RE: All members - new moderator

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Carol wrote:

<< On this other list a list rule is not to post anything that doesn't have

scientific data to back it up, I think that should be here too, as it scares

and confuses new diabetics when inaccurate and false info on diabetes is

touted as fact, this is not fact. >>

Carol, shame on you! You never even bothered to look at all those websites!

They are studies by groups working under the auspices of the American

Diabetes Association. I'm disappointed in you.

Susie

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" Susie M. " wrote:

Carol wrote:

<< On this other list a list rule is not to post anything that doesn't have

scientific data to back it up, I think that should be here too, as it scares

and confuses new diabetics when inaccurate and false info on diabetes is

touted as fact, this is not fact. >>

Carol, shame on you! You never even bothered to look at all those websites!

They are studies by groups working under the auspices of the American

Diabetes Association. I'm disappointed in you.

Susie

I realize by this statement you are looking to start trouble again. So here

goes.

No, shame on you, you have been told on that list by some of the techies and Dr

rolla these are not clinical evidence, even Dave told you this. I suggest you re

read the links you sent, and tell us where the scientific proof is, it is no

more than the supposed " proof " that goes on and on about artificial sweetners,

no difference.

I suggest you watch what you say in posts as you have no way of knowing what I

read or don't read, I repeat it is not scientific clincial proof.

All the data you had vicki post on Dr Rollas list also is false, as you were

told that garbage about children drinking cows milk, you were told on list that

it has actually been disproven.

I notice all you say is shame on me for not reading you links? LOL doesn't

matter if no one reads it, its all garbage. I suggest you refrain from posting

non scientifically proven statements or so called studies, Dr Rolla will not put

up with it. He just did that a couple weeks ago with a poster thats been there

for years, they won't put up with troublemakers. Its a very technical list,

meaning proven theories and studies, that not stating fact when it isn't.

Apparantly you can do what you want on this list, because no one knows any

better, but you are doing new diabetics a great injustice, and you are not a dr,

not even a nurse, you go by solely what you read on the internet, that is very

foolish.

Of course, JMHO

Have a nice day, hope you feel better, hope you're on an ace inhibitor, thats

why I refuse to take beta blockers, but thats a whole different ballpark.

carol

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[Guest guest]

Dear Carol, we apparently no longer have a moderator, for if we did, surely

she would have responded to your unfounded attack. Present proof that the

scientific studies I provided links to are not actually scientific. Please

note all the references to other published studies, all neatly numbered. You

are way out of line. You wrote:

<< I notice all you say is shame on me for not reading you links? LOL

doesn't matter if no one reads it, its all garbage. I suggest you refrain

from posting non scientifically proven statements or so called studies >>

Susie

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" Susie M. " wrote:

Dear Carol, we apparently no longer have a moderator, for if we did, surely

she would have responded to your unfounded attack. Present proof that the

scientific studies I provided links to are not actually scientific. Please

note all the references to other published studies, all neatly numbered. You

are way out of line. You wrote:

<< I notice all you say is shame on me for not reading you links? LOL

doesn't matter if no one reads it, its all garbage. I suggest you refrain

from posting non scientifically proven statements or so called studies >>

Susie>>

You made the attack, and I feel the moderator would feel the same way. You

attacked me on list , remember? re read you previous post, " I'm ashamed of you?

I'm disappointed " You definitely were looking for a fight.,because you felt I

didn't read your posted links? .So what if your links are numbered, I repeat, if

it isn't proven scientific clincal studies, you should not be posting them.. End

of discussion.I will not be commenting on this again, it is not in the interest

of the list, it is not diabetes related.

You could have posted to me private to begin with and you didn't.

carol

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Carol wrote:

<< So what if your links are numbered, I repeat, if it isn't proven

scientific clincal studies, you should not be posting them.. End of

discussion.I will not be commenting on this again, it is not in the interest

of the list, it is not diabetes related. You could have posted to me private

to begin with and you didn't. >>

Dear Carol, Please tell me how I am to deal with you. I post studies from

the official American Diabetes Association site. These are studies by

professionals that are recognized by the ADA. These are " official " studies

by the major " official " diabetes association in the United States. How more

official do you wish to get? You did not visit the sites. Yet you propagate

the lie that my references are unscientific. You only embarrass yourself by

making statements such as you have. Your posts create disharmony in this

group, are personally offensive to me, at a very troubling time in my own

life, and are unfounded.

Susie

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In a message dated 01-03-07 00:32:18 EST, you write:

<<

All the data you had vicki post on Dr Rollas list also is false, as you were

told that garbage about children drinking cows milk, you were told on list

that it has actually been disproven. >>

Whoa, Carol, let's not get into another thingie here. Susie didn't " have me "

post that material on sulfs; I asked her for it because I knew she'd done the

research. I'm computer impaired enough that I don't know how to do that, and

also my computer is so old and underpowered that it won't pick up a lot of

stuff.

I'm grateful to Susie for all the information she's provided. She's pointed

me -- and many others -- in the right direction. She shouldn't have accused

you of not checking out all those links -- how could she know what you've

checked out -- but also please remember that she been highly stressed, due to

Rob's sister's illness and her own too.

