I am back..................

[Guest guest]

Hi, everyone. I haven't been able to access my email

at this url, for the past two months. I did something

that resulted in me getting a new email addy on this

yahoo account. Today, I finally discovered how to

delete that addy and return to this one!! I found

almost 800 messages from all of you. Happy day!

My youngest son and his family were with me for a

month, over the holidays. I have never had anyone

living with me for a month, since my children became

adults. By the time they left, I was exhausted!

Physically, and emotionally.

My youngest daughter, estranged herself from me, about

a year ago. While her brother and his family were

staying with me, she invited everyone in the family

over to her place for dinner and a gift exchange, on

Christmas Eve. I was excluded!

I wasn't surprised, but I was deeply hurt. I have

gone through another period of mourning. During this

period, I frankly didn't care what happened with my

diabetes! My bg has been all over the place. I have

c9ontinued to check my bg prior to each meal. But, I

have been sleeping at least 12 hours a day, for two

months. My days and nights are turned around, and

most of the time I only eat two meals a day, then

snack on sweets til bedtime.

I know that I must get serious with my diabetes,

again, but I just flat haven't cared.......until this

past week. I finally decided to write a letter to my

daughter, after receiving a phone message from her

last weekend.

She has had a pattern of banishing me from her life

anytime I fail to live up to her expectations of me.

IMO, her expectations are usually unrealistic! In the

past I have offered to pay for joint counseling, if

she will go. So far, she has refused.

In my letter, I told her that I am afraid to try to

have a relationship with her, until we have joint

counseling. Again, I told her I would pay for it. I

also told her that until that happens, I am unwilling

to try to resume a relationship.

Once I wrote the letter, I began to feel better. I

feel as if I took back my own power. I have never

been able to set boundaries and hold them, with either

of my daughters. All of their lives, since they

became teen agers, when I didn't do what they wanted

me to do, they ran away, called my mother, and she

rescued them. I never knew how to stop her.

For the first time, I was willing to set a boundary,

and now will let the story unfold. I am determined

not to let go of this boundary. I would rather never

have contact again, than to continue the pattern of

being banished from her life, whenever she feels

disappointed in me!

I now feel as if all of the stress has fallen off of

my shoulders. I feel sure I will now be able to get

back on track with my diabetes and bg. I have

returned to a place of caring about learning to take

better care of myself.l

Please forgive me for this lengthy message. I felt a

need to cover what has been going on with me, as I

know it has effected my diabetes. If you are still

reading thank you for hanging in with me. I am

soooooo happy to be back online and connected.

Sheila {:-D

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[Guest guest]

Sheila:

Congrats on finally taking a stand and taking back the power that has held

you down for so long. Remember this list is " family " also and we are always

here for you.

hugs

In a message dated 3/11/01 2:45:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,

crnityckr@... writes:

> Please forgive me for this lengthy message. I felt a

> need to cover what has been going on with me, as I

> know it has effected my diabetes. If you are still

> reading thank you for hanging in with me. I am

> soooooo happy to be back online and connected.

>

> Sheila {:-D

[Guest guest]

Hi, Shelia. Welcome back! Hope you get back in good control really soon.

We have some members now with some complications - not fun. Let us know if

there is anything we can do to help.

Thanks for sharing with us,

Barb

--------

> Hi, everyone. I haven't been able to access my email

> at this url, for the past two months. I did something

> that resulted in me getting a new email addy on this

> yahoo account. Today, I finally discovered how to

> delete that addy and return to this one!! I found

> almost 800 messages from all of you. Happy day!

[Guest guest]

Welcome home, Shelia!!!!

What a trying time you have had, dear. I admire you for what you have

done, and it sounds like you are on the right track for gaining control

over your life.

Instead of trying to get joint counseling, why don't you go yourself,

and try to make sense about the relationship you have with your

daughters? It may help. If there is anything I can do to assist you by

being a " shoulder " for you to vent on, please don't hesitate to write.

All my best to you, Shelia. Don't be a stranger now that you have your

addy problems straightened out!!

Debbie Ames

[Guest guest]

Hi, Sheila, good to hear from you again. Sorry you're having family problems.

