Re: Re: Let's stir the pot, here..coconut oil?

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In a message dated 7/14/03 9:52:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, usns@...

writes:

> > I am afraid of it, to be honest.. But if my T3 is low, I will

> order it online and begin to self-treat. I have waited seven long

> years to feel better.

>

> Thanks for being honest. Can you tell us what you are afraid of??

>

> Janie

>

>

1-I'm afraid of getting a conterfeit/inferior product on line, particularly

from Africa.

2- Having a heart attack even though I have had Holter monitor, Thalium

stress test, sonogram, ad nauseum All checked out ok-

3-Not finding the right dose

4-self medicating in general, not knowing what I am doing

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Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

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In a message dated 7/14/03 9:54:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, usns@...

writes:

> By the way, why did you put coconut oil in your subject line? Did I

> misunderstand what you are afraid of??

>

> Janie

>

>

I was going to ask about it in the post but decided against clouding the

issue.

BTW-is it the wonder thyroid food of the 21st century?

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Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

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I would be afraid if I were you also about self medicating because there are so

many lines that cross in our diseases, but I would switch DR.s I have become

the Queen of firing. Why are you self- treating?-

Re: Re: Let's stir the pot, here..coconut

oil?

In a message dated 7/14/03 9:52:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, usns@...

writes:

> > I am afraid of it, to be honest.. But if my T3 is low, I will

> order it online and begin to self-treat. I have waited seven long

> years to feel better.

>

> Thanks for being honest. Can you tell us what you are afraid of??

>

> Janie

>

>

1-I'm afraid of getting a conterfeit/inferior product on line, particularly

from Africa.

2- Having a heart attack even though I have had Holter monitor, Thalium

stress test, sonogram, ad nauseum All checked out ok-

3-Not finding the right dose

4-self medicating in general, not knowing what I am doing

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

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In a message dated 7/14/03 10:47:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> I would be afraid if I were you also about self medicating because there

> are so many lines that cross in our diseases, but I would switch DR.s I have

> become the Queen of firing. Why are you self- treating?-

>

>

Because I am sick and tired of changing doctors and depending on them to

understand correct dosing on top of using T3. I couldn't even get my doc to give

me the test till I stamped my feet and turned blue!

I did get a Top Doc referral off if 's list but she does not have an

availble apt. until late Sept! In the meantime. I wait and wait probably only to

find a " top doc " isn't really all that " tops. "

About my fear regarding natural hormones, my biggest fear is that they won't

work and I will be stuck living like a " zombie " for the rest of my life. Makes

me very, very sad.

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

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In a message dated 7/15/03 1:03:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, usns@...

writes:

> Not sure why you think you would have a heart attack on Armour!

> Since you had so many tests, did you have any reason to do so?? Is

> there a family history of heart problems?? The T3 in Armour can

> aggravate problems already there, but a doc can monitor that. I have

> MVP. When I first starting taking Armour, and with each subsequent

> raise of the dosage, I would experience more palps than normal. But

> they went away after a week each time.

>

I did have problems with heart racing, still do at times. Cardiologist said

that they really cannot find any reason for it except that sometimes the

electrical impulses get " jammed " . He said that he could put me on beta blockers,

but

advised against it unless the palps became debilitating. I chose not to.

I started Effexor shortly after and the palps stopped for the most part. I

didn't realize that they were from food allergies/sinus meds. Today I listen mu

ch more closely to my body.

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (350 mg. from 450 mg.

07/14/03) Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

[Guest guest]

Have you contacted the Broda Foundation and asked them for a DR in your

area? Go to the about.com list in you area and see if they have a current list.

I had bad luck with every DR off the list. They all gave me Synthyroid. Today is

day 1 Armour for me. By the way, I pushed and got no where except frustrated

with closed DR.s.

Re: Re: Let's stir the pot, here..coconut

oil?

In a message dated 7/14/03 10:47:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jamyrogers@... writes:

> I would be afraid if I were you also about self medicating because there

> are so many lines that cross in our diseases, but I would switch DR.s I

have

> become the Queen of firing. Why are you self- treating?-

>

>

Because I am sick and tired of changing doctors and depending on them to

understand correct dosing on top of using T3. I couldn't even get my doc to

give

me the test till I stamped my feet and turned blue!

I did get a Top Doc referral off if 's list but she does not have an

availble apt. until late Sept! In the meantime. I wait and wait probably only

to

find a " top doc " isn't really all that " tops. "

About my fear regarding natural hormones, my biggest fear is that they won't

work and I will be stuck living like a " zombie " for the rest of my life. Makes

me very, very sad.

