somesort. Just a thought, I wouldn't even consider saying anything, except that this vest has made such a vastdifference in my son's life. From: Ann Woolsey <maryannwoolsey@ yahoo.com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:38:39 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest The cost of either vest is exhorbitant. I wonder if docs could write a 'script for us to see Respiratory Therapist to try one on for effects on bronch. Hi Jackie, funny thing about email addresses, gives no clues as to location... yes, I live in Far North Qld (not always!) & was appointed as Resp 'consumer' (horrible description for someone requiring services!) rep in Nov last year. Whereabouts are you? It took ages to find an agent for the Hill-Rom Vest - is $18000. So, $13000 is looking a whole lot better. As I'm making do with any kind of machine that will shake or rattle me to get secretions out, and even IV + neb abx don't 'fix' me anymore, only reduce 'bacterial load' every 3-4 months, keeping the stuff up and out is the only way I'm going to have a life of any quality. I don't have insurance but would pay for a vest as long as I could give it a try-out first, especially at that kind of price!! Who are distributors in Australia? Could you please send info and contact - pref email as STD ph calls cost me heaps... cheers, Joy Consumer Representative Statewide Respiratory Clinical Network endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 DOES ANYONE KNOW IF FOR ANY REASON OR IF WORSENING STAGES OF BRONCH, THAT THE "VEST" - ANY MODEL - DOES NOT WORK?? ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH OSTEOPOROSIS (ie fractures) 0R OSTEO-ARTHRITIS ETC ??joy Happy breathing JJoy -- -- "Wealth is nothing, position is nothing, fame is nothing.Who you become inside is everything.What happens to you is not as important as how you react to what happens." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Hello Norma! You know how it is, you get a dx like this and you start looking @ every site on-line that holds any facts on bronchiectasis. While digging real deep into a medical website, one day, I came across a stat that stated if you have bronchiectasis, a CT scan will confirm which one you have. Apparently, cylindrical is curable if caught early and treated aggressively. Saccular, I guess not so lucky. Sam, our son, has, according to Mayo Clinic, the cylindrical disease. He is being treated w/ the Vest and pulmozyme in the neb. It has just increased in price from $950.00 per month to (no kidding) $2263.00 per month!!!! That's about a 150% increase! He also does a prophylactic anti-biotic on Mon-Wed-Fri. This is the way Mayo does it, so we are following their lead. We live in Orlando, Fl, so the trip to Rochester, Mn. is not an easy one. Really tough now carrying that Vest along w/us! I am guessing that the next time you have a CT scan done you could ask them to confirm which type you have. Of course, don't schedule a CT scan until your pulmonologist thinks he/she needs to take a closer look @ things inside-they are not the safest tool in the arsonal against bronchiectasis. Thanks for responding- I was concerned that maybe the Vest isonly a temporary fix. Glad to hear it has worked for you for a few years now. Joy wants to know if it would harm someone w/osteoporosis in her ribcage. I would think it would be alot easier on your ribs than that eternal cough we all know and dread! What do you think? Thanks----e To: bronchiectasis Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 5:08:32 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Hi e, I still use the vest, and it works for me. When I first started using it, they called me every few months to check on the hours I had used it. After that time, they never have. I would think that Medicare would rather pay for the vest than the cost of frequent hospitalizations from infections. I have never asked my pulmonologist what type of bronchiectasis I have. If you have not heard anything about payment, they most likely have approved it. Norma From: kistine Brodie <kbro_d66yahoo (DOT) com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 11:00:20 AMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Hello Norma, You say you USED to get calls for the # of hours used, after how long did they stop calling? My son has had the vest since Oct '09 and they have called several x to ck on the hours usage. They don't call u anymore, or you don't use it anymore?? Did it stop working for you?? Good to know that people can get it thru Medicare and I suppose Medicaid if they are under-what is it?-63 yrs of age! We were told that our private ins company would be billed and Hil-Rom would let us know if Cigna balked at the fee. I guess they have decided to go ahead and pay for it, since it's been almost 6mos now and no one has come to our door to collect it!! Thank God! Please let me know if you still use the vest or if it no longer works well for you. Do you have saccular or cylindrical bronchiectasis? Thanks, e From: Norma Henry <3norma-henry@ sbcglobal. net>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, March 5, 2010 11:28:06 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest I got the Vest from Hill-Rom in 2003. Medicare and my supplemental insurance paid for it. The first few months they called me to check the number of hours used. I don't know if they still do that. Norma From: kistine Brodie <kbro_d66yahoo (DOT) com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Fri, March 5, 2010 8:03:38 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Yes I can tell you that the Hil-Rom Vest is well over $13,000!! It's a major appliance, believe me! It costs more than my Volvo did in 2002!!! Really worth it, though. I wonder if you could just find a resp therapy clinic or an ER that has them and you could use theirs' till you can find out if you get one thru medicare or gov't aid of somesort. Just a thought, I wouldn't even consider saying anything, except that this vest has made such a vastdifference in my son's life. From: Ann Woolsey <maryannwoolsey@ yahoo.com>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Wed, March 