Did you know that stress can raise BGs too? Time to be good to yourself.

The schedule you're been keeping (long sleeps, etc.) sounds like depression

to me...are you taking any antidepressants? That may improve too as your BGs

get within more normal range. If you haven't read Dr. Bernstein's Diabetes

Solutions I strongly urge you to do so...it will explain a lot about the

disease and what you can do to gain control of it. And you do know he has a

website, don't you? You can reead excerpts from his book online (and a lot

of other related stuff)...the URL is

www.diabetes-normalsugars.com/

Please try to get your BGs in line. If you don't do it now, longterm out of

control BGs can cause Really Awful Problems that you don't want to hear about

! Hugs, Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-11 02:45:25 EST, you write:

<<

Please forgive me for this lengthy message. I felt a

need to cover what has been going on with me, as I

know it has effected my diabetes. If you are still

reading thank you for hanging in with me. I am

soooooo happy to be back online and connected. >>

[Guest guest]

--- Sheila Clinton- wrote:

>Sheila,

I'm new to this group but wanted to say that my heart

goes out to you even though I don't know the

particulars of your situation with your daughter. I

too have a youngest daughter who is very headstrong

and on and off does not want to speak to me. It's been

that way since she was a teenager. I did go to

counseling by myself and it did help me. One thing I

always remember him telling me is that sometimes when

a child lashes out at a parent it means you are the

one person in the world they feel safe enough to do

that with (it's their own frustrations) and they know

you won't stop loving them. It's kind of a backwards

compliment and not one I would want for a steady diet

but just thinking that, at the worst of times really

helped me. Yes, I too have been a " disappointment " to

her but the good part of that is, it has spurred her

on to attend law school just to show me how much

better she is than me.......I couldn't be happier for

her! HeHe......you would think I planned it that way!

And just one more thought that helps me is something

from the ole' bard himself... " me thinks " she " doeth

protest too much " . I think sometimes the anger comes

from knowing they are more like us than they want to

admit. After all didn't we think our parents were

awful and don't we do a lot of things just like them

now????? The way I look at this stuff now is that all

5 of the kids are grown and living their own lives and

it's time I enjoyed living mine. I have no more time

to waste being anxious, overwrought with fear, and

exhausted. I did that for over 30 years and that is

how I ended up where I am now! Overweight, gray, and

wrinkled........it's enough! Did you see that show

last night on TV?? Women and Stress!!!!!! That really

said it all to me. When my daughter doesn't want to

see me....I just call it an emotional time-out and try

to enjoy the peace!

Hoping your Bgs get under control this next week, the

same as mine. We can do this! Take care of yourself!

Mewing

>

> My youngest daughter, estranged herself from me,

> about

> a year ago. While her brother and his family were

> staying with me, she invited everyone in the family

> over to her place for dinner and a gift exchange, on

> Christmas Eve. I was excluded!

>

> I wasn't surprised, but I was deeply hurt. I have

> gone through another period of mourning.

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[Guest guest]

Re: I am back..................

< sometimes when

a child lashes out at a parent it means you are the

one person in the world they feel safe enough to do

that with (it's their own frustrations) and they know

you won't stop loving them. >

I just wanted to say that I agree with this statement. I also have 5

children. When the youngest one was putting me through " hell on earth " I

asked him WHY????? I do everything for you and your still keep on pushing

and have no regards as to the main and anguish you put me through. His

reply was that nobody else would put up with him and he knew that I loved

him so much that he could vent all of the anger and frustration and I would

still love him. Well, he summed it up just about right. I really didn't

think I could survive all of the pain and expense of getting him out of all

of his " predicaments " but he has finally grown up into one of the finest,

most responsible, loving young men I have ever seen. He's a wonderful son,

husband, father, and to hear his in-laws tell it he's the greatest

son-in-law in the world. Boy! What a turn-around! I am so proud of him.

He's established himself with a big company and he's their " fair-haired

boy " . They consider him to be one of their best employees and he's stuck

with them for 5 years now. So, my advice is to pray for them, keep loving

them, and try to keep your head up. They will finally come to their senses.

Hopefully before we lose ours....... LOL

Hang in there, they will actually turn into PEOPLE!