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

[Guest guest]

I so agree with Janie, but I think one of the most overlooked thyroid

problems is adrenal, since adequate cortisol is needed to get thyroid

hormone into cells (resistance), and to convert T4 to T3. Cortisol (cortef)

is safe and effective at low doses, and is probably THE crucial hormone for

autoimmune diseases. I base that on the fact that Dr. Lee says progesterone

cream cures autoimmune diseases in his practice/experience, and progesterone

is a cortisol precurser.

And I will say that I think I was as sick as Janie, near death, and now I

am thriving on Armour and adrenal hormones.

Gracia

>

> As far as your fears that Armour won't work, I have no met ANYONE

> who was a sick, sick as I was. Words can't describe how AWFUL I felt

> with each episode over those 17 years, and how AWFUL I got

> consistantly the past year before I finally figured it out. And

> Armour worked fabulous for me. I have also had to supplement with

> testosterone and iron to complete the mix.

>

> When Armour hasn't seemed to work well for a few, it's usually

> because they simply aren't taking enough and need to increase! For a

> small minority, it's because they have hormone resistance and need

> to add large amounts of T3 to the Armour. For a few, it's because

> they have adrenal issues which need to be corrected.

>

> What I am curious about is why you feel you may need Armour AND

> Cytomel. Do you have hormone resistance? Have you done labs to show

> this? Basically, the only folks who do both are those who have been

> on Armour alone, (or synthetic and huge doses of Cytomel) and found

> out via labs that no matter how much Armour (or above) they took,

> their T3 was not getting high enough.

>

> What were your latest labs and ranges, and what meds had you been on

> to create those lab numbers? What are you taking now and what amount?

>

> Janie

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

And low adrenals.

Gracia

> I started Effexor shortly after and the palps stopped for the most part. I

> didn't realize that they were from food allergies/sinus meds. Today I

listen mu

> ch more closely to my body.

>

>

> Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

> Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

> Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

> Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

> Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi

Comp.(liquid),

>

> I have added:

> Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

> Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

> 3,000 mg. Vitamin C

>

> Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

> Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (350 mg. from 450 mg.

> 07/14/03) Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/03 9:43:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, usns@...

writes:

> What I am curious about is why you feel you may need Armour AND

> Cytomel. Do you have hormone resistance? Have you done labs to show

> this? Basically, the only folks who do both are those who have been

> on Armour alone, (or synthetic and huge doses of Cytomel) and found

> out via labs that no matter how much Armour (or above) they took,

> their T3 was not getting high enough.

> What were your latest labs and ranges, and what meds had you been on

> to create those lab numbers? What are you taking now and what amount?

Hi Janie-

I am currently on 137mcg of Levothyroid, no Cytomel.Look at signature line

for other drugs I am taking. I was on Synthroid when first diagnosed 7 years

ago. Free T3 taken with another whole thyroid panel on 07/10. I called this

afternoon for the results and am waiting for a return call.

Current thyroid panel as of 06/03:

T3 uptake In range-28.2 Reference 22.0-35.0

T4 Free calculated 2.88

1.53-3.85

T4 Total 10.2

4.5-12.0

TSH 1.28

0.40-5.50

Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

It means a lot.

Warmly,

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)

[Guest guest]

I think you are doing a great job of figuring stuff out. It can be so

hard and confusing and then some of the fog lifts, and most of the time we

realize we are not well served by the medical powers that be. have you

read any of the good thyroid books? I like Broda , Brownstein

and Durrant Peatfield MD.

Gracia

> Thank you so much for your time and consideration.

> It means a lot.

> Warmly,

> Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

> Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

> Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

> Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

> Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi

Comp.(liquid),

>

> I have added:

> Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

> Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

> 3,000 mg. Vitamin C

>

> Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

> Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450

> mg.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high

cholesterol)

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 7/15/03 6:59:57 PM Eastern Daylight Time, circe@...

writes:

> I think you are doing a great job of figuring stuff out. It can be

> so

> hard and confusing and then some of the fog lifts, and most of the time we

> realize we are not well served by the medical powers that be. have you

> read any of the good thyroid books? I like Broda , Brownstein

> and Durrant Peatfield MD.

> Gracia

>

I have read 's " Living Well With Hypothyroidism " and " Tired of Being

Tired " as well researching.

I am interested in Dr. Lowe and would like to get one of his books too.

Dairy, Soy & Gluten Free

Elimination diet for 60 days 07/01/2003

Nordic Naturals ProEFA omega-3 fish oil and organic borage oil, Natural

Creations Nutriplenish GI, Natural Creations Enterobiotic Plus, Natural

Creations

Liver Gallbladder HP (homeopathic) and Natural Creations Dandi Comp.(liquid),

I have added:

Solgar Advanced Probiotics,

Naturbiotics Organic Rice Protein powder ,

3,000 mg. Vitamin C

Drugs I have detoxed from: Wellbutrin and Elavil

Drugs I am working toward detoxing from: Effexor (every day, 450 m

g.depression), Provigil (as needed 200 mg. fatigue) Zocor (high cholesterol)