3, 2010 3:38:39 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest The cost of either vest is exhorbitant. I wonder if docs could write a 'script for us to see Respiratory Therapist to try one on for effects on bronch. Hi Jackie, funny thing about email addresses, gives no clues as to location... yes, I live in Far North Qld (not always!) & was appointed as Resp 'consumer' (horrible description for someone requiring services!) rep in Nov last year. Whereabouts are you? It took ages to find an agent for the Hill-Rom Vest - is $18000. So, $13000 is looking a whole lot better. As I'm making do with any kind of machine that will shake or rattle me to get secretions out, and even IV + neb abx don't 'fix' me anymore, only reduce 'bacterial load' every 3-4 months, keeping the stuff up and out is the only way I'm going to have a life of any quality. I don't have insurance but would pay for a vest as long as I could give it a try-out first, especially at that kind of price!! Who are distributors in Australia? Could you please send info and contact - pref email as STD ph calls cost me heaps... cheers, Joy Consumer Representative Statewide Respiratory Clinical Network endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 Hello Joy! I would think that the Vest is alot more comfortable on osteoporatic ribs than the constant cough. My son had that damned cough for over 4 years before we finally gave up on the 11 specialists he has here in Orlando, Fl. and took him to Rochester, Mn. he started coughing when he was 3. He is now 7 1/2. The vest is fitted to your particular size and they will work carefully to make sre it is not hurting your ribcage. Our biggest problem is that his tubes on the vest keep coming out and he's not strong enough to re-insert them. We have ordered new ones, to no avail. looking fwd to getting that straightened out! You would think that for $13,000.00 they would want to make sure all is in perfect working order!!! Go on Mayo Clinics' website and ck out what they have to say about bronchiectasis and see what they say about cough relief. Good Luck!! e To: bronchiectasis Sent: Mon, March 8, 2010 7:47:17 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest DOES ANYONE KNOW IF FOR ANY REASON OR IF WORSENING STAGES OF BRONCH, THAT THE "VEST" - ANY MODEL - DOES NOT WORK?? ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH OSTEOPOROSIS (ie fractures) 0R OSTEO-ARTHRITIS ETC ?? joy Happy breathing JJoy -- -- "Wealth is nothing, position is nothing, fame is nothing.Who you become inside is everything.What happens to you is not as important as how you react to what happens." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2010 Report Share Posted March 8, 2010 The vest at full speed is comparable to jets in a hot tub. The middle setting is the pressure and if you turn that down to 1 or 2 it should feel a little better. Subject: Re: Smart VestTo: bronchiectasis Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 5:59 PM Hello Joy! I would think that the Vest is alot more comfortable on osteoporatic ribs than the constant cough. My son had that damned cough for over 4 years before we finally gave up on the 11 specialists he has here in Orlando, Fl. and took him to Rochester, Mn. he started coughing when he was 3. He is now 7 1/2. The vest is fitted to your particular size and they will work carefully to make sre it is not hurting your ribcage. Our biggest problem is that his tubes on the vest keep coming out and he's not strong enough to re-insert them. We have ordered new ones, to no avail. looking fwd to getting that straightened out! You would think that for $13,000.00 they would want to make sure all is in perfect working order!!! Go on Mayo Clinics' website and ck out what they have to say about bronchiectasis and see what they say about cough relief. Good Luck!! e From: Joy <endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au>To: bronchiectasis@ yahoogroups. comSent: Mon, March 8, 2010 7:47:17 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest DOES ANYONE KNOW IF FOR ANY REASON OR IF WORSENING STAGES OF BRONCH, THAT THE "VEST" - ANY MODEL - DOES NOT WORK?? ARE THERE ANY PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH OSTEOPOROSIS (ie fractures) 0R OSTEO-ARTHRITIS ETC ?? joy Happy breathing JJoy -- -- "Wealth is nothing, position is nothing, fame is nothing.Who you become inside is everything.What happens to you is not as important as how you react to what happens." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 JOY!! WOW! I am soo sorry that you are having such trouble finding out more info about the vest! So none of your specialists have even heard of the vest? There are 3 different types that Mayo showed us for our son. As far as I know that's it for that type of product. The original company that made it, Hil-Rom, had a falling out ofsorts btwn the CEO and the primary scientist that first came up w/ the vest. So the scientist broke away fromHil-Rom and created a different prototype and got several investors involved to help pay for the production. Apparently, when the final product was done, this scientist was not happy w/ the product. The investors said, "Too bad, we are putting it on the market!" So he left that company and started a 3rd prototype and that's apparently as far as he gotten! He's still w/that 3rd company or recently retired now. Thank God for his inventions, is all I have to say! We tried all 3 types on the day mayo ordered it for Sam. He didn't like the 2ndor the 3rd type @ all. Apparently, that's what is said quite often and it's really driven that original scientistcrazy. Kinda sad, I think.I wonder what happens to the vest that people stop using for whatever reason...?? Maybe I will ck into that @ Mayo. They might know of some used vest website or something. People die everyday, unfortunately. Theysurely don't get buried w/their vest! Would you be interested in finding out about a used vest?I've also read a few times that New Zealand has a large population of broch patients. Maybe ck and see if theyhave access to the vest there. That's alot