Tootie

[Guest guest]

Dear Sheila,

I join the rest of the gang in welcoming you back to the fold! We all

fall off the wagon at times, for various reasons. You sound strong

and upbeat in your note. I have faith that this will be the beginning

of a very good time in your life, with improved control over the

Gorilla as well as a new sense of control regarding your family

relationships.

Susie

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-03-12 20:55:06 EST, you write:

<< in my part of the country diabetics

are looked upon as being freaks. >>

What part of the country are you in where diabetics are considered freaks?

Can't even imagine that anyone would do that...especially light of all the

diabetics out there. Anyway, welcome to the list, Gail. Vicki

[Guest guest]

i love reading the notices from you all. just signed

up on the 11th. in my part of the country diabetics

are looked upon as being freaks. the specialist here

could not even diagnose me as type1. was on glucophage

for 2 years when i should have been on insulin.

--- ottercritter@... wrote:

> Dear Sheila,

>

> I join the rest of the gang in welcoming you back to

> the fold! We all

> fall off the wagon at times, for various reasons.

> You sound strong

> and upbeat in your note. I have faith that this will

> be the beginning

> of a very good time in your life, with improved

> control over the

> Gorilla as well as a new sense of control regarding

> your family

> relationships.

>

> Susie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

im in central washington state. the area is mostly

uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have had so

many men ask me if diabetes is catching like aids.

living with people and their ignorance here make for a

very lonely life. lost all my male and female friends

as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes.

--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> In a message dated 01-03-12 20:55:06 EST, you write:

>

> << in my part of the country diabetics

> are looked upon as being freaks. >>

>

> What part of the country are you in where diabetics

> are considered freaks?

> Can't even imagine that anyone would do

> that...especially light of all the

> diabetics out there. Anyway, welcome to the list,

> Gail. Vicki

>

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[Guest guest]

Well, they must have been pretty casual " friends " if they deserted you when

you were diagnosed. If this happened with me, I wouldn't sit by quietly; I'd

try to educate them. I'm pretty public about my diabetes. It seems almost

everyone I know has a friend or family member with diabetes. I was recently

at a quilting weekend...there were about 50 women participating and five of

them were diabetic. I think this probably reflects the number of diabetics

in the general population. PS: I live in Portland, Oregon. Not exactly a

small town but generally in the same area as you. Anyway, again, you've got

friends on this list now, no need to feel lonely. Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-13 07:40:29 EST, you write:

<<

im in central washington state. the area is mostly

uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have had so

many men ask me if diabetes is catching like aids.

living with people and their ignorance here make for a

very lonely life. lost all my male and female friends

as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes. >>

[Guest guest]

Gail also mentioned that her doc mis-diagnosed her. Dear Gail, is there only

one doc in town? Does you insurance limit which doctor you see? Because

there's no reason to stick with a doctor who doesn't listen to you properly,

who mis-diagnoses you and makes you feel worse, not better. Wherever you

live, there's got to be another doctor in the next town. Even in central

Washington. Wenatchee is a pretty good sized town in central

Washington...are you anywhere near there? I bet there's some good doctor

choices there. Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-13 11:45:34 EST, you write:

<<

Hi Everybody,

I live in central WA too. I haven't had the trouble with people like Gail

has. I think she is probably more open about it. I never tell anyone I'm

diabetic until I really like them. >>

[Guest guest]

Gail Owens wrote:

<< in my part of the country diabetics are looked upon as being freaks. the

specialist here could not even diagnose me as type1. was on glucophage for 2

years when i should have been on insulin. >>

Good grief, Gail! What place is this where such a major disease, requiring

great knowledge and attention to good self-management, is so little

understood? You must have gone through hell in those two years, taking a

pill that had no effect on you.

Susie

[Guest guest]

And what's really sad is that those same people consider themselves

intelligent and knowledgeable... and here on the wet side (western

Washington) are the folks who think completely differently. Looking for

answers and looking for solutions, and looking for a good cup of coffee...

Re: Re: I am back..................

im in central washington state. the area is mostly

uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have had so

many men ask me if diabetes is catching like aids.

living with people and their ignorance here make for a

very lonely life. lost all my male and female friends

as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes.