One of the things I value about this is list is the goodwill and spirit of

helpfulness that has generally prevailed. I consider this group " family " and

like family, we tend to squabble now and then. However, some of us have a

lower threshold for that sort of thing. (I do think it has to do with

whether we're from a large or small family)...I'd hate to lose people because

of endless battles over the same thing. And I know that sometimes things

look worse on the internet than the same exchange would be face to face...a

lot is lost.

Can we please try to avoid arguments and get back to the business of helping

each other? Hugs, Vicki

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I regret to say it but this discussion doesn't belong

on the list. When it becomes personal then please use your private e-mail

adresses.

Norgaard

Re: All members - new moderator

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> " Susie M. " wrote:

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> Carol wrote:

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> << On this other list a list rule is not to post anything that doesn't have

> scientific data to back it up, I think that should be here too, as it scares

> and confuses new diabetics when inaccurate and false info on diabetes is

> touted as fact, this is not fact. >>

>

> Carol, shame on you! You never even bothered to look at all those websites!

> They are studies by groups working under the auspices of the American

> Diabetes Association. I'm disappointed in you.

>

> Susie

>

> I realize by this statement you are looking to start trouble again. So here

goes.

>

> No, shame on you, you have been told on that list by some of the techies and

Dr rolla these are not clinical evidence, even Dave told you this. I suggest you

re read the links you sent, and tell us where the scientific proof is, it is no

more than the supposed " proof " that goes on and on about artificial sweetners,

no difference.

>

> I suggest you watch what you say in posts as you have no way of knowing what I

read or don't read, I repeat it is not scientific clincial proof.

>

> All the data you had vicki post on Dr Rollas list also is false, as you were

told that garbage about children drinking cows milk, you were told on list that

it has actually been disproven.

>

> I notice all you say is shame on me for not reading you links? LOL doesn't

matter if no one reads it, its all garbage. I suggest you refrain from posting

non scientifically proven statements or so called studies, Dr Rolla will not put

up with it. He just did that a couple weeks ago with a poster thats been there

for years, they won't put up with troublemakers. Its a very technical list,

meaning proven theories and studies, that not stating fact when it isn't.

>

> Apparantly you can do what you want on this list, because no one knows any

better, but you are doing new diabetics a great injustice, and you are not a dr,

not even a nurse, you go by solely what you read on the internet, that is very

foolish.

>

> Of course, JMHO

>

> Have a nice day, hope you feel better, hope you're on an ace inhibitor, thats

why I refuse to take beta blockers, but thats a whole different ballpark.

>

> carol

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In a message dated 3/7/01 7:34:32 AM Pacific Standard Time, whimsy2@...

writes:

> Can we please try to avoid arguments and get back to the business of

helping

> each other? Hugs, Vicki

>

I think Vicki summed it up nicely!

Just for the record......In the two years since I've been dxed, I've tried

all sorts of eating plans. MODERATION works best for me. I eat carbs (and

lots of fiber) with every meal and in some snacks, but they're mostly low -

moderate GI. (The lower the GI, the more often I eat it!). I respect

everyone's personal choice to control their own DM as they want. I do want

all options posted so that each one of us can tweak and try to find what

works better for us. Some of us have medical teams that work with us and

others may not have supportive drs who take the time to educate us or stay

current. Lists can certainly fill in the gaps there. Many drs appreciate

questioning patients who take responsibilty for their own health. Also, many

of us have other complicated health issues that impacat our DM care. We all

have to do the best we can with what we have.

Also,Teri, I want to publically thank you for all you've done!

Respectfully,

Carol T

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carol wrote:

> Apparantly you can do what you want on this list, because no one knows any

better, but you are doing new diabetics a great injustice, and you are not a dr,

not even a nurse, you go by solely what you read on the internet, that is very

foolish.

>

> Of course, JMHO

I agree Carol. Why, I've even heard that some folks believe what they

see on tv or read in newspapers..

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to Kim and others following this topic:

> As far as I am aware, none of us on this list are doctors and there are no

" Gods " here

no but for a long time I thought Susie came darn near to one

>and I certainly wouldn't look to anyone on this list to save my life.

maybe you wouldn't but several have saved mine

>I would rely on myself and my doctor for that if the need arose.

I tried that and almost died. I grew up with a sister that is Type I

" brittle " and a RN so when I was diagnosed I thought I knew it all. Things

have changed in 50 years and what my doctor knew was even less. Doctors who

do not specialize in diabetes (and some who do) tend to listen to the drug

companies for guidance. Sisters sometimes preach rather than teach. This

for me was almost fatal. Then I found this group. Members like ,

Susie, Tootie, and others got me back on track by giving me the advice to

take control. When I asked to be put on insulin at member urging they were

the ones who helped me understand how to regulate the dosage not the doctor

or the NP.

I haven't been following the list very closely lately but I will agree that

name calling isn't productive. I have followed the " 0 carbers " and found it

doesn't work for me but that doesn't mean they are wrong. We can better

help each other by " suggesting " that a particular medicine or diet might

work better but it is only a suggestion. Not everyone reacts the same to

any particular treatment or method. Each of us needs to find what is right

for his or her self. This group has been for me a lifesaving/changing tool.

Tolerance would be prudent to education;

Carolyn D Kaminski

under control for the moment

Type 2 on Avandia, Glipizide, N & R Insulin as needed

2 minutes to test will add 1 year to your life