closer for shipping, etc. I work for an airline and we get 75% off anyshipping we do on Fed Ex. If we can find you a used vest, maybe I could ship to you on Fed EX. Never Know!! Let me know!! Prayers to All eFrom: Joy To: bronchiectasis Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 6:41:09 PMSubject: Re: Smart Vest Hi e,thx for the thumbs up on the Vest - none of my drs or clinicians know of it, so I've had to 'push' it... the biggest question they ask is re osteoporosis, how to know if it really works etc, esp for cost... the hardest part being in far regional Australia is accessing the Vest even for trial, let alone to purchase and cost is about $18000, I don't have private insurance so I would have to purchase it outright - It'smore than the new car I bought last year. For that kind of money I'd hope there'd be good after-sales service (not so likely here), at least several months trial and maybe a payment scheme to pay it off...I did eventually find a distributor for Hill-Rom Vest after many months, a company called BrightSky, but have yet to find same for the 'Smart Vest' which sounds like maybe a little bit cheaper. If US$13000 it'll probably still be around AUD$16,000 + postage.... oh well, can only just keep trying! Joy4038 2770endiandralizzy (DOT) com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2010 Report Share Posted March 12, 2010 Hi Joy, Did the Electromed rep. ever contact you, after I forwarded your email and address to her? Jackie Joy: I just spoke to the Electromed Area Manager (our rep.) Jane Hess, and she's going to do some checking to see if The Smart Vest is indeed distributed in Australia. I told her I'd forward your email on to her. Jackie Hi Joy: I'll call the rep. we have here in NC and see if she can get you the information. We cannot sing enough praises for the product - it does everything it's supposed to do - empty the lungs of the miserable mucus. In fact Barry has it on right now! I could go into a litany of the pluses for The Smart Vest (electromed), but you can find all the info on their site. Were you able to get onto their site http://www.electromed.com/ ? Give me a little time and I'll see if I can get you some info. Jackie Hi Jackie, funny thing about email addresses, gives no clues as to location... yes, I live in Far North Qld (not always!) & was appointed as Resp 'consumer' (horrible description for someone requiring services!) rep in Nov last year. Whereabouts are you? It took ages to find an agent for the Hill-Rom Vest - is $18000. So, $13000 is looking a whole lot better. As I'm making do with any kind of machine that will shake or rattle me to get secretions out, and even IV + neb abx don't 'fix' me anymore, only reduce 'bacterial load' every 3-4 months, keeping the stuff up and out is the only way I'm going to have a life of any quality. I don't have insurance but would pay for a vest as long as I could give it a try-out first, especially at that kind of price!! Who are distributors in Australia? Could you please send info and contact - pref email as STD ph calls cost me heaps... cheers, Joy Consumer Representative Statewide Respiratory Clinical Network endiandra@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 yes, I recalled that one, which was why I asked. I have osteo arthritis through whole spine so have enough pain already, but coughing and having to force cough makes pain much worse - devil's and deep blue seas! not easy trying to get hold of one here, such a backward place in many ways,cheers Joy4038 2770endiandra@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2010 Report Share Posted March 21, 2010 hi Jackie I'm pretty sure I did do the 'contact us' - did same with Hill-Rom, just no replies. Took months before another company distributing the Hill-Rom vest finally contacted me. I gave info re both to my specialist lungy last week, so I hope HE gets somewhere! I had a call this morning, am due to turn up at admissions late morning tomorrow - so much better than 30 hours in ED waiting for a bed, without even a shower... joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 22, 2010 Report Share Posted March 22, 2010 Hi Joy: I'm sending you all the good vibes I can muster for a speedy hospital stay, and hopefully your Pulmonologist will see the wisdom of your using the " Vest " . If the infections can be avoided life is definitely higher quality. Jackie hi JackieI'm pretty sure I did do the 'contact us' - did same with Hill-Rom, just no replies. Took months before another company distributing the Hill-Rom vest finally contacted me. I gave info re both to my specialist lungy last week, so I hope HE gets somewhere!I had a call this morning, am due to turn up at admissions late morning tomorrow - so much better than 30 hours in ED waiting for a bed, without even a shower... joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2010 Report Share Posted April 4, 2010 hi Jackie, thx for your sending the good vibes - I had the best time I've ever had while in hospital, didn't even need sleeping tabs once, first time ever.... it's not so much docs etc not wanting to use the vest.... there just aren't any around!! cheers, joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 I still find this incredible since the world is now so connected by the Internet and other media. I agree with those who think that the Vest just might be worth any cost for you to have Joy. I really do; especially with your inability to get physical therapy for percussion and generally weakened condition from years of coughing and infections keeping you from clearing your lungs adequately. Can't take any money with us, so might as well use it to make life better for yourself! Easier said than done, of course, but worth it maybe. Kay Re: Smart Vest hi Jackie,thx for your sending the good vibes - I had the best time I've ever had while in hospital, didn't even need sleeping tabs once, first time ever....it's not so much docs etc not wanting to use the vest.... there just aren't any around!!cheers,joy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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