[Guest guest]

it is a total different world over here on the dry

side of the state. i have lost my job, friends and any

chance of dating all because of the ignorance of

people here being afraid of being around a diabetic.

--- Elting wrote:

>

> And what's really sad is that those same people

> consider themselves

> intelligent and knowledgeable... and here on the wet

> side (western

> Washington) are the folks who think completely

> differently. Looking for

> answers and looking for solutions, and looking for a

> good cup of coffee...

>

>

> Re: Re: I am

> back..................

>

> im in central washington state. the area is mostly

> uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have had

> so

> many men ask me if diabetes is catching like aids.

> living with people and their ignorance here make for

> a

> very lonely life. lost all my male and female

> friends

> as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes.

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

there is only one endrocronologist in central

washington and its 3-4 months between appointmens. i

went 5 times to the university of wa but its to far

for regular medical care.

--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> Gail also mentioned that her doc mis-diagnosed her.

> Dear Gail, is there only

> one doc in town? Does you insurance limit which

> doctor you see? Because

> there's no reason to stick with a doctor who doesn't

> listen to you properly,

> who mis-diagnoses you and makes you feel worse, not

> better. Wherever you

> live, there's got to be another doctor in the next

> town. Even in central

> Washington. Wenatchee is a pretty good sized town

> in central

> Washington...are you anywhere near there? I bet

> there's some good doctor

> choices there. Vicki

>

> In a message dated 01-03-13 11:45:34 EST, you write:

>

> <<

> Hi Everybody,

> I live in central WA too. I haven't had the

> trouble with people like Gail

> has. I think she is probably more open about it. I

> never tell anyone I'm

> diabetic until I really like them. >>

>

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[Guest guest]

thanks joan. here in yakima i was even fired from a

job because i went 5 hrs between breaks and asked for

a min to go take my meds. was marched out the door and

was fired. ignorant people again.

--- Joan ston wrote:

> Hi Everybody,

> I live in central WA too. I haven't had the trouble

> with people like Gail

> has. I think she is probably more open about it. I

> never tell anyone I'm

> diabetic until I really like them. (for me, it's

> none of anybody's business

> until I like them enough) By that time they usually

> really like me and it

> doesn't matter. Some are quite surprised, maybe

> that's an education too.

> smile.

>

> Of course I been diabetic for 35 years (I was 11)so

> maybe I've learned not

> to say anything until I'm sure of the reception. I

> forget what it was like

> at the beginning....geez, am I THAT old?

>

> joan >^^< t1

>

>

> >From: whimsy2@...

> >Reply-To: diabetes_int

> >To: diabetes_int

> >Subject: Re: Re: I am

> back..................

> >Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2001 09:36:15 EST

> >

> >Well, they must have been pretty casual " friends "

> if they deserted you when

> >you were diagnosed. If this happened with me, I

> wouldn't sit by quietly;

> >I'd

> >try to educate them. I'm pretty public about my

> diabetes. It seems almost

> >everyone I know has a friend or family member with

> diabetes. I was

> >recently

> >at a quilting weekend...there were about 50 women

> participating and five of

> >them were diabetic. I think this probably reflects

> the number of diabetics

> >in the general population. PS: I live in Portland,

> Oregon. Not exactly a

> >small town but generally in the same area as you.

> Anyway, again, you've got

> >friends on this list now, no need to feel lonely.

> Vicki

> >

> >In a message dated 01-03-13 07:40:29 EST, you

> write:

> >

> ><<

> > im in central washington state. the area is

> mostly

> > uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have

> had so

> > many men ask me if diabetes is catching like

> aids.

> > living with people and their ignorance here make

> for a

> > very lonely life. lost all my male and female

> friends

> > as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes. >>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

yakima is now 85% hispanic and the few whites here are

high school dropouts. the whole area is very

uneducated. i am in college and dont have that problem

with friends at school just in the general population

of yakima.

--- whimsy2@... wrote:

> Well, they must have been pretty casual " friends " if

> they deserted you when

> you were diagnosed. If this happened with me, I

> wouldn't sit by quietly; I'd

> try to educate them. I'm pretty public about my

> diabetes. It seems almost

> everyone I know has a friend or family member with

> diabetes. I was recently

> at a quilting weekend...there were about 50 women

> participating and five of

> them were diabetic. I think this probably reflects

> the number of diabetics

> in the general population. PS: I live in Portland,

> Oregon. Not exactly a

> small town but generally in the same area as you.

> Anyway, again, you've got

> friends on this list now, no need to feel lonely.

> Vicki

>

> In a message dated 01-03-13 07:40:29 EST, you write:

>

> <<

> im in central washington state. the area is mostly

> uneducated whites and illegal hispanics. i have had

> so

> many men ask me if diabetes is catching like aids.

> living with people and their ignorance here make

> for a

> very lonely life. lost all my male and female

> friends

> as soon as i was diagnosed with diabetes. >>

>

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[Guest guest]

Gail wrote:

<< there is only one endrocronologist in central washington and its 3-4

months between appointmens >>

You might do fine with an internist. That's who I see. Or you might even be

better off with a G.P. who reads books and pays attention to what his/her

patients say.

Susie

[Guest guest]

i go to a gp the internists here wont see diabetics

--- Susie Muir wrote:

> Gail wrote:

>

> << there is only one endrocronologist in central

> washington and its 3-4

> months between appointmens >>

>

> You might do fine with an internist. That's who I

> see. Or you might even be

> better off with a G.P. who reads books and pays

> attention to what his/her

> patients say.

>

> Susie

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Too bad you can't just pack up and move over here. I've never had a problem

with anyone. So either I'm very lucky or I just have great friends! Many of

them came to visit me when I was in the hospital on diagnosis...

Diagnosed March 1998, born June 1947.

Type 2, diet, exercise, glucophage (2000mg/day)

Initial Blood Glucose - 670

RE: Re: I am back..................

it is a total different world over here on the dry

side of the state. i have lost my job, friends and any

chance of dating all because of the ignorance of

people here being afraid of being around a diabetic.

--- Elting wrote:

>

> And what's really sad is that those same people

> consider themselves

> intelligent and knowledgeable... and here on the wet

> side (western

> Washington) are the folks who think completely

> differently. Looking for

> answers and looking for solutions, and looking for a

> good cup of coffee...

>

>

[Guest guest]

your lucky. my adult children think the type 1 is all

in my head and refuse to believe my drs that im sick.

not even when the top endrocronologist at the

university of washington told my son

--- Elting wrote:

>

> Too bad you can't just pack up and move over here.

> I've never had a problem

> with anyone. So either I'm very lucky or I just have

> great friends! Many of

> them came to visit me when I was in the hospital on

> diagnosis...

>

> Diagnosed March 1998, born June 1947.

> Type 2, diet, exercise, glucophage (2000mg/day)

> Initial Blood Glucose - 670

>

> RE: Re: I am

> back..................

>

> it is a total different world over here on the dry

> side of the state. i have lost my job, friends and

> any

> chance of dating all because of the ignorance of

> people here being afraid of being around a diabetic.

> --- Elting wrote:

> >

> > And what's really sad is that those same people

> > consider themselves

> > intelligent and knowledgeable... and here on the

> wet

> > side (western

> > Washington) are the folks who think completely

> > differently. Looking for

> > answers and looking for solutions, and looking for

> a

> > good cup of coffee...

> >

> >

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 01-03-13 17:56:26 EST, you write:

<< o: diabetes_int

Here in yakima i was even fired from a

job because i went 5 hrs between breaks and asked for

a min to go take my meds. was marched out the door and

was fired. ignorant people again. >>

I don't believe you can be fired for being diabetic, Gail...you might have

legal recourse here. If you can't afford a lawyer, call Legal Aid. Vicki

[Guest guest]

A good internist will do if he/she has a lot of diabetic patients. You can

determine this by phone calls. My own doc (with whom I'm very pleased) is an

internist. Vicki

In a message dated 01-03-13 17:58:27 EST, you write:

<<

there is only one endrocronologist in central

washington and its 3-4 months between appointmens. i

went 5 times to the university of wa but its to far

for regular medical care. >>